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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.07.26 00:14:00 -
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Your previous post appears garbled and unintelligable Suitonia. I'd advise you to check your translation software as there are many glitches incompatible with galnet standards. In any case nothing you have said before in this thread stands to contradict the essential point that -10 war enemies of the fraction presented vessels to be destroyed in open space and we destroyed them during operation Black Lustrum. When our enemies ships are there to be obliterated we obliterate them. More news at 11.
This has precisely nothing to do with Aralis being fully aware of the Ushra'khan infiltration treachery 2 days in advance and fully involved with the planning and opportunistic exploitation of the deed. That you try to draw spurious parallels simply shows the depth of your embarrassment at the way this whole matter has blown up in your face.
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Suitonia
Gallente Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.07.26 00:16:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Your previous post appears garbled and unintelligable Suitonia. I'd advise you to check your translation software as there are many glitches incompatible with galnet standards. In any case nothing you have said before in this thread stands to contradict the essential point that -10 war enemies of the fraction presented vessels to be destroyed in open space and we destroyed them during operation Black Lustrum. When our enemies ships are there to be obliterated we obliterate them. More news at 11.
This has precisely nothing to do with Aralis being fully aware of the Ushra'khan infiltration treachery 2 days in advance and fully involved with the planning and opportunistic exploitation of the deed. That you try to draw spurious parallels simply shows the depth of your embarrassment at the way this whole matter has blown up in your face.
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The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.07.26 00:16:00 -
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Edited by: The Cosmopolite on 26/07/2010 00:17:47
We've conceded precisely nothing to you other than that we will shoot at enemy ships and assets. We didn't know about anything in advance. We weren't involved in offlining any starbase. We didn't infiltrate anyone. We didn't hatch a plan with a disgruntled director. We had a pilot that saw an enemy starbase go offline. We took such action as seemed appropriate.
I still don't know how you have the barefaced cheek to come here and compare shooting at a few ships rendered vulnerable by a starbase being offlined û for reasons that had nothing at all to do with us and which we didn't know about until it was happening û with what you and the CVA have been up to.
Our ethics are quite intact here. We draw the line at infiltrating to sabotage infrastructure. We draw the line at infiltrating to steal from corporation hangars. We draw the line at infiltrating to sabotage communications. We draw the line at infiltrating to disband alliances and steal outposts.
That's simply the fact. I'm not sure why you feel uncomfortable about being a treacherous blackguard but clearly you do or you wouldn't be making such a ridiculous comparison as the one you are trying to make.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.07.26 00:19:00 -
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Originally by: Suitonia
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Your previous post appears garbled and unintelligable Suitonia. I'd advise you to check your translation software as there are many glitches incompatible with galnet standards. In any case nothing you have said before in this thread stands to contradict the essential point that -10 war enemies of the fraction presented vessels to be destroyed in open space and we destroyed them during operation Black Lustrum. When our enemies ships are there to be obliterated we obliterate them. More news at 11.
This has precisely nothing to do with Aralis being fully aware of the Ushra'khan infiltration treachery 2 days in advance and fully involved with the planning and opportunistic exploitation of the deed. That you try to draw spurious parallels simply shows the depth of your embarrassment at the way this whole matter has blown up in your face.
Thank you for conceding.
The only thing I do concede is that you are completely clueless.
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Suitonia
Gallente Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.07.26 00:21:00 -
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The Cosmopolite, please quote me and answer me these questions directly. I would really appreciate it.
Was Sofia Roseburn at the POS (which was to be offlined by Gelo Breen) prior to it being offlined, with the understanding, that it would be offlined.
Do you think Sofia Roseburn is Jessica Overde.
Did a member of the Star Fraction, take advantage of the situation, and steal a Devoter from the POS.
Did Star Fraction destroy more than "just shuttles".
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Tomahawk Bliss
Minmatar Fates Assembly The Final Stand.
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Posted - 2010.07.26 00:33:00 -
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May be news to you Sutonia but people know people, doesnÆt mean they control them. I know people in Hydra Reloaded, some even before it was what it was now and some that are weeks new.
Any organization will have notables who know other notables. stop grasping at straws to deflect from your shame.
you know, I imagine that UK and Hydra still have a fair number of people who know each other, friendly and such.
I wonder if that is going to cause a problem as more and more people get the dirty details and HydraÆs stock (and space) continues to die in a fireà
Maybe watch your back eh?
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.07.26 00:33:00 -
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Originally by: Suitonia Was Sofia Roseburn at the POS (which was to be offlined by Gelo Breen) prior to it being offlined, with the understanding, that it would be offlined.
You'd have to ask Sofia Roseburn. But either way its no matter for SF. If a war enemy tower shields go down we'll happily destroy the vessels inside. I will tell you that SF had absolutely nothing to do with approaching, paying, inspiring, infiltrating a director to such a position to offline that Sev3rance tower. (despite the murky situation around the ultimate fate of Space and Freedom III that was stolen by enemies of the Fraction and Sev3rance were on hand to take immediate advantage I should remind you.)
Quote: Do you think Sofia Roseburn is Jessica Overde.
Obviously not.
Quote: Did a member of the Star Fraction, take advantage of the situation, and steal a Devoter from the POS.
There are no rules of engagement in the Fraction that preclude free captains from taking possession of unpiloted war-target ships so your question is irrelevant.
Quote: Did Star Fraction destroy more than "just shuttles".
I said shuttles and light ships. We certainly didn't get killmails for the battleships and bulk of enemy vessels depicted on your earlier screenshot.
In any case I'll say again that you are desperately reaching and have no grounds whatsoever to make comparison to Aralis knowing full well that Ushra'khan were to have their identity stolen by a traitor 2 days in advance.
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Suitonia
Gallente Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.07.26 00:37:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Quote: Do you think Sofia Roseburn is Jessica Overde.
Obviously not.
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The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.07.26 00:39:00 -
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Edited by: The Cosmopolite on 26/07/2010 00:41:58
Was Sofia Roseburn at the starbase prior to it being offline? Clearly she was. No understanding is known to me. My information is that the thing was being offlined come what may.
Do I think Sofia Roseburn is Jessica Overde? Well, clearly I do not. Jessica Overde is Jessica Overde.
Did a member of the Star Fraction recover a Devoter from the site of an enemy offline starbase? Yes. Why shouldn't we do so? If we see a hostile starbase offline in space we are going to ransack it. It's an enemy starbase with no defences. We'll happily take advantage of such a situation if we happen upon it. As we have on occasion, to be sure.
Did a Star Fraction member destroy more than just shuttles? Yes, I dare say. Again, why shouldn't we do so? If we see a hostile starbase offline in space we are going to put it to the flame and anything in it that we cannot carry off.
The Star Fraction ransacked and destroyed various enemy vessels from an enemy starbase that was offline. Is this so incredible? The point you are trying to make is that we somehow solicited the offlining. We didn't. The thing went offline by the act of some disgruntled enemy officer and we simply took advantage of an emerging situation.
Again, this is light years from the CVA having two days of advance knowledge of the treachery carried out by a base traitor suborned by Hydra agents. It is light years from the deliberate disbanding of an entire alliance. It is light years from a turncoat opening the gates to multiple outposts. It is light years from the theft and sabotage done at the behest of your ilk and with the full knowledge and delighted approval of that plague rat in the body of a True Amarr man, Aralis.
This comparison is foolish nonsense founded on slanted facts and your wild imagination. It won't serve to hide the fact that our ethical standpoint is solid and yours has long since sunk into the mire, with the CVA's sinking fast beside it.
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Tomahawk Bliss
Minmatar Fates Assembly The Final Stand.
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Posted - 2010.07.26 00:42:00 -
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Edited by: Tomahawk Bliss on 26/07/2010 00:43:02
Originally by: Suitonia
Did Star Fraction destroy more than "just shuttles".
oh you got me! in reviewing my screenie I saw an atron and a couple of kestrels. I imagine they died as well.
however the shield was not up as your screen shot shows.
so your image is obviously from a different time or place or both.
I am shocked the treacherous Hydra representative would be deceitful...shocked I say!
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.07.26 00:44:00 -
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Originally by: Suitonia Your word has lost all value.
You will find yours never had any to begin with. Condemnation from a liar and a thief in the service of other liars and thieves working for Amarrian Nationalists is not something I will lose sleep over.
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Suitonia
Gallente Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.07.26 07:17:00 -
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zoolkhan
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr
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Posted - 2010.07.26 09:43:00 -
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I want to thank my oldest foes for taking a such a honorable stand. *nods to rodj and graelyn*
Aralis self-interview was a fun read. obviously he is in for a surprise.
ushra'khan cannot be disbanded with the press of a button.
We have reorganized ourselfs, our leadership is fully intact, the relations to our allies is fine and hydra has been raised to the threat level 6 on a scale between 1-5 where 1 is the most dangerous opponent we have.
Of course me and my friends are sad to have "lost" the name we once choosed, along with it the red fist, that we have the copyright for.
Probably pride will keep us from "buying" it back from Hydra.
Instead hydra is on the "****list" as once sylph has been. Mark my words... we use the hard and honest warrior way to dissolve their alliance. but we will dissolve it. We did that before.
I am sad that the oldest alliance in new eden could be dissolved by a single disgruntled employee.
One would think that concord would make that action depending on more than one person. But then again, concord is a corrupt organisation on payroll of our enemies.
....however, the fight goes on. We received a wakeupcall and that translates into more resolve and larger fleets than same time last week.
- We come for our people. And we have never been defined through space.
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Eran Mintor
Minmatar Ddial Chan Annwn Annwn Matari
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Posted - 2010.07.26 11:25:00 -
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Why is this becoming another Star Fraction thread?
Let's try to stay on topic folks; I know there's a lot of emo hate going on but I'm not interested this time....though I'll remember to bookmark a few comments made thus far, I think HYDRA is only making themselves look as bad as everyone else when they say "well, you did it, so we can do worse! just watch!"
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Namelessness
Amarr NAKED EMERGENCE
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Posted - 2010.07.26 11:36:00 -
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You cannot step in the same river twice. Life changes, it evolves, and regularly.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.07.26 12:28:00 -
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Originally by: Eran Mintor Why is this becoming another Star Fraction thread?
Desperate attempt at damage control from the only Hydra pilot they could find who could *almost* conduct themselves correctly for this medium. I think its dawned on Hydra/CVA that the fallout from this "victory" could be worse than simple defeat would have been.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2010.07.26 14:01:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine Hydra/CVA
You're assuming that there is such a thing as Hydra/CVA. That's not neccessarily the case.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.07.26 14:30:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 26/07/2010 14:32:30
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: Jade Constantine Hydra/CVA
You're assuming that there is such a thing as Hydra/CVA. That's not neccessarily the case.
Its possible there is still some distance I'll grant you. But since its beginning to look like Aralis' interview quoted in this threat is accurate (according to his allies) then that distance is small. What appears evident now is that Aralis knew about the treacherous destruction of the Ushra'khan name 2 days in advance and did nothing. This is so far from the old principles proclaimed by the CVA to suggest an entirely new hybrid organization is forming hence my use of the term Hydra/CVA because at this point I am not seeing much difference between the posting, tactics or political outlook of these groups.
I have long accused CVA of being in hock to the goon ideology and powerbloc. Current events would seem to prove me right.
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Tomahawk Bliss
Minmatar Fates Assembly The Final Stand.
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Posted - 2010.07.26 14:59:00 -
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Edited by: Tomahawk Bliss on 26/07/2010 15:00:31 that is why it is called CYDRA
and of course I can neither confirm or deny that in the somewhat less polite circles they are now further referred to as Crydra
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Archbishop
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2010.07.26 15:39:00 -
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Originally by: Suitonia
Additionally, can someone explain to me how this is any different than Star Fraction taking advantage of the burnt out director, gelo breen in Sev3rance to offline a POS, other than the scale. It's the same thing. You're all worthless hypocrites. You cannot see the truth beyond someone's corporate tickers.
Actually what Hydra has done is really no different from what the Star Fraction did earlier. Certainly Hydra has done so on a much larger scale but in the end it's the same thing.
Originally by: Jade Constantine Post whatever you want Hydra dog. That you are trying to draw a comparison between SF blowing up some shuttles and frigates ejected from a ship maintenance array by a disgruntled Sev3rance director and Aralis of the CVA being complicit in grand corp theft, sabotage, betrayal, treachery and ending the oldest alliance in Eve through dishonest means is beyond pathetic.
Actually the only thing Aralis appeared to have in this case is prior knowledge. I don't see any CVA operatives involved in the planning or execution of the Hydra operation. Trying to tie the two together is one of the more laughable (and feeble) attempts by the Star Fraction in recent months.
Compare that for a moment with the recent Star Fraction operation to assist DX4 with corp theft. In that case the Star Fraction provided ships, tactical support, intelligence support and was an active participant in the corp theft orchestrated by DX4. While certainly there was somewhat a measure of "payback" there no one from the Star Fraction or DX4 ever provided proof there were no innocents harmed in the massive corp theft operation they committed.
Actually doing something and just knowing it's going to happen are two completely different things Jade. In this case Aralis merely kept silent as he knew something would soon happen. You on the other hand had no problem commiting corp theft, using spies and other such tactics. A proper comparison would've been if the Star Fraction had known about DX4's planned operation and did nothing to help it but told no one. THAT would be comparing apples to apples. In this case though you're comparing apples to oranges.
Originally by: The Cosmopolite
You've usefully told us that Aralis knew about this 2 days in advance, in effect he was party to the planning and through him the entire CVA were. Don't dare to try and compare this base act of treachery with an incidental episode with a starbase that someone offlined at a whim. It's ridiculous.
Actually it is ridiculous. You walk down the street and see two people standing there. One says "Lets beat up Cosmopolite tomorrow!" and the other says "Great idea!". You keep walking because you don't really like Cosmopolite anyway. Tomorrow comes and you're at home reading the paper. The news comes on the holovid and says "Today the known anarchist Cosmopolite was mugged by two individuals who beat him up and put him in the hospital. The two attackers were later identified.
If you had stopped on the street and joined them in planning the beating you'd be guilty of what you're trying to allege here. Instead you just had prior knowledge. Big difference. As we've seen with the corp theft operation committed by the Star Fraction against Eurzadahn there is a big difference between knowing something will happen and actually participating in it as an active player in the event.
Once again the Star Fraction attempts to twist the truth into something nefarious for it's propoganda machine. In the end as usual they fail to convince anyone and when the truth is finally told they cower in fear from it like a child hiding from the monster under it's bed. The truth is clear. Knowing something will happen is far different from making it happen.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.07.26 15:52:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 26/07/2010 15:57:19
I knew Archbishop of PIE would not be able to help himself but defend Aralis/Hydra's action. Shows the true quality of Amarrian Nationalism at work here. Any high-minded "morale sense" or apparent principle disappears the moment he senses an opportunity to stick the knife into SF. Quite frankly I believe Archbishop to be capable of practically anything no matter how twisted and nefarious including corp-theft, sabotage, espionage, breach of privacy and general stalking to confront and damage his "foes."
It is no surprise to see him justify Aralis and Hydra here. Perhaps soon he will join them?
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Michael Bross
Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.07.26 16:09:00 -
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The difference Archie is that CVA has decided to join HYDRA in a trip to the hospital to remove the life support of the recently injured party. Evidence of their new alliance can be found on the U'k killboard in their cooperation in soveriegnty attacks.
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Garreck
Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.26 16:17:00 -
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Dear me.
My apologies for a belated response. Per Aralis' appointment some weeks ago, I do speak in an official capacity for CVA, so I will try to make this as clear and concise as possible:
Hydra Reloaded are certainly red to CVA and are likely to remain so for the foreseeable future. For a time their objectives were in line with ours and they saw fit to fight by our rules of engagement. That time has come and gone. It's not for me to say if such a time will or will not return.
During the fall of Providence, many of the public voices of Ushra'Khan expressed open disdain on the battlefield for any previously held decorum between U'K and CVA in terms of tactics, subterfuge, and spying in particular. Using intel gathered by -A- as regards security of towers and comms in particular was regarded as completely acceptable by Ushra'Khan leadership...a sentiment which was time and again reinforced during more heated verbal exchanges in various battles.
In light of this...yes, CVA will most certainly continue our campaign to regain what has been lost, and Ushra'Khan's misfortune will not give us pause. Our operations will continue, though it's likely no secret that our operations currently focus on an area of space not even occupied by Ushra'Khan. That said, oportunities to cause harm to Ushra'Khan logistical operations, fleet assembly, patrols, and Ushra'Khan assets and operations and general will continue to be taken advantage of. We obviously reserve the right to reclaim any Providence system we are capable of taking and holding.
The following I have not sought permission from Aralis to post, but I feel strongly enough about to speak on my own.
To the perpetrators of this espionage: let Ushra'Khan keep their name. Certain things should not be stolen.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2010.07.26 16:20:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine Edited by: Jade Constantine on 26/07/2010 15:57:19
I knew Archbishop of PIE would not be able to help himself but defend Aralis/Hydra's action. Shows the true quality of Amarrian Nationalism at work here. Any high-minded "morale sense" or apparent principle disappears the moment he senses an opportunity to stick the knife into SF. Quite frankly I believe Archbishop to be capable of practically anything no matter how twisted and nefarious including corp-theft, sabotage, espionage, breach of privacy and general stalking to confront and damage his "foes."
It is no surprise to see him justify Aralis and Hydra here. Perhaps soon he will join them?
I see no defence of Hydra's actions in Archie's statement.
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Archbishop
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2010.07.26 16:20:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
I knew Archbishop of PIE would not be able to help himself but defend Aralis/Hydra's action. Shows the true quality of Amarrian Nationalism at work here. Any high-minded "morale sense" or apparent principle disappears the moment he senses an opportunity to stick the knife into SF. Quite frankly I believe Archbishop to be capable of practically anything no matter how twisted and nefarious including corp-theft, sabotage, espionage, breach of privacy and general stalking to confront and damage his "foes."
It is no surprise to see him justify Aralis and Hydra here. Perhaps soon he will join them?
Would you care to address the differences in these two scenarios?
Scenario #1: Someone finds out an operation is going to take place and remains silent about it.
Scenario #2: Someone finds out an operation is going to take place and actively participates in carrying out that operation providing ships, manpower, inteligence and tactical support.
I'm just wondering since your comments totally avoided the point I was making. The Star Fraction actively participated in the corp theft operation of DX4 by providing tactical and logistical support. Despite the fact DX4 was not a member of the Star Fraction when their alleged victimization took place the Star Fraction acted and actively participated. Aralis on the other hand knew Hydra was going to attack but said nothing. No active participation there just knowledge.
I can only assume by your sideways "Archbishop attack" reply that you're completely befuddled by the facts and can't come up with any type of reply that doesn't make you seem totally hypocritical (as usual). Once again the inconvient truth appears before the Star Fraction and they are completely mystified by it. Resorting to "ARCHBISHOOOOPPP!!!!!" attacks is about the only way you know how to deal with the truth hitting you over the head.
I can only assume you will resort to more "CVA/HYDRA" comments in an attempt to paint some kind of connection where there clearly is none. Meanwhile the simple fact that remaining silent about something hardly means you're taking an active part in the planning and execution of said something totally defeats the Star Fraction argument and makes you look like a complete liar. If CVA had joined Hydra in carrying out these operations as the Star Fraction joined with DX4 to carry out that corp theft operation I'd say "yes, those are similar". As that is not the case however clearly they are not similar at all.
Apples to apples Jade... you're looking at the orange instead...
I will be standing by to receive your words of scorn, perhaps even calling me "maggot" or "worm", for that is after all the true confirmation that you are flailing about unable to make any reasonable argument to support your latest ridiculous position. It is entertaining to be sure watching the inconvienent truth train run over you once again.
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Amarr PIE Inc.
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Originally by: Garreck Edited by: Garreck on 26/07/2010 16:19:16 Dear me.
My apologies for a belated response. Per Aralis' appointment some weeks ago, I do speak in an official capacity for CVA, so I will try to make this as clear and concise as possible:
Hydra Reloaded are certainly red to CVA and are likely to remain so for the foreseeable future. For a time their objectives were in line with ours and they saw fit to fight by our rules of engagement. That time has come and gone. It's not for me to say if such a time will or will not return.
During the fall of Providence, many of the public voices of Ushra'Khan expressed open disdain on the battlefield for any previously held decorum between U'K and CVA in terms of tactics, subterfuge, and spying in particular. Using intel gathered by -A- as regards security of towers and comms in particular was regarded as completely acceptable by Ushra'Khan leadership...a sentiment which was time and again reinforced during more heated verbal exchanges in various battles.
In light of this...yes, CVA will most certainly continue our campaign to regain what has been lost, and Ushra'Khan's misfortune will not give us pause. Our operations will continue, though it's likely no secret that our operations currently focus on an area of space not even occupied by Ushra'Khan. That said, oportunities to cause harm to Ushra'Khan logistical operations, fleet assembly, patrols, and Ushra'Khan assets and operations in general will continue to be taken advantage of. We obviously reserve the right to reclaim any Providence system we are capable of taking and holding.
The following I have not sought permission from Aralis to post, but I feel strongly enough about to speak on my own.
To the perpetrators of this espionage: let Ushra'Khan keep their name. Certain things should not be stolen.
Thank you for clearing things up, Garreck.
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Minmatar The Littlest Hobos Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.07.26 16:49:00 -
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Originally by: Garreck Edited by: Garreck on 26/07/2010 16:19:16 Hydra Reloaded are certainly red to CVA and are likely to remain so for the foreseeable future.
Riiiiiight - so 9 CVA just happened to be at QBL-BV SBU killmail with 30 Hydra 26-07-2010 at 10:44:00 (check U'K KB for details), and they just happened to shoot at the SBU instead of Hydra, who also happened to ignore CVA ships on grid...
Funny coincidence this thing since HYDRA is red to CVA... Either that or CVA's fighting forces ability to engage reds are worse than thought...
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Flaming Lemming
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Posted - 2010.07.26 17:11:00 -
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Originally by: Garreck Edited by: Garreck on 26/07/2010 16:19:16 Dear me.
My apologies for a belated response. Per Aralis' appointment some weeks ago, I do speak in an official capacity for CVA, so I will try to make this as clear and concise as possible:
Hydra Reloaded are certainly red to CVA and are likely to remain so for the foreseeable future. For a time their objectives were in line with ours and they saw fit to fight by our rules of engagement. That time has come and gone. It's not for me to say if such a time will or will not return.
During the fall of Providence, many of the public voices of Ushra'Khan expressed open disdain on the battlefield for any previously held decorum between U'K and CVA in terms of tactics, subterfuge, and spying in particular. Using intel gathered by -A- as regards security of towers and comms in particular was regarded as completely acceptable by Ushra'Khan leadership...a sentiment which was time and again reinforced during more heated verbal exchanges in various battles.
In light of this...yes, CVA will most certainly continue our campaign to regain what has been lost, and Ushra'Khan's misfortune will not give us pause. Our operations will continue, though it's likely no secret that our operations currently focus on an area of space not even occupied by Ushra'Khan. That said, oportunities to cause harm to Ushra'Khan logistical operations, fleet assembly, patrols, and Ushra'Khan assets and operations in general will continue to be taken advantage of. We obviously reserve the right to reclaim any Providence system we are capable of taking and holding.
The following I have not sought permission from Aralis to post, but I feel strongly enough about to speak on my own.
To the perpetrators of this espionage: let Ushra'Khan keep their name. Certain things should not be stolen.
"They did it, so that makes it OK when we do it!"
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Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.26 17:26:00 -
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Originally by: Jennahia Fox
Riiiiiight - so 9 CVA just happened to be at QBL-BV SBU killmail with 30 Hydra 26-07-2010 at 10:44:00 (check U'K KB for details), and they just happened to shoot at the SBU instead of Hydra, who also happened to ignore CVA ships on grid...
Funny coincidence this thing since HYDRA is red to CVA... Either that or CVA's fighting forces ability to engage reds are worse than thought...
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I'm not sure what sort of response you are expecting. A denial that we were involved in the destruction of a structure Hydra were also interested in destroying?
Take your petty sour grapes somewhere else. This is a war of ideology; sometimes it's ugly. Originally by: Flaming Lemming "They did it, so that makes it OK when we do it!"
That's not how I imagined the ethics of CVA to be.
Happily it's not how CVA ethics are or ever have been. Quite simply, unspoken (or quitely spoken about)agreements about standards of combat between Ushra'Khan and CVA have been declared null and void by Ushra'Khan themselves. We are no longer under any obligation to cease our Crusade, mandated by God and in support of His Holy Empire, simply because Ushra'Khan security protocols are lacking and trust was misplaced.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Originally by: Archbishop Would you care to address the differences in these two scenarios?
No. Because I believe you are incapable of honest communication. You defend and justify the theft of the oldest alliance name in Eve thus your opinion and words are worthless.
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