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Captain Presario
Israeli Space Corporation Error Unkown
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Posted - 2012.07.19 21:56:00 -
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Hello. Im not one for long winded posts so im going to outline an idea for the Devs and ask for there feedback on it.
At present we have 4 Empires ingame
Caldari Gallente Amarr Minmatar
Now with the ISK a player earns and the fact that no corp can be trusted to be invested in because of shall we say *real life greed*, what i don't understand is why there are no *Empire* business oppertunities to invest in. Surley this kind of feature aught to be in the game. Small investments that we can invest in to make small profit, certain standings make more investment oppertunitys avalible?
I have ISK and it seems to be like WOW, u make the ISK, u spend it, U Make this ISK, rinse and repeat.
May i ask if this kind of idea has ever been thought of by CCP? Perhaps Quafe investments, or criminal investments? i.e pirate corps. It just seems to me that with all that is avalible, this kind of feature could be avalible?
I am not a businessmen in games, i never have been, but could we not creat a NPC controlled share market? For each Empire? Like wall street?
Just an idea, discuss. |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
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Posted - 2012.07.19 22:32:00 -
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Just a FYI... Wall Street is not run by the government. Not by a long shot. It's a ginomous private business collective that manages the shares and values of other private businesses... and is quite effectively a slave to the collective will of all the private investors and businesses that have a hand in it.
No... you're thinking of the FED which gives out loans to financial institutions and sets interest rates for loans and savings.
One of the main ideas behind EVE is that the game is supposed to be "run" by players. This includes investment opportunities. So your idea is a no-go right there. The other issue is that players have a tendency to use and abuse any and all mechanics. You give players the ability to invest in NPC companies (which will never fail unless CCP says otherwise), then players then dump in obscene amounts of ISK and make gobs of passive income for no real effort.
Congrats... you have now made the rich very rich... inflation rise... and as a result... the poor will still stay poor (due to inflation costs) Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective. |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E. Comic Mischief
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Posted - 2012.07.19 22:41:00 -
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Ive always assumed our ISK is invested, and the proceeds go to pay the salary of our crews. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
xPredat0rz
Violent Alternatives C0NVICTED
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Posted - 2012.07.20 01:26:00 -
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Something along the lines of a capable investment income.
something like a max investment per toon of like 2000000000 with an interest rate of like 5%
Thats 100m a month profit as a passive income. PI makes more per month.
now yes the ones with multiple accounts can make more isk but they also have to invest a **** ton more.
Maybe even make people have to have 7.00 state standings to invest in each state. so you can max have 8b invested and make 400m a month.
Charge a 50% penalty to pull your investment out early. But allow an option to uninvest before next interest period. |
Captain Presario
Israeli Space Corporation Error Unkown
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Posted - 2012.07.21 10:55:00 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:Just a FYI... Wall Street is not run by the government. Not by a long shot. It's a ginomous private business collective that manages the shares and values of other private businesses... and is quite effectively a slave to the collective will of all the private investors and businesses that have a hand in it.
No... you're thinking of the FED which gives out loans to financial institutions and sets interest rates for loans and savings.
One of the main ideas behind EVE is that the game is supposed to be "run" by players. This includes investment opportunities. So your idea is a no-go right there. The other issue is that players have a tendency to use and abuse any and all mechanics. You give players the ability to invest in NPC companies (which will never fail unless CCP says otherwise), then players then dump in obscene amounts of ISK and make gobs of passive income for no real effort.
Congrats... you have now made the rich very rich... inflation rise... and as a result... the poor will still stay poor (due to inflation costs)
1. I never said Wall street was run by the goverment, i said *like wall street* So dont troll just for the sake of trolling. 2. No im not thinking of the FED as im not American 3. There are no trade oppertunities hence this idea 4. Investments can be limited by NPC standings levels to isk amount investsed.
Bascially mate, u quite clearly dont understand inflation if u think open trade abilities run by npcs will cause inflation
Go troll sumwere else |
xPredat0rz
Violent Alternatives C0NVICTED
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Posted - 2012.07.21 15:14:00 -
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surprised i didnt get called an idiot yet |
Ruareve
Applied Creations The Fendahlian Collective
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Posted - 2012.07.21 16:26:00 -
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While I like the idea of some form of investment which players can't scam, I don't see how to make it work and still fit the idea of risk vs. reward.
What I would like to see is some way for players to create investment opportunities but backed by CCP to prevent scams. However I just can't see a way to make it work without an extreme amount of involvement by CCP. There is no way to prevent someone from taking any investments, dumping it into products from an alt , writing it up as a loss, and having to get CCP do an audit to see if the loss was legit or a scam.
In the end I think the best way to go about this is have some form of sticky list on the market forum showing known scammers so at the least you'll make people have to create or buy new accounts. Yet another blog about Eve- http://ruar-eve.blogspot.com/ |
Captain Presario
Israeli Space Corporation Error Unkown
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Posted - 2012.07.21 19:11:00 -
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xPredat0rz wrote:surprised i didnt get called an idiot yet
Nothing wrong with what you said, why would i call you an idiot :/
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Captain Presario
Israeli Space Corporation Error Unkown
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Posted - 2012.07.21 19:13:00 -
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Ruareve wrote: While I like the idea of some form of investment which players can't scam, I don't see how to make it work and still fit the idea of risk vs. reward.
What I would like to see is some way for players to create investment opportunities but backed by CCP to prevent scams. However I just can't see a way to make it work without an extreme amount of involvement by CCP. There is no way to prevent someone from taking any investments, dumping it into products from an alt , writing it up as a loss, and having to get CCP do an audit to see if the loss was legit or a scam.
In the end I think the best way to go about this is have some form of sticky list on the market forum showing known scammers so at the least you'll make people have to create or buy new accounts.
Exactly and i don't feel this age old *risk vs reward* rubbish is even in effect anymore as the bigger the blob, the bigger the win, that is not risk vs reward, that is steam rolling 0.0 regions.
I feel ccp need to do sumthing for empire players to make decent amounts of ISK.
Level 4's are fun, but unless you are HIGH SKILLED, they are very hard to do. Incursions are fun, but again as above, skills come into it or corps wont take you.
Do u see were im going with this?
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Tomcio FromFarAway
Singularity's Edge
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Posted - 2012.07.21 20:03:00 -
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Captain Presario wrote: ... for empire players to make decent amounts of ISK.
They aren't?
Captain Presario wrote: Level 4's are fun,
Oookay.
Captain Presario wrote: but unless you are HIGH SKILLED, they are very hard to do.
Oooooookay.
Captain Presario wrote: Incursions are fun, but again as above, skills come into it or corps wont take you.
Skills and teamwork required to make more iskies - who would have guessed.
Captain Presario wrote: Do u see were im going with this?
Yes but the answer to that is : no.
As for the idea itself : No. Missions already provide enough iskies for people, who are actually skilled enough to do them efficiently with no risk involved.
As for the investment itself - it's fine as it is because it involves risk and player interaction. |
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