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Demordray
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Posted - 2010.07.06 05:23:00 -
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I have been playing eve for a little over a year. I've reached that point where everything seems to take 20-30+ days to train. Essentially your month subscription goes to waiting for that skill to finish. I would love for them to impliment a way to help the training times. I had a few ideas and wanted to hear everyones thoughts on the matter.
My first idea and probably the less realistic was adding skill books such as battlecruiser 5 or caldari battleship 5 for example and have them be attainable through isk or loyalty points from the appropriate factions.
My second idea, which is a little more realistic is allow you to donate your isk or loyalty points to perhaps a new faction in the game. For example 250k isk will get you 1 months worth of training points. The reason I'm saying 250k isk, thats about the average going rate for a plex, which is 1 month of game time. Even if its higher than 250k it would still be worth while. I think making it isk based would be beneficial to all and not single out pirates and miners. Since a good pirate always makes a profit off of ransoms and a miner makes a profit afking in an astroid belt, even scammers can benefit.
I think I as well many others want to quit the game at this point because the training times are too long and its not worth paying to play with such a slow character progression.
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Gladys Pank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.07.06 05:28:00 -
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No.
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Sourpsalm
Gallente Pubs 'n Clubs
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Posted - 2010.07.06 05:29:00 -
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I pay my monthly sub to play the game, not wait for skills to finish but that's just me.
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Zions Child
Caldari Carthage Industries
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Posted - 2010.07.06 05:40:00 -
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Stealth "OMG CCP WILL LETS US BUY SP'S" Troll thread detected.
Go back under your bridge, troll!
Originally by: CCP Shadow *snip* Castration successful. Shadow.
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Demordray
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Posted - 2010.07.06 05:43:00 -
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Originally by: Zions Child Stealth "OMG CCP WILL LETS US BUY SP'S" Troll thread detected.
Go back under your bridge, troll!
Its just a thought and I want to see where others stand on the subject, no need to get nasty about it, If the majority feel its fine the way it is then no need to change it, but if the majority want it changed then why not? I feel like I pay to play, not pay to wait. Its an awesome concept of rewarding those who do play more but still allowing the afk train time to continue. Reward those who work hard.
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Amanda Mor
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.07.06 05:48:00 -
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Originally by: Sourpsalm I pay my monthly sub to play the game, not wait for skills to finish but that's just me.
You're crazy - the $15/mth is strictly so you can watch the progress bar on your skill training screen. I don't know what the hell game you're playing... ---------------------------------------------- I don't have an alt, but there's a main that would be upset if he heard me say that... |
Demordray
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Posted - 2010.07.06 05:54:00 -
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Originally by: Amanda Mor
Originally by: Sourpsalm I pay my monthly sub to play the game, not wait for skills to finish but that's just me.
You're crazy - the $15/mth is strictly so you can watch the progress bar on your skill training screen. I don't know what the hell game you're playing...
Ha ha i know right, i mean its cool to watch that notch move but it only holds my attention for so long, then it shifts to the paint on the wall drying.
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.07.06 05:56:00 -
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Dear moron and/or troll, whichever forum subspecies you may belong to, If everything "seems to take 20-30 days to train", it's because you're trying to hyperspecialize into a single niche, and that's by design, it's not supposed to be easy//fast to reach the absolute maximum of any ship's abilities. As for your ideas, anything that allows you to "grind SP" in any imaginable fashion is bad, regardless of what it might be or how it's disguised. Also, if you're only paying to advance in SP total or sum of trained levels, you might as well freaking quit RIGHT NOW, because this game is not for you. SP are the means to an end, not the end itself. In closing, short version : NO. Long version : NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooooo........
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Demordray
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Posted - 2010.07.06 06:01:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T Dear moron and/or troll, whichever forum subspecies you may belong to, If everything "seems to take 20-30 days to train", it's because you're trying to hyperspecialize into a single niche, and that's by design, it's not supposed to be easy//fast to reach the absolute maximum of any ship's abilities. As for your ideas, anything that allows you to "grind SP" in any imaginable fashion is bad, regardless of what it might be or how it's disguised. Also, if you're only paying to advance in SP total or sum of trained levels, you might as well freaking quit RIGHT NOW, because this game is not for you. SP are the means to an end, not the end itself. In closing, short version : NO. Long version : NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooooo........
My current thought right now is to quit the game, i love the game play but hate the time spent having to wait so long on everything. I understand that its not suppose to be easy but come on 30 days for 1 skill? Thats a little too long. Its one thing to pay $15 a month, its another thing to have to wait that whole month for a skill to finish. I'd rather just pay my 15 bucks and not have to wait so long. And what the hell is with the troll crap its a legit topic to find where people stand, a simple yes or no will do.
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sasabor
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Posted - 2010.07.06 06:17:00 -
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short answer is noway
Secondly don't stop playing because of this
Both my main characters just had long training ques finished , my missionrunning account finished training for marauders and all relevant skill and my industrial account just finished training jumpcalibration lvl5 both took a few months of training to reach this level and i m proud and glad i did it. Remember Rome wasn't build in a day either, for me i am happy with my main characters even both are still under the 20 mil sp , but sitting out a long skill que is a acomplishment and a milestone
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Destruct0
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Posted - 2010.07.06 06:23:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Long version : NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooooo........
I approve of Akita's long version. +1
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.07.06 06:44:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 06/07/2010 06:45:21
Originally by: Demordray [...] but hate the time spent having to wait so long on everything. I understand that its not suppose to be easy but come on 30 days for 1 skill? Thats a little too long. Its one thing to pay $15 a month, its another thing to have to wait that whole month for a skill to finish.
If it takes ~30 days to train a skill, you either have cheap implants, lousy learning skills and inappropriate attributes OR you're training something like <racial> Battleship to Level 5 (or some other rank 8 skill). And no, one month for such a skill to L5 is nowhere near "too long". For the other thing : get better implants, train learnings higher, remap to maximize desired skillsets. If you don't like waiting, and you just have to have it NOW, then get enough ISK and buy a character with all your desired skills trained to the desired levels, if you can find one you can afford.
P.S. You don't "NEED" such a high-rank skill to L5. You just prefer to have it. It's not an absolute necessity. So yes, you have to wait (or pay somebody else who waited).
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Serpents smile
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Posted - 2010.07.06 06:51:00 -
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I have two characters one from 2007 and one from 2008 both have plenty of short skills still to train. You are doing something wrong OP. Or as Akita T suggests bad implants with badly distributed attributes.
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Gladys Pank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.07.06 06:58:00 -
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All the OP is doing is trolling. I'm amazed seemingly intelligent people get into a discussion with people of his kind.
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Starship Roughneck
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Posted - 2010.07.06 07:18:00 -
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There is absolutely nothing wrong with how we play the game now as far as training times are concerned. If you want a quick fix, go play something else.
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TheBlueMonkey
Gallente Priory Of The Lemon Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.06 07:23:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T Dear moron and/or troll, whichever forum subspecies you may belong to, If everything "seems to take 20-30 days to train", it's because you're trying to hyperspecialize into a single niche, and that's by design, it's not supposed to be easy//fast to reach the absolute maximum of any ship's abilities. As for your ideas, anything that allows you to "grind SP" in any imaginable fashion is bad, regardless of what it might be or how it's disguised. Also, if you're only paying to advance in SP total or sum of trained levels, you might as well freaking quit RIGHT NOW, because this game is not for you. SP are the means to an end, not the end itself. In closing, short version : NO. Long version : NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooooo........
I'm so glad your char's female Akita because I love you so much it makes my bagingle tingle --
Nothing is worthless, you may have gotten it for free but it still has an inherent value
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Demordray
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Posted - 2010.07.06 07:34:00 -
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Eh i think ill just play a different game, i am actually training battleship 5, have all the second tier learning skills to 4 but dont feel like training them any higher and have +3 implants across the board, remap has been done this year for willpower and perception. Still takes too long, not worth waiting 3-4 months for marauders. My bad for ruining all of your days, with your responses either you all have gone through hell today or are just generally miserable people, i cant blame you for being miserable with having to wait months to slowly progress through a game lol.
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Lothros Andastar
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.07.06 07:37:00 -
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Originally by: Demordray Eh i think ill just play a different game, i am actually training battleship 5, have all the second tier learning skills to 4 but dont feel like training them any higher and have +3 implants across the board, remap has been done this year for willpower and perception. Still takes too long, not worth waiting 3-4 months for marauders. My bad for ruining all of your days, with your responses either you all have gone through hell today or are just generally miserable people, i cant blame you for being miserable with having to wait months to slowly progress through a game lol.
Please, Go Back to WoW and make sure to brain yourself on the doorframe on the way out.
Hold on, can you brain something with no brains?
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TheBlueMonkey
Gallente Priory Of The Lemon Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.06 07:40:00 -
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Originally by: Demordray Eh i think ill just play a different game, i am actually training battleship 5, have all the second tier learning skills to 4 but dont feel like training them any higher and have +3 implants across the board, remap has been done this year for willpower and perception. Still takes too long, not worth waiting 3-4 months for marauders. My bad for ruining all of your days, with your responses either you all have gone through hell today or are just generally miserable people, i cant blame you for being miserable with having to wait months to slowly progress through a game lol.
Can I have your stuff? --
Nothing is worthless, you may have gotten it for free but it still has an inherent value
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Simeon Tor
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Posted - 2010.07.06 07:44:00 -
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Originally by: Demordray For example 250k isk will get you 1 months worth of training points. The reason I'm saying 250k isk, thats about the average going rate for a plex, which is 1 month of game time.
WTB: 60xPLEX for 250,000 ISK
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Gladys Pank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.07.06 07:46:00 -
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Originally by: TheBlueMonkey
Originally by: Demordray Eh i think ill just play a different game, i am actually training battleship 5, have all the second tier learning skills to 4 but dont feel like training them any higher and have +3 implants across the board, remap has been done this year for willpower and perception. Still takes too long, not worth waiting 3-4 months for marauders. My bad for ruining all of your days, with your responses either you all have gone through hell today or are just generally miserable people, i cant blame you for being miserable with having to wait months to slowly progress through a game lol.
Can I have your stuff?
He doesn't have any since all he ever does is sit waiting for skills to finish.
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.07.06 07:48:00 -
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Instant gratification monkey spotted.
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Lost Greybeard
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Posted - 2010.07.06 08:25:00 -
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If you're serious, I advise picking something you haven't done before and training into it. Start learning to build all the ships you use if you're a fighter, start learning to use all the ships you build if you're an industrialist. If you've got both, learn you some astrometrics and go exploring. If you've got that, too, roll up some stealth missile boats. Got that, too? Expand so you can fly all types of frigates.
Got that, too? No you don't, you lying son of a *****, that's waay over a year of training time.
Anyhow, there should be plenty of stuff with training times well below 20 days. Go get all your 1x support skills to 5 (3-4 days each) if nothing else. |
Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.07.06 08:34:00 -
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Originally by: Gladys Pank
Originally by: TheBlueMonkey Can I have your stuff?
He doesn't have any since all he ever does is sit waiting for skills to finish.
On the other hand, I have the opposite "problem"... I have all the SP I actually need and then some (plus a lot of skills that I'd like to have trained, but none in a hurry, so I never really know which ones to train next), and I basically put up skills to train (because, well, why not) while being busy with completely different stuff (like, market orders, for instance).
Then again, I only have two rank 6 skills trained to L5 (Battlecruisers and AWU) and 5 rank 5 skills to L5 (four of them being the racial cruiser skills), no higher-ranked skills to L5 and no immediate plans for any other high-rank skills to L5 either... although I suppose that at some point I might actually train one of the racial battleship skills to L5, it doesn't really appeal to me that much at the moment (since, meh, I don't really like flying ships larger than battlecruiser class), maybe when I want to take a quasi-break from EVE, or if I ever change my mind about BS-class or larger ships (my current opinion being "they're not fun"... and eww, capital ships, hell no, that's even worse fun-wise).
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FoxtrotOff
Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2010.07.06 08:58:00 -
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So your paying your monthly sub to watch a bunch of bars/dots/numbers go up? I think your in the wrong game my friend, can i suggestthis lil linky
Much better for you, plenty of bars/numbers to go up and no monthly fee, enjoy to your hearts content for hours on end.
Also, fail thread, go away troll. |
Dodgy Past
Amarr Trans-Solar Works Rooks and Kings
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Posted - 2010.07.06 09:03:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 06/07/2010 06:48:00 You don't "NEED" such a high-rank skill to L5. You just prefer to have it. It's not an absolute necessity. So yes, you have to wait (or pay somebody else who waited).
Logistics V wants to have a word with you ;) |
Isil Rahsen
Gallente Ferrum Superum
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Posted - 2010.07.06 09:07:00 -
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Originally by: Demordray Edited by: Demordray on 06/07/2010 05:44:26 I have been playing eve for a little over a year. I've reached that point where everything seems to take 20-30+ days to train. Essentially your month subscription goes to waiting for that skill to finish. I would love for them to impliment a way to help the training times. I had a few ideas and wanted to hear everyones thoughts on the matter.
My first idea was adding skill books such as battlecruiser 5 or caldari battleship 5 for example and have them be attainable through isk or loyalty points from the appropriate factions and sellable on the market. This would allow the market to be set by players.
My second idea, which is a little more realistic is allow you to donate your isk or loyalty points to perhaps a new faction in the game. For example 250k isk will get you 1 months worth of training points. The reason I'm saying 250k isk, thats about the average going rate for a plex, which is 1 month of game time. Even if its higher than 250k it would still be worth while. I think making it isk based would be beneficial to all and not single out pirates and miners. Since a good pirate always makes a profit off of ransoms and a miner makes a profit afking in an astroid belt, even scammers can benefit.
I think I as well many others want to quit the game at this point because the training times are too long and its not worth paying to play with such a slow character progression.
Haven't you heard? When they remove learning skills they are going to slash training times to a quarter of what they are now to compensate! |
Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.07.06 09:14:00 -
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Originally by: Demordray Eh i think ill just play a different game, i am actually training battleship 5, have all the second tier learning skills to 4 but dont feel like training them any higher and have +3 implants across the board, remap has been done this year for willpower and perception. Still takes too long, not worth waiting 3-4 months for marauders. My bad for ruining all of your days, with your responses either you all have gone through hell today or are just generally miserable people, i cant blame you for being miserable with having to wait months to slowly progress through a game lol.
1) +4 and even +5 implants are cheap enough. If you are short on cash place only those you need on your empire clone and try to use it most of the time;
2) Battleship 5 . So practically one of the highest cost sub capital skill and something you usually train only to get in T2 BS or because you want to be one of the top pilots in that ship class. It is not and should be not a "cheap" skill.
I suppose you have trained in a fucused way to get there. So in a year you are the equivalent of me (5 years old character) piloting that class of ships. I don't see any reason to protest.
And, BTW, with <racial> ship to 4 and all the support skills you are a very competent pilot and can do anything a BS pilot can do in EVE.
Last a GTC is 300+ millions not thousands (K). |
Mashie Saldana
Red Federation
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Posted - 2010.07.06 09:37:00 -
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Originally by: Demordray For example 250k isk will get you 1 months worth of training points. The reason I'm saying 250k isk, thats about the average going rate for a plex, which is 1 month of game time.
WTB PLEX for 250k ISK. |
Potato IQ
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Posted - 2010.07.06 09:48:00 -
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Originally by: Dodgy Past
Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 06/07/2010 06:48:00 You don't "NEED" such a high-rank skill to L5. You just prefer to have it. It's not an absolute necessity. So yes, you have to wait (or pay somebody else who waited).
Logistics V wants to have a word with you ;)
As do the skills required for the various marauder class
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