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Zaboth Garadath
Amarr No Limit Productions
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Posted - 2010.07.10 05:50:00 -
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I doubt any of you haven't seen scammers spamming local. Most often, the "Send me Isk I will send back 10x".
However, this is not a question of whether scamming should be allowed. I fully agree that it is part of the game.
However, there are some out there, who use religion to scam with.
Quote: [05:43:44] Good Deal > Im going on a relief trip to Haiti. As a Christian, I believe in giving back. As such, I will be giving away my 13 bil isk to all those who have faith. Send me any amount of isk and I will send you DOUBLE back. Limit 3 per person. PLEASE READ MY BIO!
His Bio:
Quote: Grace to you and peace My name is Ronhard Kelley and I am a proud member of the Prestonwood Baptist Church in Plano, Texas. My entire life has been dedicated to ministry and serving the call to action from the Lord! http://www.Prestonwood.org/plano/inside-prestonwood/foundation/ I am extremely passionate about bringing Jesus into the community of Eve! One of my favorite sayings outside of the Bible is by a fellow brother named Dr. Jack Graham who said ôThe way you change the heart of a community is to change the heart of its men.ö It is a firm belief of mine that by doing right by everyone I honor my God and strengthen the message I preach! (Hebrews 11:1) 1 Now faith is assurance of things hoped for, proof of things not seen. In the spirit of Jesus I believe in giving generously and having faith in the goodness of others. (James 1:6) 6 But let him ask in faith, without any doubting, for he who doubts is like a wave of the sea, driven by the wind and tossed.
So should this be allowed? As far as I can tell, many Christians would be really ****** with someone using their religion to deceive people with.
What do you think?
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Taint
Caldari Knights Of Divinity Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2010.07.10 05:59:00 -
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why not ? had something in school about that jesus guy and i dont care hehe religion is for weak people who needs to have somthing to belive in.
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Domonique Molvoy
Exploitation Inc.
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Posted - 2010.07.10 05:59:00 -
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It sounds legit. Domonique Molvoy Shiptoasting extraordinaire |
Simply Human
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Posted - 2010.07.10 06:02:00 -
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Make a petition if you don't want to see it. Not that it will get you anywhere. |
Sourpsalm
Gallente Pubs 'n Clubs
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Posted - 2010.07.10 06:08:00 -
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Originally by: Zaboth Garadath someone using their religion to deceive people with.
This is just appalling. I simply cannot imagine people doing this; it must just be an EVE thing.
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Angeli Domini
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.07.10 06:21:00 -
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Originally by: Zaboth Garadath However, there are some out there, who use religion to scam with.
Originally by: Zaboth Garadath some out there, who use religion to scam
Originally by: Zaboth Garadath who use religion
Originally by: Zaboth Garadath religion
Originally by: Zaboth Garadath Burn the heaten!
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2010.07.10 06:55:00 -
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I say ban him! He caused a major discussion about religion in local, and me not being sober yet made it hard to follow the discussion as people talk so fast - so no! No religion scams!!
/c
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Taint
Caldari Knights Of Divinity Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2010.07.10 07:00:00 -
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drunk swede :) u in denmark again ?
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BiggestT
Caldari Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2010.07.10 07:23:00 -
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Originally by: Taint why not ? had something in school about that jesus guy and i dont care hehe religion is for weak people who needs to have somthing to belive in.
You're really wise! I want to be like you when I grow up EVE Trivia EVE History
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Jason filigree
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Posted - 2010.07.10 07:23:00 -
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Actually those scams could be prosecuted under the same laws that would apply if I pulled the same scam with US dollars.
The announcement that double your money will be returned can be considered an advertisement and a contract. It takes real time and real effort to collect ISC, and there is an established method to transfer real money to ISC thus ISC is property with value.
There are already precedents in a couple of courts that you can sue for the loss of an in game item lost to a hacker or similar. and get a payment in real money based on the average effort to acquire the item.
the game company is not required to enforce this law but a court could require game logs to be provided for evidence, theoretically a court could require CCP to give the scammers real contact information.
In practice these scammers donÆt get enough for anybody to go to the bother of going threw the courts, pursuing a civil fraud case is expensive and the cops already leave thousands of criminal fraud cases un investigated due to lack of resources.
But if somebody offers to make you a titan if you provide the raw materials, and then fails to deliver. It might be worth the effort.
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Ascendic
Brotherhood of Suicidal Priests R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.07.10 07:24:00 -
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A true christian that was that hardcore would not be playing an internet spaceships game :P
He would be playing God online.
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AterraX
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.07.10 07:42:00 -
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Originally by: Chribba I say ban him! He caused a major discussion about religion in local, and me not being sober yet made it hard to follow the discussion as people talk so fast - so no! No religion scams!!
/c
Just ban religion from the game...problem solved.
Relgion is the sanctuary for those that can't face reality...
.oO(Like I care if someone is butthurt over that his flavour of superstions is being used in a scam...)
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Cey Shirii
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.07.10 07:42:00 -
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It seems like he's almost certainly trying to trick Christians into believing him.
I think it's a very cute way to scam people, and very low. But I think it should be allowed in the game. In real life, people have sometimes relied on religion or other similar methods to scam, and I don't see why it shouldn't be allowed in EVE because you're afraid of "offending" someone.
The whole "I'm going to Haiti" thing is pretty despicable, but that's the nature of EVE. It mimics real life in terms of scamming / politics / player relations. And that's one of the reasons I play the game. Because people have the ingenuity to come up with some really ****ed up methods of scamming and doing unfair things like this. CCP doesn't kick out scammers so long as they operate within the rules of the game.
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Average Jack
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Posted - 2010.07.10 08:23:00 -
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Edited by: Average Jack on 10/07/2010 08:24:48 I endorse this product and/or service.
Seriously though - religion is just one huge scam to begin with so where is the harm in extending this idea into the virtual world?
Only a pitty i didn't think of it first.
Btw. I'm a practacing satanist and need ISK for fresh virgin blood (i heard MMOs are a good place to find this). I'll pay you back 50 times what you loan me. Convo if interested. 100% legit!
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Kai Saito
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Posted - 2010.07.10 08:36:00 -
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Originally by: Average Jack Seriously though - religion is just one huge scam to begin with so where is the harm in extending this idea into the virtual world?
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Ravion Magnus
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.07.10 09:37:00 -
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Well, I'm sorry op but he's really in character as all religions scam.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeSSwKffj9o
George Carlin FTW.
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Zaqar
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2010.07.10 09:38:00 -
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Religion. Helping people survive in a world torn apart by religion. GG, ****s.
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Angeli Domini
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.07.10 09:41:00 -
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This thread will end in tears.
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iP0D
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Posted - 2010.07.10 09:42:00 -
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Religion leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering.
Amarr Victor, a good example.
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Dan O'Connor
Cerberus Network Dignitas.
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Posted - 2010.07.10 09:45:00 -
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It's pretty slippery slope either way and he's using religion to scam. He either has to change his Bio and stop using his "faith" as a precedent to scam, or he shall be gone from the face of New Eden... Thou shall not bear false witness of each other? Or something?
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Guilliman R
Gallente PRO Space Hunters HUNTER'S BROTHERHOOD
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Posted - 2010.07.10 09:46:00 -
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Isn't religion all about deceiving and scamming people? I fail to see the issue. |
Bluefix
Gnu Terror Corps
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Posted - 2010.07.10 09:50:00 -
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Originally by: Guilliman R Isn't religion all about deceiving and scamming people? I fail to see the issue.
I was thinking the same. Prohibiting scams regarding religion would be contradictory. |
lisuuu
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Posted - 2010.07.10 09:56:00 -
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Originally by: Guilliman R Isn't religion all about deceiving and scamming people? I fail to see the issue.
QFT
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Ressiv
Cooperative Freelance Navigators Association
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Posted - 2010.07.10 09:57:00 -
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Originally by: Zaboth Garadath As far as I can tell, many Christians would be really ****** with someone using their religion to deceive people with.
.. no way religion was ever used to gain power and deceive people right ..
I think it's in good spirit with said religion tbh ========================== Nothing is true, everything is permitted. ========================== |
Sokratesz
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Posted - 2010.07.10 10:03:00 -
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Originally by: Zaboth Garadath
However, there are some out there, who use religion to scam with.
This is sooooo tempting. Dammit. á
I think CSM is a pretty cool guy. eh creates e-drama and doesnt afraid of anything. |
Verrenici
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Posted - 2010.07.10 10:06:00 -
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Originally by: Zaboth Garadath
So should this be allowed? As far as I can tell, many Christians would be really ****** with someone using their religion to deceive people with.
haha! The entire Christian faith is based on lies and deception.
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Simeon Tor
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Posted - 2010.07.10 10:26:00 -
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Edited by: Simeon Tor on 10/07/2010 10:27:28 I don't really see how he's using religion, he just said he's christian and that he's going to Haiti. Then he went on to do the most common scam in EVE.
Now if he'd said something like "Send ISK to me and the one true god will spare you from eternal damnation..fire..brimstone..etc" then I think that should take a looking at. But this is hardly anything worth mentioning.
Besides, he's spamming in local. Anything goes there from what I hear.
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Estel Arador
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Posted - 2010.07.10 10:33:00 -
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I believe CCP didn't like people using Hanti to scam players.
I don't see why using religion would be wrong though.
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Sokratesz
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Posted - 2010.07.10 10:35:00 -
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Originally by: Estel Arador I believe CCP didn't like people using Hanti to scam players.
I don't see why using religion would be wrong though.
Exactly, tried and true, oldest and best scam ever. á
I think CSM is a pretty cool guy. eh creates e-drama and doesnt afraid of anything. |
Dravius Luxor
Minmatar Phoibe Enterprises
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Posted - 2010.07.10 10:43:00 -
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Religion is a scam, so why not use it to scam people?
Hundreds of millions of people have been scammed by religion since human history began, if the most you're going to lose is a few isk... I think you're getting off lightly!
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