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Hatsumi Kobayashi
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
110
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Posted - 2012.07.19 16:13:00 -
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Everything is a conspiracy. Thulium is the future.
CAUTION
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GRIEV3R
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
27
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Posted - 2012.07.19 16:13:00 -
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Oh man, OTEC is probably going to QQ pretty hard at this. But I'm pretty sure they've already extracted their trillions out of it already.
on a semi-related note, wouldn't it be spiffy if, in the real world, if we don't like OPEC having a monopoly on virtually all the oil on Earth, we could just "tweak" the laws of chemistry and physics so anyone can make a replacement for oil in their basement?
ah, if only reality had benevolent Devs. |
Soto ShinDo
HeroinPixelSpace
8
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Posted - 2012.07.19 16:13:00 -
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TheGunslinger42 wrote:Snowflake Tem wrote:Really? beat up the biggest guy on the block? - suddenly Soundwaves' surviving Fozzy attacks (waka! waka!) spring into sharp focus.
It's always nice to have a new guy to hang catastrophic failures around the neck of tho. Fozzy is so much more brave than I.
I know little about the festering heap of offal that is the moon product market other than it stinks and I won't touch it until it has been cleansed with fire. Faffing with alchemy rates is not cleansing with fire.
Aside from that I genuinely wish you the warmest of welcomes. Clearly the solution is to add moon goo into wormhole space. There's hundreds of completely empty wormholes just waiting to poop out tech. Combine that with NOT listening to the terrible ideas about "stabilisers" and whatnot and you'd actually have some interesting mechanics imo.
Are you serious ?
Wormhole clearly need more money-makers |
Rer Eirikr
SniggWaffe
156
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Posted - 2012.07.19 16:13:00 -
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TheGunslinger42 wrote:Clearly the solution is to add moon goo into wormhole space. There's hundreds of completely empty wormholes just waiting to poop out tech. Combine that with NOT listening to the terrible ideas about "stabilisers" and whatnot and you'd actually have some interesting mechanics imo.
Yea that and your request for Ice belts not 3 pages ago too right? |
Yeep
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
167
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Posted - 2012.07.19 16:14:00 -
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papamike wrote: The second evolution IMO was the introduction of a slave system where alliances began incorporating renters or pets to help finance supercapital programs.
Therefore the system of alliances owning moon goo cartels is by no means the 'traditional' allaince structure, nor is it the only way alliances can generate wealth to help subsidise pvp ventures. What you will probably see is a return to renter alliances and the need for larger pvp focused alliances to protect industrially based corps or renters incorporated into their space.
Yes, because a system where 90% of the population get shat on to finance the fun of the other 10% sounds like a great way to keep people playing. Theres a reason the feudal system almost died out and it has very little to do with Tech. |
Mioelnir
Cataclysm Enterprises Ev0ke
77
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Posted - 2012.07.19 16:15:00 -
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papamike wrote:This system you mention is not the 'traditional' system of alliance management. It is a product of the moon and sov changes of the last 3-4 years.
'Traditional' alliance structures were far more fuedalistic in nature where your right to access the wealth of a region, blue standings and infrastructure was gained by essentially declaring feality towards your corp ceo and upwards to alliance leadership through your corp leadership. The right to access the wealth (traditionally 0.0 ratting, mining and 10/10 plexes) was gained by ensuring that you arrived to fight to defend it when the banners are called.
Good examples of these types of alliances still exist in the majority of 0.0 alliances that dont hold tech moon cartels but the originals were the likes of Stain Alliance and Stain Empire.
The second evolution IMO was the introduction of a slave system where alliances began incorporating renters or pets to help finance supercapital programs.
Therefore the system of alliances owning moon goo cartels is by no means the 'traditional' allaince structure, nor is it the only way alliances can generate wealth to help subsidise pvp ventures. What you will probably see is a return to renter alliances and the need for larger pvp focused alliances to protect industrially based corps or renters incorporated into their space.
It wont mean you cant keep on pvping and getting paid for it through ship replacements. What it does mean is that large fleet losses will be far more painful to an alliance, and far less sustainable. I dont see a problem with this.
The system he describes did however not only come from those changes. There were other realizations involved as well. For example that the people that pay you for access to a 0.0 system are generally not the people you want to have to call upon for its defense; they are usually rather useless. Additionally you will need some sort of bidirectional communication channel over which you will leak bits of critical information into corporate structures that are probably much easier to infiltrate than your own.
And you did not address his main point, that from conquering the towers to the protection of the supply routes, moon mining is player-driven pvp income. And it is to be converted into stupid plex carebear ****, further removing EvE from its once proud pvp core. And if you take the 1500 players that regularly show up for tech timers (both sides combined), average the form up, actual fight etc at 4 hours and take 80m isk/h as base for PVE activities in 0.0, those people could actually have earned 480billion ISK. New ISK, not ISK aquired from other players via market. In the end, this means that the tech moon needs to be uncontested for over 40 months, to generate more income than the people that fought over it could have earned instead.
The economy would be lying weeping in a corner, were it not for the fact that these fights over tech towers occur with all their ship losses, instead of those players doing something else.
That said, the t2 production system in the days of dysprosium and promethium was broken. And the fixed technetium system is broken even more. It is just sad, that more and more sandbox content gets replaced with themepark **** as that is easier to balance. |
Soto ShinDo
HeroinPixelSpace
8
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Posted - 2012.07.19 16:17:00 -
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Spurty wrote:Soto ShinDo wrote:Spurty wrote:Jarin Arenos wrote:Out of curiosity, when was the last time someone actually threatened CFC's tech sov? Like... legitimately, not just trolling. rabblerabble LOL - NCDot. member whining about OTEC. Hilarious! more rabblerabble
You DO realize that your own alliance is part of OTEC? Why don't you leave it if you don't like it? |
Spurty
D00M. Northern Coalition.
366
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Posted - 2012.07.19 16:18:00 -
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R0ot wrote:So am I the only one around here that thinks it would just be infinitely easier to randomize the moons again and spread Tech moons around all regions instead of limited to one particular "area".
Good Idea / Bad Idea?
I'm a proponent of such an idea.
Opponents state that keeping it static causes tension and pvp to happen.
We know the realities not quite what is desired.
---- CONCORD arrested two n00bs yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off. |
R0ot
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
22
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Posted - 2012.07.19 16:18:00 -
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Aprudena Gist wrote:R0ot wrote:So am I the only one around here that thinks it would just be infinitely easier to randomize the moons again and spread Tech moons around all regions instead of limited to one particular "area".
Good Idea / Bad Idea? Yes because scanning every single moon in the game again sounds like good gameplay design.
Someone always does it.... |
R0ot
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
22
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Posted - 2012.07.19 16:20:00 -
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feck... |
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Rer Eirikr
SniggWaffe
157
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Posted - 2012.07.19 16:20:00 -
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R0ot wrote:So am I the only one around here that thinks it would just be infinitely easier to randomize the moons again and spread Tech moons around all regions instead of limited to one particular "area".
Good Idea / Bad Idea?
Doublepost spotted! |
Spurty
D00M. Northern Coalition.
366
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Posted - 2012.07.19 16:21:00 -
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Soto ShinDo wrote:Spurty wrote:Soto ShinDo wrote:Spurty wrote:Jarin Arenos wrote:Out of curiosity, when was the last time someone actually threatened CFC's tech sov? Like... legitimately, not just trolling. rabblerabble LOL - NCDot. member whining about OTEC. Hilarious! more rabblerabble You DO realize that your own alliance is part of OTEC? Why don't you leave it if you don't like it?
Hey Sherlock Holmes has returned!
Wait .. you're not that clever, you must be Dr Watson then.
Yes, sure I should drift around in space shooting NPCs solo in an MMO.
Why don't *you* do something about it and suggest a solution that doesn't involve people having to stop flying with their buddies?
Because, being a dolt on forums is about your level. Observation noted.
---- CONCORD arrested two n00bs yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off. |
Hakaru Ishiwara
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
285
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Posted - 2012.07.19 16:22:00 -
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Aprudena Gist wrote:R0ot wrote:So am I the only one around here that thinks it would just be infinitely easier to randomize the moons again and spread Tech moons around all regions instead of limited to one particular "area".
Good Idea / Bad Idea? Yes because scanning every single moon in the game again sounds like good gameplay design. Why not? If CCP can royally screw over one of the basic features of gameplay with the inventory UI re-do, then why not re-jigger moons? Then CCP can spend the six months following the change acting like heroes fixing what need not be broken in the first place. 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284286 |
Lord Zim
1031
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Posted - 2012.07.19 16:22:00 -
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Aprudena Gist wrote:R0ot wrote:So am I the only one around here that thinks it would just be infinitely easier to randomize the moons again and spread Tech moons around all regions instead of limited to one particular "area".
Good Idea / Bad Idea? Yes because scanning every single moon in the game again sounds like good gameplay design. ooh oooh ooh I know I know I know the solution let's make all moon content rotate every 3 months it'll be awesome and it'll create fights come on guys it'll be awesome |
Ayeson
Hard Knocks Inc.
46
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Posted - 2012.07.19 16:25:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Wocka Wocka!
Remember that if you like this change you should hit the "like" button on this post. I need to know if this is the kind of work the community is looking for. ;)
Attaboy Ask me about Rengas-dar, HRDKX's Most recent, groundbreaking, game-changing, wormhole-collapsing research endeavour. |
Soto ShinDo
HeroinPixelSpace
8
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Posted - 2012.07.19 16:27:00 -
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Spurty wrote:
Yes, sure I should drift around in space shooting NPCs solo in an MMO.
Hypocrisy thy name is spurty.
Spurty wrote: Why don't *you* do something about it and suggest a solution that doesn't involve people having to stop flying with their buddies?
Why should I? I don't have a problem with OTEC. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8631
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Posted - 2012.07.19 16:27:00 -
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GRIEV3R wrote:Oh man, OTEC is probably going to QQ pretty hard at this. QQing over something they've been advocating? That doesn't make much senseGǪ
Quote:on a semi-related note, wouldn't it be spiffy if, in the real world, if we don't like OPEC having a monopoly on virtually all the oil on Earth, we could just "tweak" the laws of chemistry and physics so anyone can make a replacement for oil in their basement? We kind of can. It's just not worth the effort, though. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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DJ P0N-3
Table Flippendeavors
28
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Posted - 2012.07.19 16:27:00 -
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Soto ShinDo wrote:What would be the alchemy reaction for TINFOIL? Reading the last few pages I could make a fortune in EVE by selling it edit: typo
100 Popcorn and 100 Player Tears reacts into 1 Unrefined Tinfoil refines into 10 Tinfoil and 95 Popcorn. |
Elise Randolph
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
899
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Posted - 2012.07.19 16:27:00 -
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A fantastically written devblog. The dream is to temper the Tech prices and spawn conflict in lowsec like Alchemy 1.0. Here's hoping~ ~ |
EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
163
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Posted - 2012.07.19 16:28:00 -
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Tippia wrote:EvilweaselSA wrote:yeah we got the inside scoop on this weeks ago
you know, when soundwave posted it on these forums HmmGǪ was that before or after he said it to everyone present (and watching the stream) at fanfest? before
given his post it was really obvious what was going to happen so we threw preparations for the nerf into high gear (as long as the nerf was ringmining it was a winter-at-the-earliest thing but once they said alchemize everything, well you can do that in an afternoon) |
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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
1435
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Posted - 2012.07.19 16:28:00 -
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Yeep wrote:Yes, because a system where 90% of the population get shat on to finance the fun of the other 10% sounds like a great way to keep people playing. Theres a reason the feudal system almost died out and it has very little to do with Tech. Actually it's entirely to do with tech. The "traditional system" advocated by the FCON guy that he insists CCP must preserve, minus tech and plus NRDS, would be indistinguishable from the CVA style of coalition management both in appearance and levels of success. |
EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
163
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Posted - 2012.07.19 16:29:00 -
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Hakaru Ishiwara wrote:EvilweaselSA wrote:Fiberton wrote:Wait so head of CSM would not give his Alliance an edge by accepting certain persons who use to work for said maker of game into into his alliance for full future intels ? Of course he would not he is TOP legit guy.
yeah we got the inside scoop on this weeks ago you know, when soundwaffe posted it on the goon high-command forums Fixed that for you. our high command, including me, does luv2post on these forums but they're not really our high-command forums given how much navigator likes deleting our posts :smith: |
Rer Eirikr
SniggWaffe
157
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Posted - 2012.07.19 16:30:00 -
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Elise Randolph wrote:A fantastically written devblog. The dream is to temper the Tech prices and spawn conflict in lowsec like Alchemy 1.0. Here's hoping~
Nope clearly you had insider intel and just want to has all the spacemonies, you bad CSM you. |
EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
163
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Posted - 2012.07.19 16:30:00 -
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Elise Randolph wrote:A fantastically written devblog. The dream is to temper the Tech prices and spawn conflict in lowsec like Alchemy 1.0. Here's hoping~ there's too much cobalt in the game to spawn conflict over it
in two months you will have no trouble finding a free cobalt moon
what fights will be over is systems with a station and a high amount of cobalt moons, since you can then do alchemy en masse and get economics of scale to make it worth doing |
Marconus Orion
Massive PVPness
252
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Posted - 2012.07.19 16:33:00 -
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Anyone who names themselves after one of the Muppets is fine by me. |
Mechael
Ouroboros Executor Collective
169
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Posted - 2012.07.19 16:35:00 -
[176] - Quote
Hell, it's about time. Whether or not you win the game matters not. -áIt's if you bought it. |
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
228
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Posted - 2012.07.19 16:35:00 -
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Three years too late if you ask me. Should have been explored in earnest the second PI was released .. speaking of which .. why not add some of the intermediate reaction products to specific planets to buffer supply even further?
It would fit in ever so nicely with player owned POCO's and could be used as very effective way to boost the elephant in the room (ie. Low-sec) with the said specific planets mainly existing in that most wanting yet perpetually ignored area of Eve. Combine that with a nerf to supers when operating in Empire and you have the makings of epic sub-capital brawls over resources in low as well as null and give fledgling alliances/corps, who are unwilling to accept the ball'n'chain of null slavery, the chance to make their mark (read: low-sec Empires).
Looking forward to steps 2-10 in the war against the great ISK printing machine known as moon-goo (you get extra points for making grown men cry in public!). |
EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
165
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Posted - 2012.07.19 16:36:00 -
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Veshta Yoshida wrote:Three years too late if you ask me. Should have been explored in earnest the second PI was released .. speaking of which .. why not add some of the intermediate reaction products to specific planets to buffer supply even further?
It would fit in ever so nicely with player owned POCO's and could be used as very effective way to boost the elephant in the room (ie. Low-sec) with the said specific planets mainly existing in that most wanting yet perpetually ignored area of Eve. Combine that with a nerf to supers when operating in Empire and you have the makings of epic sub-capital brawls over resources in low as well as null and give fledgling alliances/corps, who are unwilling to accept the ball'n'chain of null slavery, the chance to make their mark (read: low-sec Empires).
Looking forward to steps 2-10 in the war against the great ISK printing machine known as moon-goo (you get extra points for making grown men cry in public!). to answer for ccp "because that's a lot of work so it would wait for a content patch" |
Dilly Dallyer2
Pestis Inc
1
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Posted - 2012.07.19 16:40:00 -
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This will help a little but does nothing about the remaining static source of isk from Tech that is totaly located in the north. The price of tech will be capped as With Prom and Dysp from the first batch of Alchemy but the prices will remain high.
Out of interest, as you said you have been playing EVE you several years you wouldn't happen to be in the coalition that just concered some of the regions with most of the Cobalt in game would you.
Nothing personal but we're all human and in general humans are the least honest species on the plannet. In the past the big alliances that are friendly with devs, or have devs in them seem to have had crystal balls and been able to gain from updates that the masses (who by the way pay for the game) are not privy to. |
Hustomte
The Scope Gallente Federation
76
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Posted - 2012.07.19 16:40:00 -
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Tippia wrote: In T1 terms, it would be like if you could create Isogen by banging Veldspar and Scordite together really hard, rather than go out and mine Omber. In the end, you just end up with Isogen, and it makes no difference when you build ships from it.
Fozz, can we noobs in highsec PLEASE have alchemy like this! ... Cause right now Caldari space doesn't have access to isogen and zydrine minerals and I am tired of being a low-sec chew-toy to just make T1 frigs.
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