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Lord Zim
Gallente Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.07.14 09:27:00 -
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Originally by: http://forums.tauceti-federation.com/thread-13823.html -DEFYÆs leadership is constantly harassing TCF diplomats and neighbours with frivolous dramas showing oversized egos and no commonsense
-DEFY's leadership shows a lack of managerial skills in handling their internal relations creating frequent dissensions that causes a loss of membership and participation
I see they haven't improved since I left well over a year ago. I've seriously never been in an alliance or group of people who've given me more elevated bloodpressure than DEFY did. It was horrid.
Oh well.
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Malcanis
Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.07.14 10:21:00 -
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Edited by: Malcanis on 14/07/2010 10:21:00
Originally by: Imigo Montoya
Originally by: Gnosis19 tbh, with the way DEFY treated the NC in the Cloud Ring operation, and all other ops where they expected some level of commitment from your alliance, are you at all surprised with the fact that they have shown you just as much disloyalty and contempt?
DEFY is known for inefficiency, and may I remind you that it's also done its own fair share of backstabbing (as many people who have posted in this thread can attest to).
None of this makes what TCF has done right, but don't play the victim when you're just as guilty as they are.
See you in Jita.
Seeing as I joined Defy just at the conclusion of the CR op, I can't comment on that. However I will comment on what I've seen while in Defi4nt, and that is several members doing nothing *but* NC operations.
In the Tri invasion Defi4nt members were called to fight out of ROIR and did.
In the SC/Kitchen sink invasion Defi4nt members were ordered out of our space and into H-W with minimal rotation time back home to recoup ISK to buy more ships to return to the front line.
I can't say Defy is perfect, I've seen many personality clashes since I joined, and there are a whole lot of n00bs in the alliance, but to be entirely honest I've found it a very welcoming group of players who are now being quite literally shat on by TCF/Goons. Not just the Defi4nt leadership, but every single individual player who for the most part have contributed a lot to the NC (and I have personally seen the contribution that has been made).
Maybe diplomacy has failed, maybe not just yet, but either way to the NC community I say this: make sure you have the full picture before you decide your own course of action in this situation.
Well you cant say you weren't warned. We told you this would happen.
EDIT: BFF FOREVER! amirite?
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
Tito Sajic
Caldari The White Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2010.07.14 10:43:00 -
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Edited by: Tito Sajic on 14/07/2010 10:45:36 WTB: Arc de Triomphe
Will pay handsomely, willing to surrender it to Goons within 8 months.
Will settle for Brooklyn Bridge if Arc de Triomphe is unavailable.
I kid! Group hug!
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Gicer
Gallente New Dawn Corporation Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.07.14 10:59:00 -
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BFF!
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Silmerias
Caldari Le Cercle Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2010.07.14 11:12:00 -
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Official answer to defiant: http://forums.tauceti-federation.com/thread-13823.html
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Propotkin
Caldari Distinguished Gentleman's Boating Club Black Core Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.14 11:22:00 -
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Shame!
The rest of defi4nt have been let down by their drama queen leadership (yes thats redia and kypp). Despite all the flaming that is going on there are some decent people in defi4nt and im sure if they wish to stay in dek then they will be accepted into one of the other decent alliance still here, those pilots will have to learn to fleet up to defend the space which apparently defi still dont do (which is why we left to greener lands) but with decent leadership it doesnt take long to learn
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Imigo Montoya
Gallente THE INSURGENCY DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2010.07.14 11:24:00 -
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Indeed... BFF... Although this is an issue largley internal to Deklein residents, not the NC as a whole (although I see that WI. are also taking advantage of the situation for cheap kills).
TCF have posted this. I would like to point out a few issues as I see them.
"-TCF sold an outpost to DEFY, it took them 8 monthes to pay 15B for it whereas they got plenty of moon ressources (estimated to more than 5B/month of benefit) to do so"
The agreement was to take this long to pay @ 2.5 bill per month, so those who say we "didn't pay our mortgage" have no idea what they're talking about. We kept up our part of the bargain, no?
"-DEFY who was supposed to settle in CR haven't towed the line"
Yeah, there was this little thing with the local inhabitants not really liking us being there. Remind me how the Goons (who are now being given our space) did with holding that same region. Double standards much?
"-Participation of DEFY in DC operations and everyday home defense are almost inexistant"
Huh, have you seen the KBs and Ships/Pods killed around OWXT!?! Not to mention the rest of Dek. Haven't seen much of a show from TCF lately either...
"-DEFYÆs leadership is constantly harassing TCF diplomats and neighbours with frivolous dramas showing oversized egos and no commonsense -DEFY's leadership shows a lack of managerial skills in handling their internal relations creating frequent dissensions that causes a loss of membership and participation"
So you have issues with Defi4nt leadership. Those same "lack of managerial skills" have created an environment where players will either HTFU or GTFO. Seems like a lot have chosen the later. Anyway, not such a great reason to attack a blue alliance over a disagreement.
With BCA, TNT, OWN, TEST and TCF camping the OWXT station and shooting Defi4nt members, it's a little tricky for any sort of evacuation in an "ordely and responsible fashion".
0.0 has been a great learning experience for me in human nature, now even more so.
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Tertiacero
Caldari Egotistical Space Captains WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2010.07.14 11:30:00 -
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I think the underlying issue that players in defy don't understand is as such:
You are a a horrible alliance with horrible leadership and you've been the laughingstock of eve for years.
This probably should have happened a long time ago.
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Sroasa
Gallente Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2010.07.14 11:39:00 -
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Apparently the TCF left something off the list of problems, short attention spans.
Originally by: Imigo Montoya
With BCA, TNT, OWN, TEST and TCF camping the OWXT station and shooting Defi4nt members, it's a little tricky for any sort of evacuation in an "ordely and responsible fashion".
From the TCF post:
Originally by: TCF diplomat dude
OWXT station is bubbled and DEFY is red to DC for the time it ll take to get TCF SOV in systems at least. Please DEFY pilots don't undock.
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StuRyan
Caldari Red White and Blue R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.07.14 11:50:00 -
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Good luck to the members of defy who gave a rats arse!
Sorry to see the relationship has broken down with TCF. I have my own opinion on the short commings that I dont want to discuss here, needless to say:some points I agree on in the foreposts, a lot of stuff that is not mentioned which should be.
I hope the team players find a solution qiuckly.
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Tomcat
Gallente Navy of Xoc Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.07.14 11:58:00 -
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Indeed... BFF... Although this is an issue largley internal to Deklein residents, not the NC as a whole (although I see that WI. are also taking advantage of the situation for cheap kills).
Actually we are one of the only alliance to still have you blue. Good effort though.
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Imigo Montoya
Gallente THE INSURGENCY DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2010.07.14 12:22:00 -
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Originally by: Tomcat Indeed... BFF... Although this is an issue largley internal to Deklein residents, not the NC as a whole (although I see that WI. are also taking advantage of the situation for cheap kills).
Actually we are one of the only alliance to still have you blue. Good effort though.
My apologies, I was going by this. Could be an isolated incident then.
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Manfred Sideous
Amarr H A V O C Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.07.14 13:26:00 -
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This is NC. ______________________________
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Musical Fist
Gallente NAP Coalition
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Posted - 2010.07.14 13:58:00 -
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Vaguard first then Defi4nt hmm I wonder who will be next I think I will think on my own for a few moments on the lawn while I try to work this out --
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Imigo Montoya
Gallente THE INSURGENCY DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2010.07.14 14:02:00 -
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Originally by: Musical Fist Vaguard first then Defi4nt hmm I wonder who will be next I think I will think on my own for a few moments on the lawn while I try to work this out
Lol, I was wondering how long it would take you to show up...
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ThrashPower
Gallente Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.07.14 14:40:00 -
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I get why you would kick defy out of OWXT, but why would you insert a much worse alliance in their place? :TCF:
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Kieselguhr Kid
Amarr GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.07.14 15:05:00 -
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the most hilarious thing about shooting the station last night is that there were about 15 of us there (as we'd found out about the TCF reset ~30 minutes *after* it happened) compared to about 150 BCA/OWN
they literally hate you so much half their alliance turned out to shoot station services
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Bismaru RELOADED
Amarr DEVIL'S SOULDEAD SS Circle of Steel
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Posted - 2010.07.14 15:26:00 -
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In a shocking turn of events NC once again betray its loyal members poor defourant but you were warned, how many pets have shared the same fate as iron and council now I guess once they never needed you as a meat shield they decided to get rid of you,..
I am sure in the next invasion they will welcome you back with open arms,..
Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel
Does Snot shot and General asspoops eat poo poo and do they do it in the same cup or not ?
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Selma Body
Amarr Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2010.07.14 15:28:00 -
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GTFO DEFY, I have curtains to hang.
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Aenosha Dawne
Amarr Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.07.14 16:27:00 -
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Originally by: Selma Body GTFO DEFY, I have curtains to hang.
Nothing like a bunch of testies to class the joint up!
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Alexzandros
Caldari The Blue Dagger Mercenery Agency Imajiaca
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Posted - 2010.07.14 16:37:00 -
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Since I can't be up there personally to blow them up. I offer any resident of the north the following. (Unless NC wants to set me blue so I can come join in the fun)
10,000,000 isk for the frozen corpse of Ms Kypp 12,000,000 isk for the corpse and you are the one with the killmail 20,000,000 isk for the corpse and her flying something for me to get a giggle out of.
Sames goes for redia.
Offer is good for one corpse, first to contact me. This is my main.
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Gnosis19
Caldari The Blue Dagger Mercenery Agency Imajiaca
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Posted - 2010.07.14 16:40:00 -
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Edited by: Gnosis19 on 14/07/2010 16:44:58 I, too, am making an offer.
10,000,000 for any killmail with a DEFY member killing Ms Kypp 30,000,000 if Ms Kypp is in a battleship or up 50,000,000 if you kill her battleship or T2 cruiser with a tech 1 frigate
If the ship she's in is unfitted or unrigged (Kypp doesn't fly without rigs), it doesn't count.
Also, limited API needed so I know you didn't doctor it. :P
Edit: Changed the top prize to 50m and bottom to 10m.
Offer limited to one lucky DEFY member (think of it as part of the ship replacement she owes you). -- Gnosis19, CEO ICHIZOKU |
FOEHAMMER006
Caldari Domini Umbrus DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2010.07.14 17:41:00 -
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I have to say, it is kind of funny reading this thread and watching Goonies thump their chest, but all in all they needed people to hand them space? Lol. --------------------------------
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Selma Body
Amarr Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2010.07.14 17:51:00 -
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Edited by: Selma Body on 14/07/2010 17:51:58
Originally by: FOEHAMMER006 I have to say, it is kind of funny reading this thread and watching Goonies thump their chest, but all in all they needed people to hand them space? Lol.
Yes they give goons/test space free that they made you pay for.
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Altaica Amur
Gallente The Elliance
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Posted - 2010.07.14 17:59:00 -
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Quote: So you have issues with Defi4nt leadership. Those same "lack of managerial skills" have created an environment where players will either HTFU or GTFO. Seems like a lot have chosen the later. Anyway, not such a great reason to attack a blue alliance over a disagreement.
Do you really believe this? That Kypp and Redia tell those who don't participate to GTFO and actually -do- something to make that happen?
I spent some time in Defy myself, long enough to see Defy's peak in competence in the evicting of Tri, then it's subsequent proving time and time again that that one moment was nothing but a fluke through the whole CR campain. During this period of months I think there was only one corp who was removed from Defy by leadership, every other corp left out of disgust with the leadership or having sated their need for isk after mining and ratting in Dek for most of their presence.
Kypp and Redia did little to encourage anyone to HTFU and nothing to insure people GTFO if they didn't, indeed I'm fairly sure they wouldn't know and recognize what 'HTFU' looks like, as displayed in their view of IZK and their members back during the CR campain.
The only thing I'm suprised at is that it took this long for TCF to get to this point and that after all the BS Defy has been up to that they're being as patient and forgiving as they are. This move is clearly aimed at Defy leadership as seen here:
"-some DEFY pilots are really involved in DC/NC's operations and committed We recognize this and wish to prevent those pilots from suffering the consequences of their leadership flaws."
So to those poor sods left in Defy I can't say strongly enough to stop listening to the BS Redia and Kypp spew the same Redia that did this: "Redia(DEFY CEO) kicked Aranthil(TCF diplo) from deklein diplomatic channel" Get some real information from all sides and make your own decision instead of following the leadership right over a cliff.
http://forums.tauceti-federation.com/thread-13823.html for reference is where the quotes are from
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FOEHAMMER006
Caldari Domini Umbrus DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2010.07.14 17:59:00 -
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Originally by: Selma Body Edited by: Selma Body on 14/07/2010 17:51:58
Originally by: FOEHAMMER006 I have to say, it is kind of funny reading this thread and watching Goonies thump their chest, but all in all they needed people to hand them space? Lol.
Yes they give goons/test space free that they made you pay for.
Trust me, I wouldn't pay for crappy french space. But sure!
But hey, maybe to solve things I'll re-invite their dipo to the channel? Maybe that will fix things? Or is butt hurting still happening? --------------------------------
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Gnosis19
Caldari The Blue Dagger Mercenery Agency Imajiaca
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Posted - 2010.07.14 18:23:00 -
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Originally by: FOEHAMMER006
Originally by: Selma Body Edited by: Selma Body on 14/07/2010 17:51:58
Originally by: FOEHAMMER006 I have to say, it is kind of funny reading this thread and watching Goonies thump their chest, but all in all they needed people to hand them space? Lol.
Yes they give goons/test space free that they made you pay for.
Trust me, I wouldn't pay for crappy french space. But sure!
But hey, maybe to solve things I'll re-invite their dipo to the channel? Maybe that will fix things? Or is butt hurting still happening?
DEFI4-4NT already paid for 'crappy french space', first through renting from TCF and second through buying an outpost and exclusive rights to a system which has now been forcefully removed from you. -- Gnosis19, CEO ICHIZOKU |
Alexzandros
Caldari The Blue Dagger Mercenery Agency Imajiaca
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Posted - 2010.07.14 18:30:00 -
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I'll say one thing DEFY members sure are great for, and that's limiting diplomatic options even further by insulting the very group that has a cap fleet along with god knows how many other people who are happy to finally be rid of them sitting right outside their station.
If I were TCF et al right now, I'd be removing the option to grant you safe passage out at all and just start popping you as you undock.
See my offer above for a Ms Kypp Corpse.
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Mareck001
Caldari Distinguished Gentleman's Boating Club Black Core Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.14 18:37:00 -
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'bout time they went the way of the dodo.
Kypp and Redia have finally screwed the pooch so hard, they got their just desserts!
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The PitBoss
Caldari Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers The 0rphanage
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Posted - 2010.07.14 19:23:00 -
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Originally by: CONCORD The 0rphanage has declared war on DEFI4NT. Within 24 hours fighting can legally occur between those involved. For your convenience we have included the appropriate CONCORD War Rules: ...
[DEFY] We welcome you to EMPIRE with open arms ...
Thank-You,
The Pitboss
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