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Clumsy Pilot
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Posted - 2010.07.07 20:50:00 -
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Currently it is next to impossible to use blasters in missions, because you cannot approach the NPC quickly, and end up spending more time chasing npc's then actually shooting them. Many gallente ships have bonuces to mwd, but misisons do not let them be used.
Solution: allow mwd use on ships of sise apropriate to the mission only
The reason mwd use was banned, as i understand it, is that people used to kite damage in frigates. My proposal is to allow use of mwd's on cruisers and up in lvl 2 misisons, bc and up in lvl 3 misions, and BS and up in lvl 4 missions. That will allow gallente to use blasters in missions while not allowing people to use interceptors with mwd's. I would like to note that mwd where allowed for use in all nuyll-security sites, and that does not seem to be a problem, while enabling more interesting pve and hybrid fits/
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darius mclever
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Posted - 2010.07.07 21:29:00 -
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2 things bother me a bit about your proposal: 1. speed tanking rats in a frigate is actually easier with an AB than it would be with a MWD. I run lvl4s solo in an AFs without any problems.
2. if you fit an AB on battleships you should normally be faster than the NPCs. Torp golem with AB is quite fun. I am not saying it would work for all missions. but there are many missions which you can run in a blaster mega or so. damsel, veng (atleast sansha version), the extravaganza missions, assault vs serps. just to name a few.
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Clumsy Pilot
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Posted - 2010.07.07 21:43:00 -
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wI am not sure about the first point, that was named to be as the reason you are not allowed to use MWD in missions. If that reason is not valid, that is one less con.
While you are faster then most npc's with an AB, it takes ages to close in range. For example, let's take a typical gallente battleship, with a t2 ab will go 300-350 m/s, depending on rigs. MOst npc's go 120-200 m/s. That means that you will be aproaching them at speed of 100- 230 m/s (because they will floy away from you), now when you have 20+ npc's to approach, and they orbit you at 40+ km, that's a hell of alot of time you will spend chasing them. ON the other hand, mwd let's you get in range quickly, kill the npc, get to the next one, and so on.
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Tali Z0rah
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Posted - 2010.07.08 00:31:00 -
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or just fit rails and still kill them quicker than a MWD + Blaster setup because you didnt have to fly anywhere to get in range.
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Maxsim Goratiev
Imperial Tau Syndicate Underworld Excavators
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Posted - 2010.07.08 08:41:00 -
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Edited by: Maxsim Goratiev on 08/07/2010 08:40:52 And please tell me why do Gallente have to be robbed of using their main weapon system?
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The Djego
Hellequin Inc. Mean Coalition
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Posted - 2010.07.08 08:50:00 -
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Even if fitting blasters for L4 is completely pointless(and yes I did a Blockade with working MWD in my gank mega while waiting for a raven to log back in), I would like missions that allow the use of the MWD for other reasons.
---- Nerf Tank - Boost Gank!
Originally by: Amantus Real men don't need to get into blaster range.
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Crazy KSK
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Posted - 2010.07.08 09:32:00 -
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darius mclever
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Posted - 2010.07.08 09:46:00 -
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Originally by: Tali Z0rah or just fit rails and still kill them quicker than a MWD + Blaster setup because you didnt have to fly anywhere to get in range.
you have no clue how much more fun missions can be when you dont sit around all the time but actually have to do some flying. thats why all my mission boats are fitted with short range weapons now.
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The Djego
Minmatar Hellequin Inc. Mean Coalition
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Posted - 2010.07.08 10:03:00 -
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Originally by: darius mclever
Originally by: Tali Z0rah or just fit rails and still kill them quicker than a MWD + Blaster setup because you didnt have to fly anywhere to get in range.
you have no clue how much more fun missions can be when you dont sit around all the time but actually have to do some flying. thats why all my mission boats are fitted with short range weapons now.
Doing L4 with a range extended puls Abaddon or Ak Pest is fun and effective, doing it with a blaster mega is just boring and ineffective. ---- Nerf Tank - Boost Gank!
Originally by: Amantus Real men don't need to get into blaster range.
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Krimishkev
Out of Order Cult of War
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Posted - 2010.07.08 13:09:00 -
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Honestly think the Blasters should be revamped. They should get the falloff boost similar to Minmatar weaponry.
Kronos should have a falloff bonus instead of the stasis webifier velocity bonus. With aformention native blaster falloff increase, and Kronos bonused falloff increase it would be more in line with the vargur, golem, and paladin then.
Kronos with blasters is about useless at this point because of blasters horribly limited range.
Vargur is TOP Killer when it comes to level 4 missions, being able to kill favourite missions like Blockade or Pirate Invasion in only one cycle of bounty. Long range fitted Marauders would have trouble being this efficient.
The Maelstrom is also on the top of the board for efficiency of mission running, because of the recent boost to minmatar weapons.
This boost to Matar weapons brought them inline with Caldari and Amarr ships of the same general fitting idea. Medium range gank and tank. Perfect for mission running.
Gallente needs the same love.
The only reason I would ask for microwarp in missions is so I dont have to fly a special fitting to gank someone in low-sec who is in a deadspace complex/mission
TL;DR - Fix Blaster Falloff. Close range guns on slow as hell armor tanked ships? *boggle*
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Maxsim Goratiev
Gallente Imperial Tau Syndicate Underworld Excavators
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Posted - 2010.07.08 13:13:00 -
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Edited by: Maxsim Goratiev on 08/07/2010 13:12:48 While i would love autocanon-class faloff on my blasterships, that would make blasters better autocanons that consume cap, and that we probably don't whant (or so i think).
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Krimishkev
Out of Order Cult of War
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Posted - 2010.07.08 13:35:00 -
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Originally by: Maxsim Goratiev Edited by: Maxsim Goratiev on 08/07/2010 13:12:48 While i would love autocanon-class faloff on my blasterships, that would make blasters better autocanons that consume cap, and that we probably don't whant (or so i think).
The only other way to compensate is by making Gallente ships faster. They lost the brute force of Blaster dps when they lost a significant amount of their speed.
This is why people who don't know any better still fly the skirmish fit Diemos.
I'm not saying make them like autocannons, but I am saying they do need and increase in range, ever since the speed nerf.
A Kronos with Null, hitting at 55KM instead of 33KM for 50% of its maximum DPS would be siffucient I'd say.
Currently a Vargur will hit 50% of its maximum DPS somewhere around 95KM, with 800mm and Barrage.
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Maxsim Goratiev
Gallente Imperial Tau Syndicate Underworld Excavators
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Posted - 2010.07.09 11:52:00 -
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bump, why are we banning use of mwd in missions, therifore limiting the fitting options of mission runners? i see no reason for this.
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Goose99
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Posted - 2010.07.09 15:04:00 -
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It makes it faster for pirates to burn over to you. Then there's direct warp. Gated deadspace sites.
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Ogogov
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Posted - 2010.07.09 16:37:00 -
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Originally by: Maxsim Goratiev Edited by: Maxsim Goratiev on 08/07/2010 08:40:52 And please tell me why do Gallente have to be robbed of using their main weapon system?
+1
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Bagehi
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises Gentlemen's Club
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Posted - 2010.07.09 17:19:00 -
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Originally by: Goose99 It makes it faster for pirates to burn over to you. Then there's direct warp. Gated deadspace sites.
If a dramiel drops into a deadspace pocket, MWD or AB, it is going to catch most things before they can get out.
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Fistme
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Posted - 2010.07.09 17:28:00 -
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Originally by: The Djego Even if fitting blasters for L4 is completely pointless(and yes I did a Blockade with working MWD in my gank mega while waiting for a raven to log back in), I would like missions that allow the use of the MWD for other reasons.
mwd is extremely overly nerfed. Introduce rats with 2pt scrams and allow mwds to be used in deadspace.
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Marked Ugler
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.07.10 16:08:00 -
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Originally by: Fistme
Originally by: The Djego Even if fitting blasters for L4 is completely pointless(and yes I did a Blockade with working MWD in my gank mega while waiting for a raven to log back in), I would like missions that allow the use of the MWD for other reasons.
mwd is extremely overly nerfed. Introduce rats with 2pt scrams and allow mwds to be used in deadspace.
Sure, sounds reasonable.
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Discrodia
Blue Sun Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2010.07.10 16:13:00 -
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Edited by: Discrodia on 10/07/2010 16:14:01 I don't know what game you've been playing, but if you use a little brainpower you can easily run missions in short-ranged weapon setups. Albeit, it takes a bit longer and you have to think a lot more about what you're doing, but it's far from impossible if you have the skills.
And no, MWD's in missions are baaaad. As you said, they do basically let people kite and ignore a lot of damage. (Hell, I have an armor tanked mach that can kite BS's with one T2 AB.) And the fact is, many people have adapted just fine with afterburners, as in most cases the fact is an MWD simply ruins your cap, and cap stability is essential to missioners.
Edit: However, since this does seem like a silly restriction, supported.
Originally by: CCP Adida Wait where am I...
Don't remember a thing from last night.
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Jason Edwards
Internet Tough Guy Spreadsheets Online
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Posted - 2010.07.10 17:21:00 -
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Quote: The reason mwd use was banned, as i understand it, is that people used to kite damage in frigates.
Nope, original reason was that back then you could fit multiple mwds and people would literally fly the 5000km between rooms and they would finish missions super fast.
Since then they've made the distance larger and change it to clearing rooms; not to mention you cant fit multiple mwds.
TBH it doesnt matter. Missions are easy enough as it is.
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