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ACY GTMI
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Posted - 2010.07.01 12:40:00 -
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I use Stopzilla for virus protection and the last two updates it has complained about Softomate being installed at the same time. I thought it was a coincidence last time, but it was pretty obvious this time.
Are we getting a little more in the patches than we bargained for, or is Stopzilla mis-identifying something?
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Jeremiah Tameri
Azon Consortium
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Posted - 2010.07.01 12:43:00 -
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Edited by: Jeremiah Tameri on 01/07/2010 12:43:41 Never even heard of malware protection called Stopzilla, are you sure it isn't a trojan itself?
You should switch to something more known like AVG/Avast/Avira.
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Illwill Bill
House of Tempers
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Posted - 2010.07.01 12:43:00 -
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Edited by: Illwill Bill on 01/07/2010 12:44:02 It's not in the patch notes.
Also, I haven't seen any toolbars in my IE lately.
Edit: @ Jeremiah: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stopzilla
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ACY GTMI
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Posted - 2010.07.01 12:45:00 -
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Interesting question. I've used Stopzilla for more than a year and it certainly appears to be what it says it is. It was recommended to me by a British friend who does Internet security for a bank.
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Jeremiah Tameri
Azon Consortium
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Posted - 2010.07.01 12:49:00 -
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Edited by: Jeremiah Tameri on 01/07/2010 12:49:33
Originally by: Illwill Bill Edited by: Illwill Bill on 01/07/2010 12:44:02 It's not in the patch notes.
Also, I haven't seen any toolbars in my IE lately.
Edit: @ Jeremiah: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stopzilla
It's still a good idea to use something more known as stopzilla definitely isn't considered in top 10 lists.
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Deamos
Atlas Transgalactic
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Posted - 2010.07.01 12:50:00 -
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Originally by: ACY GTMI Interesting question. I've used Stopzilla for more than a year and it certainly appears to be what it says it is. It was recommended to me by a British friend who does Internet security for a bank.
Never heard of Stopzilla. Probably a false positive. Try a bigger named AV. -
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2010.07.01 13:01:00 -
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I think we can be pretty sure that if there happened to be any malware in the patches - the forum would be flooded with threads on the subject, even on the false-positive ones.
So like others said, it is probably your software that thinks it's something in the patch. And from the text on the wikipedia article... I don't really get mote convinced of the software's ability to give a decent protection...
/c
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Barakkus
Caelestis Iudicium
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Posted - 2010.07.01 13:14:00 -
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Edited by: Barakkus on 01/07/2010 13:14:41 In the last patch (before today) there was something about it that caused my norton corporate edition to make the patcher fail. Once I disabled nav it patched without a problem. There is no malicious code in the patch, but something is being recognized as a false positive. If you can't patch then just disable your stuff while patching then start it back up when it's over.
Originally by: CCP Dropbear
rofl
edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
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Victor Valka
Caldari Endoxa Corporation
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Posted - 2010.07.01 13:19:00 -
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AV software is so 90s.
Originally by: Spaztick You are not outnumbered, you are in a target-rich environment.
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Dr Fighter
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Posted - 2010.07.01 13:22:00 -
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stopzilla has gone down hill over the last few years, ditch it.
Get a better AV program and sweep with ad-aware or spybot once in a while if you have a habbit of clicking on banners lol
ive been using kaspersky for a few years now, only opened the program 5 times or so and one of those was to put a new years license code in
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Th155
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Posted - 2010.07.01 13:23:00 -
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Originally by: Barakkus Edited by: Barakkus on 01/07/2010 13:14:41 In the last patch (before today) there was something about it that caused my norton corporate edition to make the patcher fail. Once I disabled nav it patched without a problem. There is no malicious code in the patch, but something is being recognized as a false positive. If you can't patch then just disable your stuff while patching then start it back up when it's over.
Well... It hasn't been said yet so...
Haha, norton... There's your problem...
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Chesty McJubblies
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Posted - 2010.07.01 13:27:00 -
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Originally by: Barakkus ...my norton corporate edition to make the patcher fail.
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Dan O'Connor
Cerberus Network Dignitas.
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Posted - 2010.07.01 13:28:00 -
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In all the time I play EVE, Avast has not reporting anything suspicious even once. If that were the case... oh boy.
Item DB | Sigs
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Aera Aiana
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.07.01 13:29:00 -
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You wouldn't believe what kind of crappy malware detection mechanisms some protection software use. I was recently working on a program that has to make a temporary copy of itself and run from that copy (to prevent open handles on the source media) and Avira kept going crazy about it. Turns out, Avira's heuristics identify everything as malware that uses Win32's "CopyFile" function to make a copy itself. Of course, if you write your own copy-function it doesn't see a problem any more. Now that makes it a lot safer.... -
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Barakkus
Caelestis Iudicium
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Posted - 2010.07.01 13:39:00 -
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Edited by: Barakkus on 01/07/2010 13:40:56
Originally by: Chesty McJubblies
Originally by: Barakkus ...my norton corporate edition to make the patcher fail.
Actually norton corporate edition is much better than the consumer level products and better than most of the other ones on the market. I believe McAffee and AVG have both completely ****ed up people's systems with false positives and quarentining OS files in the last year a few times.
Originally by: CCP Dropbear
rofl
edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
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Viktor Fyretracker
Caldari Fyretracker Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2010.07.01 14:35:00 -
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Honestly AV software has a well known history and track record of MMORPG hate. because the games have those phases of rapid patching there is no way for the AV to know what is going on. AV makers still have not adapted to online gaming.
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Messoroz
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Posted - 2010.07.01 16:12:00 -
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Edited by: Messoroz on 01/07/2010 16:12:02 AV software - the most pointest crap to keep running nowadays, I've been using Win 7 for 8 months now without it and have yet to get any malware or viruses, heck I'm using IE8 mainly :P The only problem is Flash and acrobat are more exploitable and virus prone then IE6 ever freaking was.
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Captain Muscles
Caldari Clan Farthammer
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Posted - 2010.07.01 16:18:00 -
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Originally by: Messoroz Edited by: Messoroz on 01/07/2010 16:12:02 AV software - the most pointest crap to keep running nowadays, I've been using Win 7 for 8 months now without it and have yet to get any malware or viruses, heck I'm using IE8 mainly :P The only problem is Flash and acrobat are more exploitable and virus prone then IE6 ever freaking was.
You have software that will detect, but not remove viruses? ____________________ Captain Muscles sez:
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Wacoede
Amarr Swag Co. Sandbox Bullies
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Posted - 2010.07.01 16:21:00 -
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Originally by: Messoroz Edited by: Messoroz on 01/07/2010 16:12:02 AV software - the most pointest crap to keep running nowadays, I've been using Win 7 for 8 months now without it and have yet to get any malware or viruses, heck I'm using IE8 mainly :P The only problem is Flash and acrobat are more exploitable and virus prone then IE6 ever freaking was.
I would never connect a computer to the internet without a firewall (other than the one built in to Win7), anti-spyware/adware, and a decent AV on the system otherwise your just asking for trouble.
There are people out there that look for systems just like yours to use, via a bot, for DDoS attacks and guess who gets blamed for that attack .... YOU. ___________________________________________________
Originally by: Avery Fatwallet when someone sez "eve is too tuff" standard reply is "can i have stuff?"
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Teinyhr
Minmatar Nor'akho Matar
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Posted - 2010.07.01 16:22:00 -
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Originally by: ACY GTMI I use Stopzilla for virus protection and the last two updates it has complained about Softomate being installed at the same time. I thought it was a coincidence last time, but it was pretty obvious this time.
Are we getting a little more in the patches than we bargained for, or is Stopzilla mis-identifying something?
Very quick googling reveals Stopzilla isn't an antivirus program, it's an anti-spyware program. Get Antivir, Avast! or something for virus protection ASAP. And it's likely a false positive, I haven't seen anything of the kind personally on my computer.
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Aldarica
Spinal Discipline
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Posted - 2010.07.01 16:29:00 -
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Neither NOD or Ad-aware here did not report any potential problem in this or any other of CCP's patches, ever. I'd suggest you to move to some other more reliable AV software like NOD, Avast or Avira. (plus Ad-aware maybe but that one is not really necessary)
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KaarBaak
Minmatar Squirrel Team
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Posted - 2010.07.01 16:35:00 -
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Originally by: Wacoede
Originally by: Messoroz Edited by: Messoroz on 01/07/2010 16:12:02 AV software - the most pointest crap to keep running nowadays, I've been using Win 7 for 8 months now without it and have yet to get any malware or viruses, heck I'm using IE8 mainly :P The only problem is Flash and acrobat are more exploitable and virus prone then IE6 ever freaking was.
I would never connect a computer to the internet without a firewall (other than the one built in to Win7), anti-spyware/adware, and a decent AV on the system otherwise your just asking for trouble.
There are people out there that look for systems just like yours to use, via a bot, for DDoS attacks and guess who gets blamed for that attack .... YOU.
Like the previous poster, once I upgraded to Win7 I didn't bother with AV...mostly out of laziness (had used avira on XP previously). Going on 6 months now with no problems. The AV companies prey/profit on such fear-mongering.
Of course, if you're going to run out-dated software you should have some kind of protection. But if you're doing that, you're also probably clicking on the Flash Update bubble pop-ups, etc. so you're your own worst enemy.
No OS can patch 'stupid.'
KB
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Messoroz
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Posted - 2010.07.01 16:39:00 -
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Edited by: Messoroz on 01/07/2010 16:44:02 Edited by: Messoroz on 01/07/2010 16:40:18
Originally by: Wacoede
Originally by: Messoroz Edited by: Messoroz on 01/07/2010 16:12:02 AV software - the most pointest crap to keep running nowadays, I've been using Win 7 for 8 months now without it and have yet to get any malware or viruses, heck I'm using IE8 mainly :P The only problem is Flash and acrobat are more exploitable and virus prone then IE6 ever freaking was.
I would never connect a computer to the internet without a firewall (other than the one built in to Win7), anti-spyware/adware, and a decent AV on the system otherwise your just asking for trouble.
There are people out there that look for systems just like yours to use, via a bot, for DDoS attacks and guess who gets blamed for that attack .... YOU.
Seriously, there aren't viruses prowling the internet to attack you, poking at ip addresses with a stick. They are hidden on flash drives and websites waiting for the vulnerable. Win7 took care of MANY of those vulnerabiliies and IE8 is solid compared to its ancient self. The only major exploits these days are happening due to Flash and Acrobat being the most exploitable pieces of ****s ever. There is a execute program command avaliable for scripting in PDFs, it's just asking for trouble out of many things very wrong with it.
The only software I have installed at the moment is the Windows Defender crap that comes with Win7 and requires surgery to remove. Just chcked its history however and it's completely empty.
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Barakkus
Caelestis Iudicium
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Posted - 2010.07.01 17:08:00 -
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Edited by: Barakkus on 01/07/2010 17:11:13 nm :P
Originally by: CCP Dropbear
rofl
edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
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Messoroz
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Posted - 2010.07.01 17:10:00 -
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Edited by: Messoroz on 01/07/2010 17:10:23
Originally by: Barakkus
Originally by: Messoroz Seriously, there aren't viruses prowling the internet to attack you, poking at ip addresses with a stick.
You don't know much about viruses do you?
I do but the sentence wasn't meant to be a serious one even with the word seriously.
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Syn Callibri
Minmatar Blacklight Incorporated
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Posted - 2010.07.01 17:12:00 -
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I use AVG and have had no indication that any malware was included in the patch.
"Nindyn nindel kyorl nind ratha, thalra streea dal l'alust." |
Barakkus
Caelestis Iudicium
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Posted - 2010.07.01 17:18:00 -
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Originally by: Messoroz Edited by: Messoroz on 01/07/2010 17:10:23
Originally by: Barakkus
Originally by: Messoroz Seriously, there aren't viruses prowling the internet to attack you, poking at ip addresses with a stick.
You don't know much about viruses do you?
I do but the sentence wasn't meant to be a serious one even with the word seriously.
My bad, sarcasm sometimes escapes me in textual formats :P
Originally by: CCP Dropbear
rofl
edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
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Darke Elune
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Posted - 2010.07.01 17:50:00 -
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Mozilla Firefox 3.6, AVG Free, Malwarebytes, no indications of malware, trojans, virues detected, all systems protected.
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.07.01 19:54:00 -
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Edited by: Cipher Jones on 01/07/2010 19:54:38
Originally by: Jeremiah Tameri Edited by: Jeremiah Tameri on 01/07/2010 12:49:33
Originally by: Illwill Bill Edited by: Illwill Bill on 01/07/2010 12:44:02 It's not in the patch notes.
Also, I haven't seen any toolbars in my IE lately.
Edit: @ Jeremiah: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stopzilla
It's still a good idea to use something more known as stopzilla definitely isn't considered in top 10 lists.
The most known AV progs are the most exploitable for the record. This is clearly a signature. |
Grez
M. Corp Daisho Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.07.01 20:18:00 -
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Microsoft Security Essentials was ranked #3 last I checked, after NOD32 and Kapersky (which are essentially the same). MSE is free too, and despite most trolls - pretty decent. ---
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