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CCP Tanis
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Posted - 2010.07.14 19:36:00 -
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Howdy folks,
Over the last year or so, we've been running a community-based testing project we call "Mass-Testing", on Singularity. While we've gotten a lot of good results from this, we're still not quite happy with the player turnout to these events. I'd like to make things a bit interesting, so I'm offering a bet to the entire EVE playerbase:
"I don't think you can 'bring it'.. so prove me wrong!"
!*! The Bet !*!
IF: In each of the next 3 mass-tests, after the one tomorrow, we have 500+ players show up and participate; I will do one of the following:
(you'll get to vote for which one, if I lose.. I will then post pics on the forums as proof)
- Wear a kilt and war-paint
- Dress up as an exotic dancer for the next CCP staff-meeting
- Answer petitions for a day, wearing a wig, dress, and high-heels
- Dye my hair pink
How can you get involved?
- First, read this thread. It has lots of info about testing, how to get onto Sisi, and what it being tested.
- Second, join the "mass-testing info" mailing list on TQ. We send periodic updates and info about test events to this list, which ends up directly into your in-game mail box.
- Otherwise, just hop on Sisi next time you hear about a mass-test event. Anyone with an active Sisi account is always welcome to join in!
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RentableMuffin
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Posted - 2010.07.14 19:41:00 -
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kilt and warpaint, I feel like you would do that anyways and is probably the least embarrassing exotic dancer, hmmm cross dressing more cross dressing pink hair, how do we know you wont borrow the pink wig? although I guess this one is a bit more lasting
probably going to have to vote for answer petitions for a day, wearing a wig, dress, and high-heels
someone has to answer them sometime!
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Iazma Moroi
Uchal
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Posted - 2010.07.14 19:42:00 -
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Edited by: Iazma Moroi on 14/07/2010 19:44:23 umad Tanis?
Originally by: CCP Tanis ...we're still not quite happy with the player turnout to these events...
Maybe because there has been no significant (if any) result of these tests.
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Milo Caman
Gallente Anshar Incorporated
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Posted - 2010.07.14 19:43:00 -
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Am totally sad panda I can't make the first one. Is a better incentive than 'We can fix lag' though ---
Originally by: Sarina Berghil I think the reason your guns didn't work is because you're trying to hunt squirrels with Howitzers.
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Auri Hella
Downwind Trading Guild
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Posted - 2010.07.14 19:44:00 -
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Hey look over there!
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Yakumo Smith
Gallente No End To Infinity Fleetingly Finite
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Posted - 2010.07.14 19:47:00 -
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hmmm sounds like you'd positively "hate" to be "forced" to dress up as a lady going by the options.
I suppose this must be my sig. I'll do something cool with it eventually. |
ghosttr
Amarr Muppet Factory WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2010.07.14 19:47:00 -
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Nah you should definalty do 1&2, exoctic dancer with warpaint! Prospecting! |
SammyullJackson
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Posted - 2010.07.14 19:48:00 -
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Originally by: Iazma Moroi Edited by: Iazma Moroi on 14/07/2010 19:44:23 umad Tanis?
Originally by: CCP Tanis ...we're still not quite happy with the player turnout to these events...
Maybe because there has been no significant (if any) result of these tests.
And that might be because they don't get enough participants to test whatever changes they made in an effective manner to release on TQ.
And so the circle is completed...
I say that everyone here just participate in this one. Just one, to begin with. If CCP gets their act together and posts a devblog or posts some sort of feedback saying "thanks to the turnout, we were able to successfully test such and such change in the coding", that should show everyone that these tests have a purpose.
If you don't show up, well, the pot thought it was pretty clever to call the kettle black.
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CCP Tanis
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Posted - 2010.07.14 19:48:00 -
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We'll also accept suggestions for what else I could do if I lose this wager, from you fine folks.
I admit, the cross-dressing and kilt-wearing aren't quite enough options for my liking either. But that's what you get when you ask a bunch of tired GMs for ideas :p. So, what can you think of that's better, and can you "bring it"?.
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Andreus LeHane
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2010.07.14 19:48:00 -
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Exotic dancer. CCP staff meeting.
DO IT. -----
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Obsidian Hawk
RONA Legion
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Posted - 2010.07.14 19:51:00 -
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OMG!!!
*bows to tanis* I feel honored that you have read my thread and took the idea to the extreme!
CCP TANIS FTW!
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Gogela
Freeport Exploration
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Posted - 2010.07.14 19:55:00 -
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I think pink hair dye requires bleaching of the hair first, and will be hard to reverse. Pink hair dye FTW is my vote ------------------------------------
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Kuolematon
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2010.07.14 20:08:00 -
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Oh oh! I know!
How about ..
.. You actually LISTEN TO YOUR PLAYERS and READ BUG REPORTS AND FIX 'EM?
Sick, I KNOW!
"The Amarr are the tanking and ganking floating rods of goldcrap"
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Ava Starfire
Minmatar Nordanverdr Modr
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Posted - 2010.07.14 20:10:00 -
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How about one of them damnable elves with purple skin and humungus ears from that "other" MMO.
Bonus internets for wearing a huge nametag that says 'HAI MY RL NAME IZ..."
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Exploding Tukey
Gallente Capital Construction Research Pioneer Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.14 20:11:00 -
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All 4 options you suggested involve you dressing in a skirt of sorts... Were these your ideas?
Is there anything we should know about, CCP Tanis?
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CCP Tanis
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Posted - 2010.07.14 20:24:00 -
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The ideas came from the EVE Content and GM teams. I'm not sure why they're so fixated on me being in a dress, but who am I to question their insane desires?
Feel free to suggest your own as well. If I lose, we'll add the most popular suggestion (assuming it's feasible) into the options for voting at the end.
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Abdiel Kavash
Caldari Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2010.07.14 20:28:00 -
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How about, uhm... FIXNG THE LAG? Isn't that the whole point of the damn thing? Or at least keep the players updated on the state of affairs. Something as simple as "we have started experiencing issues with 450 people online, if we get 500 we will get conclusive data" shhould be enough.
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el caido
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2010.07.14 20:29:00 -
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Can 'use the results of the mass tests to fix lag' be an option? That would be swell.
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Kragden
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Posted - 2010.07.14 20:34:00 -
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Originally by: el caido Can 'use the results of the mass tests to fix lag' be an option? That would be swell.
Gotta wait at least 18 months
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Zso Sahal
Minmatar Multiverse Academy
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Posted - 2010.07.14 20:35:00 -
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I've got a better idea.
How about you post, or get another dev to post an actual response to how you guys complete blew off the CSM. Those minutes are a joke, and I'm getting tired of waiting for an answer from you guys.
This way, you get to have a bunch of people in the Mass Test, and we don't get jerked around. /win
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Ressiv
Cooperative Freelance Navigators Association
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Posted - 2010.07.14 20:38:00 -
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Edited by: Ressiv on 14/07/2010 20:39:34 You have balls, I have to give you that.
Also, it shows either confidence in competence on getting **** done, or a desperate attempt to get people on the mass test event.
I hope you realised before posting that if we manage to get you to live up to this, there will be no more valid reasons for not getting it done ...
I'll be there. And we dont want pictures, we want fraps!
My vote goes to: Commitment to excellence promo vid featuring you as you, explaining how and what got done due to this.
I dont care to see you in a dress, I'd like to be able to link to that vid and know we can have faith in you guys, without having to rely wild guesses as to if you guys are still on track. ... then again ... it could be funny to have you do that as an exotic dancer.
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Baroshi Hynas
Gallente Powder and Ball Alchemists Union Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2010.07.14 21:09:00 -
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TBH I REALLY like the exotic dancer bit (if we get pics), but I like that people pointed out that we'd all really like to see some benefit of mass testing on Sisi.
As for incentives (which I also think that the knowledge that joining these tests will actually help find ways to reduce fleet fight lag is a good one) how about something for the players? Maybe if we got something like... oh.. I don't know... more free sp ... more people would be interested to joining.
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Nika Dekaia
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Posted - 2010.07.14 21:24:00 -
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<3 CCP Tanis
My main and alts will be there.
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Chaos Incarnate
Faceless Logistics
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Posted - 2010.07.14 21:30:00 -
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as much as i secretly enjoy public embarrassment of other people, I vote for something cool and/or nerdy. something like the zulupark q&a thread (from however long ago that was) where you have to answer our stupid and/or inane questions, especially about lag. _____________________ Horrors! Demons in the deep! |
Merouk Baas
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.07.14 21:46:00 -
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Don't see the point in torturing you; none of the stuff you're suggesting is interesting to me.
If you want participation for a game-related thing (stress-testing), then reward with in-game stuff. Ideas:
- give everyone who participates in the mass tests a free day of subscription to their account.
- implement some sort of achievement points / medal / recognition for participating in these scheduled stress- or bug-test sessions (these should be visible on the TQ character, for brag rights).
- re-invent the Lottery system, limited to the stress-testers only, and with the prize(s) being something from the EVE Store (T-shirts, mugs, whatever).
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Ninetails o'Cat
League of Super Evil
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Posted - 2010.07.14 21:49:00 -
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How about you fix rockets in exchange for us helping?
That seems fair enough.
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Cailais
Amarr THE ORDAINED
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Posted - 2010.07.14 21:50:00 -
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What happens if 'we' lose the bet?
Public humiliation is always a good spectator support so I'll try and join the fray!
C.
the hydrostatic capsule blog
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Berserkeren
Minmatar Payable on Death
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Posted - 2010.07.14 21:53:00 -
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How is this different from what you usually do CCP Tanis?
I think this is a scam!
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EdFromHumanResources
Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.07.14 21:53:00 -
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How about you reward us by not ignoring the CSM and thousands of players telling you to stop producing a dozen meaningless new trinkets each year and fix what's already in the ****ing game?
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terra773
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Posted - 2010.07.14 21:55:00 -
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I think for 500-999 involved players, Tanis will have to do one of those options, and for 1000+, do one the the mentioned things, and open up Jove space for a week, or remove a security ratings on all systems and have a Day of Chaos!
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Bod09s
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Posted - 2010.07.14 21:56:00 -
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with Wear a kilt and war-paint
i want to see Brave heart scene and speach,
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FireT
Gallente Royal Advanced Industries Imperial Crimson Legion
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Posted - 2010.07.14 21:59:00 -
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Make it easy for me to join and I will honestly will be for every testing when time allows.
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sex swab
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Posted - 2010.07.14 21:59:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Tanis Howdy folks, !*! The Bet !*!
IF: In each of the next 3 mass-tests, after the one tomorrow, we have 500+ players show up and participate; I will do one of the following:
(you'll get to vote for which one, if I lose.. I will then post pics on the forums as proof)
- Wear a kilt and war-paint
- Dress up as an exotic dancer for the next CCP staff-meeting
- Answer petitions for a day, wearing a wig, dress, and high-heels
- Dye my hair pink
BAH!
make it more interesting, as i won't have any good come out of it for myself or any other players should you loose... no offense but none of the above remotely interest me
how bout some incentive!!!
prizes or something of eve monetary value, seriously, i go to take up more hdd space for something i barely ever bother to do, you need to give me more than i'll change my clothes or hair color for a day, so far away form you that you wont even know it, seriously m8
try a bit more monetary value to it and you may get better results
A for effort, go for that A+
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S'qarpium D'igil
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Posted - 2010.07.14 21:59:00 -
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How about you agree to a no-holds barred interview where you answer any and all questions posed to you regarding EVE development, etc without holding back?
Nobody cares if you dress up... we want results and honest responses without "dressing up" the truth the sound nicer than it is.
If CCP isn't going to be honest with its customers, I see no reason to volunteer my free time to do their work for them. You won't see me at the mass test unless you give us something of value in return.
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Safi Lorendia
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Posted - 2010.07.14 22:00:00 -
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I reckon you have to hug your boss while wearing a thong and bra only! And screen shot or it didnt happen ;)
Or
You have todo the full works ie; make up, dress, heels and wig ect and serve coffee all day to the dev team who work so hard to let all of us wonderful people blow stuff up ;)
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Sour reaper
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Posted - 2010.07.14 22:00:00 -
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why not do something better? Such as bonus sp for those who do show up for testing, or rare ships, several millon isk, honestly im not big in seeing pics of men in drag. I'm sure that We The Players are getting benefits in the scheme of things in the results of these tests, but they are not making isk or improving standings or getting immedate benefits from testing. So why not make it a little more benifical for them???
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CCP Molock
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Posted - 2010.07.14 22:05:00 -
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Originally by: Safi Lorendia I reckon you have to hug your boss while wearing a thong and bra only! And screen shot or it didnt happen ;)
Knowing his boss, something very disturbing would arise from this scenario, IYKWIMAITYD...
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Mud Dawg
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Posted - 2010.07.14 22:09:00 -
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How about a Mass Test Lottery? Make it for the Mass Test, get a chance to be awarded a faction BS or a cruiser or even a t3 cruiser to be awarded your character. Or a plex? Or even multiple winners... top winners get three plexes, second gets 2, third gets 1, 4-6 gets a faction cruiser, and 7-10 get a faction frig. Or something along those lines.
A meaninful prize will make for a meaningful turnout.
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Batolemaeus
Caldari Vauryndar Dalharil
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Posted - 2010.07.14 22:11:00 -
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I'd just like to see CCP higher ups sing karaoke on morsus mihi ts.
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EdFromHumanResources
Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.07.14 22:12:00 -
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These "rewards" are pretty much an insult for anyone that actually wants this game fixed
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Stratigic
Empire Assault Corp Dead Terrorists
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Posted - 2010.07.14 22:12:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Molock
Originally by: Safi Lorendia I reckon you have to hug your boss while wearing a thong and bra only! And screen shot or it didnt happen ;)
Knowing his boss, something very disturbing would arise from this scenario, IYKWIMAITYD...
Well, with that being said,
a one man band kit that's designed to be discreet with matari stickers all over the drums etcetc
whilst having a matari haistyle assuming he has long enough hair
with a caldari plasic gun in his hands walking in
whilst having "the little pirate that could" booklet in his back pocket (in plain sight)
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Bismaru RELOADED
Amarr DEVIL'S SOULDEAD SS Circle of Steel
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Posted - 2010.07.14 22:13:00 -
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Edited by: Bismaru RELOADED on 14/07/2010 22:15:01
Originally by: CCP Tanis
!*! The Bet !*!
IF: In each of the next 3 mass-tests, after the one tomorrow, we have 500+ players show up and participate; I will do the following:
Fix lag
I will so show up now,..
Oh dear god I just read the thread and I agree with Ed,..
Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel
Does Snot shot and General asspoops eat poo poo and do they do it in the same cup or not ?
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simon perry
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Posted - 2010.07.14 22:15:00 -
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100M & I will come.
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Zso Sahal
Minmatar Multiverse Academy
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Posted - 2010.07.14 22:15:00 -
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Originally by: EdFromHumanResources These "rewards" are pretty much an insult for anyone that actually wants this game fixed
This. I couldn't care less if you b*ggered your boss on camera. I do want the game I love fixed.
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Obsidian Hawk
RONA Legion
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Posted - 2010.07.14 22:16:00 -
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Wow, you guys are whiny and greedy. so that being said, you should really read your posts, my nieces and nephews don't whine as much as you guys do.
Anyway the benefit - finally finding that lag monster on the server side and kill it. If that isn't a benefit enough then go back to that one game that mr t plays.
Other rewards - did you guys not read his entire post? ships and sp to play around with on test server? I remember the day ccp staff put guardian vexors on the market on the test server. Epic lag and hilarity ensued.
Well why not just watch fleet fights on TQ and fix it from there? - sorry kids fixing stuff doesn't work like that. I know people in fleet fights aren't running the famous Logserver which gives ccp detail realtime reports of how your machine, client and communication with the server. So unless 0.0 runs logserver during fleet fights and turn it in to ccp....... #2 Do you guys really want ccp testing fixes live on tq? Seriously are you that dumb?
You guys say ccp are making no effort to fix stuff, there is a dev blog and other stuff proving that they are, but you take it and slap them in the face, and tell them to fix it. It's really kinda insulting to them. BUT the more effort we put into helping them find the lag problem the faster they can get off that project and get to the back log of changes. DID not a single one of you think that they have a lot of people trying to fix the problem? That they would rather be fixing the back log of changes than finding why lag is happening?
/end rant
Finally - I agree with the braveheart at the office, but change it for CCP defending it from the creators of that one game company. And record it.
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Borun Tal
Minmatar Virtual Rock Industries
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Posted - 2010.07.14 22:16:00 -
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1) Kilt and warpaint. :) Pictures or it never happened. 2) Where I can help out? I really want to see these pictures! :) 3) What would make it better is if all the CCP hotshots dress the same. :)
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Aldarica
Spinal Discipline
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Posted - 2010.07.14 22:17:00 -
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Originally by: Ava Starfire How about one of them damnable elves with purple skin and humungus ears from that "other" MMO.
This, definitely
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Amy Garzan
Gallente The Warp Rats Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2010.07.14 22:17:00 -
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Quote: How about, uhm... FIXING THE LAG? Isn't that the whole point of the damn thing? Or at least keep the players updated on the state of affairs. Something as simple as "we have started experiencing issues with 450 people online, if we get 500 we will get conclusive data" shhould be enough.
That or fix FW or half the other bugs.
Oh wait, you told that to CSM that it cant be done. Quit F-ing with Incarna and maybe you wouldnt need this as youd have it fixed by now.
You dont need people to fix bugs. Seriously if I wanna see a guy in a dress Ill do it myself. Ive done it before. -------------------------------------------------- 101010 The Answer to Life, The Universe, and Everything |
Helicity Boson
Amarr The Python Cartel. The Jerk Cartel
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Posted - 2010.07.14 22:23:00 -
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Edited by: Helicity Boson on 14/07/2010 22:24:34 Friendly amusing topic backfires and critically hits enthusiastic (and innocent) CCP employee for 10000 cynical disapproval.
You wanna reward us? Tell your bosses to fix the damned game instead of playing with digital ken and barbie dolls.
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tina tick
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Posted - 2010.07.14 22:27:00 -
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i got a good one remove every hair on your body head and all and due next year turny hair less in a speedo on live webcam so all can see
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Hermitian Conjugate
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Posted - 2010.07.14 22:28:00 -
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How about offering in-game incentives? Maybe credit the account with the amount of time a player spends helping test? Isk? Something...
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Kanein Encanto
Gallente Azure Horizon
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Posted - 2010.07.14 22:46:00 -
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Edited by: Kanein Encanto on 14/07/2010 22:47:56 You want to get people to swarm onto Sisi, maybe try offering up the chance to buy & fly Polaris frigates (on Sisi) for an hour or so after the scheduled testing, and Jove ships for 24 hours or so following the testing. I wouldn't go so far as making the GM-equipment for the Polaris available, but some Jove modules would be interesting enough maybe. And after 24 hours just clear them from the market, hangars, & space. Bring 'em back again for the next test.
*edit* And only offer the chance to fly them for duration of the test within the system you've designated. Maybe just disable the outbound part of the gates for that system for the duration of the testing, then let 'em loose.
Just a thought.
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SammyullJackson
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Posted - 2010.07.14 22:47:00 -
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Edited by: SammyullJackson on 14/07/2010 22:52:40 Lighthearted thread (with a smattering of real content, namely the SP on SiSi bit) turns into raging hatred at CCP for reasons already covered (and debatable) in other threads. And you all wonder why CCP doesn't like looking on the forums.
ITT: People ignore the fact that to test measures to prevent/reduce lag (or whatever client-side changes they're doing), you need many people to create a laggy environment and/or try out these changes. Instead, they all say 'hurr well ccp won't do anything anyway' when every other mass test seems to have been something less than massive, thus negating the effects of testing such changes to the server code/programming/what-the-****-ever.
If you hate CCP/EVE so much, then unsubscribe. You can subscribe again when they fix whatever issue you have. It's not a difficult concept. If you stay, despite all of your "well, against my better judgment, I resubscribed and hope for the best BUT CCP needs to..." posts. CCP isn't going to do **** about balancing stuff, or fixing existing features; they're committing their resources to Dust and Incarna for the time being. I'm not going to say I agree with this decision, nor even that I like it, but I accept it as something that they chose to do. I'm grateful they don't have as much of a disconnect from us as other companies do. It comes with having only one franchise (and, for the moment, game) to worry about, but the point remains, few other companies are as willing to get customer feedback -- and respond directly to it, proving that they aren't just filtering all our emails through a machine -- directly to the players, even if they don't ever change anything. As that picture (don't have it atm, it was the one with the CCP Troll) says, every expansion: some things change. Some things stay the same. That's the way it's been since the beginning, and I'll be damned if that's not the way they stay.
TL;DR -- Harden the **** up, or quit EVE. Your choices are really obvious, at least to me. If you think the first option is too demanding, that "BAAAWWWW ROCKETS ARE BROKEN" or "FW SUCKS THIS IS STUPID" or "PI IS A WASTE OF TIME I WANT LOW-SEC MADE BETTER", then just leave now. I think it's pretty clear at this point in time that you're not going to get any of this **** anytime soon.
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Cyrus Doul
Cosmic Vacum Cleaners
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Posted - 2010.07.14 22:48:00 -
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Edited by: Cyrus Doul on 14/07/2010 22:50:08 Idk if they could get the game to act this way. but i know if they are just looking for sheer number of people to come to the mass tests, just give everyone all level five skills for the day and spawn all the faction ships. If you do that ton of people will get on the server. Then just take attendance at the mass test (pop of system/ pop of server) if that hits an acceptable number keep the free ships in for a day or two then remove them. Rinse and repeat. So far all these mass tests are to fight lag IIRC and we are not seeing the lag disappear so if you want to get players on give them prizes quantifiable to them. Instead of tanis pretending he doesn't already do these things...
This is barring that to reverse the give outs you have to remap. that would bloooow if remaps were happening every week or so and I keep having to train cap con four and hauling mom parts.
Or maybe add in an option for not spending the next 18 months adding crap and just fix things we want. quality != quantity.
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EdFromHumanResources
Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.07.14 22:48:00 -
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You obviously haven't read the blogs, they already said the problem with the lag is *not* client side. These tests are for client side ****.
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FatFreddy
ANZAC ALLIANCE IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.14 22:50:00 -
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Edited by: FatFreddy on 14/07/2010 22:53:55 edit: meh
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Oso Mafioso
Minmatar Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.07.14 22:51:00 -
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We were under the impression you did these things on a daily basis as is.
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Herschel Yamamoto
Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.07.14 22:52:00 -
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Wow. I must say, it's been quite a while since I've seen a thread that makes me feel like this much of an optimist. Seriously, a good-natured attempt to get more people to help diagnose lag problems, and you jump down his throat? This is one of the few things CCP is doing that we should all favour unambiguously. It might not be the optimal approach, but it seems to be, by all accounts, a serious effort. You can cut them a little bit of slack, they don't take away your posting privileges for it.
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Meissa Anunthiel
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Posted - 2010.07.14 22:53:00 -
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Might help if you indicated in your post when the first of those mass tests is supposed to happen.
Also, confirming these tests are, from conversations I've had with various devs, invaluable in helping solve issues. So just show up.
Meissa
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Spades Slick
Caldari Rookies Academy Elite Rookie Empire
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Posted - 2010.07.14 22:55:00 -
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Originally by: Meissa Anunthiel Might help if you indicated in your post when the first of those mass tests is supposed to happen.
Originally by: CCP Tanis IF: In each of the next 3 mass-tests, after the one tomorrow,
Second, join the "mass-testing info" mailing list on TQ. We send periodic updates and info about test events to this list, which ends up directly into your in-game mail box.
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Snoodley
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Posted - 2010.07.14 22:59:00 -
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Will you whiny little candy asses stfu for once..! If the game sucks so much then leave it to the rest of us... We will all be fine! I love this game and appreciate the effort that is put in to make it better... If you think your so smart get off your lazy asses and code something better... Otherwise blow it out your **** ! |
Baldari Ironfist
The Night Crew
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Posted - 2010.07.14 22:59:00 -
[62]
You should dress up in a cow outfit and let the staff milk you...
Or you could dress up like Sailor Moon and perform the entire "Bum Bum Song" by the Cheeky Girls...
Or you could do the cinnamon challenge on video...
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EdFromHumanResources
Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.07.14 22:59:00 -
[63]
CCP apologists can say what they want, the state of Eve is not what it should be regardless of your drivel.
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Sheana Rowe
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Posted - 2010.07.14 23:01:00 -
[64]
I'm sure this CCP Tanis is a handsome fellow but no offense, who cares about him wearing some kilt or w/e. Tell us you'll post sexy pics of Stevie G in her lingerie for example, and you'll undoubtedly get thousands of testers on Sisi.
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JASON W0RTHING
The Devolved HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.07.14 23:01:00 -
[65]
Seriously, everyone just needs to stfu. Keep the whining in the other 9001 threads since the CSM5 minutes release.
I for one will be at the mass test if I can possibly make it.
Originally by: CCP Shadow What is thy bidd -- Wait. This thread, I have an irresistible urge to lock it for "being related to neither crime nor punishment."
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SammyullJackson
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Posted - 2010.07.14 23:01:00 -
[66]
Originally by: EdFromHumanResources CCP apologists can say what they want, the state of Eve is not what it should be regardless of your drivel.
Says a goonswarm aspie.
Go back to SA and QQ moar about how much you hate the mean old EVE Online. Better yet, just unsubscribe to show how much you hate it.
Oh, wait, you won't. You haven't got the balls.
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Bismaru RELOADED
Amarr DEVIL'S SOULDEAD SS Circle of Steel
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Posted - 2010.07.14 23:08:00 -
[67]
Originally by: SammyullJackson
Originally by: EdFromHumanResources CCP apologists can say what they want, the state of Eve is not what it should be regardless of your drivel.
Says a goonswarm aspie.
Go back to SA and QQ moar about how much you hate the mean old EVE Online. Better yet, just unsubscribe to show how much you hate it.
Oh, wait, you won't. You haven't got the balls.
This **** just got real,..
I eagerly await to hear from Ed,..
I know I have avoided forums for several months (thanks Molle -.-) but I would really like to hear from mittani what gives, did he finally get a boat and move on?,..
Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel
Does Snot shot and General asspoops eat poo poo and do they do it in the same cup or not ?
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Baal Daktarr
Minions of the Oblivion
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Posted - 2010.07.14 23:16:00 -
[68]
Man, you can sure tell most of the players on here are so serious about getting something out of just "helping out". Hey Tanis, I wouldn't do any of it. I'd just say "we ain't fixin the lag issue till we get more help on sisi...." That should bring these idiots around. They don't realize that sisi lets you practice pvp perfection easily, and cheaply.
After all, it's just a game....... :)
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Darin Raltin
Amarr Two Brothers Mining Corp. R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.07.14 23:35:00 -
[69]
There is no point doing a mass test on sisi without ...
1) Bombs 2) Podkilling 3) Titan bridging 4) Bubbles
Some combination of these happen in every fight in 0.0 and simply ignoring them makes the test pointless, IMO ... I know the test server has rules, but if you are going to test ... actually make it resemble a real fight.
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Norath84
Idle Haven
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Posted - 2010.07.14 23:36:00 -
[70]
how about if you lose you have to run 3 chars with 6 planets each with max nr of exstractors on 5h duration until PI gets fixed
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Xtops
Minmatar Nova Fortuna Inc.
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Posted - 2010.07.14 23:39:00 -
[71]
Ask us again in 18 months since there's clearly no room in the development tubes for issues that the community deems important.
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EdFromHumanResources
Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.07.14 23:39:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Darin Raltin There is no point doing a mass test on sisi without ...
1) Bombs 2) Podkilling 3) Titan bridging 4) Bubbles
Some combination of these happen in every fight in 0.0 and simply ignoring them makes the test pointless, IMO ... I know the test server has rules, but if you are going to test ... actually make it resemble a real fight.
These are just a few reasons why these tests are pointless.
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Auri Hella
Downwind Trading Guild
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Posted - 2010.07.14 23:46:00 -
[73]
Wait, what, they don't do those things? **** me that's depressing.
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Spades Slick
Caldari Rookies Academy Elite Rookie Empire
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Posted - 2010.07.14 23:47:00 -
[74]
Edited by: Spades Slick on 14/07/2010 23:47:39
Originally by: Darin Raltin There is no point doing a mass test on sisi without ...
1) Bombs 2) Podkilling 3) Titan bridging 4) Bubbles
Some combination of these happen in every fight in 0.0 and simply ignoring them makes the test pointless, IMO ... I know the test server has rules, but if you are going to test ... actually make it resemble a real fight.
1 isn't allowed because of 2, and 2 isn't allowed because everyone might have clones elsewhere (sure, there's MoveMe, but what if no one's around? Now you have to haul yourself all the way back to FMD or whatever it is, can't be bothered to check again, from wherever your clone is.) Plus, the lack of SP updates means that a person might inadvertently be deducted SP because they aren't keeping their clone on SiSi updated. If they implemented the whole "SiSi SP injection" deal, they could probably pull these two rules, at least for test dates.
The other two, I'm sure, could be rescinded when needed ("Okay, we're testing the mechanics of bubbling the **** out of a system, let's get as many 'dictors in play as there are people with the skills for them"), etc. I guess it's mainly so that a person couldn't sit in one of the FFA areas with a bubble up and just grief anyone that shows up. Or hell, I don't know, I'm sure there's some long-past ****up that caused them to ban it on this server.
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Celebris Nexterra
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Posted - 2010.07.14 23:52:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Xtops Ask us again in 18 months since there's clearly no room in the development tubes for issues that the community deems important.
DAMN!!!
Very supportive of EVE, like the new features, expansions - but I read the ENTIRE minutes from the CSM summit last night and... it really does seem like you aren't listening. I think the CSM's #1 priority issue should be insta-added to the game. ASAP. Without regard to what "time and resources" are available.
Writing dev-blogs is just a cop-out, if you ask me, and it seems like that was the main response to every issue the CSM had. If you're not going to listen to them, just cut the whole program, save some ISK and spend it on the game so you'll have moar "time and resources."
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Spankes Alot
Navy of Xoc Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.07.15 00:03:00 -
[76]
Originally by: EdFromHumanResources
Originally by: Darin Raltin There is no point doing a mass test on sisi without ...
1) Bombs 2) Podkilling 3) Titan bridging 4) Bubbles
Some combination of these happen in every fight in 0.0 and simply ignoring them makes the test pointless, IMO ... I know the test server has rules, but if you are going to test ... actually make it resemble a real fight.
These are just a few reasons why these tests are pointless.
I agree you want to fix the issue start looking at a real fight situation and then try to reproduce it.
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Jascoe
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Posted - 2010.07.15 00:05:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Iazma Moroi Edited by: Iazma Moroi on 14/07/2010 19:44:23 umad Tanis?
Originally by: CCP Tanis ...we're still not quite happy with the player turnout to these events...
Maybe because there has been no significant (if any) result of these tests.
Hey, 1+1=10 and 1+0=1.
That zero is you not participating on the tests. How can you whine about results when you are not even doing your part to make the code testing realistic? More cheese, less whine. And less 4chan meme-speak.
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Bacchanalian
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2010.07.15 00:05:00 -
[78]
We'll get back to you after Incarna and Dust 514 are fully implemented and CCP has the manpower to fix the glaring problems with the last 5 expansions. Of course, by then you'll be working on yet another expansion with no real regard for the problems of the last 6, so seems like I'd be better off doing something else.
Sorry Tanis, nothing personal, but the latest message from CCP on this topic has made a lot of us rather cynical. I'm pretty sure we were all taught as kids to clean up the mess made by the first set of toys before dragging out a second set. Do they not teach that in Iceland? ____________________ GM Sunshine > oops Neurotica > Hate to see a GM in your gang say 'oops'
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CJ Walker
Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2010.07.15 00:16:00 -
[79]
Edited by: CJ Walker on 15/07/2010 00:16:27 The reason I haven't made any of the mass tests to date is a timezone one.
But a suggestion for player motivation - if you reset those that attended to all 5 skills, or gave them the raft of pirate/faction ships to play with for a weekend on sisi that might motivate people who want to play with things currently out of their reach. Or as another poster suggested, limited time access to rare/unique/gm ships.
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Katarin Savage
Gallente azinko
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Posted - 2010.07.15 00:32:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Iazma Moroi Edited by: Iazma Moroi on 14/07/2010 19:44:23 umad Tanis?
Originally by: CCP Tanis ...we're still not quite happy with the player turnout to these events...
Maybe because there has been no significant (if any) result of these tests.
I read it's a process of test or be damned by the lag monster -- i've seen plenty of progress == the autopatcher was borked then fixed last time == that's progress!!! katarin savage ceo, azinko corp building a better future |
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Katarin Savage
Gallente azinko
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Posted - 2010.07.15 00:37:00 -
[81]
Originally by: JASON W0RTHING Seriously, everyone just needs to stfu. Keep the whining in the other 9001 threads since the CSM5 minutes release.
I for one will be at the mass test if I can possibly make it.
znap plus dunno if stevie is spoken for if she aint post those sexy fotos... I'd bet she get five hundred love letters a day!!![love] katarin savage ceo, azinko corp building a better future |
Jericho Barimen
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Posted - 2010.07.15 00:38:00 -
[82]
How about another 100,000 SPs to the participants, similar to what you did after that long DT?
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CCP Veritas
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Posted - 2010.07.15 00:39:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Baal Daktarr I'd just say "we ain't fixin the lag issue till we get more help on sisi...."
Well, the reality of it is that players stress the game in unique fashions. We need to observe, test against, and understand that stress and what it does to the game.
In order to do that, we need to run experiments. We can either get players' help and do them on Sisi, or we can break out the mad scientist gear and poke at TQ while you're fighting there.
I would personally prefer to keep experiments on the test server. I hope you'd agree.
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Katarin Savage
Gallente azinko
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Posted - 2010.07.15 00:44:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Bacchanalian We'll get back to you after Incarna and Dust 514 are fully implemented and CCP has the manpower to fix the glaring problems with the last 5 expansions. Of course, by then you'll be working on yet another expansion with no real regard for the problems of the last 6, so seems like I'd be better off doing something else.
Sorry Tanis, nothing personal, but the latest message from CCP on this topic has made a lot of us rather cynical. I'm pretty sure we were all taught as kids to clean up the mess made by the first set of toys before dragging out a second set. Do they not teach that in Iceland?
I was taught this and maintain this 'policy' to this day, if i can be bovvered but the point is you dont make summat worse by adding 'new features' until you fix the broken parts - you dont change the steering wheel if you got a puncture do you?? (on a car that is) == common mistake of business n games:: attract new players while borking the veterans == dont make sense to me... katarin savage ceo, azinko corp building a better future |
Rage Spear
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2010.07.15 00:48:00 -
[85]
Edited by: Rage Spear on 15/07/2010 00:57:05
Originally by: CCP Tanis We'll also accept suggestions for what else I could do if I lose this wager, from you fine folks.
I admit, the cross-dressing and kilt-wearing aren't quite enough options for my liking either. But that's what you get when you ask a bunch of overworked GMs for ideas :p. So, what can you think of that's better, and can you "bring it"?.
my suggestion would be:
I would consider that more than enough reward
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Sweetlacy PuffPuff
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Posted - 2010.07.15 00:57:00 -
[86]
Where is the risk in these offers if you loose? From what I heard other Dev's say you dress up like that every weekend and for family holidays.
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Riffix
The Graduates
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Posted - 2010.07.15 01:06:00 -
[87]
Edited by: Riffix on 15/07/2010 01:07:47
Originally by: FireT Make it easy for me to join and I will honestly will be for every testing when time allows.
THIS is the solution. While the process of getting into the test server isn't terribly complex or difficult for some, it's current state is a rather large barrier for most when they don't actually gain a lot for doing it. This challenge is a good short-term idea but if you really want to increase paricipation in a long-term and meaningful way you need to remove as many barriers to entry as possible. This includes those that seem small or trivial, never underestimate laziness.
Some suggestions:
- Make setting up a test client environment as easy as clicking a single button.
- Announce the tests via as many channels as possible (this is mostly done but may I suggest including the time in other timezones with these).
- Put up contracts on test server for fully-fitted ships
I'm sure there are more but you get the idea. It also might help to give some more special abilities as well such as being able to use Jove ships! "Lead, follow, or get the #@$@#$ out of the way" |
Reithan
THORN Syndicate Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2010.07.15 01:06:00 -
[88]
Originally by: CCP Tanis We'll also accept suggestions for what else I could do if I lose this wager, from you fine folks.
If "Fix fleet lag" was one of the options, you'd have OVER 9000 people in the test...just saying.
Hell, the option could even be: "Fix fleet lag and/or write a massive Dev Blog about how this test is helping us (specifically) fight fleet lag"
and you'd still get thousands.
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Criss AngeI
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Posted - 2010.07.15 01:11:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Kuolematon Oh oh! I know!
How about ..
.. You actually LISTEN TO YOUR PLAYERS and READ BUG REPORTS AND FIX 'EM?
Sick, I KNOW!
It would help if your corporation didn't fail completely at everything, i know right?
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lol45
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Posted - 2010.07.15 01:12:00 -
[90]
I think it would be better to see a video of CCP Tanis wash all the CCP staff cars for a day. If he finish's before his shift is over offer a free car wash to the public.
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Brka
H A V O C Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.07.15 01:43:00 -
[91]
Edited by: Brka on 15/07/2010 01:43:15 Being this is my first eve forums post in nearly 2.5 years I will say this. Your incentives don't make me want to take time out of my busy schedule. I rarely play any more and the lag monster in fleet fights is one of the reasons. Skill points, special ships, a battleship each. Make it worth it to get on there.
1 free ship or 25k sp or 50k sp or something tangible and you'll get 1000 people on there.
Just an idea.
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ptach
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Posted - 2010.07.15 01:53:00 -
[92]
Originally by: Yakumo Smith hmmm sounds like you'd positively "hate" to be "forced" to dress up as a lady going by the options.
LOL, I double that (((-: AND go for the Erotic Dancer. We will see pics on Facebook and here.
Hope u win
Ptach
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Celebris Nexterra
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Posted - 2010.07.15 02:04:00 -
[93]
Ooh, I did have a question, though: how are we supposed to submit our logserver reports/DXdiag files after the mass test?
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terra773
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Posted - 2010.07.15 02:09:00 -
[94]
It's a little appalling to see read the comments. Tanis is trying to help the game by increasing Mass testing turnout, and as a bonus, we get to watch him make a fool of himself. Instead of saying, "Hell yeah, I'll be there! Best have that kilt ready Tanis", we vindicate him, claim the tests have no real purpose, and accuse CCP of complete and total incompetence. This is the kind of bull**** the whiny ******ed children over at WoW do. Finding and killing the lag monster should be priority, in/out of game reward or not. I don't agree with constantly rolling out new content versus fixing the content with issues, but don't want to rehash anything already said. To those who claim that these tests don't help, how does a few hundred player fleet accessing the server en-mass not test the load on the server?
To sum it up, quit yer *****in, man up, and get your ass on Sisi!
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Hellz Hitman
Caldari No-Mercy
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Posted - 2010.07.15 02:43:00 -
[95]
You all say you want the lag fixed? Then You get your reward merely by taking part in the test. Should be fairly obvious. And everyone else gets their reward the same way. No-Mercy |
Clb
The Intersect
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Posted - 2010.07.15 02:46:00 -
[96]
I was slightly interested, and then I seen that all the tests are scheduled for weekdays.
Claim that you get a similar turnout regardless but that's 3 accounts that won't be showing up.
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2010.07.15 03:47:00 -
[97]
Edited by: Tres Farmer on 15/07/2010 03:51:18 Edited by: Tres Farmer on 15/07/2010 03:47:36
Originally by: CCP Tanis We'll also accept suggestions for what else I could do if I lose this wager, from you fine folks.
I admit, the cross-dressing and kilt-wearing aren't quite enough options for my liking either. But that's what you get when you ask a bunch of overworked GMs for ideas :p. So, what can you think of that's better, and can you "bring it"?.
As the last note from CCP practically said, that we'll have to wait for polishing/refining of content for another 18 months I plead you to NOT TO WASTE THIS ONE DAY YOU GOT FOR THIS for utter crap like cross dressing or answering petitions.
If you can do one thing and it fits into this time frame, then please have a look at rockets, change their values in your SQL database by whatever it needs (or whatever you think doesn't screws up balance too much) to make them a bit more decent and get this through for deployment with the next little patch. This would get some of us off your back and probably show all the others that you really take this somewhat seriously. We had enough bad jokes already and I'm not really into looking at guys dressed as girls. Please!
TL;DR: I'm voting with 2 accounts for rocket mini-fix
PS: I'm 100% against any sweets for those who show up, especially when it affects TQ.. Sisi isn't known for stability in this kind of issues and bad luck sucks.. give all players something worth, ie some kind of little fix to restore faith. They can even contain some pics of you sitting on your desk with excel open and screwing around with numbers or fighting the management getting this deployed in the name of the players..
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SammyullJackson
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Posted - 2010.07.15 03:52:00 -
[98]
Originally by: Clb I was slightly interested, and then I seen that all the tests are scheduled for weekdays.
Claim that you get a similar turnout regardless but that's 3 accounts that won't be showing up.
Despite the thread in the Test Forum Feedback section where they say "we've noticed turnout isn't much better on weekends, so we will test on weekdays", you say something like this.
Sure, yeah, okay.
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Riaqu
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Posted - 2010.07.15 03:55:00 -
[99]
Wow, there is definitely something wrong with these forums. Some people are just compulsive in their criticism and whining.
There are some things that worry me as well about CCP policy, but please, this thread (or the OP at least) is just a funny and light-hearted way to activate players in helping out to improve the game, so please stop all the whining already!
I personally would like to see much more interaction with CCP employees on these forums (this thread and the one on whether they actually play the game are great, in my opinion), and the ridiculously negative reactions from some posters here are not exactly helpful.
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DJ Obsidian
New Eden Technical Institutes
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Posted - 2010.07.15 04:04:00 -
[100]
Guys seriously most of you sound like little whiny w.o.w. players.
Seriously just get ur ass on the test server, stop ur *****ing and follow instructions, you know kinda like a fleet up. Tanis is your FC and the target is the lag monster so sit down shut the **** up and bring a fleet ship. Seriously if you act like this in your fleet ops, you deserver to lose your ship to lag.
OF course if any of you bothered to read my post from earlier, Tanis is leading a team of devs trying to find and fix the lag, now this team is anywhwere from 5-10 people. This is 5-10 people who could be fixing a back log of changes but are trying to fix the lag first.
Lag fix > your whiney list of rockets and assult frigs and what ever else you are whining about.
When the lag is fixed then his team will probably move on to something new like, i dont know anything else you all whine about. SO as i said sit down shut your mouth and just get on the test server.
THE FASTER YOU ALL QUIT UR *****ING AND HELP OUT THE FASTER WE CAN GET THINGS FIXED! TO DO THIS WE NEED 500+ PEOPLE HELPING OUT!
watching the market and doing .01 isk transactions, plexing, and flexing ur epeen with hot drops can all wait for 2 hours. 2 hours isnt going to cause you to lose all of your space.
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Kinetic Force
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Posted - 2010.07.15 04:07:00 -
[101]
Originally by: Riaqu Wow, there is definitely something wrong with these forums. Some people are just compulsive in their criticism and whining.
There are some things that worry me as well about CCP policy, but please, this thread (or the OP at least) is just a funny and light-hearted way to activate players in helping out to improve the game, so please stop all the whining already!
I personally would like to see much more interaction with CCP employees on these forums (this thread and the one on whether they actually play the game are great, in my opinion), and the ridiculously negative reactions from some posters here are not exactly helpful.
Im gonna have to agree here, Person after person keeps saying they want CCP to take a stronger presence on the forums and such, and they start doing so and get flamed, you guys are getting out of control. Stop complaining and help CCP see where they are going wrong. Read the damn thread. Read the fact that CCP needs more people, and are trying to be light hearted with it, tryin to be a bit more fun with it to get people to give them the help they need!
We should be willing to do this for free, shouldnt have to be bribed, though I do admit the Kilt + War paint would be hot lawls.
Please. Do not take this game down the route of WoW. The players here are not acting like the players in game. You are acting like a bunch of spoiled kids. Just cool it. Help fix the problem instead of complaining about it
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tehleetchick
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Posted - 2010.07.15 04:15:00 -
[102]
I remember couple of years back when on the test server u gave everyone all skills to level 5. the test server was that packed u were waiting hour plus to log into to it. and the lag was bs cause of everyone in titans and motherships. why dont u do this again every man, woman,child and there alts would be on it flying caps ships and that would give u the lag ur are after!!! i am sure u be able to test all day with a event like this as it was such a huge event last time.
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2010.07.15 04:39:00 -
[103]
Edited by: Tres Farmer on 15/07/2010 04:40:32
Originally by: tehleetchick I remember couple of years back when on the test server u gave everyone all skills to level 5. the test server was that packed u were waiting hour plus to log into to it. and the lag was bs cause of everyone in titans and motherships. why dont u do this again every man, woman,child and there alts would be on it flying caps ships and that would give u the lag ur are after!!! i am sure u be able to test all day with a event like this as it was such a huge event last time.
CCP doesn't need a bunch of wild, headless, trigger happy idiots on Sisi shooting and podding the hell out of everything that undocks in FD - cause that happened the last time CCP did give all lvl5 skills. CCP wants cool pilots who can follow orders and behave in a way they need for getting a clue what happens under the hood by triggering responses from the server.
That's why they especially address alliances to show up, cause those guys are the ones who are affected the most, contrary to your 0-8-15 carebear.
@CCP Tanis, did you ever get a response from those affected the most, ie null sec alliances? Should be easy for them to bring 500+.. what are their reasons not to show up for 2 hours? Letting down their pants on TQ? Can't you organize some kind of combined efforts from them? Like every space holding alliance brings x% of pilots to the test and there is a cease fire time frame for their space if they bring xyz% or something similar.. There must be some workaround for this, as those are the pilots you're looking for. This kind of organization/commitment works for Alliance Tournaments after all..
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BeanBagKing
Ch3mic4l Warfare STR8NGE BREW
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Posted - 2010.07.15 04:48:00 -
[104]
Originally by: CCP Veritas In order to do that, we need to run experiments. We can either get players' help and do them on Sisi, or we can break out the mad scientist gear and poke at TQ while you're fighting there.
I would personally prefer to keep experiments on the test server. I hope you'd agree.
Personally I say break out the mad scientist gear. Things may be a -little- worse in the short term (during the tests/fights), but from the player perspective they're already pretty damn bad! However, I think this kind of testing would yield MUCH better results and would be great for the games long term.
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a55mu11e7
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Posted - 2010.07.15 04:57:00 -
[105]
What about another all lvl 5? |
EdFromHumanResources
Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.07.15 05:09:00 -
[106]
Originally by: CCP Veritas In order to do that, we need to run experiments. We can either get players' help and do them on Sisi, or we can break out the mad scientist gear and poke at TQ while you're fighting there.
I would personally prefer to keep experiments on the test server. I hope you'd agree.
Considering a fleet fight on sisi is nothing like a fleet fight on TQ I say break out the gear you probably dont have. The reason a lot of 0.0 pilots don't show up to the "mass testing" is because you don't even bother to simulate a real fight, you just have people jump into a system then sit on a gate shooting eachother until you call time out. It's a waste of our time to pretend that's how fights go. Some of the worst lag I ever experience comes from jump bridging into a fight, not jumping through a gate. Why does there seem to be a massive difference in load time for jump bridging or going through a gate? Do you even realize there's a difference? Do the people who set these up actively play Eve and do they join the fleets they are trying to mirror these after?
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Celia Therone
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Posted - 2010.07.15 05:17:00 -
[107]
How about offering people x learning points if they show up for mass testing?
It takes time and hassle to install the test client and time to turn up to, and participate in, mass testing. Throw a carrot in front of people and they'll be much more likely to invest that time.
Seeing you in a dress might be amusing but, really, I don't think seeing guys in dresses motivates a very large proportion of the populace.
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Ban Doga
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Posted - 2010.07.15 05:17:00 -
[108]
Originally by: SammyullJackson
Originally by: Iazma Moroi Edited by: Iazma Moroi on 14/07/2010 19:44:23 umad Tanis?
Originally by: CCP Tanis ...we're still not quite happy with the player turnout to these events...
Maybe because there has been no significant (if any) result of these tests.
And that might be because they don't get enough participants to test whatever changes they made in an effective manner to release on TQ.
And so the circle is completed...
I say that everyone here just participate in this one. Just one, to begin with. If CCP gets their act together and posts a devblog or posts some sort of feedback saying "thanks to the turnout, we were able to successfully test such and such change in the coding", that should show everyone that these tests have a purpose.
If you don't show up, well, the pot thought it was pretty clever to call the kettle black.
Time and again during the tests we were told "we're getting great data", "that's what we wanted to see".
The tests were always lagging to hell and back. If they cannot see it with 300 people how will they see it with 500? Because 3 minutes of loading grid is not long enough? It has to be 7 so they can detect and analyze it?
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DJ Obsidian
New Eden Technical Institutes
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Posted - 2010.07.15 05:32:00 -
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Originally by: EdFromHumanResources [
Some of the worst lag I ever experience comes from jump bridging into a fight, not jumping through a gate. Why does there seem to be a massive difference in load time for jump bridging or going through a gate? Do you even realize there's a difference?
That was one of the most intelligent things posted then it got dumb after that. Good Idea though. During the mass test a thing to check during a mass test, instead of jumping into the system by way of gates, have 3 fleets - 1 defend, 1 attack, and 1 bridge/hotdrop in.
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Vonlutt
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.07.15 05:39:00 -
[110]
Edited by: Vonlutt on 15/07/2010 05:43:28 Edited by: Vonlutt on 15/07/2010 05:41:22 I'd seriously do it if it were easier to participate in, but downloading a new client and making a new user and what not... Bleah.
And in all seriousness... Why not just ask a few alliances to meet in a system and duke it out with the promise of replacing all losses? That would be by far the easiest, really. ! |
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Ascendic
Brotherhood of Suicidal Priests R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.07.15 05:51:00 -
[111]
Originally by: Snoodley Will you whiny little candy asses stfu for once..! If the game sucks so much then leave it to the rest of us... We will all be fine! I love this game and appreciate the effort that is put in to make it better... If you think your so smart get off your lazy asses and code something better... Otherwise blow it out your **** !
If we left then the six of you tools would not be able to support the servers and eve would close so in effect you lose. So how about YOU go blow it out YOUR ass instead?
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2010.07.15 06:47:00 -
[112]
Ok so is the mailing list "Mass Testing Info" (stated in the other thread) or "mass-testing info" stated in this thread?
/c
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Jim Luc
Caldari Rule of Five Lucky Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.07.15 07:20:00 -
[113]
If I get a freebie then I would definitely be there, but time is money... As they say
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Sturmwolke
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Posted - 2010.07.15 07:21:00 -
[114]
Originally by: Chribba Ok so is the mailing list "Mass Testing Info" (stated in the other thread) or "mass-testing info" stated in this thread? /c
It's a stealth Mass Testing event, so the mailing list was bypassed. You have the option to stealthly attend the event.
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T'Amber
www.shipsofeve.com
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Posted - 2010.07.15 07:47:00 -
[115]
THE BET My suggestion is that if 500+ people turn up that you have to dress up as an exotic dancer wearing heels and fishnets with pink hair and then make a channel called "Ask CCP Tanis" which you must attend to for 24hours. This channel must be published someone where for maximum exposure.
You will then go onto chat roulette and everytime you see a ***** you must answer one question in your channel from one random angry vet - to the best of your ability.
Every time you see bewbs you may have a 10minute break.
-T'amber
[SoE:at8] Win the 1st Publicly available Adrestia and Utu - rare ships
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Slavebabe
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Posted - 2010.07.15 08:09:00 -
[116]
May a group of better vets hotdrop the test with 50+ capitals? May we bridge 100+ ships to the middle of the fight? Can we drop 20+ bombs to the bubbled RR armor HAC gang? Are we going to be banned from test server doing so in you test? We only want to provide relevant test information as close to live TQ as possible.
Tanis, you see after all these months we don't know a tiny bit how these data was used to fix the server side lag.
How many participants were in your tests so far (sum across all your tests)? 5000+? How many man-hours were given freely because of the love of this game so you can have sterile data? tens of thousand? How many more test do you need to run? dozens? What is the ETA for the next fix? 1 month? 6 months? 18-24 months?
Please don't get me wrong here... but the last dev blog about the client side lag fixes, were not really motivational to participate in these tests. Players spending their free time wold like to see some love. Your offer is funny and stuff, but either give some TQ incentives or write us a summary on how this is helping. Simply stating it helps much doesn't really qualify as a summary, you know.
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Gavjack Bunk
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Posted - 2010.07.15 08:15:00 -
[117]
Is it 1 activity per 500 people? So if you get 1000 people you have to do two of them? -- On planets... nobody can see you macro mining... |
Herschel Yamamoto
Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.07.15 08:24:00 -
[118]
Originally by: T'Amber THE BET My suggestion is that if 500+ people turn up that you have to dress up as an exotic dancer wearing heels and fishnets with pink hair and then make a channel called "Ask CCP Tanis" which you must attend to for 24hours. This channel must be published someone where for maximum exposure.
You will then go onto chat roulette and everytime you see a ***** you must answer one question in your channel from one random angry vet - to the best of your ability.
Every time you see bewbs you may have a 10minute break.
-T'amber
So you want him to cross-dress, go on Chat Roulette, and answer questions from bitter vets? I think that's the Sixth Circle of Hell.
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gumble85
Amarr AUS Corporation United Front Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.15 08:34:00 -
[119]
I am more swinging to dress up as an Exotic Dancer at the next staff meeting, but i am willing to substitute that for..... If you hire more gm's and programmers for the eve player base. Not like there is a shortage of programmers and possible gm's. We need more things fixed and hiring is and testing from the player base is the only way to fix it. Your gm's are tired well hire more. Last i heard 25k paid accounts covers the cost of everything. Prolly 30-40k now, but use our money correctly on upgrades and hiring more staff and you'll have a happier player base imo.
I will join in if available. Hope to see some of you there.
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Charlemeign
BESTIAL CARNAGE Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.07.15 08:36:00 -
[120]
Edited by: Charlemeign on 15/07/2010 08:36:30 Wow, another Dev doing something totally irrelevant to to make the enormous amount of problems with this game seem less irrelevant. I would have nev..
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Cailais
Amarr THE ORDAINED
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Posted - 2010.07.15 08:43:00 -
[121]
Originally by: Charlemeign Edited by: Charlemeign on 15/07/2010 08:36:30 Wow, another Dev doing something totally irrelevant to to make the enormous amount of problems with this game seem less irrelevant. I would have nev..
You seem to have stumbled into the wrong forums. Allow me to assist you.
The World of Warcraft forums for whinney little kiddies are that way ->
C.
the hydrostatic capsule blog
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Freyya
Advanced Planetary Exports Intergalactic Exports Group
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Posted - 2010.07.15 08:54:00 -
[122]
Frack it, I voted for poking the TQ park and i'll do it again. Frack the minor impact it will have on day to day life in the alliance arena. They all want to have lag free fights so if they start wining about extra lag or dropouts then tell em to shove it up a hole no sun will ever shine. TQ is where it happens and TQ is where it needs to be poked at. I propose a dare to you Tanis. Drop into fleetfight systems, say in local you're poking the server to find the cause for lag and finally be able to fix it, apologise for any extra inconveniece it might cause but that they're fracked either way so stop wining. Ohh and say the logs won't show a thing so petitions will have no effect either way.
Get results from 1000+ fleetfights with ALL the things that happen in normal combat.
Anyone that thinks that is a bad idea and doesn't want their little fleet fight (for as much as you can call it a fight) interrupted or perhaps even get kicked off the server. Shove it where the sun will never shine... First people whine about CCP not doing enough to fix the lag but then people will whine about CCP fixing the lag most likely
TL;DR: POKE TQ WITH A 1000 YEAR OLD RAINFORREST TREE WHEN A FLEETFIGHT IS HAPPENING CCP! Tell anyone that whines to f*ck off since you're doing what they want; Trying to find a cause and fix lag. a few more fracked up fleetfights aint gonna hurt anyone much more than it already has. ___________
NOW COLLECTING ISD AND CCP AUTOGRAPHS It'll be worth something someday. -Rauth
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Midge Mo'yb
Antares Shipyards Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.07.15 09:05:00 -
[123]
Originally by: Freyya Frack it, I voted for poking the TQ park and i'll do it again. Frack the minor impact it will have on day to day life in the alliance arena. They all want to have lag free fights so if they start wining about extra lag or dropouts then tell em to shove it up a hole no sun will ever shine. TQ is where it happens and TQ is where it needs to be poked at. I propose a dare to you Tanis. Drop into fleetfight systems, say in local you're poking the server to find the cause for lag and finally be able to fix it, apologise for any extra inconveniece it might cause but that they're fracked either way so stop wining. Ohh and say the logs won't show a thing so petitions will have no effect either way.
Get results from 1000+ fleetfights with ALL the things that happen in normal combat.
Anyone that thinks that is a bad idea and doesn't want their little fleet fight (for as much as you can call it a fight) interrupted or perhaps even get kicked off the server. Shove it where the sun will never shine... First people whine about CCP not doing enough to fix the lag but then people will whine about CCP fixing the lag most likely
TL;DR: POKE TQ WITH A 1000 YEAR OLD RAINFORREST TREE WHEN A FLEETFIGHT IS HAPPENING CCP! Tell anyone that whines to f*ck off since you're doing what they want; Trying to find a cause and fix lag. a few more fracked up fleetfights aint gonna hurt anyone much more than it already has.
this, TQ has progressed the the point that sisi is no longer a relevant test, you cant get enough people on to stress the server like TQ gets thus problems will never be found until tq is poked, dont even tell them poke when you think there is data to be gained and an insight to be found. develop some tools that have as little effect as possible on the fight.
you wont fix TQ till you start diagnosing on TQ -----------------------------------------------
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TheBlueMonkey
Gallente Priory Of The Lemon Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.15 09:06:00 -
[124]
Originally by: CCP Tanis
Wear a kilt and war-paint Dress up as an exotic dancer for the next CCP staff-meeting Answer petitions for a day, wearing a wig, dress, and high-heels Dye my hair pink [/list]
That it? None of that is anything special, I mean, oh the crazeyness of dressing up like a woman.... Dasty does that all the time!!
What about you give all participant 500mil on the live server? That's not enough to break any wars but it's enough to get people on and playing.
I've skipped a load of posts so kill me if this is a duplicate but please, if you're going to go for a "prove me wrong" bet then give the winning side something rather than.
"Ha, dressed like a lady" --
Nothing is worthless, you may have gotten it for free but it still has an inherent value
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Dryoghan
Caldari Silver Star Federation On the Rocks
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Posted - 2010.07.15 09:26:00 -
[125]
i agree with bluemonkey seeing you dress in some woman clothes isn't anything special a better one would be if all of CCP would go to Jita get the most expensive ships and fits they can find and then turn hostile to everybody and watch as players release stress by killing their most favorite Dev/game designer you can even make a Dev blog about it calling it CCP goes on strike
now that would make people join the mass tests
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Comrade Obamba
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Posted - 2010.07.15 09:38:00 -
[126]
If the goal is increased participation then it must be incentivized. You're asking pilots to give up productive time from the real virtual world. No offense but seeing pictures of a guy with pink hair wearing a dress and high heels isn't going to do it for most. That sort of thing work for intra-office motivation where ppl are invested in seeing the person humiliated. The best way to get that sacrifice out of your paying base is to offer incentive they will desire. Offer some appropriate number of skill points for participation and you'll be turning people away.
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CCP Veritas
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Posted - 2010.07.15 09:47:00 -
[127]
Originally by: Freyya Frack the minor impact it will have on day to day life in the alliance arena.
If I could be sure it'd only affect the fight I'm experimenting on, I'd be with ya. All the nodes are on the same cluster though, so unintended casualties happen. For instance, one experimental fix we've been trying out on TQ recently accidentally torched Jita during prime time.
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Jarnis McPieksu
H A V O C Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.07.15 09:59:00 -
[128]
Originally by: CCP Veritas
Originally by: Freyya Frack the minor impact it will have on day to day life in the alliance arena.
If I could be sure it'd only affect the fight I'm experimenting on, I'd be with ya. All the nodes are on the same cluster though, so unintended casualties happen. For instance, one experimental fix we've been trying out on TQ recently accidentally torched Jita during prime time.
And nothing of value was lost... Jita, the hive of scum, villainy and 24/7 local scam spam.
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Midge Mo'yb
Antares Shipyards Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.07.15 10:02:00 -
[129]
Originally by: CCP Veritas
Originally by: Freyya Frack the minor impact it will have on day to day life in the alliance arena.
If I could be sure it'd only affect the fight I'm experimenting on, I'd be with ya. All the nodes are on the same cluster though, so unintended casualties happen. For instance, one experimental fix we've been trying out on TQ recently accidentally torched Jita during prime time.
a neccisary casualty, maybe the act of experimenting on TQ will lead you to create tools that avoid torching systems - again SISI is no longer adequate to test for TQ you will never get the same results as you can never recreate TQ with 500 people. maybe there are issues that only crop up on tq because of its massive size/load/structure.
so long as your not crashing 100 systems a day and only when you are trying to gather data that will help fix TQ then it is a neccissary evil IMO -----------------------------------------------
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Bomberlocks
Minmatar CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2010.07.15 10:15:00 -
[130]
If you pay me, then I'll come to your mass testing. As it is, I think you are trying to get free work done for you by your customers. And if you can't afford to hire 500 people to run through some one or two hour sessions, then very possibly, CCP is far worse off than your ridiculous hubris always claims it is.....
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Bomberlocks
Minmatar CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2010.07.15 10:18:00 -
[131]
Originally by: CCP Veritas ...For instance, one experimental fix we've been trying out on TQ recently accidentally torched Jita during prime time.
Was that the one called Eve Online?
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TheBlueMonkey
Gallente Priory Of The Lemon Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.15 10:38:00 -
[132]
Edited by: TheBlueMonkey on 15/07/2010 10:38:56
Originally by: CCP Veritas
Originally by: Freyya Frack the minor impact it will have on day to day life in the alliance arena.
If I could be sure it'd only affect the fight I'm experimenting on, I'd be with ya. All the nodes are on the same cluster though, so unintended casualties happen. For instance, one experimental fix we've been trying out on TQ recently accidentally torched Jita during prime time.
You're refusing to turn the fire sprinklers on because "the carpet will get wet" as the house burns to the ground.
edit: That's assuming you tell us that "you're going to be expeimenting on x to make y better so be aware weird **** might happen" --
Nothing is worthless, you may have gotten it for free but it still has an inherent value
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Freyya
Advanced Planetary Exports Intergalactic Exports Group
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Posted - 2010.07.15 10:57:00 -
[133]
Edited by: Freyya on 15/07/2010 11:02:01 Edited by: Freyya on 15/07/2010 10:58:02
Originally by: CCP Veritas
Originally by: Freyya Frack the minor impact it will have on day to day life in the alliance arena.
If I could be sure it'd only affect the fight I'm experimenting on, I'd be with ya. All the nodes are on the same cluster though, so unintended casualties happen. For instance, one experimental fix we've been trying out on TQ recently accidentally torched Jita during prime time.
You accidentally the whole Jita? Good man!Give him a medal!Pay raise! Anything! If experimental fixes and a collateral damage report every now and then is what will fix Eve, then so be it. Even if you're not doing experimental fixes Jita still feels the load after it goes on for so long. Even if people will scream murder and death (as we all do, i admit) when things are fixed because you burned Jita to the ground 3 times no-one will complain.
If you break a bone do you still whine to the doctor who gave you grief because he had to pull it back in alignment once it's healed? No you thank him because you understand that what he did was neccesary to get healed properly, even if it ment biting off your tongue at that moment. If people start leaving because sometimes Jita gets a bit laggy, which it does anyways so...???, they'll be back not before long because they read on the forums that everything is now 10 times better. Worth the effort and pain.
Fleetfights would improve over time back to pre dominion levels and perhaps even beyond so people start telling their friends again; Hey you know the game i told you about that has massive fleetfights as a selling point but wasn't actually worth the trouble because you wouldn't even see one ship before you crashed and died? THEY FIXED IT SO COME ON AND JOIN!
Equals influx of old and new players that look forward to actually being able to carve out their patch of space again in my book.
Like said before me by a wise man; (slightly adjusted) You're afraid of turning on the sprinklers because the carpet will get wet, while the 1000 story building is burning and starting to crash in around you with senior and newborn people bailing out before that happens.
TQ will creak and burst at some of the testing sure, but by revealing where the seams and cracks are you can fix them up so you have a 100% foundation again.
Edit; besides, the logs don't show anything anyways so what's the problem?
EDIT 2; You still get fleetfight notifications right? Send out a cluster wide warning box that experimental testing will be conducted to make Eve a better place for all. Give em 5-10 minutes with a warning timer box like before DT to get their miner, missionrunner or whatever to safety and run the test. Anyone who didn't listen or pay attention is f*cked and has only themselves to blaim at that point. ___________
NOW COLLECTING ISD AND CCP AUTOGRAPHS It'll be worth something someday. -Rauth
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Jamyl TashMurkon
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.07.15 11:14:00 -
[134]
You should fix the lag instead of going around in a dress.
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2010.07.15 11:24:00 -
[135]
Originally by: CCP Veritas
Originally by: Freyya Frack the minor impact it will have on day to day life in the alliance arena.
If I could be sure it'd only affect the fight I'm experimenting on, I'd be with ya. All the nodes are on the same cluster though, so unintended casualties happen. For instance, one experimental fix we've been trying out on TQ recently accidentally torched Jita during prime time.
Can't you run your special code on the null-sec nodes only if you're so concerned about the high-sec-dwellers and the petition avalanche incoming after a hickup of the experimental code? I thought each blade had it's own HDD with the server code on it and that the systems where assigned to that blade.. keep a copy of the normal failback/failover there too.. if **** hits the fan switch over and get back to status quo.
It's obvious to most of the players and prob some CCP DEVs (the ones working on it and offering them selfes as object of mockery) that you don't get enough people onto Sisi to get the data you want..
How long do you want to drag this along? What if this offer of CCP Tanis doesn't catch up? What do you want to do next? StevieSG in lingerie? Really? Or every participant get's x number of SP/items/whatever?
If that what blobbers say is true, you can't screw up 0.0 fleet fights much more.. We're 7 months after Dominion now and there is NO silver lining on the horizon. Put your experimental code onto the null-sec blades/nodes/whatever and have a go with it.. you can't possibly make it worse. Get some logs onto the server that show something.
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Krod Mandoon
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Posted - 2010.07.15 11:37:00 -
[136]
Hey instead of the 4000 posts, that read: "WAHH ::tears:: ::rage:: ::Emo:: CCP is trying to fix the problems but I'm a whiny little know it all and have to complain about how they're doing it. Clearly all their engineers are incompitent and should listen to me, because I am the smartest person in the world!" Why don't all of you curl your E-peens back up, stick them back in your pants, and let the grown ups talk... we aren't impressed. CCP Good luck diagnosing the problem, I'll be there if I can, and I want to see tanis Dress up like braveheart and lead a raid on Blizzard entertainment head quarters (just don't hurt the starcraft team)
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cyclobs
Minmatar Ta8ula Rasa
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Posted - 2010.07.15 11:41:00 -
[137]
/supported
Must be posted on youtube for epic lols
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doc 21o6
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Posted - 2010.07.15 11:49:00 -
[138]
Edited by: doc 21o6 on 15/07/2010 11:51:15 Edited by: doc 21o6 on 15/07/2010 11:49:33 EvE is poisened by fat 40+ yrs old no-life-small-*****-s****with a bloated ego and no real self esteem.
You whining kids should be locked out of the game.
CCP ... go ahead, test on TQ. Really ... it doesn't matter anyway, those f****** morons will whine anyhow.
Actually, it would be great if you'd just **** them off so much, that they leave ... and the average IQ in EvE can raise again.
thx ... and why is the forum ignoring which char i've chosen? :)
(now test and fix the damn lag already :)
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EdFromHumanResources
Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.07.15 12:55:00 -
[139]
Originally by: DJ Obsidian
Originally by: EdFromHumanResources [
Some of the worst lag I ever experience comes from jump bridging into a fight, not jumping through a gate. Why does there seem to be a massive difference in load time for jump bridging or going through a gate? Do you even realize there's a difference?
That was one of the most intelligent things posted then it got dumb after that. Good Idea though. During the mass test a thing to check during a mass test, instead of jumping into the system by way of gates, have 3 fleets - 1 defend, 1 attack, and 1 bridge/hotdrop in.
Actually the mass tests need to farther than that to simulate an attack, they already have people jump in via cyno in their caps, all like 20 of us. Once in system the fleets never move off the gate, the fight never moves to another system. People just sit at 0 on a gate and have at it, it's kind of like getting twenty preschoolers together to fight eachother and saying you're testing for MMA fighting. I think podding is definitely important, what if the server attempting to session change 300 dead people is part of what ****s it so hard? We'd have no idea with the way we test on SISI.
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Pan Crastus
Anti-Metagaming League
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Posted - 2010.07.15 13:36:00 -
[140]
bah, just start a lottery for some old rare ship (guardian vexor anyone?) among all participants of the mass testing. ;-)
How to PVP: 1. buy ISK with GTCs, 2. fit cloak, learn aggro mechanics, 3. buy second account for metagaming
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DemonKezzington
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Posted - 2010.07.15 13:40:00 -
[141]
how about u wear a man kini
or dress up as an exotic dancer with a starp on? =D
lol now that wud make for some great pics and you would have a record 40000 poeple do mass testing =D
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Catari Taga
Centre Of Attention Middle of Nowhere
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Posted - 2010.07.15 13:55:00 -
[142]
OP will easily win his bet for many reasons, only one of them being that the last few SiSi builds are just crashing for me anyway. --
Originally by: Zeke Mobius I swear the catholic church was faster at admitting the earth was round than CCP at fixing stuff.
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Fearless M0F0
Blue Republic
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Posted - 2010.07.15 14:03:00 -
[143]
Good try but since these mass test are for new stuff instead of figuring the fleet lag you introduced in Dominion I'll pass.
Let me know when you program a mass test event to specifically address what you guys screwed up in Dominion and I'll join.
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Glasson
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Posted - 2010.07.15 14:23:00 -
[144]
Suggestion: Deliver the results of the testing in a video dev blog while dressed as an exotic dancer while dancing as said exotics do... on a pole.
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Cyrus Doul
Cosmic Vacum Cleaners
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Posted - 2010.07.15 14:33:00 -
[145]
wait a sec, i just had an idea. If sisi is weird about stuff like that on the fact that the server is one node or whatever. why not just take volunteers to Jove space, seed the station and give them a hour for everyone to get fits ready. It would hopefully make it so you don't accidentally the whole server. If you set stuff to like .01 isk per unit I don't think people would care. Just no seeding skill books or implants as those can be snuck back out in people's heads.
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Cronan Vile
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.07.15 15:13:00 -
[146]
Suggestion.
Run a Marathon for a charity of the EVE communitys choice.
I think you should make the forfit more of a challenge and someone should benefit from all the nefarious villany of EVE.
D
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Ourico
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Posted - 2010.07.15 15:26:00 -
[147]
Get us a BeerShip!
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Abdiel Kavash
Caldari Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2010.07.15 15:32:00 -
[148]
Edited by: Abdiel Kavash on 15/07/2010 15:34:02 Even a minor token of gratitude (100k SP - less than a day of training? Unique ship along the lines of the event ones? Flashy graphics modules (pink smartbombs?) otherwise equal to the standard TII ones?) would certainly convince more people to spend their time on the tests. Acting like a moron for the amusement of all the 12 year old kids? Hell no, I'd rather spin my ship in station OMG PLANETZ! CCP needs to realize that just like minerals you mine yourself, testers you get from your playerbase are not free.
EVE Online: the only game where it's up to the players to debug the game code.
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Cronan Vile
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.07.15 15:33:00 -
[149]
that would work too...
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Bucky O'Hair
Minmatar Valklear Guard
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Posted - 2010.07.15 16:01:00 -
[150]
Wear a kilt and war-paint
Dress up as an exotic dancer
Dye my hair pink
All three of these,
only not around the office,
Do it at Fan Fest!!!!
Bucky O'Hair
"If it flys it dies!"
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Tara Nemisis
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Posted - 2010.07.15 16:11:00 -
[151]
I have come to learn that no matter how great something is that someone will always complain. But as alot of people have suggested, "testing on sisi is not going to help" I believe to be untrue and for the reasons that CCP has yet to get the participation they have asked for to do this testing. Honestly why would it be so much to ask that 500+ of the 50k accounts log on for a couple hours? It shouldn't be something anyone should require "payment" or "free game time" or free items.
With that being said I will attempt to be on sisi so long as work doesnt interfere and might I suggest if we hit the 500+ mark making an "Armageddon WEEK" on sisi with all lvl 5 skills for all and open up every ship and mod on market. This would be ample for some of us that dont have time to make the single day events and would be quite fun imo. I for one have no real need to see a fully grown man dress up in drag (especially since he may do that on his own free will anyway ) and I have seen enough of that from some of my corp m8s lol
In the end, its an epic game.. and really if it wasn't then all the people whining about every little issue wouldn't play. Really people, if its that bad then go outside and play with your friends, everyone needs someone to "ride bikes with" lmao.
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Krapylius Infamus
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Posted - 2010.07.15 16:30:00 -
[152]
hmm..tricky one, my prescious...how about you, plus a gang of the gm and content teams roaming through various highpopulated systems of eve, AS your selves (IE using your CCP names) in varying pink T1 ships, while flagged as killable with no consequences...AND at next fanfest you do the karaoke in hello kitty makeup, backed by a choir of the GM and content teams (due to their lack of ability to post proper suggestions) in dresses, and with dyed hair?
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BIASEDTHUNDER
More-Cowbell
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Posted - 2010.07.15 16:36:00 -
[153]
Originally by: Krapylius Infamus hmm..tricky one, my prescious...how about you, plus a gang of the gm and content teams roaming through various highpopulated systems of eve, AS your selves (IE using your CCP names) in varying pink T1 ships, while flagged as killable with no consequences...AND at next fanfest you do the karaoke in hello kitty makeup, backed by a choir of the GM and content teams (due to their lack of ability to post proper suggestions) in dresses, and with dyed hair?
I retract my previous statement, this is win only would add that maybe they do it for a day so everyone has a chance :)
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Ehranavaar
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Posted - 2010.07.15 16:42:00 -
[154]
Originally by: CCP Tanis Dye my hair pink [/quote
would that be ALL your hair?
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Smuutti Alluciam
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Posted - 2010.07.15 16:51:00 -
[155]
Sorry to tell you but any thursday at the time 20:00 GMT would be too late for me who has to go to work in the friday morning. Now I did not read all the 6 pages of replies to this topic but these are my opinions: - Make logging in to test server easier or let people login on Tranquility and observe it? - You might consider giving a special gift in-game for the people who actually participate in the mass-testing? - I do not want to see a male CCP staff member dressed up as a woman, I want to see real exotic dancers! \o/
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Niccolado Starwalker
Gallente Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2010.07.15 16:59:00 -
[156]
Tanis, I wonder... would it be possible for you guys to make it so that you could start SiSi from the same startmenu as I do start Tranquility from? Like, just add a dropdown box above the username/password field where you can choose what server you want to log on to? Also, if it requires two different game datas, maybe let it be so that when you try to log on to SiSi from this menu you are asked to update the client. Just like after a standard TQ patch, but this time it makes SiS available instead from the same client as TQ? Unfornately I speak from experience when I say that many people are dead lazy. Setting up two different clients and to ensure the correct patches are innstalled is "timeconsuming" and boring...
When that is said, I will see if I cam be there on SiS on the given dates..
Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL. |
Zeke Mobius
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Posted - 2010.07.15 17:50:00 -
[157]
Im in if i can select "Drinks a gallon of milk."
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James Tritanius
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Posted - 2010.07.15 17:59:00 -
[158]
Meh...
Singularity patch did not work on my Mac.
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2010.07.15 18:00:00 -
[159]
How about Tanis having to take a swim in the harbor outside the CCP office wearing a mankini?
Secure 3rd party service | my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar' |
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beepex
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Posted - 2010.07.15 18:03:00 -
[160]
Tanis,
None of your suggestions really do it so that players can "bring it". You really want players to show up? Throw the biggest, smelliest, bloodiest most wanted piece of bait that ALL players will jump at...SKILL POINTS.
No need for you to dress in drag or yell 'Freeeeeeeeeeeedom!"
Just offer us say like, 25,000 skill points for each day we participate...do all 3 days, get 75,000 skill points.
I'll bet my right nut that the word will spread like wild fire and your problem will be turned upside down from not having enough players to having too many players crying they can't get in and you should have expected this to happen and that they should be compensated for trauma, heartache and emotional distress and that you guys don't know how to handle a network, and that...
=)
Offer skill points and your problem is solved...
Beepex Gallente Puro Barrio FNA GANGSTERS & WHAT!
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Jasdemi
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Posted - 2010.07.15 18:42:00 -
[161]
Originally by: Chribba How about Tanis having to take a swim in the harbor outside the CCP office wearing a mankini?
This!
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DJ Obsidian
New Eden Technical Institutes
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Posted - 2010.07.15 18:56:00 -
[162]
Originally by: Jamyl TashMurkon You should fix the lag instead of going around in a dress.
Noob, quit posting.
For those of you now joining us let me explain to you, what the mass tests are for.
They are for finding lag. Period.
Where are the problems coming from and how to fix them. So the more you do not participate and say fix lag, the long its going to take. So yeah whining bad, shuting the **** up and helping out is good and will get problems solved faster. As it has been said many times these tests are to fix 0.0 and the lag. Oh and these tests have been going on since dominion. So if you think this is something new, well you are WRONG! No free handouts.
Ok now for feed back. Yeah Ed - I agree with you, there is more that goes on than just jumping in and shooting So maybe a list is needed and ccp has to look at it carefully.
1. Need to be able to use bombs. 2. As much as you dont want people to be podded, podding is needed on the test server BUT only in designated test areas. 3. Hot dropping after combat has started and bridging in. 4. Fighting at a bridge pos with people bridging in. 5. Fighting in a system near by to add additional stress.
How to do this, we need sp on SISI to catch up with our tq skills. Though the armageddon day idea on sisi seems to work best as all lvl 5 would mean dont have to worry about mirroring or anything like that.
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Malaquias Dionysis
Midnight Tokers
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Posted - 2010.07.15 19:53:00 -
[163]
My suggestions are the following: 1. A skill point incentive to the participating player based on the amount of his/her time spent in the test server. 2. A report of the results of the test.
This would be enough incentive for me to be there, and bring 5 of my RL friends.
I do not believe it is too much to ask as a permanent rule to gift SP for Temporary Game Testers. Nor is receiving a report, as we receive reports for the economy, patch updates, etc.
Please lend your support for this suggestion!
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Gris X
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Posted - 2010.07.15 20:53:00 -
[164]
Last time I heard, we are all paying for a service through a monthly subscription. Testing is part of CCP responsibility, and one of the reason we do pay a monthly fee. Also, last time I checked tester was an official job title, with a pay and all that.
Instead of offering silly bet, why not interest players to do your stress tests through either ISK or skill points donation or *gasp* real money....
When you ask for free work, you get as much as you paid for. With an incentive that clearly has a value, you'll get your best pick of testers, and can fill a test server more easily than by wearing silly outfit at the office..
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Cyrus Doul
Cosmic Vacum Cleaners
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Posted - 2010.07.15 21:33:00 -
[165]
Originally by: Chribba How about Tanis having to take a swim in the harbor outside the CCP office wearing a mankini?
If hes doing that chribba it needs to be in the winter. with before and after shots so we can all point and laugh.
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Dan O'Connor
Cerberus Network Dignitas.
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Posted - 2010.07.15 21:38:00 -
[166]
Originally by: Chribba How about Tanis having to take a swim in the harbor outside the CCP office wearing a mankini?
This!
Item DB | Sigs
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Tribal Traditionalist
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Posted - 2010.07.15 21:40:00 -
[167]
I bet more ppl would use SISI for your testings if it was easier. it is SO FREAKING HARD to find the right links, even in your test server forums most of the links on the 'how to' threads are broken or to wrong versions
CCP you need to streamline and make the download and install of the test server MUCH EASIER if you want to see bigger numbers on teh damn thing, once i spent 3 hours tring to get it to work following all your links and nothing worked, had to use a 3rd party site, to find the correct link for the current sisi version (that chukker.dk site)
Make Install Of sisi EASIER
FIX THE STICKY THREADS LINKS ON HOW TO INSTALL IN THE TEST FORUM SERVER
lol
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Cyrus Doul
Cosmic Vacum Cleaners
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Posted - 2010.07.15 21:44:00 -
[168]
Originally by: Tribal Traditionalist I bet more ppl would use SISI for your testings if it was easier. it is SO FREAKING HARD to find the right links, even in your test server forums most of the links on the 'how to' threads are broken or to wrong versions
CCP you need to streamline and make the download and install of the test server MUCH EASIER if you want to see bigger numbers on teh damn thing, once i spent 3 hours tring to get it to work following all your links and nothing worked, had to use a 3rd party site, to find the correct link for the current sisi version (that chukker.dk site)
Make Install Of sisi EASIER
FIX THE STICKY THREADS LINKS ON HOW TO INSTALL IN THE TEST FORUM SERVER
lol
x
it actually is easier If you download the full sisi install it will just update safely like tq does all the time. I think it will work this way using the sisi to tq patch. just be careful where you install the patch to. I havent used the shortcut trick in like six months.
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tasman devil
Amarr Imperium Galactica Omega Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.15 22:36:00 -
[169]
Edited by: tasman devil on 15/07/2010 22:36:12 - Captain! Test server player count is dwindling into single digits! What can we do!? - Release the B*tches Lieutenant!
And oh! Picture (of the dresses) or it didn't happen! ---------------------------------- Even if you don't belive in God, Be prepared to meet him anytime... |
beepex
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Posted - 2010.07.15 22:42:00 -
[170]
Okay, here's another idea:
Make everything free and available in the SiSi market to use.
One of the main attractions for me would be able to use and operate ships and modules that I still do not have the skills or isk for in TQ. Doing so would allow a great opportunity to learn more about ships, modules and even tactics as opposed to just reading about them and hearing from other players talk about it and not having the isk to back up any expensive losses...which is guaranteed.
There's a lot of whiny players in Eve...I'm sure you know. (wink,wink) And since I know CCP can't say this, I will:
Whiners, stop bleeding all over the place and being part of the problem by STFU and being a part of the solution.
While you shouldn't have to offer anything to get something tested thoroughly, you gotta do whatcha gotta do to get the job done...hey you asked right.. =)
My 2 isk for what they're worth. Use them or kick them to the curb...just don't let me see it when you do. It will hurt my heart...
Beepex Crazy Hardcore Mad Foaming Mouth FNA
umm yeah...
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DJ Obsidian
New Eden Technical Institutes
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Posted - 2010.07.15 22:46:00 -
[171]
ffs windows eating my posts.
Apparently todays test went better than usual. Proving ccp did read this thread some new elements were introduced
Titan Bridging, sleepers magaical create lag buggot void/ lock breaker bombs used.
Result: moal lag was produced and better data was collected, so, join up for the next mass test. If lucky we can have the lag problem solved by september, but you as a player are responsible as ccp cant create 1000 people out of thin air to find lag problems.
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Bankoff DarkFusion
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Posted - 2010.07.15 23:46:00 -
[172]
So, let me get this straight. After changing the PLEX rules so CCP can steal player money, after a week of Thugageddon, with griefing supposedly illegal in the EULA but advertised all over the forums, CCP wants me to spend more time "helping" a company of thugs just because a staff member makes a cute post.... Hmm. I may be that dumb one day but this is not that day.
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SammyullJackson
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Posted - 2010.07.15 23:56:00 -
[173]
Originally by: Bankoff DarkFusion So, let me get this straight. After changing the PLEX rules so CCP can steal player money, after a week of Thugageddon, with griefing supposedly illegal in the EULA but advertised all over the forums, CCP wants me to spend more time "helping" a company of thugs just because a staff member makes a cute post.... Hmm. I may be that dumb one day but this is not that day.
And how many Hulks did YOU lose, Lil' Banky?
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Auri Hella
Downwind Trading Guild
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Posted - 2010.07.16 00:18:00 -
[174]
Originally by: Bankoff DarkFusion after a week of Thugageddon, with griefing supposedly illegal in the EULA but advertised all over the forums
And I suppose you can point out exactly where in the EULA it says that Hulkageddon is in fact illegal?
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Seeing EyeDog
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Posted - 2010.07.16 00:30:00 -
[175]
Originally by: Kuolematon Oh oh! I know!
How about ..
.. You actually LISTEN TO YOUR PLAYERS and READ BUG REPORTS AND FIX 'EM?
Sick, I KNOW!
come on...thatd entail actual work _____________________
Originally by: Locus Bey Intelligence isn't a prequisite for being a Goon, in fact its a deficit.
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beepex
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Posted - 2010.07.16 00:37:00 -
[176]
Originally by: Bankoff DarkFusion So, let me get this straight. After changing the PLEX rules so CCP can steal player money, after a week of Thugageddon, with griefing supposedly illegal in the EULA but advertised all over the forums, CCP wants me to spend more time "helping" a company of thugs just because a staff member makes a cute post.... Hmm. I may be that dumb one day but this is not that day.
Are you ****ing kidding me? You know how on some ships that aura of light around them that is usually from ECM bursts or targeting modules shines around them? Well the level of gayness is doing the same for you. You want peace and comfort? Go to Farmville or Potville, I'd say Mafia Wars also but they attack when you're not looking too so you might have an emotional breakdown.
company of thugs? WTF is wrong with you man?
yet you still play huh...you like the abuse. say it, you know you do.
=)
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Bill Serkoff2
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Posted - 2010.07.16 00:51:00 -
[177]
Originally by: Chribba How about Tanis having to take a swim in the harbor outside the CCP office wearing a mankini?
THIS
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Helmh0ltz
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2010.07.16 01:10:00 -
[178]
Originally by: Chribba How about Tanis having to take a swim in the harbor outside the CCP office wearing a mankini?
This! ====== Your signature is freakishly huge for this forum. Please resize according to the forum rules, thanks. Shadow. |
Caladain Barton
Navy of Xoc Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.07.16 01:13:00 -
[179]
Give everyone who participates in the fleets SP on tranq as a reward. Put 0.0 Coalition FC's in charge of the fleets (they know how to keep order and get stuff done) instead of FW FC's.
... Profit?
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2010.07.16 02:53:00 -
[180]
Disgusting.. countless people opening up their hands, wanting sweets on TQ for 2 hours of their time, where it actually benefits some of them the most, and at the same time there are volunteers hedging the noobs/rookies and hunting bugs all the time. |
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KaarBaak
Minmatar Hell's Librarians Darkmatter Initiative
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Posted - 2010.07.16 04:13:00 -
[181]
Originally by: Tres Farmer Disgusting.. countless people opening up their hands, wanting sweets on TQ for 2 hours of their time, where it actually benefits some of them the most, and at the same time there are volunteers hedging the noobs/rookies and hunting bugs all the time.
Please read: Luke Chapter 15, verses 11-32
It's a parable. Applies.
KB
=vinur allra manna
MetaGaming |
Vance Seven
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Posted - 2010.07.16 04:56:00 -
[182]
How bout giving the participants free stuff like isk or skill points... I GUARANTEE youll get more people to test if you do that
why is the U before the A int guarantee?
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Super Whopper
I can Has Cheeseburger
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Posted - 2010.07.16 08:10:00 -
[183]
Edited by: Super Whopper on 16/07/2010 08:11:01
Quote: It was mentioned by CCP that the data does not seem to support that polished quality sells better than new features.
Mass testing = polishing data = not computing with data.
I recommend CCP devote more time to Xbox than mass wasting time.
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perseus520
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Posted - 2010.07.16 08:51:00 -
[184]
I bet if you gave out another ship that didnt really do anything youd get alot of people to turn out.
or put a mail in everyones box saying "show up-500k free skill points" that noone can cry when they didnt get the memo
smilies ftw
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Trygonus
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Posted - 2010.07.16 10:24:00 -
[185]
If we win, you will remove those ghost super capitals from the game and promise not to interfere with battle results again.
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Tharill daSai
Caldari Spirits Inc. Free United Spirits
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Posted - 2010.07.16 12:08:00 -
[186]
Originally by: Chribba How about Tanis having to take a swim in the harbor outside the CCP office wearing a mankini?
This!
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Syekuda
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2010.07.16 13:23:00 -
[187]
CCP Tanis, how about giving something back to the community(people who were on the mass test on sisi ofc). Those poeple did help CCP so I think it's fair you give something to them. Either ISK or items like ships and all that.
I would love to get a BC just to test the server.
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Life is pleasant. Death is peaceful. It's the transition that's troublesome.
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2010.07.16 14:14:00 -
[188]
Originally by: Chribba How about Tanis having to take a swim in the harbor outside the CCP office wearing a mankini?
This. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
Originally by: CCP Fallout Been there. Done that. Need antibiotics.
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Zagdul
Gallente Shadowed Command Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.07.16 14:28:00 -
[189]
Edited by: Zagdul on 16/07/2010 14:28:37
I will bet 1000 skill points that >500 will show.
And for every person over 500, I want 1000.
Deal?
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3rr0rc0d3
Amarr Red Federation
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Posted - 2010.07.16 15:33:00 -
[190]
Originally by: Chribba How about Tanis having to take a swim in the harbor outside the CCP office wearing a mankini?
This! And make it a pink mankini! ______________________ CCP: Inspired by Iceland. |
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Wintron Auto
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.07.16 16:10:00 -
[191]
NNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
how about, if we win, you have to fix a bug?
not like lag, but like... maybe a UI that is less excruciating to use than being drawn and quartered?
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Pan Crastus
Anti-Metagaming League
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Posted - 2010.07.16 19:58:00 -
[192]
Our time isn't really free - CCP would get much better participation if they gave us something in return (other than fewer bugs). Just compare this:
- EVE costs a monthly fee and bug-hunting gets customers nothing (well apparently we get CCP Tanis promising to do silly things)
- Mozilla makes free software and gives away $3000 for reporting security flaws
How to PVP: 1. buy ISK with GTCs, 2. fit cloak, learn aggro mechanics, 3. buy second account for metagaming
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Pr1ncess Alia
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Posted - 2010.07.16 22:16:00 -
[193]
Incentive for players to log in sisi and help test is one thing
WHAT BOTHERS ME IS: FIXES TO THIS GAME SOMEHOW REQUIRE THE BENEVOLENCE OF THE COMMUNITY
I mean, wtf kind of keystone operation is this?
Has anyone suggested manditory CCP staff all log in? Has anyone suggested programing a client simulator that can mimick and replicate multiple users???
How the hell can the functionality of the game depend on player volunteered testing?
Well it gives a very simple and grim answer to 'what kind of qq goes into patches'
Basically a "well let's hope this works" and then a "we'll ignore the issue / pretend it's something else" for a goddamn year.
Any software developer worth their ilk would at least consider rolling back bad code revisions when the player base tells them they don't work.
CCP's solution? Randomly poke at things for season after season and begging hundreds to thousands of their players to assist for free.
You lot know we pay for the game right? Oh, that's right, no one in CCP management gives a flying **** about that. They owe us nothing, we owe you everything.
--- Players are losing faith and loyalty in CCP due previous expansions not living up to player expectations. The CSM and CCP agreed that expectation management can be improved |
Lord Moss
Caldari Radar Blip Inc.
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Posted - 2010.07.16 22:33:00 -
[194]
Originally by: Chribba How about Tanis having to take a swim in the harbor outside the CCP office wearing a mankini?
This!
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Krecian
Gallente Essence of Decay Black Cartel.
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Posted - 2010.07.16 22:44:00 -
[195]
I'm sitting here thinking that the suggestions tossed in by the original post while amusing, really don't have enough punch. Making a spectacle of yourself among your workmates is not nearly as humiliating as doing so in public.
If we the players bring it, I suggest that not only Tanis, but several other members of the staff make cardboard cutouts of their favorite spaceships, wear said cutouts to a local shopping center, and run around the shopping center making load "pew pew" noises at each other.
Failing that, I'll settle for Tanis dressing up like Brumhilde, complete with the blonde braides, singing his choice of lyrics of Wagner's "Ride of the Valkerie" in the original German while on top of the CCP corporate building.
There are my suggestions. Now players, make it so!
--------- "The first rock thrown again, welcome to hell little saint. Mother Gia in slaughter, welcome to paradise soldier." -Nightwish, Planet Hell |
SupaKudoRio
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Posted - 2010.07.17 07:45:00 -
[196]
Edited by: SupaKudoRio on 17/07/2010 07:45:57
Originally by: Krecian I suggest that not only Tanis, but several other members of the staff make cardboard cutouts of their favorite spaceships, wear said cutouts to a local shopping center, and run around the shopping center making load "pew pew" noises at each other
THIS. Goddamn it THIS. Someone be sure to record it and stick it on youtube.
A less awful UI would be nice though... nah, I'll stick with the more realistic choice.
QFT
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Imiarr Timshae
Caldari Funny Men In Funny Hats
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Posted - 2010.07.17 07:50:00 -
[197]
Edited by: Imiarr Timshae on 17/07/2010 07:50:27
Originally by: CCP Tanis
Don't like these options? Suggest your own! The top player-suggestion which we could actually do will be added to the choices when it goes to a vote
FIX ROCKETS -----
Originally by: GM Horse
Remember kids, both meth and macro use are Really Quite Bad Things.
Originally by: CCP Shadow Tragic smelting accidents.
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Odvian
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Posted - 2010.07.17 12:09:00 -
[198]
Wearing a mankini for a day at CCP offices
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Azereal Daemon
Conglomo IMPERIAL LEGI0N
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Posted - 2010.07.17 12:26:00 -
[199]
Originally by: Chribba How about Tanis having to take a swim in the harbor outside the CCP office wearing a mankini?
This!
Seriously.
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Faffywaffy
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Posted - 2010.07.17 15:33:00 -
[200]
As a software developer, my suspicion is that the mass tests are nothing more than an attempt by the devs to show that they are doing something to fix the lag. The reality is, most likely, that the code is such a mess that they have lost any hope of understanding, much less being able to fix, it. This is consistent with the focus on developing new features unrelated to old (uncomprehensible) code, instead of trying to fix issues in it.
Statements that players stress the server in unique ways would have been plausible if large-scale fights only lagged out occasionally. When every single fight with 500 or more players is laggy as to be near-unusable, when nodes with 1000 players crash as a rule rather than the exception, reproducing the issue requires no participation from real players, and no development of "sentient AI".
Step A: Place 500 ships on a gate grid and have 500 more attempt to jump in. Step B: Profile/debug until every jumping ship loads grid within a reasonable time.
Similarly simple scenarios could be devised to profile other manifestations of lag.
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Hemp Invader
EVERYTHING IS TERRIBLE Prime Orbital Systems
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Posted - 2010.07.17 21:24:00 -
[201]
Dye my hair pink.
i myself did it once when i lost a bet, humiliation at school for the next 2 months is awesome
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Fortune Foru
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Posted - 2010.07.18 01:40:00 -
[202]
pic of you in your war paint + dress, face down, in a pool of vomit in the data center (vomit can be fake obviously)
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Mandogg
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.07.18 04:12:00 -
[203]
Sorry TL;DR
Give the first 500 people who log on 100k sp and everyone else 50k if they attend the mass testing. The SP wont cost CCP anything plus it will solve their needs of trying to get people on. I bet we can crash that server to. Hell I bet if the testing started at 2:30 in the morning people would set their alarm clocks just so that they wont miss it, not to mention the amount of ALTs that they would log in with as well.
mis dos centavos....
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Memphis Baas
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Posted - 2010.07.18 11:08:00 -
[204]
Originally by: Krecian I'm sitting here thinking that the suggestions tossed in by the original post while amusing, really don't have enough punch.
Of course they don't have enough punch. He's being silly in order to raise awareness and advertise, and thus get more participation. If you want punch, this:
- If enough people show, Tanis keeps his job, if not, he gets fired.
That has punch.
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Nvee
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Posted - 2010.07.18 11:18:00 -
[205]
tbh, no one cares enough to see you dressed like a dumbass.
give everyone 100k free skill points that shows up. It's win win for everyone. |
Domonique Molvoy
Exploitation Inc.
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Posted - 2010.07.18 11:52:00 -
[206]
Originally by: Chribba How about Tanis having to take a swim in the harbor outside the CCP office wearing a mankini?
This. Domonique Molvoy Shiptoasting extraordinaire |
stolen4u
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Posted - 2010.07.18 12:49:00 -
[207]
Originally by: Chribba How about Tanis having to take a swim in the harbor outside the CCP office wearing a mankini?
This!
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Ressiv
Cooperative Freelance Navigators Association
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Posted - 2010.07.18 18:09:00 -
[208]
... I hope you like mankini's ========================== Nothing is true, everything is permitted. ========================== |
Tobias Sjodin
Ore Mongers Black Hand.
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Posted - 2010.07.18 20:12:00 -
[209]
How about fixing lag as a promise instead?
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mechtech
SRS Industries SRS.
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Posted - 2010.07.19 04:15:00 -
[210]
Originally by: Mandogg Sorry TL;DR
Give the first 500 people who log on 100k sp and everyone else 50k if they attend the mass testing. The SP wont cost CCP anything plus it will solve their needs of trying to get people on. I bet we can crash that server to. Hell I bet if the testing started at 2:30 in the morning people would set their alarm clocks just so that they wont miss it, not to mention the amount of ALTs that they would log in with as well.
mis dos centavos....
Skill points should never be acquirable through in game or out of game means like this (refunds for uber downtimes are fine). This would be a major shift of Eve as a whole, and if it were to ever happen there would need to be round table discussions at CCP and dev blogs. This would be a huge change that would need to be planned extensively (how else to acquire SP).
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Ben Derindar
Dirty Deeds Corp.
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Posted - 2010.07.19 05:39:00 -
[211]
I'm actually not that big on awarding skill points for turning up to planned events. Keep them as compensation for unplanned events such as the extended DT that happened recently. Perhaps issue some medals instead?
As far as the ease of getting on to Sisi is concerned, bring back the server drop-down menu at the login prompt, like it was in the days of Chaos. Then as part of the login process, have the client compare versions between the target server and itself and refuse anything that doesn't match. We'd still need two installs of course, but no more faffing around with command line parameters every time the test server undergoes a config change itself.
Personally I could write off my own non-participation to bitter vet syndrome, but that'd be too easy. The fact that they're typically held at like 5am my time doesn't help much either.
/Ben
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occyxxx
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Posted - 2010.07.19 07:08:00 -
[212]
Edited by: occyxxx on 19/07/2010 07:09:17
Originally by: Ben Derindar I'm actually not that big on awarding skill points for turning up to planned events. Keep them as compensation for unplanned events such as the extended DT that happened recently. Perhaps issue some medals instead?
Award medals or something nerdy and rely on the empire carebears to rock up and do the fleet stuff... If you want 0.0 alliances on server in mass the reward needs to be worth it because atm the biggest problem is the feeling around the place is that even if 0.0 alliances did "cowboy up" and help at the mass testings ccp still wouldn't/couldn't fix the problems...there is no confidence in the dev's or the company anymore. |
Abdiel Kavash
Caldari Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2010.07.19 08:59:00 -
[213]
Originally by: occyxxx Edited by: occyxxx on 19/07/2010 07:09:17
Originally by: Ben Derindar I'm actually not that big on awarding skill points for turning up to planned events. Keep them as compensation for unplanned events such as the extended DT that happened recently. Perhaps issue some medals instead?
Award medals or something nerdy and rely on the empire carebears to rock up and do the fleet stuff... If you want 0.0 alliances on server in mass the reward needs to be worth it because atm the biggest problem is the feeling around the place is that even if 0.0 alliances did "cowboy up" and help at the mass testings ccp still wouldn't/couldn't fix the problems...there is no confidence in the dev's or the company anymore.
To be honest, this pretty much sums it up completely. These tests have been going on for more than half a year now, and there are no really visible improvements. If anything, the situation is slowly getting even worse. You can only keep players interested by "we are working on it" for so long. Unless the players see visible improvements as a result of these tests, they will soon deem it not worth their time.
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Ehris Bok
United Kings R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.07.19 12:47:00 -
[214]
Originally by: Chribba How about Tanis having to take a swim in the harbor outside the CCP office wearing a mankini?
^^ OMG yes this
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Andrea Griffin
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Posted - 2010.07.19 16:01:00 -
[215]
Originally by: Ehris Bok
Originally by: Chribba How about Tanis having to take a swim in the harbor outside the CCP office wearing a mankini?
^^ OMG yes this
After he's had a Brazillian waxing. : > Fix Rockets in '08 '09 2010 2011 2012?! |
Fenris Ulfur
Bio Material Inc
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Posted - 2010.07.19 16:04:00 -
[216]
Sadly I wont be able to attend the first one [EYJAR!!!] but I'll join the other two --------------------------------------------------------------------- "But rather than that you question my courage, let someone put his hand in my mouth as a pledge that this is done in good faith" |
Rexthor Hammerfists
Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.07.19 18:49:00 -
[217]
Nice idea, im for the answering petitions all day if you atleast add a link to the pic in the answers ;)
4 accs to the test if i got the time. -
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Br41n
Amarr Pinky and the Brain corp
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Posted - 2010.07.20 13:41:00 -
[218]
Edited by: Br41n on 20/07/2010 13:42:35 Tanis, if you would dance as an exotic dancer for 30 minutes in front of a streaming webcam we can talk.
Another option, walk around all day in the office wearing this: Lovely
And we want pics ofcourse ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Pinky: Gee, Brain. What are we going to do tonight?
Brain: The same thing we do every night, Pinky. Try to take over the world. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
Dopekitten
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Posted - 2010.07.20 17:51:00 -
[219]
Originally by: CCP Tanis Don't like these options? Suggest your own! The top player-suggestion which we could actually do will be added to the choices when it goes to a vote
Fix rockets.
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Matalino
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Posted - 2010.07.20 18:22:00 -
[220]
Originally by: mechtech
Originally by: Mandogg Sorry TL;DR
Give the first 500 people who log on 100k sp and everyone else 50k if they attend the mass testing. The SP wont cost CCP anything plus it will solve their needs of trying to get people on. I bet we can crash that server to. Hell I bet if the testing started at 2:30 in the morning people would set their alarm clocks just so that they wont miss it, not to mention the amount of ALTs that they would log in with as well.
mis dos centavos....
Skill points should never be acquirable through in game or out of game means like this (refunds for uber downtimes are fine). This would be a major shift of Eve as a whole, and if it were to ever happen there would need to be round table discussions at CCP and dev blogs. This would be a huge change that would need to be planned extensively (how else to acquire SP).
Agreed: Skill points on TQ should never be acquirable through in game or out of game means like this.
However, giving skills points on Sisi would be cool. Don't muck around with something tiny like 100k. Instead, at the end of each test, give everyone who participated 10mil skill points on Sisi. It would only last until the next mirror and would obviously have no impact on TQ, but it could create a positive reinforcement on fleet test participation. Each time a player attends a test, he/she will have nice chunk of new skill points for the next test.
Originally by: Krecian I suggest that not only Tanis, but several other members of the staff make cardboard cutouts of their favorite spaceships, wear said cutouts to a local shopping center, and run around the shopping center making load "pew pew" noises at each other
Otherwise, this sounds like the best suggestion so far. They also need to use laser pointers to shoot each other.
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Dimdi
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Posted - 2010.07.21 10:59:00 -
[221]
:D
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Isaac Apylon
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2010.07.21 18:19:00 -
[222]
Forget public humiliation, fix rockets, so that my poor merlins/breachers/khanid ships can actually use them as primary weapon systems without being complete ****mobiles. Your offer is appreciated, but a minor fix to one thing or another would be infinitely better.
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Ressiv
Cooperative Freelance Navigators Association
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Posted - 2010.07.21 18:50:00 -
[223]
Originally by: Abdiel Kavash These tests have been going on for more than half a year now, and there are no really visible improvements. If anything, the situation is slowly getting even worse. You can only keep players interested by "we are working on it" for so long. Unless the players see visible improvements as a result of these tests, they will soon deem it not worth their time.
Funny comment ... reminds me of a song and a current trent in how people behave ..
The song is: Linkage The trent is: I'm too bussy with my own **** to be bothered with yours. l8er
Why the hell do you think this bet is up ? Cuz CCP Tanis loves making an ass out of himself ? Or in an attempt to get more of us on the test for the mass test, as up till now, they apparantly didnt get enough people online to do meaningfull testing..
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Bacchanalian
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2010.07.22 08:05:00 -
[224]
Edited by: Bacchanalian on 22/07/2010 08:05:06
Originally by: Faffywaffy As a software developer, my suspicion is that the mass tests are nothing more than an attempt by the devs to show that they are doing something to fix the lag. The reality is, most likely, that the code is such a mess that they have lost any hope of understanding, much less being able to fix, it. This is consistent with the focus on developing new features unrelated to old (uncomprehensible) code, instead of trying to fix issues in it.
Statements that players stress the server in unique ways would have been plausible if large-scale fights only lagged out occasionally. When every single fight with 500 or more players is laggy as to be near-unusable, when nodes with 1000 players crash as a rule rather than the exception, reproducing the issue requires no participation from real players, and no development of "sentient AI".
Step A: Place 500 ships on a gate grid and have 500 more attempt to jump in. Step B: Profile/debug until every jumping ship loads grid within a reasonable time.
Similarly simple scenarios could be devised to profile other manifestations of lag.
Not to mention it's generally not a mystery to CCP when large fleet battles are going to occur now that you can petition to reinforce nodes. One would think they could have a couple people around to watch what happens.
____________________ GM Sunshine > oops Neurotica > Hate to see a GM in your gang say 'oops'
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Ban Doga
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Posted - 2010.07.22 08:19:00 -
[225]
Edited by: Ban Doga on 22/07/2010 08:23:41
Originally by: Ressiv
Originally by: Abdiel Kavash These tests have been going on for more than half a year now, and there are no really visible improvements. If anything, the situation is slowly getting even worse. You can only keep players interested by "we are working on it" for so long. Unless the players see visible improvements as a result of these tests, they will soon deem it not worth their time.
Funny comment ... reminds me of a song and a current trent in how people behave ..
The song is: Linkage The trent is: I'm too bussy with my own **** to be bothered with yours. l8er
Why the hell do you think this bet is up ? Cuz CCP Tanis loves making an ass out of himself ? Or in an attempt to get more of us on the test for the mass test, as up till now, they apparantly didnt get enough people online to do meaningfull testing..
Every test I joined was lagging to hell and back.
That is a perfectly problematic situation (firing 15 rounds in 20 minutes with a RoF of 4 seconds is definitely wrong) that can be worked on. Even IF 200 additional players would show more / other problems, there is something that can be worked on and improved. But you don't see any improvements on that, instead you hear statements about DEVs thinking module lag is an urban myth.
And if you look at the number of players that participanted (here) you will see that - in the beginning - there were usually well over 300 people, sometimes even 500, there. Those are the numbers Tanis asked for.
It's only recently that the number of participant players is decreasing. Who's wondering why?
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Veliria
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Posted - 2010.07.22 10:57:00 -
[226]
Run through the halls of CCP's building shouting an issue picked by the player. When not running, shout the issue as well, atleast every few minutes.
I can only imagine the other CCPs watching Tanis running by screaming: "ROFLKETS ROFLKETS ROFLKETS ROFLKETS ROFLKETS..."
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CCP Tanis
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Posted - 2010.07.22 13:29:00 -
[227]
Just a little bump/reminder that the first Mass-test that counts for this bet will be August 5th @ 20:00 GMT.
It's also worth noting here that we've started working with the CSM to explore options for increasing turnout, and making these test events more "worth your time" so to speak. I'll be honest and say these things take time, so please don't expect immediate results, but we've started talking about it and we're all very keen to find sustainable ways of making this whole mass-testing program work better for everyone involved.
____________________________ I break thingsÖ CCP Tanis - EVE Quality Assurance|EVE Live Team CCP Games |
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CCP Tanis
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Posted - 2010.07.22 13:30:00 -
[228]
Originally by: Veliria Run through the halls of CCP's building shouting an issue picked by the player. When not running, shout the issue as well, atleast every few minutes.
I can only imagine the other CCPs watching Tanis running by screaming: "ROFLKETS ROFLKETS ROFLKETS ROFLKETS ROFLKETS..."
I love this idea!
____________________________ I break thingsÖ CCP Tanis - EVE Quality Assurance|EVE Live Team CCP Games |
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James Tritanius
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Posted - 2010.07.22 15:39:00 -
[229]
Originally by: CCP Tanis Just a little bump/reminder that the first Mass-test that counts for this bet will be August 5th @ 20:00 GMT.
It's also worth noting here that we've started working with the CSM to explore options for increasing turnout, and making these test events more "worth your time" so to speak. I'll be honest and say these things take time, so please don't expect immediate results, but we've started talking about it and we're all very keen to find sustainable ways of making this whole mass-testing program work better for everyone involved.
It would be beneficial to make the sisi client more stable and allow us to actually install it without hitch.
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cBOLTSON
Reaction Theory Talos Coalition
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Posted - 2010.07.23 01:14:00 -
[230]
You know what, I think thats incentive enough. Never tried the test server so I may just get on it for that august 5th test.... just mabye (-_o)
And what ever you decide to do if we win the bet, record it and put it on youtube!! :)
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Lieutenant Antiri
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Posted - 2010.07.23 05:26:00 -
[231]
In this thread: CCP Tanis reveals he is a closet cross dresser busting to come out!
I'm in!
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trade beatch
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Posted - 2010.07.23 12:01:00 -
[232]
here's and idea...you want to find out whats generating the lag?? then fine. we can show you, we can muster the 500+ people you want. but the only way you are gonna see the lag we experience is by letting us fight our way! that means we FC our own fleets, we fly how we would normally fly. by all means have ccp members in the fleets but you cant compare what you generate in controlled circumstances with what we see every time we have fleet fights on TQ.
so you want the numbers, speka to the major blocks and have there fc's form fleets to fight on sisi for you.....then you will see the lag we see! and yes that nees to include caps/supercaps as they are very common nowadays.
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Shadow Bloodtear
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Posted - 2010.07.26 11:09:00 -
[233]
I can bring 10+, but I'm sure my client side statistics will drag down the whole result of the tests.
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Cire XIII
Caldari Ever Flow Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.27 01:21:00 -
[234]
Originally by: Shadow Bloodtear I can bring 10+, but I'm sure my client side statistics will drag down the whole result of the tests.
I'll be at work, but I implore you to bring those accounts. The real issuesers for us play are server side and as long as you can get your characters in warp to the grid of battle you should be able to have an effect on the server similar to that experience on TQ.
-C
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Domania
Aperture Harmonics K162
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Posted - 2010.07.27 15:53:00 -
[235]
Originally by: CCP Tanis
Originally by: Veliria Run through the halls of CCP's building shouting an issue picked by the player. When not running, shout the issue as well, atleast every few minutes.
I can only imagine the other CCPs watching Tanis running by screaming: "ROFLKETS ROFLKETS ROFLKETS ROFLKETS ROFLKETS..."
I love this idea!
Do I sense another CCP video?
"Looks up an issue from players from the desk" "Rockets..." Tanis says quietly to himself. "What was that?" An CCP Employee next to him asks with a curious look on his face. CCP Tanis looks up at the employee with a shocked look. "Rockets... Rockets... ROCKETS!!!" Tanis starts yelling as he pushes everything off his desk and starts running down the halls screaming the issue, everyone in the building poking their heads from their office wondering what was happening.
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Spectre 6567
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2010.07.28 12:25:00 -
[236]
Since the database is broke (again) might be a good time to go and vote!
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Deerin
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Posted - 2010.07.28 12:45:00 -
[237]
Well...I don't know CCP tanis and if CCP tanis is a female CCP member, then none of the "penalties" are "embarassing" enough. In fact She can do them all at once and look good :P
What about offering skill points for those who participate in test. You'll get above 5k subscribers on sisi his way and can really test your hardware to the limit.
...or a lottery with multiple small prizes?
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McKinlay
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.07.28 12:59:00 -
[238]
Originally by: CCP Tanis Just a little bump/reminder that the first Mass-test that counts for this bet will be August 5th @ 20:00 GMT.
It's also worth noting here that we've started working with the CSM to explore options for increasing turnout, and making these test events more "worth your time" so to speak. I'll be honest and say these things take time, so please don't expect immediate results, but we've started talking about it and we're all very keen to find sustainable ways of making this whole mass-testing program work better for everyone involved.
Hey yo. There has been over 1000 people fighting (or making a rough approximation of fighting due to lag) consistently for the last 3 days in C-J6MT.
ISD EVEN REPORTED ON IT.
Just letting you know.
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RifterDrifter
They Found Oil On Your Anus
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Posted - 2010.07.28 14:15:00 -
[239]
Edited by: RifterDrifter on 28/07/2010 14:15:24
Originally by: McKinlay
Hey yo. There has been over 1000 people fighting (or making a rough approximation of fighting due to lag) consistently for the last 3 days in C-J6MT.
ISD EVEN REPORTED ON IT.
Just letting you know.
Yes sure, but the important question here is:
Was a fleet fight notification filed for this current fight? I'm not able to see if one was at the moment but if not it is always a good idea to file one at http://www.eveonline.com/fleetfightnotification.asp. It makes a difference. _______________________________________________
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Aralieus
Amarr The Inf1dels En Garde
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Posted - 2010.07.29 03:19:00 -
[240]
All lvl 5 skills on Singularity for a 24 hour period (after a fresh mirror)
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Grady Eltoren
Minmatar Aviation Professionals for EVE
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Posted - 2010.07.29 05:00:00 -
[241]
Originally by: Aralieus All lvl 5 skills on Singularity for a 24 hour period (after a fresh mirror)
Aralieus beat me to it!
This! : )
In general though Tanis - maybe you could make this a permanent feature of Sisi if you don't mind. I know I for one and a few of my corpies would be much more inclined to get on Sisi if we had this option. It would just be nice to see what these skills do since it will be years before we fly stuff like a Titan, etc.
Aviation Professionals for EVE (APEVE)
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Tobruk
Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.07.29 05:37:00 -
[242]
I have A TOTALY SWEET BET FOR YOU CCP TANIS!
IM TOTAL EXCITED ABOUT IT!!!!!
NOT BEING CORNEY OR CONDESCENDING THIS IS REALLY GOING TO BE A GREAT BET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
IM ALSO NOT GOING TO ACT LIKE YOU ARE IN 4TH GRADE AND OFFER YOU TO GAK ME OR MAKE ME CROSS DRESS - IM OFFERING YOU YOUR FINANCIAL FUTURE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I BET IF YOU DON'T FIX YOUR GAME WITHOUT RELYING ON YOUR CUSTOMERS TO DO YOUR WORK FOR YOU ITS GOING TO GO AWAY! ---------------------------------------------- Please re-size your signature to the maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist |
Ace Frehley
Minmatar TAKEN. Dead Terrorists
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Posted - 2010.07.29 09:12:00 -
[243]
Hmm tempted to say, customersupport so maybe something would be answeard by a human and not a macro. But the effort, you can just take a random system now and monitor it. You dont need 500 players, 4 is enuf atm
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Nerys Norlap
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Posted - 2010.07.29 11:43:00 -
[244]
Originally by: CCP Tanis The ideas came from the EVE Content and GM teams. I'm not sure why they're so fixated on me being in a dress, but who am I to question their insane desires?
Feel free to suggest your own as well. If I lose, we'll add the most popular suggestion (assuming it's feasible) into the options for voting at the end.
Nevermind the dress. Sit in an Ibis in hi-sec with a small bounty on you, and let newbs blow you to pieces all day long!
Dev Ganking ftw !!!!!
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Richard Christy
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Posted - 2010.07.29 17:42:00 -
[245]
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mamolian
Cruoris Seraphim
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Posted - 2010.07.29 19:49:00 -
[246]
Provide signed copies of pictures of you or the other devs wearing thongs on the eve store.
DOOOO ITTTT -----------
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Varesk
Gallente Maelstrom Crew Paradigm Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.29 21:44:00 -
[247]
I will bet you that you will not fix the server lag or anything else until after you release the final versions of PI,DUST and WIS. I will return in 36 months to collect. I know one of your fellow CCP employees said 18 months, but 18 months is really 36 months in CCP time.
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Asruv'ynn
GeoCorp. -Mostly Harmless-
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Posted - 2010.07.30 05:37:00 -
[248]
As humorous as a 30-something male in Woman's undergarments and a wig would be, I'd much rather have some videos, pictures and some dev blogs on the Incarna/DUST 514 developments. I absolutely loved watching the videos and reading up from all the goodies from last fanfest and being that there isn't to be one this year, why not shovel over some tasty info on your (CCP's) latest work? I'm very excited to see all this new content that I'm sure you've all been working diligently on for the past 12 months. Obviously it's a long shot, but figured I'd request it nevertheless.
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Liandra Xi
Amarr Ascendent. On the Rocks
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Posted - 2010.07.30 07:42:00 -
[249]
How about this bet: If we get more than 1000 players turn up to all 3 events, you do the following:
Fix the game killing lag.
Yeh ok obvious troll is obvious but heh, I would turn up for fleet testing myself if it wasn't always scheduled at about 4am australian time for me.
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Puskarich
Caldari The Greater Goon Clockwork Pineapple
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Posted - 2010.07.30 07:51:00 -
[250]
Maybe something like a small skillpoint award for those who log into singularity and show up in X system. Then battle royale for lag testing.
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HarshMistress
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.08.01 03:41:00 -
[251]
Originally by: RifterDrifter Edited by: RifterDrifter on 28/07/2010 14:15:24 Was a fleet fight notification filed for this current fight?
Hi, welcome to Eve. Name 'T20' mean anything to you?
As far as I'm aware, it's really quite difficult to predict if people are going to turn up on the field of HONOR and even more difficult to consider filling out the paperwork to notify someone that it's going to happen. Plus that whole 'T20' affair made people really suspicious. Again, not to put too fine a point on it, the sharpest tools in all of Eve, the ISD, have been reporting on that particular handbag fight. I'm guessing the logs show absolutely nothing, though.
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Dasola
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.08.01 16:04:00 -
[252]
Too bad we cant get public apology from ceo of ccp if they loose this bet. Video in youtube of course, saying, we at ccp and me xxxxxx excpecially have seen the light of wisdom of our userbase. We apologice for being totally wrong what you wanted....
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Jawmare
The Python Cartel. The Jerk Cartel
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Posted - 2010.08.01 21:14:00 -
[253]
Maybe in 18 months.
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Nemiskas
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Posted - 2010.08.02 03:13:00 -
[254]
I would like to help out if it aided towards getting some of the many issues fixed.
But since I cant even log into singularity due to the fact my account is not old enough I'm more or less out of options now aren't I.
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Zee Wolf
Minmatar GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.08.02 11:50:00 -
[255]
maybe in 18 months
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Antoine Lefevre
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.08.02 12:36:00 -
[256]
indeed make them armageddon days and see singularity crash and burn
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Everseeker
Caldari The Graduates
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Posted - 2010.08.03 11:54:00 -
[257]
Quote: we're still not quite happy with the player turnout to these events.
Keep holding them during the USA Work day, during the week, keep getting no input from a large part of your player base...
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Nanfoodle
Rise Rebel Resist
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Posted - 2010.08.03 13:11:00 -
[258]
Will check this thread again in 18 months, hopefully I'll have the time and resources to help then.
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Still Related
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Posted - 2010.08.03 16:26:00 -
[259]
Provide 100,000 SP for each account that takes part in the fleet battles and you'll undoubtedly meet your mark.
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Zostera
Minmatar Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.08.03 17:51:00 -
[260]
Edited by: Zostera on 03/08/2010 17:54:37 Edited by: Zostera on 03/08/2010 17:53:16
Offering us pics in a kilt as an incentive is pretty insulting to what I figure is a pretty intelligent community. You really think we love you so much that we will say "oh yes gosh what fun a dev in a kilt"?How about GTFO or offer a real incentive.
Yet another wonderful foot in mouth moment from CCP.
You guys really dumb where PR is concerned.
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chopper14
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Posted - 2010.08.03 22:18:00 -
[261]
Hey CCP, I'm pretty sure the reason for the bad turnout has nothing to do with wether or not people want to get on Sisi and help.
the typical gamer isn't computer savy and does not know or have the patience to be bothered learning about computers, Not enough to clone sisy and pobably loose their last bit of confidence when they run into the warning message telling them not to F### it up.
That being what it is. If you really want to keep the general public out of sisi most of the time except when you need their help then you are going to have to leave a link in their news that links them to a patch that will do everything they need.
After your test is done go back and make it incompatible, and remove the DL genie from the news.
After your professional patches crashed both my wifes and my own PC's. (Can you say FUBAR!! It's kind of like HTFU only it cost 3k) yeah she won't let me touch HER new laptop I replaced her junked, won't even turn on PC with. You might understand why I was terrified the first time a friend lead me through the sisi patch. (on MY new laptop) I made him help me the next 2 times the auto update failed before I got comfortable enough to do it myself.
The average gamer is used to playing a game not running a computer.
Just my .3k Cents.
Chopps
P.S. Can you fix the lag? It's murder on laptops.
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Hulkageddon Jackpot
Amarr Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2010.08.04 07:15:00 -
[262]
Step 1: Ask for our help (completed) Step 2: Make sisi work with the regular client for mass tests Step 3: Reward a small amount of SP to participants for their time ??? Step 4: PROFIT!
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Xandor M
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Posted - 2010.08.04 11:02:00 -
[263]
I'd participate if it weren't at the most awkward time ever.
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grrfsweld
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Posted - 2010.08.04 12:22:00 -
[264]
Edited by: grrfsweld on 04/08/2010 12:23:05 Edited by: grrfsweld on 04/08/2010 12:22:14 Edited by: grrfsweld on 04/08/2010 12:21:49
Originally by: Hulkageddon Jackpot
Step 2: Make sisi work with the regular client for mass tests
now, how exactly should TESTING fixes work then? not everything is serverside, you mormon. Rafa Benitez says get out!
(this is a PR picture of the EVE Forum Police, as of forum rules it should not exceed the maximum allowed PIXELS, but since your wiki is dead I cant look it up right now) Terrible alt poster. EVE Forum Police - keeping mods at bay |
Hulkageddon Jackpot
Amarr Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2010.08.04 13:51:00 -
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Originally by: grrfsweld
now, how exactly should TESTING fixes work then? not everything is serverside, you mormon. Rafa Benitez says get out!
oh I don't know... maybe because testing with the actual client in use first is considered good practice ?
But then it's not like I spent years doing QA or anything .
After that, you add a simple non-intrusive way for people to automatically generate a sisi setup from their regular one (here's a though place a "help us test!" button on the login screen to run the script) RATHER than requiring people who may not be computer savvy to perform folder operations. Add to that a tiny bit of incentive like skillpoints, and you can go try out some fixes.
P.S. Also please note that I am agnostic, and I find your insinuations of believing in a man in the sky offensive.
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Kalen Pavle
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Posted - 2010.08.04 19:48:00 -
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How old is the mirror on sisi? I'm probably not active.
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Obsidian Hawk
RONA Legion
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Posted - 2010.08.04 19:58:00 -
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Originally by: Hulkageddon Jackpot
Originally by: grrfsweld
now, how exactly should TESTING fixes work then? not everything is serverside, you mormon. Rafa Benitez says get out!
oh I don't know... maybe because testing with the actual client in use first is considered good practice ?
But then it's not like I spent years doing QA or anything .
After that, you add a simple non-intrusive way for people to automatically generate a sisi setup from their regular one (here's a though place a "help us test!" button on the login screen to run the script) RATHER than requiring people who may not be computer savvy to perform folder operations. Add to that a tiny bit of incentive like skillpoints, and you can go try out some fixes.
P.S. Also please note that I am agnostic, and I find your insinuations of believing in a man in the sky offensive.
Maybe they have done enough testing with the actual client and these patches are to test the changes in the client to see if the fix they made works or not.
Just sayin.....
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Desert Ice78
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Posted - 2010.08.05 11:53:00 -
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Edited by: Desert Ice78 on 05/08/2010 11:53:19 None of the above stupid and childish idea. This is Eve, not WoW; your player base is about 20 years more mature.
Give everyone who participates in the mass testing a SP bonus, say 10,000, to be distributed as they see fit.
Simple, easy, fair. Mature
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Darth Vapour
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Posted - 2010.08.05 17:35:00 -
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Edited by: Darth Vapour on 05/08/2010 17:34:55
Quote:
There is a new build available. An incremental update for your current build could not be found. Would you like to download a full installer now? The build is 2629.5 MB in size.
I guess you didn¦t want that mass test participation anyway.
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Marvenius
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Posted - 2010.08.05 18:09:00 -
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Originally by: Darth Vapour Edited by: Darth Vapour on 05/08/2010 17:34:55
Quote:
There is a new build available. An incremental update for your current build could not be found. Would you like to download a full installer now? The build is 2629.5 MB in size.
I guess you didn¦t want that mass test participation anyway.
What he said. This does seem to be a particularly epic amount of effort to go to in order to avoid dressing up for a day...
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Z'ara
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Posted - 2010.08.05 20:08:00 -
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Just loaded up SiSi for this and there is a 2Gb patch to download, despite having the most up to date version two or so days ago. PRO CCP! Real good thinking ahead there.
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digitalwanderer
Gallente DF0 incorporated
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Posted - 2010.08.05 20:18:00 -
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Originally by: Z'ara Just loaded up SiSi for this and there is a 2Gb patch to download, despite having the most up to date version two or so days ago. PRO CCP! Real good thinking ahead there.
Use the TQ client as stated just above the dialog box where you type your name and password....Mind you,it doesn't matter much since it locks up within seconds for me.
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Gitzela
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Posted - 2010.08.05 20:42:00 -
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Same here. I tried to get there and ended up loading huge patch. No way i was able to do it in time.
By the way, please talk to each other. Don't do two events at once. Having Sansha incursion and mass test at the very same time is bad idea.
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Syn Callibri
Blacklight Incorporated
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Posted - 2010.08.05 21:24:00 -
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Edited by: Syn Callibri on 05/08/2010 21:29:01
WAY TO GO CCP! If you were trying to kill threadnaughts and forum trolls...you'd be arrested for hunting in a baited field!
btw...I tried to get on sisi...gave up, the logs show nothing, etc, etc, etc...
Syn Callibri Ilharess to the Scorpion Tribe
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Bomberlocks
Minmatar CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2010.08.06 01:03:00 -
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I tried to copy my TQ client and then DL the patch (2GB????), wasn't even halfway finished by the time the test started. Oh man is this frustrating.
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Obsidian Hawk
RONA Legion
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Posted - 2010.08.06 01:55:00 -
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TO ALL THE ABOVE SAYING A 2GB PATCH.
that was a new client not a patch. They autopatcher was not able to find the incremental patch, if you did a fresh copy of your tq folder, you needed to manually download it from the eve-o website.
The actually patch from tq to sisi was only a few megs. So guys be sure to read the patch messages carefully before running to the forums whining.
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Traldal
Gallente Order of the Domain
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Posted - 2010.08.06 08:33:00 -
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Originally by: Obsidian Hawk TO ALL THE ABOVE SAYING A 2GB PATCH.
that was a new client not a patch. They autopatcher was not able to find the incremental patch, if you did a fresh copy of your tq folder, you needed to manually download it from the eve-o website.
The actually patch from tq to sisi was only a few megs. So guys be sure to read the patch messages carefully before running to the forums whining.
Well. You can claim that the above posters were stupid enough to failzor at reading. But in the end, it was not them ending up with a loss of any kind, but the developers who missed their participation in the test.
So, who is actually the stupid lot here? Avrage gamer not savvy enough to help or developers losing participants due to their system being too hard to operate? When making software, atleast where I work at, yes, we do joke about customers being stupid. But in the end, its us that are to blame when the said customers comes complaining about our system being too hard to use. |
Cebraio
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Posted - 2010.08.06 10:10:00 -
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Originally by: Traldal
... So, who is actually the stupid lot here? ...
The ones that come to the forum whining that they could not patch their Singularity client in time, while there was actually nothing to patch!
Originally by: CCP Tanis I wanted to drop in to point out that: for today's test, you will only need to copy the TQ client and add a shortcut as described in the OP. You will not need to patch anything at all!
Steps, for the lazy/TL;DR among us (like me):
1. Copy your TQ client 2. Create a shortcut to the new client somewhere 3. Edit the shortcut properties and add the following into the 'target' field, exactly, minus the quotes: " /server:singularity" (note the space before the '/')
You will then be able to login to Sisi, without having to patch anything.
We've also uploaded a new mirror, so accounts and characters should be much more up to date for everyone!
Copy the current TQ client and run it with a different target server. That's all!
They could have read that on the forum - the same forum they come to whine about CCP not being able to provide a simple update procedure.
Maybe the information was not spread in time and maybe not in all prominent places, but the logs say we had more than 600 people on Singularity yesterday, so for many people it wasn't that hard after all.
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oil
Double-L
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Posted - 2010.08.06 15:36:00 -
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problem wasnt the modus of preparing the client but the mail they sent out giving the wrong info how to do it. many prepared their client eralier to be ready in time to be greeted 2 hours before the test with the necessity to do it all again. its not only the client, its settings, clones ships and so on. all prepared beforehand and all wasted.
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Zostera
Minmatar Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.08.06 21:56:00 -
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Originally by: oil problem wasnt the modus of preparing the client but the mail they sent out giving the wrong info how to do it. many prepared their client eralier to be ready in time to be greeted 2 hours before the test with the necessity to do it all again. its not only the client, its settings, clones ships and so on. all prepared beforehand and all wasted.
No worries, I am sure we will see a dev post soon asking for us to mass test the sisi patcher.
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Mamba Lev
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Posted - 2010.08.07 17:22:00 -
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I would like to suggest a new forfeit if you get more than 500 players.
You fix the game.
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Lederstrumpf
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Posted - 2010.08.08 13:39:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Tanis I'd like to make things a bit interesting, so I'm offering a bet to the entire EVE playerbase:
"I don't think you can 'bring it'.. so prove me wrong!"
To get you right:
You are betting paying customers of your company do not "BRING IT" by not spending their paid for playing time to get your betatesting straight?
I receive your bet as an official insult from CCP towards their paying customers.
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Lederstrumpf
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Posted - 2010.08.08 13:59:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Veritas For instance, one experimental fix we've been trying out on TQ recently accidentally torched Jita during prime time.
Three things to take notice of:
a) you tried out experimental stuff on TQ b) you are referring to malicious code torching Jita as "FIX" c) you seem to have choosen prime time for doing a change to your 'productive system'
NO sane QA department person would allow any of the above.
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Lord Orefinger
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Posted - 2010.08.08 23:07:00 -
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Edited by: Lord Orefinger on 08/08/2010 23:09:19
Originally by: Lederstrumpf Edited by: Lederstrumpf on 08/08/2010 14:48:16
Originally by: CCP Veritas For instance, one experimental fix we've been trying out on TQ recently accidentally torched Jita during prime time.
Three things to take notice of:
a) you tried out experimental stuff on TQ b) you are referring to malicious code torching Jita as "FIX" c) you seem to have choosen prime time for doing a change to your 'productive system'
NO sane QA department person i know of would allow any of the above.
I agree.
A) A pre-production or test environment should be used for QA, never the prod systems. You can moan and complain about how you need user-load like PROD all you like, but the fact is you have to treat your prod environment like its sacred.. because it is.
B) Any code deployed on prod should go through QA *first*. PROD is not a test environment, and should not be treated as one. If PROD is being used because you don't have a test system set up, then you need to create one that is not the PROD systems. Just don't treat the systems that give the company its main income source (according to public data) like they are expendable and do not matter, or the worst can and inevitably will happen. And if the QA team does not have the resources they need to create such a test environment - either in hardware, software or people - then I would say they do not have the resources to do their job correctly.
C) The choice to do this at all - and at a time no doubt chosen for max server load and based on the faulty assumptions above - was not the best choice.
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Syn Callibri
Blacklight Incorporated
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Posted - 2010.08.09 19:33:00 -
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Edited by: Syn Callibri on 09/08/2010 19:33:19
Heres a bet for you...In 4-5 days will we have another "database" problem that crashes the server? You can almost set your clock by them lately.
Syn Callibri Ilharess to the Scorpion Tribe
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XSarah
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Posted - 2010.08.10 06:05:00 -
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I have an idea.
Why dont you give us a free day gameplay as payment for doing your job for you.
k thx bye |
Aurora Robotnik
Caldari CKSSA Research And Development
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Posted - 2010.08.11 04:14:00 -
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Originally by: XSarah I have an idea.
Why dont you give us a free day gameplay as payment for doing your job for you.
k thx bye
I like this. A free day for each participant won't hurt CCP, after all they just gained about 6 years worth of unclaimable PLEX... 2220 days, CCP. Surely you can spare a few to encourage a fleet fight on Sisi :P
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Cebraio
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Posted - 2010.08.11 10:23:00 -
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Originally by: Aurora Robotnik
Originally by: XSarah I have an idea.
Why dont you give us a free day gameplay as payment for doing your job for you.
k thx bye
I like this. A free day for each participant won't hurt CCP, after all they just gained about 6 years worth of unclaimable PLEX... 2220 days, CCP. Surely you can spare a few to encourage a fleet fight on Sisi :P
What about people who paid one year in advance? 1 free day doesn't really mean a lot then. If anything, I want an SP bonus.
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Wenoc
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Posted - 2010.08.12 14:50:00 -
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one word for you: Communication.
There is no way in hell i will bugtest for you for free, when you do not communicate. Listen to the demands of the community and report on what you are doin with MY Money regularly and maybe, just maybe i will join. The kilt is a ****ing insult. Give free playing time or isk.
I have not seen any CCP response in any of the OUTRAGE threads like the game award or excellence thread. Wake the **** up.
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Jita Alt666
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Posted - 2010.08.14 09:10:00 -
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This is a stupid thread. Started by a stupid OP.
How about you come up with some creative ways to entice your player base to help with your testing? Oh thats what your op is? I mistook creativity with spastic stupidity.
Want serious numbers on "mass-testing"? Alliance VS Alliance thunderdome with prizes given by ccp. Alliance fronts up with 200+ players <- give alliance ceo 10 plex to distribute to alliance as they see fit. Give ingame prizes on tranquility for alliances that "win" singularity battles. Items such as: 10 run dramiel BPC 10 x sisters combat probe launchers 5 run Darkblood Large Tower BPC
It's not hard to be creative and appeal to your player base. Not hard unless your completely out of touch with your player base.
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Desert Ice78
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Posted - 2010.08.15 14:45:00 -
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Originally by: Jita Alt666 This is a stupid thread. Started by a stupid OP.
How about you come up with some creative ways to entice your player base to help with your testing? Oh thats what your op is? I mistook creativity with spastic stupidity.
Want serious numbers on "mass-testing"? Alliance VS Alliance thunderdome with prizes given by ccp. Alliance fronts up with 200+ players <- give alliance ceo 10 plex to distribute to alliance as they see fit. Give ingame prizes on tranquility for alliances that "win" singularity battles. Items such as: 10 run dramiel BPC 10 x sisters combat probe launchers 5 run Darkblood Large Tower BPC
It's not hard to be creative and appeal to your player base. Not hard unless your completely out of touch with your player base.
Such ideas about inviting whole alliances to test has been mooted before and the general consensus is that its another stupid idea Jita Alt666. You can be sure that that will be the day when their space get invaded, all while they are messing about with CCP on Singularity.
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Jita Alt666
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Posted - 2010.08.15 20:29:00 -
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Originally by: Desert Ice78
Such ideas about inviting whole alliances to test has been mooted before and the general consensus is that its another stupid idea Jita Alt666. You can be sure that that will be the day when their space get invaded, all while they are messing about with CCP on Singularity.
Point 1. They currently invite alliance's to attend mass testing -> some alliance encourage members to attend. So while the idea may be stupid they already utilise it. Alliances take part half heartedley because there is no real benefit other than the one day there "might" be reduced lag. Point 2. The soverignty mechanics in Eve online are vastly in favour of the defender so much so that to hold space you actually only need log in once in 4 reinforcement cycles in a stationed sov 5 system. while the attackers need to log in for all 4 cycles (4 times in 4+ days) and mindlessly shoot structures and hold the field if a fight does eventuate. In addition Eve Online is currently a giant NAP fest. If someone decided to invade razor space for example they would have to be prepared to log in for 4 days during Razor's peak TZ and have more numbers on the field than the entire NC. Not going to happen.
Summary: Read the post and understand the point: if CCP want people to help on Sisi then CCP have to create the right incentives. Crossdressing at staff meetings as an incentive to log in to sisi is stupid. Does that simple statement compute?
We can argue ourselves to death over the details but I prefer to discuss details with people who understand the system they are discussing
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Syn Callibri
Minmatar Blacklight Incorporated
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Posted - 2010.08.16 16:55:00 -
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Edited by: Syn Callibri on 16/08/2010 16:55:20
Originally by: Syn Callibri Edited by: Syn Callibri on 09/08/2010 19:33:19
Heres a bet for you...In 4-5 days will we have another "database" problem that crashes the server? You can almost set your clock by them lately.
Ok...I win! Ilharess Syn Callibri of the Scorpion Clan
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fab24
Gallente Tax Fraud Corporation
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Posted - 2010.08.17 16:20:00 -
[294]
Leave your job.
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Jita Alt666
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Posted - 2010.08.17 22:44:00 -
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Originally by: fab24 GM's Leave your job.
fixed
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ThaMa Gebir
Gallente SUECHTLER Inc.
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Posted - 2010.08.18 11:54:00 -
[296]
TBH if I can get on at the time you are doing a mass test all I would ask is that I get an estamels fitted vargur on the test server for my troubles... then at the next mirror it would be gone again, but boy I would love to fly that ship (Or a top officer/complex fitted Kronos) ----------------------------
Confirmed heaviest member of RDEX........
Hah, no more hijacks here!!!!
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CheezeChips
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Posted - 2010.08.18 12:04:00 -
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Originally by: RentableMuffin
kilt and warpaint, I feel like you would do that anyways and is probably the least embarrassing exotic dancer, hmmm cross dressing more cross dressing pink hair, how do we know you wont borrow the pink wig? although I guess this one is a bit more lasting
probably going to have to vote for answer petitions for a day, wearing a wig, dress, and high-heels
someone has to answer them sometime!
you forgot bagpipes, and the national song
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Shad0wsFury
Helljumpers Dead Terrorists
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Posted - 2010.08.18 13:50:00 -
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dad? is that you?
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Archeris vane
Amarr Arch's Brewery
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Posted - 2010.08.20 13:27:00 -
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Originally by: Jita Alt666 This is a stupid thread. Started by a stupid OP.
How about you come up with some creative ways to entice your player base to help with your testing? Oh thats what your op is? I mistook creativity with spastic stupidity.
Want serious numbers on "mass-testing"? Alliance VS Alliance thunderdome with prizes given by ccp. Alliance fronts up with 200+ players <- give alliance ceo 10 plex to distribute to alliance as they see fit. Give ingame prizes on tranquility for alliances that "win" singularity battles. Items such as: 10 run dramiel BPC 10 x sisters combat probe launchers 5 run Darkblood Large Tower BPC
It's not hard to be creative and appeal to your player base. Not hard unless your completely out of touch with your player base.
All you want is items or skillpoints.. We can't help it you're poor and greedy. Try posting with your main for once. I for one am amused by what has been proposed.
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Desert Ice78
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Posted - 2010.08.20 13:37:00 -
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Originally by: Jita Alt666
Originally by: Desert Ice78
Such ideas about inviting whole alliances to test has been mooted before and the general consensus is that its another stupid idea Jita Alt666. You can be sure that that will be the day when their space get invaded, all while they are messing about with CCP on Singularity.
Point 1. They currently invite alliance's to attend mass testing -> some alliance encourage members to attend. So while the idea may be stupid they already utilise it. Alliances take part half heartedley because there is no real benefit other than the one day there "might" be reduced lag. Point 2. The soverignty mechanics in Eve online are vastly in favour of the defender so much so that to hold space you actually only need log in once in 4 reinforcement cycles in a stationed sov 5 system. while the attackers need to log in for all 4 cycles (4 times in 4+ days) and mindlessly shoot structures and hold the field if a fight does eventuate. In addition Eve Online is currently a giant NAP fest. If someone decided to invade razor space for example they would have to be prepared to log in for 4 days during Razor's peak TZ and have more numbers on the field than the entire NC. Not going to happen.
Summary: Read the post and understand the point: if CCP want people to help on Sisi then CCP have to create the right incentives. Crossdressing at staff meetings as an incentive to log in to sisi is stupid. Does that simple statement compute?
We can argue ourselves to death over the details but I prefer to discuss details with people who understand the system they are discussing
Point 1: No alliance has ever in the past nor will in the future ever order their alliance members to join the mass testing on sisi for the terribly obvious reasons already stated. They never will, regardless of what ever hair-brained incentives you come up with.
Point 2: Refer to point number 1.
Now, back to the adult chat; Tanis, it appears that you have lost your bet. I still believe that your original forfeits were stupid, but did we come up with a favourite?
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Zuper Zpy
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Posted - 2010.08.21 14:34:00 -
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KISS, (Keep It Simple Stupid). It sounds like fun but its terribly confusing. What do we do and how do we do it? or is this just for players who kind of know everything about EVE? I would love to volunteer my help but how could I be of any use I dont fly a cap ship. I think if you want participation you need to have popups in the game announcing that this is about to start so that people remember it. Some sort of guide or guidance would help too and maybe a few ISK?
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Dzil
Caldari Caldari Independent Navy Reserve OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2010.08.23 15:36:00 -
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I think an SP bonus would get you the numbers you need.
Retired from corp sales. Time to spend some of this on pretty explosions :) |
Doctor Steinsbrow
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2010.08.23 18:42:00 -
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*NAKED SKI JUMP |\<o>/| ||||||||| ||||||||| ||||||||| \|CCP|/ -|||||||- -|||||||- ONE DOES NOT SIMPLY WALK WARP INTO MORDOR J7HZ-F! |
Jita Alt666
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Posted - 2010.08.23 21:56:00 -
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This is not a troll. How about every time theres a fleet blackscreened, CCP pick the player who lost the most expensive fit ship, fly them to Iceland, and that individual gets to kick Tanis once as hard as he/she wishes in the balls. CCP should post videos of this on their Youtube channel.
This would accomplish two things: 1. Allow CCP to witness/experience first hand the pain that PVP feel when their systems let them down. 2. Provide a very direct incentive to the Developers invloved in removing lag to get the problem fixed fast.
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alittlebirdy
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Posted - 2010.08.24 16:30:00 -
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Originally by: Jita Alt666 This is not a troll. How about every time theres a fleet blackscreened, CCP pick the player who lost the most expensive fit ship, fly them to Iceland, and that individual gets to kick Tanis once as hard as he/she wishes in the balls. CCP should post videos of this on their Youtube channel.
This would accomplish two things: 1. Allow CCP to witness/experience first hand the pain that PVP feel when their systems let them down. 2. Provide a very direct incentive to the Developers invloved in removing lag to get the problem fixed fast.
Yes... but then they would need to work on the space game, not evegate, and wis, and could not bullshít us for 9months about how they REALLY were working on it... just too stupid to fix anything.
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Jita Alt666
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Posted - 2010.08.24 23:29:00 -
[306]
Well then there would be more kicks to the balls.
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Yeay Fritg
Caldari Confrerie de Kaedri Cluster Of Rebirth
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Posted - 2010.08.26 13:00:00 -
[307]
Sorry,
But CCP I just want a BackLog Bug Dev Blog !
Do you read the forums or will you moderate all our quality request if not in line with your marketing plan ?
Yeay
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Jita Alt666
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Posted - 2010.08.27 21:41:00 -
[308]
Originally by: Yeay Fritg Sorry,
But CCP I just want a BackLog Bug Dev Blog !
Do you read the forums or will you moderate all our quality request if not in line with your marketing plan ?
Yeay
They dont read the forums.
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Infested Stukov
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Posted - 2010.08.29 01:52:00 -
[309]
Wear a kilt and war-paint Dress up as an exotic dancer for the next CCP staff-meeting Answer petitions for a day, wearing a wig, dress, and high-heels Dye my hair pink All of the above.
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To mare
Amarr Ministry of War
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Posted - 2010.08.29 15:33:00 -
[310]
Originally by: Jita Alt666 This is not a troll. How about every time theres a fleet blackscreened, CCP pick the player who lost the most expensive fit ship, fly them to Iceland, and that individual gets to kick Tanis once as hard as he/she wishes in the balls. CCP should post videos of this on their Youtube channel.
This would accomplish two things: 1. Allow CCP to witness/experience first hand the pain that PVP feel when their systems let them down. 2. Provide a very direct incentive to the Developers invloved in removing lag to get the problem fixed fast.
im sure we will see more faction ships with officer fits in the battlefields
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Stick Cult
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Posted - 2010.08.29 16:42:00 -
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Originally by: Jita Alt666
Originally by: Yeay Fritg Sorry,
But CCP I just want a BackLog Bug Dev Blog !
Do you read the forums or will you moderate all our quality request if not in line with your marketing plan ?
Yeay
They dont read the forums.
Actually I had an email this morning warning me of trolling. I quite like the post they attached with it.. I thought it was quite a masterpiece! So apparently they read the forums every week or so.
Anyway, to contribute to the topic, a nice copy paste from another of my posts:
Originally by: me for every mass test you get some amount of skillpoints (2-5 million) on your Singularity account. It's enough so that players won't leave TQ so they can go fly their titans on the test server, but enough to encourage participation. In the end, you'd also end up with more people on the test server, which ultimately leads to ~more testing~, which is always a good thing. Can a dev say "no this will never happen" so I can stop talking about it?
Originally by: CCP Tuxford my bad. Rest assured I'm being ridiculed by my co-workers.
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Jita Alt666
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Posted - 2010.08.30 01:58:00 -
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Edited by: Jita Alt666 on 30/08/2010 02:00:51 Interesting. I to had a warning for trolling. Even though I wrote "this is not a troll" at the start of my post. The sad thing it wasnt even a troll it was a very real suggestion.
Regarding the OP: Keep it simple stupid: the average eve player is not going to spend 2 hours preparing to join the sisi server. Reward participants: sp, gtc, bps these things mean things to eve players reward those who help you. USE DIFFERENT TIME ZONES: Using my limited computer knowledge I know if I have a server running for a long period of time with a poorly coded piece of software on it that contains numerous memory leaks etc that performance will degrade over time. I also know that clients who are hosted in different geographical locations will have different experiences accessing the server. When the server is aligned with tranquility, running the testing at the same time every time removes some variables that need testing.
Oh and if I want to see a video of an idiot giggling in a kilt or whatever, I have youtube, 4-chan, Ogrish, PennyArcade any number of sources - Thats not what eve is about, so once again your awe inspiring leadership in the area of player motivation has fallen short.
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Ban Doga
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Posted - 2010.08.30 17:04:00 -
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Looks like you won your bet. Congratulations!
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Jita Alt666
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Posted - 2010.09.01 20:30:00 -
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Originally by: To mare
Originally by: Jita Alt666 This is not a troll. How about every time theres a fleet blackscreened, CCP pick the player who lost the most expensive fit ship, fly them to Iceland, and that individual gets to kick Tanis once as hard as he/she wishes in the balls. CCP should post videos of this on their Youtube channel.
This would accomplish two things: 1. Allow CCP to witness/experience first hand the pain that PVP feel when their systems let them down. 2. Provide a very direct incentive to the Developers invloved in removing lag to get the problem fixed fast.
im sure we will see more faction ships with officer fits in the battlefields
I would be tempted to log in my supercap characters for the 1st time since December 2009.
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AthenaMetis
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Posted - 2010.09.02 12:26:00 -
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Edited by: AthenaMetis on 02/09/2010 12:29:21 I know this is slightly off topic, but is there a chance of having an option for burner trails that we used to have in the original graphics pack, I know it may seem like a silly request but it added a feel of how many people were warping in and out of any given place, as well as looking pretty cool.
the reason why I say there should be an option to turn it off is if your in a fleet battle or where it would put too much stress player side, which I am amusing that is why you took them out.
also I can imagine that it would look really cool when a gang warp in.
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Jita Alt666
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Posted - 2010.09.02 19:46:00 -
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Originally by: AthenaMetis
the reason why I say there should be an option to turn it off is if your in a fleet battle or where it would put too much stress player side, which I am amusing that is why you took them out.
I could not agree more.
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Velvet Scourge
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Posted - 2010.09.03 11:20:00 -
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I certainly applaud all attempts to improve the game, but at what point do you admit that maybe it's something that cannot be fixed? I mean, it seems like the attempt to alleviate lag has been going on forever. When do you begin serious contemplation of launching a second live server?
I know that proposing another live server generates heated debates. However, at some point the pride at being a "single shard" MMO may have to give way to the reality of the situation.
To begin with, perhaps a Poll to get a feel of how many current players would enjoy starting over fresh on a new server.
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UnRisen Dead
Amarr Everybodys Dead Dave
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Posted - 2010.09.03 13:51:00 -
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Originally by: Velvet Scourge
To begin with, perhaps a Poll to get a feel of how many current players would enjoy starting over fresh on a new server.
How does that help with the problem of large fleet battles? A new server wouldn't mean less numbers in fleet battles, it's not like we're talking about half the server Vs. the other half. Your sweep-it-under-the-rug method would only require more rugs.
But anyhoo - SP rewards on TQ would get a lot more players interested. ________________________________________________
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Anara Libertie
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Posted - 2010.09.03 23:27:00 -
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Originally by: UnRisen Dead
Originally by: Velvet Scourge
To begin with, perhaps a Poll to get a feel of how many current players would enjoy starting over fresh on a new server.
How does that help with the problem of large fleet battles? A new server wouldn't mean less numbers in fleet battles, it's not like we're talking about half the server Vs. the other half. Your sweep-it-under-the-rug method would only require more rugs.
But anyhoo - SP rewards on TQ would get a lot more players interested.
I dunno. To date, what has worked? I am favor of a new server.
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Athena Reliasus
Perkone
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Posted - 2010.09.05 11:30:00 -
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This player base is depressing.
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Niccolado Starwalker
Gallente Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2010.09.05 16:54:00 -
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Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 05/09/2010 16:55:47
Originally by: CCP Tanis
I'd like to make things a bit interesting, so I'm offering a bet to the entire EVE playerbase:
"I don't think you can 'bring it'.. so prove me wrong!"
!*! The Bet !*!
IF: In each of the next 3 mass-tests, after the one on Jul 15, we have 500+ players show up and participate; I will do one of the following:
(you'll get to vote for which one, if I lose.. I will then post pics on the forums as proof)
Wear a kilt and war-paint Dress up as an exotic dancer for the next CCP staff-meeting Answer petitions for a day, wearing a wig, dress, and high-heelsDye my hair pink Don't like these options? Suggest your own! The top player-suggestion which we could actually do will be added to the choices when it goes to a vote
You offer lots of nice and cool things. But can you offer us this:
A 3-4 minutes new video from Incarna expansion???
Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL. |
Jita Alt666
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Posted - 2010.09.05 22:17:00 -
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Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
You offer lots of nice and cool things. But can you offer us this:
A 3-4 minutes new video from Incarna expansion???
Nice troll.
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Niccolado Starwalker
Gallente Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2010.09.06 22:36:00 -
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Originally by: Jita Alt666
Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
You offer lots of nice and cool things. But can you offer us this:
A 3-4 minutes new video from Incarna expansion???
Nice troll.
I still have a long way to go to get to your level.
Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL. |
Jita Alt666
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Posted - 2010.09.06 23:21:00 -
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I would thank you for being submissive to your superiors - however that would continue to derail this thread, and i wouldnt want that.
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Rewind12
Heaven's Army Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2010.09.14 18:17:00 -
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Edited by: Rewind12 on 14/09/2010 18:21:34 Edited by: Rewind12 on 14/09/2010 18:19:31
Originally by: CCP Tanis we're still not quite happy with the player turnout to these events.
Tough.
Originally by: CCP Tanis Your input is very valuable to us
Game time is valuable to me (us). Show me the SP
Originally by: CCP Tanis "I don't think you can 'bring it'.. so prove me wrong!"
1st graders don't fall for that one anymore, assuming eve players do might be considered an insult ( i sure do ).
Bottom line, 5x / 6x SP per day of testing* Or .... jovian ship lottery. Bring them babies out !
* Minimum requirement of 30 minutes for claiming the SP boost.
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Jita Alt666
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Posted - 2010.09.16 22:27:00 -
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Originally by: Rewind12
Bottom line, 5x / 6x SP per day of testing* Or .... jovian ship lottery. Bring them babies out !
* Minimum requirement of 30 minutes for claiming the SP boost.
The problem with that suggestion is that CCP think it would unbalance tranquility.
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Ash Donai
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Posted - 2010.09.20 18:15:00 -
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Originally by: Dzil I think an SP bonus would get you the numbers you need.
Totally, who cares about what some dude in some CCP office does, how does that affect my life or my account? Not at all. Hand out some SP for those who show up for testing (the mechanics for doing so are already in the game) and you will get tons of people.
NOTE: Just in case this wasn't obvious, and it obviously wasn't obvious since CCP was giving out skillpoints on Sisi, we are talking a Tranquility SP bonus. Whoever came up with the Sisi SP bonus should be forced to play HKO or some such for a year instead of EVE since they have no idea what motivates EVE players. |
Tetley Tea
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Posted - 2010.09.24 19:06:00 -
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Quote: .... jovian ship lottery.
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OSGOD
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Posted - 2010.10.01 05:40:00 -
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how about you promise to return the primates to the local and ZOO and employ real coders specially after the las 16 mg patch **** up no local roid rat markers in space etc,etc what ****ing joke
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