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Jennifer Fenring
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.07.04 22:02:00 -
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Edited by: Jennifer Fenring on 04/07/2010 22:09:29
Originally by: Tippia It says so in the information material on how the corp mechanics work.
Hm I didn't know that! :-s
Originally by: Marcus Atntony Oh come on right back! If you step in a MMORPG game that boasts loudly its PVP, and the first thing that crosses your mind in the game as a good idea -- as a new player -- is go and start another new corp when you know so little of the game as is is clearly a "dumb thing to do". >.> There is a pile of information at the right at the front doors of new players.... ie they can talk to the rest of the player base quite easily via ingame chat even in the NPC corps and help channels.
That may be true but I know I didn't see it mention in the "rookie channel" when I started.
And for "what to expect" .. my 1st mmorpg was quite a harsh game where you could kill everyone who got out of the gates and take away a certain % of his/her SP as well. Dying meant loss of SP, so it was quite tough. Still there wasn't some mechanism that could just enable you to kill people in otherwise safe places just by announcing it 24h beforehand. I don't find that a logical or intuitive system.
As I said I haven't made a corp in EVE so I didn't know about the warning but being a rookie is no 100% guarantee that you know this.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.07.04 22:10:00 -
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Originally by: Jennifer Fenring
Originally by: Tippia It says so in the information material on how the corp mechanics work.
Hm I didn't know that! :-s
To drive the point home. When you search for "player corps" or "corporation management" or even just look up the corp management skill in the EVE Wiki, you pretty much immediately come across this corp management guide, which has a section specifically dealing with wars that starts by stating: Originally by: "Corp guide" Wars between Corporations and Alliances are most definitely possible. One of the main purposes of Corporations and Alliances is to allow formal wars over resources, trade routes, strategic systems, or pride. Players belonging to a warring Corporation or Alliance may attack the opposition without impunity or loss of security status.
In order to keep things interesting and retain a bit of realism, declarations of war do not require a mutual agreement, as in the real world. The declaration of war is sent from one CEO to another and the fight begins.
So, yeahà ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Felix Esperium
Lysergic Distortions Research and Development
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Posted - 2010.07.04 22:11:00 -
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Originally by: Jennifer Fenring I don't find that a logical or intuitive system.
done whining about learning skills and on to war decs now?
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Yuki Kulotsuki
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Posted - 2010.07.04 22:13:00 -
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Originally by: Jennifer Fenring How did you find out then? Clearvoiance?
So when you were 1 week in you already thought "making a corp with my friends and fellow rookies isn't a good idea because it can be wardecced, I won't let myself be deceived by the ridiculous ease it takes to form a corp because it doesn't sound like my EVE".
Right.
Before I started playing. Guides, forums and blogs are full of information and are all accessible before you activate an account. I knew what I was getting into when I joined eve. First major exposure to it was the article about GHSC. Next looked into it after BoB lost their stuff. Occasionally read up on various in-game happenings. It was always very clear that eve was a hostile environment and you had better know your **** or lose it. So I sat down and learned how the game worked before I put down cash for it.
No-rage iz powaa!
Originally by: CCP Lemur THIS IS GOD: ... IF YOU HAVE ANY MORE REQUESTS I'M AVAILABLE SUNDAY FROM 10:30 TO 12:00 TO RECEIVE YOUR PRAYERS.
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Jennifer Fenring
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.07.04 22:14:00 -
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Edited by: Jennifer Fenring on 04/07/2010 22:14:44
Originally by: Felix Esperium
Originally by: Jennifer Fenring I don't find that a logical or intuitive system.
done whining about learning skills and on to war decs now?
The world will never be perfect!
But I never said I disagreed with the system, I just say it's not intuitive and I also don't think every new player is supposed to know all that.
And yea larning skills .. bah!
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KaarBaak
Minmatar Squirrel Team
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Posted - 2010.07.05 00:07:00 -
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Originally by: Jennifer Fenring
Still there wasn't some mechanism that could just enable you to kill people in otherwise safe places just by announcing it 24h beforehand. I don't find that a logical or intuitive system.
As I said I haven't made a corp in EVE so I didn't know about the warning but being a rookie is no 100% guarantee that you know this.
Well, TBH there is no mechanic for me to legally deal with the individual offending pilot. The only way for me to act the way I want is to dec the entire corp. A little bit of collateral damage, I guess. Though I did craft a letter to the CEO explaining that I was only concerned with the one guy...the CEO responded that he was going to sic the entire alliance he was about to join on me.
As I told him, I guess we're both going to 'learn to EvE' together over the next few days.
Thanks for the replies. The definition of noob corp is much better understood and I feel my conscience is clear.
KB =vinur allra manna
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Merouk Baas
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.07.05 00:22:00 -
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The war-deccer is ONE GUY. The target corp is 8 guys. Even if it's "experienced" vs. "newbies" it's still nowhere near being unfair, to either party.
Tell him if he joins an alliance then YOU join an alliance too, and then let the alliance diplo know that a war is about to happen because of these cowards. Then join a pvp alliance of some sort.
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Tau Cabalander
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.07.05 01:36:00 -
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Edited by: Tau Cabalander on 05/07/2010 01:46:48
I don't really know what constitutes a "noob" corp, or if there is such a thing.
Yesterday our small "noob" (3 people) w-space corp got suckered into a textbook classical trap. We walked right into it with our eyes wide open, ignoring numerous signs of a trap. We lost about 2 billion in assets.
We should have expected something when our C2 connected to a C5, a fairly rare occurance.
It was so perfect and beautifully executed that we could not help but admire our attackers, a mix of mostly stealth bombers and some recons that out-numbered us 4:1 when the trap was sprung. We gave them so much time and opportunity to setup the ambush.
Afterwards, the whole "noob" corp, as tiny as it is, went to work to replace all that was lost. The last T3 manufacturing jobs finish in about 14 hours.
As the member that lost the most stated, losing ships is what EVE is all about. He was just thrilled that he had a chance to take part in it. He survived long enough to take out two stealth bombers before his cap was completely neuted by the recons, but doesn't regret his expensive loss; it was worth the adrenalin rush.
Also, there is nothing like a good thrashing to make one pick-up their scanning and intel skills. The past year has been all to quiet in our system and we needed the lesson.
Props to the Legiunea ROmana and IT Alliance w-space roam on the execution. Our "noob" corp salutes you for job well done o7
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2010.07.05 04:09:00 -
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If your corp is planning a day of low sec group mining to make some "real" money - you might be noob corp.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
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Posted - 2010.07.05 21:34:00 -
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Originally by: Jennifer Fenring
That may be true but I know I didn't see it mention in the "rookie channel" when I started.
Rookie Help is the channel for newbie Q&A session, to answer things like "how to group my weapon". If you want an extensive discussion on specific topics, flip back to your starter corp channel and poke around. Someone would know the answer and be willing to share knowledge. -- Thanks CCP for cu |
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Lost Greybeard
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Posted - 2010.07.05 22:00:00 -
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Originally by: Merouk Baas The war-deccer is ONE GUY. The target corp is 8 guys. Even if it's "experienced" vs. "newbies" it's still nowhere near being unfair, to either party.
If "noobs" meant less than a month, and the one guy has been around for a year or so and is even mildly combat-focused, it's probably going to be pretty unfair to the corp. Even if they technically have the mathematical possibility of victory (I use cheap frigs at low skill to cause a decent amount of havoc at times, so it's conceivable they could win), it's unlikely they've developed the reactions, coordination or innate understanding of the mechanics to deal with something like a carrier or even a well-fitted BS with a strong drone compliment.
That said, the only way they'll get better is to get picked on a few times, so meh.
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1Ekrid1
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Posted - 2010.07.06 07:13:00 -
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1 BS with full drones and tackling gear beats 8 newbies in frigates. how is that hard to understand? Anyone send me a mail in game for the alt of applebabe? I have some hunting to do |
Leslie e'Evob
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Posted - 2010.07.06 07:20:00 -
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A noob is not the same as a newbie. A newbie is someone who, through no fault of their own, is simply new to the game. A newbie is usually willing to learn how the game works, understands that they're new and inexperienced, and strives to better themselves in the game. A noob is the opposite of this.
So yeah, it sounds like a noob corp you've decced, the CEO was right about that.
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Dodgy Past
Amarr Trans-Solar Works Rooks and Kings
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Posted - 2010.07.06 09:10:00 -
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Edited by: Dodgy Past on 06/07/2010 09:14:19
Originally by: Ren Nekk Not that it will stop you people.
Treat other players as NPCs that get in the way of your progress in the game for while, it will help your sanity. You don't want to end up like Ankh do you?
BTW I started in a corp like that.
It's still going and still mainly carebear, but a succession of small griefing corps that have decced it have ended up closed because they always fight back and win the efficiency wars. |
Zaqar
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2010.07.06 10:03:00 -
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It's just words. He misused the phrase 'noob corp' but you knew what he meant, so who cares?
And since by joining a player corp they consent to declarations of war, there's no problem there either.
That was tough, wasn't it?
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TheBlueMonkey
Gallente Priory Of The Lemon Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.06 10:25:00 -
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Newbie corp - the NPC corps that everyone is born into so that they can get used to the game without getting griefed into quitting.
Noob corp - any player created corp that's full of players that should know how to play the game but still act like they're fresh out the clone vat.
That's the way I always see things.
There's nothing wrong with being a newbie, everyone was one at some point.
Noobs on the other hand, diserve everything they get :) |
Ghoest
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Posted - 2010.07.06 11:46:00 -
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Originally by: Leslie e'Evob A noob is not the same as a newbie. A newbie is someone who, through no fault of their own, is simply new to the game. A newbie is usually willing to learn how the game works, understands that they're new and inexperienced, and strives to better themselves in the game. A noob is the opposite of this.
So yeah, it sounds like a noob corp you've decced, the CEO was right about that.
It took a while but someone finally lost the thread by arguing the smantics of "noob" and "newb."
Yay you lose!!!!
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Engelbert Endrass
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Posted - 2010.07.06 14:18:00 -
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They should've know not to try making waves in EVE without first getting settled in. I knew this before I even started playing. Spend some time solo-ing, THEN you join an established Corp, earn some experience, lose some ships, make some money, gain some prestige/rank, AND THEN you can go about starting your own Corp if you're feeling up to it.
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Demolishar
United Aggression Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.07.07 11:09:00 -
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There's no shame in destroying noob corps. EVE was pretty much made for that kind of griefing. There's nothing more satisfying than ruining someone elses day. |
Batolemaeus
Caldari Vauryndar Dalharil
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Posted - 2010.07.07 11:13:00 -
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Edited by: Batolemaeus on 07/07/2010 11:18:23
Originally by: Tonto Auri Erm. "Noob" in my opinion is a moron declining to learn. "Newbie" is a person new to something, who is still learning the basics. If that CEO sure know they are noobs, what? Happy hunting!
This pretty much. Noobs are fair game. Kill them as much as you want, however you want. Preying on newbies, however, is pretty low.
Originally by: 1Ekrid1 1 BS with full drones and tackling gear beats 8 newbies in frigates. how is that hard to understand?
Not much combat experience huh? It takes two days of skilling for two pilots to fly a griffin/maulus combo that will completely lock down a single ship while staying well outside of disruptor range. |
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