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Nyanne
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Posted - 2010.07.12 15:54:00 -
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Edited by: Nyanne on 12/07/2010 16:03:55 Edited by: Nyanne on 12/07/2010 16:02:33 Hi there, fellow EVEees!
I was told the other day that I should visually redesign the Gallente Dominix! I mean, let's face it.. The Dominix is by far one of the ugliest ships in EVE. Floating brain head thingy.. Ew! No!
So I figured; why not ask the EVE community a few designbased questions!?
I intend on going all the way with this one; that is:
1. Highpoly modelling in Maya 2. Add detail in Zbrush 3. Lowpoly modelling in Topogun (4. UV in UVLayout) 5. Bake normalmaps in XNormal (As well as AO) (6. Texture and various other maps (specc, glow etc) in Photoshop)
So, what I would like from you is the following: Any specific ships you want me to look at when I do my concepts? Can be any race in EVE, or outside of EVE if you want! Can be style or anything you'd like to see (eg. The M'bari ships from B5 etc).
Let the ideajuices flow!
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Personally, I was thinking of enlongating it a bit; making it look a bit more like the brutix, with a touch of Hyperion thrown in the mix as well. |
Nyanne
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Posted - 2010.07.12 16:02:00 -
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Reserved!
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Feawin
Gallente Northstar Cabal
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Posted - 2010.07.12 16:21:00 -
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Edited by: Feawin on 12/07/2010 16:25:17 How about the Typhoon? I might be treading on some toes here but while the Dominix might need some improvements on its hull (warpaint ftw), my opinion is that the typhoon design needs a complete make-over.
For the Dominix Im thinking, keep the rough shape of it (yea yeah i know, spacepotato) but change the exterior similar to the way ccp changed the design of the Scorpion.
While it may be silly in more ways than one to fit solar-panels on your ships in a time where you have fusion/fission reactors on said ships, it looks kind of cool. The minmatar have plenty of good looking hulls, for example the Hurricane and MAELSTROM, so my suggestion is to keep the minmatar's unique style when redesigning the typhoon, if it ever comes to that.
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Nyanne
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Posted - 2010.07.12 16:39:00 -
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Hmm.. Sure yeah.. The Typhoon is fugly as well, however I was more spec. thinking of the Dominix :P
Any ideas?
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James Vayne
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Posted - 2010.07.12 16:47:00 -
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Edited by: James Vayne on 12/07/2010 16:48:40 A rifter/wolf/jag redesign would be nice to see.
The thing to remember when redesigning these ships is 1) Get rid of the millions of pretty lights. They look like windows and make scale difficult to judge. 2) Include details for cargo bay, etc.
Also, if you're doing Gallente ships, think Art Nouveau, given that Gallente ships have that organic naturalistic look it makes sense.
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James Tritanius
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Posted - 2010.07.12 16:48:00 -
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Edited by: James Tritanius on 12/07/2010 16:48:19 make it vertical!
Also, how likely do you think it would get actually implemented? My guess is 0...
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Nyanne
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Posted - 2010.07.12 17:00:00 -
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Edited by: Nyanne on 12/07/2010 17:00:21
Originally by: James Tritanius Edited by: James Tritanius on 12/07/2010 16:48:19 make it vertical!
Also, how likely do you think it would get actually implemented? My guess is 0...
That it will get implemented? None whatsoever :P
I think you're getting the wrong idea here! I'm doing this for my own sake! I have no illusions whatsoever that it will be implemented :)
When you say vertical, do you mean like the Myrmidon?
But.. Rifter? That ship is a beauty!
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James Vayne
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Posted - 2010.07.12 17:04:00 -
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Originally by: Nyanne Edited by: Nyanne on 12/07/2010 17:00:21
Originally by: James Tritanius Edited by: James Tritanius on 12/07/2010 16:48:19 make it vertical!
But.. Rifter? That ship is a beauty!
Yeah but it needs its turret hardpoints rethinking and would benefit from a bit of tweaking in the texture department and the afterburner department (the shape of.)
The front slats could do with being brought down to a sharper angle (like a vent). Just some ideas :P
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Nyanne
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Posted - 2010.07.12 17:09:00 -
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Originally by: James Vayne
Originally by: Nyanne Edited by: Nyanne on 12/07/2010 17:00:21
Originally by: James Tritanius Edited by: James Tritanius on 12/07/2010 16:48:19 make it vertical!
But.. Rifter? That ship is a beauty!
Yeah but it needs its turret hardpoints rethinking and would benefit from a bit of tweaking in the texture department and the afterburner department (the shape of.)
The front slats could do with being brought down to a sharper angle (like a vent). Just some ideas :P
Hmm yeah.. You may be right about that.
As for what you said before; I'll definately add some dronebay-like openings. Covered over, of course, in some way.. Good idea :)
Got any ideas for shipdesigns that you want it to take influence from? Like the Hyperion? ;)
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James Tritanius
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Posted - 2010.07.12 17:13:00 -
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V E R T I C A L
Like Myrmidon and Naglfar
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Nyanne
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Posted - 2010.07.12 17:20:00 -
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Edited by: Nyanne on 12/07/2010 17:20:14
Originally by: James Tritanius V E R T I C A L
Like Myrmidon and Naglfar
You know.. That could be cool, yeah, but isn't it a bit too far away from the original design? O.o
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Hu6upy
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Posted - 2010.07.12 17:27:00 -
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Dominix, Moros, Gallente Titan has the similar design If changes needed then for all 3 ships.
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Nyanne
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Posted - 2010.07.12 17:32:00 -
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Originally by: Hu6upy Dominix, Moros, Gallente Titan has the similar design If changes needed then for all 3 ships.
To a certain degree, yes.
Maybe throw in some Moros features into the dominix mix..
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EdwardNardella
Capital Construction Research
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Posted - 2010.07.12 17:48:00 -
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Naw vertical is no good for a drone boat, why not flat? CCRES is recruiting pilots who want to live in WSpace/Wormholes. Fill out an application here! |
Nyanne
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Posted - 2010.07.12 17:52:00 -
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Originally by: EdwardNardella Naw vertical is no good for a drone boat, why not flat?
Yah.. I like that more, actually. make it a bit more like the Nyx.. Or Thanatos.
As in, still keep the potato shape (to a certain degree), but add the flat parts as well. Thanks for the tip :)
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James Tritanius
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Posted - 2010.07.12 17:54:00 -
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Squish the large potato that is Dominix into a large flat potato chip (or crisp for you UK people)!
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Zilberfrid
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Posted - 2010.07.12 19:39:00 -
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Originally by: Feawin Edited by: Feawin on 12/07/2010 16:25:17 How about the Typhoon? I might be treading on some toes here but while the Dominix might need some improvements on its hull (warpaint ftw), my opinion is that the typhoon design needs a complete make-over.
While it may be silly in more ways than one to fit solar-panels on your ships in a time where you have fusion/fission reactors on said ships, it looks kind of cool. The minmatar have plenty of good looking hulls, for example the Hurricane and MAELSTROM, so my suggestion is to keep the minmatar's unique style when redesigning the typhoon, if it ever comes to that.
The Phoon and Mammoth need to have their hulls switched. ------------------------------------- I like to fly around and shoot stuff. |
Nyanne
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Posted - 2010.07.12 20:14:00 -
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Originally by: Zilberfrid
Originally by: Feawin Edited by: Feawin on 12/07/2010 16:25:17 How about the Typhoon? I might be treading on some toes here but while the Dominix might need some improvements on its hull (warpaint ftw), my opinion is that the typhoon design needs a complete make-over.
While it may be silly in more ways than one to fit solar-panels on your ships in a time where you have fusion/fission reactors on said ships, it looks kind of cool. The minmatar have plenty of good looking hulls, for example the Hurricane and MAELSTROM, so my suggestion is to keep the minmatar's unique style when redesigning the typhoon, if it ever comes to that.
The Phoon and Mammoth need to have their hulls switched.
This!
Also, thanks for the tips guys n' gals (?)
Will start concepting tonight :) Will post updates every so often..!
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David Grogan
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.07.13 17:27:00 -
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while your at it make the iterons look less like a dildo and more like a hauler should look like.
and make a new catalyst model cos ccp fecked up their model. not only does it not render right ingame but it looks like a wwII bomber missing one wing. SIG: if my message has spelling errors its cos i fail at typing properly :P |
Tacolina
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Posted - 2010.07.13 18:52:00 -
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Heres a bit of a radical idea for the Domi.
Make it the Tristan's bigger brother.
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Joe Starbreaker
M. Corp
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Posted - 2010.07.13 19:31:00 -
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It's a drone carrier, so why not make it like a miniature Nyx/Thanatos?
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Elrinarie
Gallente Scan This
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Posted - 2010.07.13 20:07:00 -
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I've always thought of the domi as a BS version of the nyx/thanatos.
I think it should have kind of like an obvious place for the many drones it carries to jump out of the ship --------------------- Creator of another Mining Calculator |
Nyanne
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Posted - 2010.07.13 22:07:00 -
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Edited by: Nyanne on 13/07/2010 22:07:46 Double post <<
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Gecko O'Bac
H A V O C Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.07.13 22:43:00 -
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Edited by: Gecko O''Bac on 13/07/2010 22:46:06 Wish I had half your sketching skills (and you even say that they aren't your forte either...)
Anyway... Imho you should try for something more radical... Look at the scorpion... Only the very basic lines remained, everything else was changed... So I'd say that the Moby Dix would benefit from:
1) A more streamlined hull line, not so "bumpy" 2) A less "stumped" hull... I mean, more elongated. 3) A visible "flight deck"... Beside isthar and ishkur, which are too small to fit it, it's the only real drone carrier in subcapital range... Something hinting at it would help.
The big head could fit the flight deck easily, just try to not make it so big compared to the rest of the body...
Yours is quite about right, though I'd put the flight deck forward facing, reduce the head a little and perhaps stretch the hull a little longer as well.
About that there are a lot of ships I'd like to be redesigned, but the one which has most potential imho is the raven, if it goes in the same way as the scorp...
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Shreddog
Nova Squad
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Posted - 2010.07.13 23:33:00 -
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Originally by: Nyanne
first pic is done.
Looks really nice! First thing that hit me when I saw it was awesome 'pirate faction domi'
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Nyanne
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Posted - 2010.07.13 23:36:00 -
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Originally by: Gecko O'Bac Edited by: Gecko O''Bac on 13/07/2010 22:46:06 Wish I had half your sketching skills (and you even say that they aren't your forte either...)
Anyway... Imho you should try for something more radical... Look at the scorpion... Only the very basic lines remained, everything else was changed... So I'd say that the Moby Dix would benefit from:
1) A more streamlined hull line, not so "bumpy" 2) A less "stumped" hull... I mean, more elongated. 3) A visible "flight deck"... Beside isthar and ishkur, which are too small to fit it, it's the only real drone carrier in subcapital range... Something hinting at it would help.
The big head could fit the flight deck easily, just try to not make it so big compared to the rest of the body...
Yours is quite about right, though I'd put the flight deck forward facing, reduce the head a little and perhaps stretch the hull a little longer as well.
About that there are a lot of ships I'd like to be redesigned, but the one which has most potential imho is the raven, if it goes in the same way as the scorp...
Hiho!
Thanks for the response!
To be honest, I thought about making it a bit more.. well, I guess different from the original design. But, I feel that completely redoing the whole thing (as in removing the potato-shape) would also remove the dominix feeling. It is a somewhat oldish ship, I just bumped the tech a bit (At least that's what I was going for :P)
As for:
1,2,3) Streamlined Hull; Yeah, I did a few versions (not nearly as detailed :P) that were more nyx-shaped, with a flight deck and all that.. But I never really liked the idea of having forward facing launch bays.. Call me old fashioned, but IF eve was real, then that forward facing launchbay would be a major weakness.. Any ****** capsuler with a raven + torps could hit it from miles away. :P
.. Or I'm just insane.. Actually, that would explain alot.. n_n
Anyways! Most likely I will make a few changes on the fly when I work in Maya. Maybe make it more.. Well, a bit longer and a bit more smooth. As for the flight deck. Maybe! Tell you what, draw a quick sketch of it in paint or whatever (put down as much energy as you'd like!) And I'll see if I can make it fit, some way :)
thanks again! ;D
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James Tritanius
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Posted - 2010.07.14 06:07:00 -
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Edited by: James Tritanius on 14/07/2010 06:08:03
I like your drawing, definitely. It's very good.
However, I'm not too sure about the design. The bulge in the front seems unnatural (maybe it's just the perspective) and I cannot envision its shape in my mind (mainly it's 2D, so it's okay.) For the frontal part, maybe mold it like the Brutix/Erebus with the bulge on the top and the middle part more inward? I don't know.
Nice job, overall! It's magnificent.
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Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
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Posted - 2010.07.14 08:39:00 -
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Really like the pic you created. I fully agree the Dominix needs a little updating.
As aomeone above me said, the bulge at the front is a little big, and that green plate does not have much detail. I think that may be a problem when you move to 3D because you will have this huge green area with not much on it.
If you are still taking suggestions, why not make an opening in the front part to act as a drone bay/launchpad. As the Dominix is such a drone boat, make it the main feature of the ship.
Oh, and dont go verticle.... I like that you have stuck with the old shape.
------------------------ Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer "I've got a couple of Strippers on my ship... and they just love to dance!" ------------------------ |
Nyanne
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Posted - 2010.07.14 09:16:00 -
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Edited by: Nyanne on 14/07/2010 09:18:12
Originally by: Jint Hikaru Really like the pic you created. I fully agree the Dominix needs a little updating.
As aomeone above me said, the bulge at the front is a little big, and that green plate does not have much detail. I think that may be a problem when you move to 3D because you will have this huge green area with not much on it.
If you are still taking suggestions, why not make an opening in the front part to act as a drone bay/launchpad. As the Dominix is such a drone boat, make it the main feature of the ship.
Oh, and dont go verticle.... I like that you have stuck with the old shape.
The reason why the green plate (all of them, except for the center circle, actually) lack detail is because it was 12:30 am and I wanted to get some sleep ;D Otherwise I would most likely have added patterns and the likes, buuuut I do get your point. Even with intricate armor patterns it could potentially et a bit booring...
I'll thing about it, maybe make it into the forward-facing launch bay you're all screaming for :P
Originally by: James Tritanius Edited by: James Tritanius on 14/07/2010 06:08:03
I like your drawing, definitely. It's very good.
However, I'm not too sure about the design. The bulge in the front seems unnatural (maybe it's just the perspective) and I cannot envision its shape in my mind (mainly it's 2D, so it's okay.) For the frontal part, maybe mold it like the Brutix/Erebus with the bulge on the top and the middle part more inward? I don't know.
Nice job, overall! It's magnificent.
The reason why the perspective is messed up is because it's an ortographic picture, that is, a perspective which you would never see in real life (you see the whole side of the ship, from no angle.. A bit hard to explain). I made it this way so that I can use the picc as a side reference when I model it! (See, my insanity ain't that rooted!)
I will most likely smooth the whole ship a bit when I model it. Will see how it turns out.
EDIT: If you want to try and envision the shape a bit better, try and look at the shading more than the overall shape (eg, colors). :) --
Will try and post an update tonight to the model/new picc (haven't made up my mind yet what I want to do today)! If you have any more questions, post and I'll answer as soon as I see 'em!
Thanks for showing interest everyone ;D
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Ezekiel Sulastin
Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.07.14 09:51:00 -
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Originally by: Nyanne
EDIT: The Domi has 6 turret hardpoints, remember, there should be room for them as well! Most likely I'd conveniently place these where needed to up the detail as well :P
Eight, actually, to accommodate Serpentis NPCs.
One thing to keep in mind with your redesign is that the Dominix is VERY old - at least 200 years, going by the description of the Dominix Navy Issue. Although refits as the years went on might inherit more modern design cues, it shouldn't appear to be the contemporary of the Hyperion or even the 20-year-old Megathron ;)
Nice concept, anyways - I'm curious to see how it turns out in 3d :D
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