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Octoven
Four Pillar Production Dragehund
2
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Posted - 2012.07.20 05:53:00 -
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Thank you Fozzie for saving EVE, time for monopolies to be broke and Robin Hood stealing from the wealthy and giving back to the poor. Thanks for finally putting the market back in the control of the players and not in the control of a few thousand who are good for nothing else but making a living of the tears of the backbone of eve. |
HAMBER BOGAN
House Of Serenity. Unprovoked Aggression
30
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Posted - 2012.07.20 05:58:00 -
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TBH I don't think this "Tech Nerf" is enough.
Having all the isk for a 32k player coalition coming from one source is unhealthy. Having the ability to hold 50% of null sec (in which the majority of Tech resides) as a coalition is also unhealthy.
There are 3 options. 1) CCP Does nothing after this patch, Tech is still worth a lot, CFC still get lots of money. 2) CCP Nerfs Tech and other means of massive amounts of "passive" income. So if you want your alliance to be rich, you need to work hard for it. 3) Take post nerf tech and spread it out throughout null sec, not bunched up in one place.
I personally would like option 3. It would mean that there would be mid sized alliances able to hold tech moons for themselves, have smaller pet/friend alliances and not be kicked into the "bad" regions on null. CFC would loose a lot of their income so they wouldn't be able to sustain their 100% SRP (%150 in some cases) and would weaken the glue between the CFC alliances.
It would also mean Smaller battles, so no 3000 man battles in one region for a month. It would be smaller battles but more regularly and all over the place, not just where the 2 biggest coalitions are.
It will give everyone more of a fair go. Yes, fair is far from what EVE is, but it will still be far from fair, just a little more fair.
What do you guys think? If i get enough likes, Ill refine the idea of spreading tech around eve and put it up in the Assembly Hall + Start nagging the CSM about it until their ears bleed Eve Down Under Australian Eve Fanfest Event Sydney in November https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=115795&find=unread |
Kaycerra
Black Lotus Heavy Industries Ethereal Dawn
1
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Posted - 2012.07.20 06:15:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Louis deGuerre wrote:If this ensure that prices drop so I can afford to PVP again in something other than T1 frigs I love it.
But I just don't get it. It is such a strange solution.
Why not use your PI system (flaws and all) to produce vital moon minerals instead ? That would ensure that minerals are distributed more evenly over the galaxy, are dynamic resources, and give DUST bunnies something meaningful to fight over. This is the first step in our plan to revamp tech 2 production. Changes to how the minerals are obtained will be coming before we're done (although probably not from PI).
Not to be rude, but how could changes come at any time other than before you're done? If they came after you were done, then you wouldn't have been done yet, as you'd have made further changes later.
Also, excited about this, but know that the real solution (Alchemy as is, is not going to come anywhere close to alleviating the bloated price unless it goes a LOT higher), is going to take till at least the winter expansion, if by then, meaning that Otec will have padded their forces with what, 40 more titans, anyhow. =/
A lot of well to do, but like others have outlined, this is going to take forever, and in the meantime will probably do nothing about the real devastating side effect, one power block getting so insanely wealthy off the moongoo blunder, that 0.0 remains stale and uncompetitive. |
Ciar Meara
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
728
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Posted - 2012.07.20 07:41:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:So we are going to kick Technetium in the balls.
And there was much rejoicing!
Mr Bigwinky wrote:Talon Jasra wrote:Because we need more poses. =\ In any case, nice first dev blog Fozzie ;) Actually this is a real point. This depends on the use of POSes which are hugely broken. More broken than tech. If you fix POSes I guarentee you a mantrain-free shower.
Posses are going to get a complete overhaul, CCP claims they are thinking about making them modular, upgradeable and scaleable to full size "cities". I'll be happy if they just make the Dead Horse Pos and then work further on them, forever. - [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg[/img] [yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow] |
TheGunslinger42
Bite Me inc Exhale.
164
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Posted - 2012.07.20 07:44:00 -
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Samuella IV wrote:Why cannot we use POS to harvest moon inside wormhole system ? These moons looks exactly the same.... Where is the sense, realism and logic to it ?
+1 maybe then the hundreds of empty wormhole systems would get a population, and give mroe incentive for people to fight over wormholes that already have residents |
Cynosurza
FCON Aerarium Militare Fidelas Constans
5
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Posted - 2012.07.20 08:01:00 -
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"This is the first step in our plan to revamp tech 2 production. -CCP Fozzie
I remember the "plan to revamp tech 2 production" 1.0. It resulted in tech being very profitable and the market taking a **** for 6 months. Same thing will happen this time, except that alchemy, as many have discovered and voiced in this forum is simply not worth the fuel for the POS to make it.
If you really want to balance things, fix PI or make POSes use less fuel. Then alchemy will be profitable enough to be worth it. Unlike now. |
Dilly Dallyer2
Pestis Inc
1
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Posted - 2012.07.20 08:13:00 -
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One totaly unrelated game mechanic that could also break the Tech monopoly would be to make standings based on player actions, not just a click of a button. Too much of the game is blue to each other. Indiscretions done to an Alliance should not be so easily forgotten. To stop this from being exploited by Awoxres this would need personal, corp and Alliance standings exactly like is done with NPC agents/Corps/Factions. If your personal standings towards an alliance you are in drop to a certain point, you get a warning, if they drop lower you loose all roles, if they drop bellow a set threshold you get a 24 hour warning that you are being automaticaly kicked from your corporation.
END this mass of iveryone being blue. blob warefare needs to be attacked from every direction. |
Haffsol
Froody Guys Spaceships Business
7
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Posted - 2012.07.20 08:20:00 -
[458] - Quote
yes, I've read all this mastodontic uber trolling thread.
That said, and adding I never moon mined in my e-life, I wanna throw my 2 cent in the fuss.
Spreading tech moons or giving to _all the regions_ equal or equivalent benefits is just lame. The concentration of power and highly specialized business should be very welcome because it SHOULD mean more war!! If someone took those benefits with glorious fights or with unglorious exploit, it just means in the first case they have been good at EVE and in the second one that they've been even better. Did the Trojans mourned for ages when Ulisses conquered their town using a wooden horse-shaped gadged?
What is probably wrong with the goons is that they abused of this power, demonstrating they basically own the market and can turn it upside down at their own pleasure and necessity. This is what has happened recently, in the last 6 months at least, when one big problem started having a great relevance in New Eden's everyday life: the never ending inflation at unsustainable levels!
All of you stated and said repeatedly that the issue was very well known, and it had been spotted years ago, but for I don't know which reason, prices have been "under control" so far, increasing but being compensated by the general market trends so basically it was not a problem at all, but for all the envious ones. Now it's no more like that and I'm not able to say exactly why, but I guess the goons would eheh
My very personal idea is that CCP was a bit shocked to see what the power of a single and very little group could do to the market in the recent LP/Factional Warfare "scam". So in other words, I think the goons lost part of their lucent marble and went a bit too far overheating their printing isk machines and this is indeed a problem today.
Could have it been different? Who knows. Will it be anyway different with these announced changes? That's something I really don't know but it will be easy to check: if prices will go down or not.
Too early Fozzie to ask for likes spamming don't you think? One does not simply nomnom thumbs in Mordor |
Ciar Meara
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
728
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Posted - 2012.07.20 08:24:00 -
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CCP Omen wrote:Elecktra Blue wrote:"The end goal is for the materials for tech two production to come from player activities that require group gameplay and risk taking, and that provide appropriate rewards."
Yes not like a group of players took the time to grind sov, place towers, keep up the logistics of said towers, and defended them. I think this is a good point and you should applaud yourself. It doesn't change the fact that nudges can be required for the benefit of the EVE universe. Like it or not but we did the same with PI taxes. I am sure that was a great benefit to some and a huge problem for others. You'll bounce back I'm sure for the same reasons you climbed to power in the first place; being excellent at EVE! Kudos Omen
notsureifserious.jpg - [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg[/img] [yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow] |
Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
724
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Posted - 2012.07.20 08:28:00 -
[460] - Quote
Dilly Dallyer2 wrote:One totaly unrelated game mechanic that could also break the Tech monopoly would be to make standings based on player actions, not just a click of a button. Too much of the game is blue to each other. Indiscretions done to an Alliance should not be so easily forgotten. To stop this from being exploited by Awoxres this would need personal, corp and Alliance standings exactly like is done with NPC agents/Corps/Factions. If your personal standings towards an alliance you are in drop to a certain point, you get a warning, if they drop lower you loose all roles, if they drop bellow a set threshold you get a 24 hour warning that you are being automaticaly kicked from your corporation.
END this mass of iveryone being blue. blob warefare needs to be attacked from every direction.
So people are not allowed to be friends unless the game says so? That's a curious interpretation of "open-ended sandbox universe driven by player actions". |
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Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
724
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Posted - 2012.07.20 08:30:00 -
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Airto TLA wrote:Again you did not take it from a 65,000 palyer coalition, You smashed a much smaller group than your self after calling in every ally you could when the restiance stiffened at all. Most of the 65,000 members did not at the time have any connection to the war space, gained no benefit from it, had no strong allianiance to the lederships of their coalition, hell they may have thought very little for the leader of their alliance.
So they took it from a 65,000 player coalition who didn't want that space anyway? |
Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
899
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Posted - 2012.07.20 08:32:00 -
[462] - Quote
Dilly Dallyer2 wrote:One totaly unrelated game mechanic that could also break the Tech monopoly would be to make standings based on player actions, not just a click of a button. Too much of the game is blue to each other. Indiscretions done to an Alliance should not be so easily forgotten. To stop this from being exploited by Awoxres this would need personal, corp and Alliance standings exactly like is done with NPC agents/Corps/Factions. If your personal standings towards an alliance you are in drop to a certain point, you get a warning, if they drop lower you loose all roles, if they drop bellow a set threshold you get a 24 hour warning that you are being automaticaly kicked from your corporation.
END this mass of iveryone being blue. blob warefare needs to be attacked from every direction.
this is quite possibly the most ******** idea put in print.
ever
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Lord Zim
1071
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Posted - 2012.07.20 08:39:00 -
[463] - Quote
Dilly Dallyer2 wrote:One totaly unrelated game mechanic that could also break the Tech monopoly would be to make standings based on player actions, not just a click of a button. Too much of the game is blue to each other. Indiscretions done to an Alliance should not be so easily forgotten. ahahahahahahahahaha
"please CCP make it harder to be friends because I can't do squat to them waaaaaaaaaah" |
Dilly Dallyer2
Pestis Inc
1
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Posted - 2012.07.20 08:45:00 -
[464] - Quote
Abdiel Kavash wrote:Dilly Dallyer2 wrote:One totaly unrelated game mechanic that could also break the Tech monopoly would be to make standings based on player actions, not just a click of a button. Too much of the game is blue to each other. Indiscretions done to an Alliance should not be so easily forgotten. To stop this from being exploited by Awoxres this would need personal, corp and Alliance standings exactly like is done with NPC agents/Corps/Factions. If your personal standings towards an alliance you are in drop to a certain point, you get a warning, if they drop lower you loose all roles, if they drop bellow a set threshold you get a 24 hour warning that you are being automaticaly kicked from your corporation.
END this mass of iveryone being blue. blob warefare needs to be attacked from every direction. So people are not allowed to be friends unless the game says so? That's a curious interpretation of "open-ended sandbox universe driven by player actions".
No you can be blue with anyone, just not shoot them in the morning and be their best friend in the afternoon
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Lord Zim
1072
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Posted - 2012.07.20 08:46:00 -
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Dilly Dallyer2 wrote:No you can be blue with anyone, just not shoot them in the morning and be their best friend in the afternoon
What if that's the kind of friendship we want? |
Kheeria
Sigillum Militum Xpisti Fatal Ascension
0
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Posted - 2012.07.20 08:49:00 -
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Peter Powers wrote:I do not belong to the tech cartell, but i really think this is something that you (CCP) should not "FIX".
The Tech-Cartell is CONTENT that was created by players, and it's not up to you to "fix" that. It's something we players should fix.
Instead of listening to all the whiners, you should tell 'em "htfu retards, form a new coalition and teach those tech bastards a lesson" changing the game so they don't have their "advantage" anymore means invalidating what they have done, and taking the content of slapping them for doing it from us.
stop removing content. rather give us new toys.
Please do, need more kills. |
TheGunslinger42
Bite Me inc Exhale.
165
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Posted - 2012.07.20 08:55:00 -
[467] - Quote
Haffsol wrote:Spreading tech moons or giving to _all the regions_ equal or equivalent benefits is just lame. The concentration of power and highly specialized business should be very welcome because it SHOULD mean more war!!
Except, as we can clearly see if we look at what is actually happening in eve, it doesn't. Blues and NAP everywhere.
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Lord Zim
1072
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Posted - 2012.07.20 08:55:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:Andrea Griffin wrote:
I'm putting my money on #2. I like this; this is a good thing. Thank you. Alchemy is an interesting, market driven solution to supply issues in Eve.
You left out option 3: Everybody is saying "about frickin time" There's also option 4:
Everybody saying "about frickin time" except for a few windowlickers who say "ahahaha lookit dem goon tears" and then every goon telling them they're ... "special". |
Feligast
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1257
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Posted - 2012.07.20 08:59:00 -
[469] - Quote
HAMBER BOGAN wrote:3) Take post nerf tech and spread it out throughout null sec, not bunched up in one place.
I personally would like option 3.
So essentially, you're saying it's not fair we fought, held, defended, fueled, scooped, and politicked our way to tech holding. It should be taken away from us by the Devs and given to alliances that refuse to do that, amirite?
wrote:END this mass of iveryone being blue. blob warefare needs to be attacked from every direction.
NERF FRIENDS
EDIT: Hi Fozzie! Welcome to your first blogpost thread. Good first step. |
Feligast
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1257
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Posted - 2012.07.20 09:01:00 -
[470] - Quote
Also in before mass deleting of posts. Sorry Grath, I enjoyed reading yours. |
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Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1359
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Posted - 2012.07.20 10:00:00 -
[471] - Quote
Dilly Dallyer2 wrote:One totaly unrelated game mechanic that could also break the Tech monopoly would be to make standings based on player actions, not just a click of a button. Too much of the game is blue to each other. Indiscretions done to an Alliance should not be so easily forgotten. To stop this from being exploited by Awoxres this would need personal, corp and Alliance standings exactly like is done with NPC agents/Corps/Factions. If your personal standings towards an alliance you are in drop to a certain point, you get a warning, if they drop lower you loose all roles, if they drop bellow a set threshold you get a 24 hour warning that you are being automaticaly kicked from your corporation.
END this mass of iveryone being blue. blob warefare needs to be attacked from every direction.
"nerf the ability of players to work together in a massively multiplayer online game" a rogue goon |
Zapson
The Companionship Test Alliance Please Ignore
0
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Posted - 2012.07.20 10:40:00 -
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Peter Powers wrote:I do not belong to the tech cartell, but i really think this is something that you (CCP) should not "FIX".
The Tech-Cartell is CONTENT that was created by players, and it's not up to you to "fix" that. It's something we players should fix.
Instead of listening to all the whiners, you should tell 'em "htfu retards, form a new coalition and teach those tech bastards a lesson" changing the game so they don't have their "advantage" anymore means invalidating what they have done, and taking the content of slapping them for doing it from us.
stop removing content. rather give us new toys.
This definetly deserves authentions, so do my typos adn bad grmar |
Vashan Tar
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
50
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Posted - 2012.07.20 10:52:00 -
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EvilweaselSA wrote:MeBiatch wrote: i think its sad RA pretty much invented Goons and now Goons are all mean like bob and being mean to poor old RA...
i still am fond of the old Red Swarm Federation...
RA is just a name, everyone we liked from there runs their own alliance or is in goonswarm itself. Sad though.
Papa Digger best Digger
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Zapson
The Companionship Test Alliance Please Ignore
0
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Posted - 2012.07.20 10:57:00 -
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Airto TLA wrote:Grath Telkin wrote:Little Fistter wrote: Right now you are giving the dominant alliances all the power.
Excuse me little...eh..man.. They didn't give us anything. We took it from the 65,000 player coalition that held it before us then we turned it into something more than what they were doing with it. Sorry that it doesn't fit your jaded view of reality but thats actually what happened with it. Nobody was given anything... Again you did not take it from a 65,000 palyer coalition, You smashed a much smaller group than your self after calling in every ally you could when the restiance stiffened at all. Most of the 65,000 members did not at the time have any connection to the war space, gained no benefit from it, had no strong allianiance to the lederships of their coalition, hell they may have thought very little for the leader of their alliance. The real problem in my opinion with tech was it got all you space fleet pros togethor on the same side, it allowed you to recruit the exact typle of people you need for this type of operation. The otehr side was not really able to compete with the benefits, so they got a more indepedant type, a more casual type. Tehy got the renters, peeps who really could not give a darn about it overall, they just want a small peice of the pie. When well equiped mercs run in a assault peasants and farmers the farmers 100 miles away do not grab their rifles and head over to help, they stay near their land. This is basically what happend from what I can see. Your tactics maybe were bettter and you would have wone anyway, but the structural differences made it a foregone conclusion to start.
***** please. That's politics. You should be complaining, that teh real world works after the same principle. |
marly cortez
Mercurialis Inc. RAZOR Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.07.20 11:19:00 -
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By my own observations the act of moon mining the high end products is normally done at Alliance level and not as the presumption appears to be one mainly of personal income streams as this is certainly not the case.
The resulting income from these activities are then used to finance the Alliance economic structure, the roots of which extend throughout the EVE economy, mess with that and you open a can of worms marked up 'Nasty' these creatures are by there very nature utterly unpredictable.
While we all fully perceive there is a problem with Tech it is that very problem that has promoted some of the best play 'Interaction' that has to date been seen in EVE for thousands of players over the past years.
It is to be hoped that these CCP 'shining lights' tread very carefully with this one or they run the risk of collapsing the EVE economy in ways they may find very detrimental to the game overall, it might on the surface appear to be broken but is it really broken.
Many R/L financial wizards have attempted to impose there own version of how they see things should be and the results have almost inevitably been very painful for world economies as what appears to be a simple fix to the entrails has always caused a domino effect across it as the market attempts to adjust, inevitably for most it has meant massive financial loss and market instability.
Similar with EVE, if you tinker then you had better be damned sure you fully understand the implications of every aspect and nuance of the changes your making before you even announce your thinking about doing it, adding your own home grown EULA to your announcement simply will not cut it.
Currently as things stand the high ends are reasonably distributed across the various Alliances and factions which bleed the resultant produce into the market driven utterly by the random nature of the markets influence, nothing new there is there, but looking at how that situation came about leads you to the conclusion that it was the very fact that the original distribution table for high end moons was so skewed that it was inevitable that this situation would eventually emerge, the moons are fixed, does not matter who owns them there influence on the market will be a stable one 'In the Long Term', knee jerk reactions to short term fluctuations in the market will not change a thing for the better as this system grew organically from the very roots of EVE.
The economy in EVE was broken on day one, market forces however micro managed those failings in the original model and produced a workable solution and that is the way things should work, hypothesize that your not dealing here with a games virtual market but with the one and only thing in EVE that represents anything approaching a real life entity, poking and stabbing at it will inevitably cause a reaction far beyond that intended.
That the high end moons drive that economy has been long understood by players, how this comes about maybe not be so fully understood by most and it has become more obvious over time that CCP certainly is way off the mark in it's understanding of how players actually interact with EVE and it,s various facets, I for one would be very wary about making such a fundamental change to that. |
Nomistrav
High Flyers RED.OverLord
70
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Posted - 2012.07.20 11:27:00 -
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Instead of actually fixing the issue the way they said they were going to three - four years ago, they decided to come up with a completely rambunctious system that is only going to add more workload to their balancing department because it seemed like the best option that they, the developers, came up with; rather than the community.
Am I the only one absolutely insulted that the system keeps changing without actually fixing anything? All of the "solutions" and "fixes" are just adding more problems to the boatload of bull we've had for the past third of a decade.
Honestly, it's not about one alliance controlling the materials, it's just the fact that those materials are simply -not found- anywhere else. Conquering, holding, and maintaining a territory is one thing but monopolizing is another; and with an entire Galaxy at our disposal we're still not accepting the fact that this is a stupid feature to have. It doesn't start conflicts, it doesn't make the game interesting, it puts one or more alliances into a position of power that can be manipulated simply because the game mechanics never allowed any other style of play.
Balance is one thing, imbalance is another - with balance we have this boring game that no-one will play in a few years. With imbalance, it becomes redundant and people get angry and/or irritated and eventually leave because there's nothing they can do to change the situation. However, imbalance (when done correctly) is also very beneficial. If the system were made so that Region A comprised -MOSTLY- of Material X, but all other regions comprised of lesser values of Material X; then the imbalance is made in a manner which presents the player(s) with the option of wanting -MORE- than what they currently have.
This new system is inevitably going to be failure because it doesn't take into account the rising cost(s) of the materials put into play; nor the logic behind it. It's making gold from bronze, quite literally in fact. Why did this system even make it past the drawing board before -ALL OTHER- options?
I can't be the only one that's thinking this is just adding more problems... |
Kheeria
Sigillum Militum Xpisti Fatal Ascension
0
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Posted - 2012.07.20 11:45:00 -
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Atomic Option wrote:Tippia wrote:In before GÇ£but all those lower-tier moons are in newly claimed CFC space! Raaahrr CCPSwarm!GÇ¥ hahaha yeah as if the other alliances didn't also see this coming. That Honeybadger/TEST/CFC took that space first is their own fault.
No sense your logic make. |
Kheeria
Sigillum Militum Xpisti Fatal Ascension
0
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Posted - 2012.07.20 11:53:00 -
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Airto TLA wrote:Tippia wrote:GRIEV3R wrote:Oh man, OTEC is probably going to QQ pretty hard at this. QQing over something they've been advocating? That doesn't make much senseGǪ Quote:on a semi-related note, wouldn't it be spiffy if, in the real world, if we don't like OPEC having a monopoly on virtually all the oil on Earth, we could just "tweak" the laws of chemistry and physics so anyone can make a replacement for oil in their basement? We kind of can. It's just not worth the effort, though. Actually this sort of stuff happens everyday, fuel prices get too high and people SUSTITUTE, they trade fuel guzzlers for more fuel efficient, they ride the bus, comapnies ship by rail, coal and nuclear get pushed up to replace oil in electricity production, high enough prices and really creative things start to happen (Synthetic rubber was invented to solve a similar issue in world war II, wood was used in some airplanes to save precious aluminium in some cases). Alchemy though hoaky in form represents what markets really do if an imput goes to high an alternatives are found until prices find a new equilibrium. Since the game would be to complicated to follow the real world this plug should help. Also to the dofusess in Goons, etc. complaininng about the "loss" in alliance income and "why should we have to grind", if you really think about it the fact you did not have to grind and could just get ships replaced might have some smalll part to do with your eassy victorys in Delve, etc. The fact that the SOCOs had to replace heir own ships AND give up producing income I would hazzard a guess made getting call to arms work very difficult. Look Goons (the foot soldiers, not the alliance) are going to flow to the best deal so you had the advantage there in the recruitment of the order following types, the other side had to try and call up forces with vague promises of "no rent for next month" 100 mill reimburse on tengus and 1/2 on logis (not as good as mach reimburse, huh). It would not shock me to find out several hundred pilots might have msutered to Delve had we gotten a better deal , hell I might been there for a few days and I am afraid of big fleets. YOu may have still won, but the fight probaly would still be going on and SOCO would have had a chance to see if resource exhastion would have set in.
****, this is the worst post I've ever seen, first off, noone in the CFC is whining about the tech nerf, we welcome it. Second, all soco need to do to make money if they are so desperate is go to NPC nullsec.
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DanMck
Rionnag Alba Northern Coalition.
1
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Posted - 2012.07.20 12:05:00 -
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tech is overpowered, without a doubt.
why you thought to change the prom and dyspro set up to a moon mineral only located in the north ? only you CCP can answer.
the thing that worries me is not the income stream, but the income. 0.0 pvp alliances need a reason to attack space, they need a reason for conflict. Be very careful if you push the income stream to the individual rather than the alliance or corp itself.
High SP players want and need to fight battles with ships that are in relation to the character age and level i.e tech III fleet fights and using supers on a daily or weekly basis. if incomes become tight then people will be less likely to use shiney fleet compositions and more and more boring drakes. Also remember that people in drakes will in most cases have alot more fun popping the same ships classes , who wouldn't rather kill a loki than a drake ?
I am not stating people will not fly these classes without tech but over time alliances will start to consider dropping to more affordable ship classes , battle cruiser online is not that much fun.
If making isk for a 0.0 pvp alliance becomes too much of a time restraint , will people still have fun ? I am not saying we need to have easy or free isk streams , i mean pvpers are not wanting to spend time messing about with boring pve activities just to fund the pvp habit. People will suggest renters and getting more pve focused characters or corps in an alliance but this will only work in a very small scale and sounds good in theroy but never works in practice.
I don't want this to sound like a moan about tech , it is not !. It is more about making sure the changes are fair and balanced but the consideration of pvp alliances are considered so that we can still have epic battles ! |
EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
203
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Posted - 2012.07.20 12:21:00 -
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DanMck wrote:tech is overpowered, without a doubt.
why you thought to change the prom and dyspro set up to a moon mineral only located in the north ? only you CCP can answer.
i can field that one
the person who did the dominion rebalance didn't understand how a bottlenecking system works and made tech valuable completely accidentally, when trying to make low-tier moons moderately valuble |
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