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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2010.07.07 21:52:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia How about the fact that, in spite of their supposed numerical superiority, they apparently only managed to get one representative onto the CSM?
Welcome to Democracy 101 aka Poll Rigging
Imagine you have 10,000 voters and 10 candidates. The population is split into roughly 50/50 between city folks and country folks. The country folks are split into five regions. Each region has one candidate for elections, while the city has 5. There is room for 6 candidates in government. Each country region will get a candidate in, but the vote for city candidates gets spread out between the lot of them - only made worse by the fact that some city folk are also hobby farmers so they vote for a country region candidate.
If there had only been two city candidates instead of 5, the two candidates could have easily taken two seats in government.
Choice is bad, m'kay?
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Ky Vatta
Majority 12
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Posted - 2010.07.07 22:03:00 -
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Originally by: Sokratesz
Originally by: Plumpy McPudding Empire simply has to vote for a better candidate next time.
There are plenty of good 'carebear' candidates, you just need to look a bit further than the first forcefed propaganda video.
I would apply for a CSM 'Carebear' position, if I had the time
(6year+ Eve Carebear, lol)
I`m known by a few, but whether it would be enough??
Those of you who think Carebears have no place as CSM, are rather narrowminded (I admit I`m a Carebear, but that does not mean I cannot change roles?..I have enough SP to do that quite easily)
The odds of an EVE player having both a girlfriend and one that plays EVE...well let's just say it's up there with the universe deciding that existence is highly overrated and correcting the mistake |
JitaPriceChecker2
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Posted - 2010.07.07 22:04:00 -
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No offence, but democracy is a very broken goverment mechanics.
Sadly the best of all tried so far.
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FinnAgain Zero
Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.07 22:06:00 -
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No, that's the point. Of course 'bears have a place on the CSM, a very necessary place. But rather than electing a viable candidate who'd look out for their interests, the voters voted for someone who was known to be unstable and unqualified.
People get the leaders they vote for, unfortunately.
Hopefully next cycle we can get a really solid 'bear or two onto the CSM who's willing to work with other play styles and who knows what the game is about. |
Belid Hagen
Shade. Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2010.07.07 22:16:00 -
[185]
Originally by: JitaPriceChecker2 No offence, but democracy is a very broken goverment mechanics.
Sadly the best of all tried so far.
are you commenting on the western world, or EVE-online? I'm asking because your post has no relevance to EVE
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Ein Spiegel
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Posted - 2010.07.07 22:20:00 -
[186]
No matter what CCP says regarding "you're now stakeholders!", the truth is, you're not. You're consumers with a voice. If they choose to listen to your voice, then yes, the CSM gets things accomplished. If they choose not to, then no, they won't.
CCP is a privately held company, which means that a closed person or group of individuals gets to make all the big decisions, and if they want, all the little ones too. As a business that now has at least three products either released or in the pipeline (not including anything White Wolf may or may not publish, which is a gripe from white wolf customers), Eve's priority may not be #1. And saying "stakeholders" just really means that you're people with an interest in what CCP decides to do. While you can vote with your feet if it gets too bad, you don't really have any power beyond that threat. And there's no reason that you should be surprised if things change in ways you are opposed to them changing. If CCP were publicly traded, a player might amass a significant portion of stock and demand actual changes in priority or business method. (In fact, there are some players that have significant resources and might be more than happy to do so... sadly, I am not one. If you can, give me moneys. Or a job. Or something.) Ahem.
When I say three products, I don't refer to Incarna either. Dust is a separate product, Eve is another, and the mysterious but heralded World of Darkness MMO is the third.
Personally, I think it pretty much sets the tone when the CSM doesn't have a chance to at least say hello to the CEO. Sure, he's busy, but doesn't everyone want to meet a real Viking giant?
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Kern Hotha
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Posted - 2010.07.07 22:21:00 -
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Kick everyone off the CSM. Next year, instead of buying airplane tickets for worthless CSM candidates, CCP buys a pool table for their offices. It would be money better spent.
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Misanth
Reaper Industries Asset Liberation Front.
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Posted - 2010.07.07 22:22:00 -
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Originally by: Kern Hotha Kick everyone off the CSM. Next year, instead of buying airplane tickets for worthless CSM candidates, CCP buys a pool table for their offices. It would be money better spent.
I been voting they put a beer fountain in the lobby.
Brought that up as soon as the announcement of CSM. If they're gonna throw away RL money, at least do it in style. - I'd tell you why but then I'll have to kill you. And to kill you I'd have to log in. And to log in I'd have to stop browsing these forums. Both you and me knows that'll never happen. |
Meissa Anunthiel
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Posted - 2010.07.07 22:24:00 -
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Originally by: Plumpy McPudding Empire simply has to vote for a better candidate next time.
Not everyone who lives in highsec votes for ankhe. I got many carebear votes (I'm a carebear), as did Teadaze and Dierdra, at the very least... Highsec proposals are not going to fall on the wayside because the one <expletive removed> member.
Actually this should be better without her in the way to emorage on every highsec proposal, that's my opinion.
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FinnAgain Zero
Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.07 22:27:00 -
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Yah, but you're a modified carebear.
------------------------------------------------ Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes.StevieSG Hohohoho, Mister Finn, youÆre going to be Mister Finnagain! |
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Ky Vatta
Majority 12
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Posted - 2010.07.07 22:29:00 -
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Next election I may put myself forward for CSM
I admit I`m a carebear, but I also understand many other careers, as I have been playing Eve nonstop since early 2004
I admit I`m fallible, and will listen to all sides in any argument
...but that is a long time away
The odds of an EVE player having both a girlfriend and one that plays EVE...well let's just say it's up there with the universe deciding that existence is highly overrated and correcting the mistake |
Ghoest
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Posted - 2010.07.07 22:34:00 -
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Originally by: Mynxee CSM has no more details than you guys do. Until CCP or Eva choose to share more about the situation, there's a real danger of wild speculation leading to insanely wrong conclusions.
Did you really use the word "danger?"
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Malcanis
Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.07.07 22:35:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Sokratesz
Originally by: Plumpy McPudding Empire simply has to vote for a better candidate next time.
There are plenty of good 'carebear' candidates, you just need to look a bit further than the first forcefed propaganda video.
I should apply for CSM as a carebear candidate.
-Liang
You really should.
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
Tau Dades
Caldari Electrostatik
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Posted - 2010.07.07 22:36:00 -
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Originally by: Helicity Boson
confirming that free trips to iceland to talk about internet spaceships is srs business.
So serious, it would look good on your rTsumT
meanwhile at the Job Interview...
*looks at resume
Ms. Tempest, you are hired!
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Cobalt Sixty
Caldari Intercision
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Posted - 2010.07.07 22:36:00 -
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Originally by: Verone Glad she's off the CSM tbh, for the best part her ideas and input were horrendous.
Absolutely, this.
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Barakkus
Caelestis Iudicium
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Posted - 2010.07.07 22:45:00 -
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Originally by: Misanth
Originally by: Kern Hotha Kick everyone off the CSM. Next year, instead of buying airplane tickets for worthless CSM candidates, CCP buys a pool table for their offices. It would be money better spent.
I been voting they put a beer fountain in the lobby.
Brought that up as soon as the announcement of CSM. If they're gonna throw away RL money, at least do it in style.
This ^^
But in all seriousness, it's a tax write-off anyways, at least in the US it would be, so really no real money is being spent in the long run, a beer fountain though, I think would be a wee bit difficult to write off on your taxes lol.
Originally by: CCP Dropbear
rofl
edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
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Renser Benser
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Posted - 2010.07.07 22:49:00 -
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Originally by: Helicity Boson http://i31.tinypic.com/3583w5s.jpg
Image changed to a URL - Adida
LO ****ing L...you better be ****ing kidding me! That is quite pathetic actually.
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Misanth
Reaper Industries Asset Liberation Front.
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Posted - 2010.07.07 22:55:00 -
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Originally by: Barakkus This ^^
But in all seriousness, it's a tax write-off anyways, at least in the US it would be, so really no real money is being spent in the long run, a beer fountain though, I think would be a wee bit difficult to write off on your taxes lol.
Representation. Anything goes there, extra good for bar tabs.
In all seriousness, does anyone take CSM serious? Because seriously, that'd be quite hilarious. - I'd tell you why but then I'll have to kill you. And to kill you I'd have to log in. And to log in I'd have to stop browsing these forums. Both you and me knows that'll never happen. |
Barakkus
Caelestis Iudicium
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Posted - 2010.07.07 22:58:00 -
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Originally by: Misanth
Originally by: Barakkus This ^^
But in all seriousness, it's a tax write-off anyways, at least in the US it would be, so really no real money is being spent in the long run, a beer fountain though, I think would be a wee bit difficult to write off on your taxes lol.
Representation. Anything goes there, extra good for bar tabs.
In all seriousness, does anyone take CSM serious? Because seriously, that'd be quite hilarious.
Lots of game companies do almost exactly what the CSM does, but they don't hold elections for it, you get in "the program" from your history interacting with the developers, which is where CCP should take their CSM deal. SOE has a group of players similar to the CSM, but they were picked by community reps for the respecitve games, and no, the people in those "focus groups" aren't all the ass-kissers on the forums.
Originally by: CCP Dropbear
rofl
edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
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Tiny Montgomery
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Posted - 2010.07.07 23:16:00 -
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CCP should also dump any CSM member who makes personal public attacks against other CSM members. This undermines the CSM in general and makes the whole thing look like more of a joke than it already is. And maybe screen for ***holes while they're at it, and people who make a complete mockery of the process. And if thats not possible, just dump the whole CSM thing.
There are a few CSM members who conduct themselves in an adult, semi-professional, appropriate manner. Some of these other jokers just F everything up. While CCP could benefit from the input of a group that represents large swaths of the player base, what CCP (or the players) don't need is representation from the chuckleheads that lurk in the game. |
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Shakon
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Posted - 2010.07.07 23:17:00 -
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Does it really matter? This CSM is a bigger joke than the rest . See who can give CCP the biggest BJ?
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Elaine Threepwood
D00M. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.07.07 23:19:00 -
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I've abstained on all my chars every single CSM it's a joke
Team Minmatar forums |
Delilah Wild
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Posted - 2010.07.07 23:21:00 -
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Meissa,
Please give some thought before posting denigrating comments about other members of the CSM. Speculation combined with animus only reflects badly on you. Mynxee has scolded you before for this (e.g. spoongate), and many of us expect better from you as one of our CSM representatives.
If it is helpful, consider CCP Fallout's words on a related matter of trolling.
Delilah Wild friendsofeve.wordpress.com
Originally by: Meissa Anunthiel
Not everyone who lives in highsec votes for ankhe. I got many carebear votes (I'm a carebear), as did Teadaze and Dierdra, at the very least... Highsec proposals are not going to fall on the wayside because the one <expletive removed> member.
Actually this should be better without her in the way to emorage on every highsec proposal, that's my opinion.
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Cergorach
Amarr The Helix Foundation
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Posted - 2010.07.07 23:22:00 -
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Could be me, but according to Massively, Eva responded that "I do not share CCP's conclusion that there has in fact been an NDA breach". So...
Who has the popcorn? Unsalted please!
;-)
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Black Dranzer
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Posted - 2010.07.07 23:27:00 -
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I love watching Delilah and Finn. One's rabidly for Ankh, the other is rabidly against. Maybe one day they'll fall madly in love in spite of their political differences and get married or something. Feel good romantic drama of the year!
So, initial reaction: Hahaha, Oh wow.
Secondary reaction:
If this were anybody else on the CSM, I wouldn't so much as bat an eyelid. But the fact that it's Ankh makes me suspicious. Not suspicious that she did something evil or vile, but suspicious that this is just a simple NDA breach. It could be just a complete coincidence that the most talked about and controversial CSM member got blasted for an NDA breach.
Personally, I don't believe in coincidence. -------------------------------------------------- Learning skills are an ultimatum, not a choice. |
JennyD
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Posted - 2010.07.07 23:30:00 -
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OK so we going to lose Ankha from the CSM
she had the second greatest number of votes , with no alliance/corp block vote supporting her. Most of her votes gained by campaining.
In her place we get mazzilliu, voted in with an alliance block vote.
She tried to campaign on the low sec vote ( showed she had no clue about how low sec worked.) her alliances low sec involvement appears to be dropping super caps on a few BS, or smaller ships , for risk free ganks.
Made a cheesy campaign video that basically said `look at me I am a girl , vote for me`
posted on the PL forums that she is not ugly, fat , or stupid so deserves votes (its worth getting a copy of her post )
personally i dont think this will be improving the CSM in any way shape or form.
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Ky Vatta
Majority 12
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Posted - 2010.07.07 23:33:00 -
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IMHO, the whole CSM should be re-run, with bloc-voting disallowed
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Captain Mastiff
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Posted - 2010.07.07 23:38:00 -
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Edited by: Captain Mastiff on 07/07/2010 23:38:09 I guess CCP don't like hearing the truth.
However, her Evemailing spamming was frustrating around CSM election. She should of been globally muted for the spam.
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JitaBum
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2010.07.07 23:39:00 -
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Hold on - this is a CSM member being removed, not just a player of Eve. The CSM is *meant* to represent us, the players. If one them gets removed then we're entitled to a reason why. CCP declared the CSM as a transparent, player-elected body. Thousands of people voted for this person and they deserve to be informed why she's being removed?
CCP = transparent as long as they look good
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Ryhss
Caldari Ominous Corp
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Posted - 2010.07.07 23:40:00 -
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Quote: And her replacement? Another elitist pvp'er, the people that CCP so love to favor.
Good. Seems suitable, being a PvP game and allà It's not just a PVP game, it's a sanbox. You play your way, let the rest of us play our way.
Originally by: Abrazzar I don't know what's going on but I am terribly upset about it.
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