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Prostheir
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Posted - 2010.07.21 08:28:00 -
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Upon doing some social research into frigates, it's generally accepted that the best are Rifter/Punisher/Incursus, and that if you fly any other frigate in a combat role, you're an ignorant noob.
Is this 100% true?
Is this bad? I'd sort of like to see some variation on the frig field, but is the difference between 1st and 2nd best so great that you'd be a fool to try for the challenge? I'd love to hear your thoughts.
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Mysteriax
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.07.21 08:32:00 -
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Vigil is awesome. Its faster then some interceptors
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Ninetails o'Cat
League of Super Evil
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Posted - 2010.07.21 08:40:00 -
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Originally by: Mysteriax Vigil is awesome. Its faster then some interceptors
And I've personally found that the Kestrel is a reasonable combat ship.
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.07.21 08:41:00 -
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Like all 'truths' in EVE, that's more a rule of thumb than an actual truth. And with all such things, if you understand why it's the rule, then you can break it, but if you do without knowing ... maybe not so much.
I'm quite liking the Merlin recently, as a shield buffered blaster/rocket ship.
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Morel Nova
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.07.21 10:21:00 -
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tristan is pretty good Reward small gang/solo pvp!
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Shadowy Assistant
Darkrime Industries
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Posted - 2010.07.21 11:16:00 -
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Dramiel, duuuuuuuuuuh
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Duchess Starbuckington
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Posted - 2010.07.21 11:51:00 -
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The best frigate is the Dramiel, as for plain old t1 frigates - Merlin is underrated, Tristan works fine, etc. etc. While Rifter/Punisher/Incursus are considered top of the pile the gap isn't as big as you'd think. _________________________________
Originally by: Dodgy Past Can't see the Caldari approving of free love though.
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Ava Starfire
Minmatar Nordanverdr Modr
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Posted - 2010.07.21 12:04:00 -
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I actually believe the Merlin to be ahead of the Punisher on the frigate totem pole, and the Vigil, Kestrel, Griffin, Tristan, and Breacher have all been used by people with success. The Rifter/Incursus are probably top dog, but the gap isnt as big as one may think. I wouldnt engage any of the above frigates with any less care than I would engage a "better ship" with. Space is fun! |
Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2010.07.21 13:08:00 -
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Kestrel should be very competitive after this summers' rocket fix. A bit slow and with very little tank, but, with fixed rockets, the damage projection from four double-damage-bonused rocket launchers should be impressive.
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Alex Skyhunter
Project Mirage
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Posted - 2010.07.21 13:14:00 -
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I think I missed the part about the summer rocket fix, is there a link somewhere I could find?
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.07.21 13:29:00 -
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Originally by: Alex Skyhunter I think I missed the part about the summer rocket fix, is there a link somewhere I could find?
There is a CCP dev who said it could happen.
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gai luron
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Posted - 2010.07.21 14:10:00 -
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Edited by: gai luron on 21/07/2010 14:10:29 Source here
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GyokZoli
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.07.21 14:22:00 -
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Edited by: GyokZoli on 21/07/2010 14:22:28
Originally by: Furb Killer
Originally by: Alex Skyhunter I think I missed the part about the summer rocket fix, is there a link somewhere I could find?
There is a CCP dev who said it could happen.
Can you post the link?
edit: ohh, I was late :)
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Prostheir
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Posted - 2010.07.24 08:24:00 -
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Hmm. I didn't know that. It's good to see pilots flying the other frigs.
Also, holysh*trocketfix.
This affects the Breacher pretty heavily too. I can't tell you how excited this makes me.
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BiggestT
Caldari Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2010.07.24 12:02:00 -
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Dunno why no ones mentioned the griffin, it's cheap, awesome and effective, especially in fw minor complexes.
It's the onlt frigate I'm willing to fly actually, else I'll just take a ceptor/af. EVE Trivia EVE History
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Limvala Adur
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Posted - 2010.07.24 12:10:00 -
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Edited by: Limvala Adur on 24/07/2010 12:10:08
Originally by: BiggestT Dunno why no ones mentioned the griffin, it's cheap, awesome and effective, especially in fw minor complexes.
It's the onlt frigate I'm willing to fly actually, else I'll just take a ceptor/af.
Beat me to it. The only frig. that can actually make a huge difference in small fleets. For everything else, your speed/damage is irrelevant, what matters is being able to jam the enemy tackle and maby even medium dps ships. For that, the Griffin is amazing as a fleet tool. It is also a ECM "tank".
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yani dumyat
Minmatar Black Storm Cartel The Orca Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.07.24 13:25:00 -
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If you're flying with mates a crucifier can be deadly, especially against bigger ships. _______
Trolls and Tribulations A story of eve, trolls, world domination and dogfighting against starlings in a tiny dramiel. |
Ava Starfire
Minmatar Nordanverdr Modr
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Posted - 2010.07.24 14:03:00 -
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Originally by: BiggestT Dunno why no ones mentioned the griffin, it's cheap, awesome and effective, especially in fw minor complexes.
It's the onlt frigate I'm willing to fly actually, else I'll just take a ceptor/af.
Read my 1st post again closely. Very closely Space is fun! |
Willford Stachington
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Posted - 2010.07.24 15:53:00 -
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The frigs even out and diversify once you have the skills to fit them well.
At newb levels of fitting however, the rifter and incursus have the best options, followed by the punisher. The merlin is simply impossible to fit and fly competetively until you have a lot more skills. The kestrel needs fewer skills, but it's a glass cannon, so not the kind of thing you'll learn much in (aside from how to die) early on.
So, not 100% true, but effectively true if you're on a fresh character looking to be semi-successful at frigate pvp. That being said, you can find a lot more interesting ships to fly that cost less than 30mil (cruisers, bc's, af's, ceptors, etc.), so don't get hung up on the fact your frigate of choice isn't great to solo in.
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Annie Anomie
Shadows Of The Federation
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Posted - 2010.07.24 16:36:00 -
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It's mostly true. You can try and make a go of it in other frigs but if you do it's mostly for the lulz.
It's partly because of the tier system and partly because of slots and bonuses.
The lower tier frigs lack slots (the incursus is at a disadvantage in that set because it's short a low slot).
It'd be interesting if the other t1 frigs were viable I suppose but difficult to improve them without them beign very similar to the favourites.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.07.24 18:03:00 -
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Even taking into account the niche usability of certain frigates like the griffin and crucifier for ew and the spped of the vigil for getting that crucial initial point I think the rifter is the best overall t1 frigate. So many useful ways to fit it makes it perform all the other roles listed by using its wonderful slot mix to great effect.
Td and tp rifters work well in missile heavy gangs if you know you will be facing turret heavy opposition. Armour tanked they work well in packs due to everyone being able to fit a useful ew mod. Or just the normal budget inty point n gank rifter that puts out 170dps overheated and goes pretty fast at nearly 5k ms on overheat with a decent shield buffer and long point.
Originally by: Balsak Eve-Online, the game that is so awesome people are willing to give CCP money so that they may have the privilege to bash it.
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Ard UnjiiGo
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2010.07.24 19:45:00 -
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Leaving faction frigs out of it: Vigil is the bomb when well fit.
Fantastic for solo frig and dessie kills when fit properly.
Excellent cheap tackler in a gang.
But I'm counting on the majority of EVE players to not read the forums so I can keep getting easy Rifter kills.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.07.24 20:00:00 -
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Originally by: Ard UnjiiGo But I'm counting on the majority of EVE players to not read the forums so I can keep getting easy Rifter kills.
Well to be fair any t1 or faction frigate is an easy kill once its engaged past maybe the dramiel and thats simply due to its insane speed and ability to dual prop with no hit to overall performance. Wolf packs are where t1 frigates shine due to their super low cost and high effectiveness in their given role and the fact that in most cases when you get swarmed you simply can't kill them fast enough. Or even kill them at all if they have a good mix of ew frigs seeded in the gang.
Originally by: Balsak Eve-Online, the game that is so awesome people are willing to give CCP money so that they may have the privilege to bash it.
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