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Toovhon
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Posted - 2010.07.25 07:54:00 -
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Bugger all power and CPU, I can only manage to fit the littlest of the three sizes of small railguns, I have to use +cap rigs just to have an armour rep that lasts long enough to keep me alive... some of the time, I'm slow as hell compared to frigates, I'm easy as hell to target... arrrgh. Tell me I'm missing something really obvious, please. All a frigate has to do to kill me is get right up in my face under falloff range, stasis me, and blast away :-(
Frankly this is one of those times I'd like to be told I'm a noob and I suck and I have it all wrong... cause damned if I can work out how to make destroyers worthy of their name.
TIA :-)
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Yuki Kulotsuki
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Posted - 2010.07.25 08:31:00 -
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I'm not sure people actually tank dessies. They make decent alpha gank boats or salvage boats.
Originally by: CCP Lemur THIS IS GOD: ... IF YOU HAVE ANY MORE REQUESTS I'M AVAILABLE SUNDAY FROM 10:30 TO 12:00 TO RECEIVE YOUR PRAYERS.
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Jintra Jin'tak
Hoover Inc. WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2010.07.25 08:52:00 -
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[Catalyst, pvp] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Damage Control II Tracking Enhancer II
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters
Light Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Light Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Light Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Light Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Light Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Light Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Light Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Light Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Small Hybrid Burst Aerator I Small Hybrid Collision Accelerator I [empty rig slot]
Warrior II x1
Overheat all, blink away. Null for those "I kite you" guys. Rails are for 3-mid hybrid plattforms, if you have to.
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Rath Morgan
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.07.25 11:20:00 -
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First I would ask what you are trying to do with it. If you are trying to run level 2 missions with it, forget it. It's possible depending on the mission, but in general it isn't worth the struggle. Level 1's the destroyer owns if you have skills that let you load up six decent guns.
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Mutant Caldari
Caldari Percussive Diplomacy
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Posted - 2010.07.25 12:34:00 -
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[Catalyst, New Setup 1] Small Armor Repairer II Damage Control II Adaptive Nano Plating II
Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator
125mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge S 125mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge S 125mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge S 125mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge S 125mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge S 125mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge S 125mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge S 125mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge S
Small Ancillary Current Router I Small Capacitor Control Circuit I Small Capacitor Control Circuit I
^That is always possible for PvE. Fits with AWU 4(Which EVERYONE should have anyway.) Yeah I am a pirate. What are you gonna do about it? Killboard link is not allowed to be used in a signature.Applebabe
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.07.25 13:06:00 -
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Destroyers aren't very good at destroying stuff. Ironically, though, they salvage quite efficiently :).
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Mutant Caldari
Caldari Percussive Diplomacy
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Posted - 2010.07.25 13:14:00 -
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Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 Destroyers aren't very good at destroying stuff. Ironically, though, they salvage quite efficiently :).
If you know how to use them properly they are. Most people who QQ about destroyers can't use them properly though. Yeah I am a pirate. What are you gonna do about it? Killboard link is not allowed to be used in a signature.Applebabe
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Thorian Baalnorn
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Posted - 2010.07.25 14:10:00 -
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Edited by: Thorian Baalnorn on 25/07/2010 14:12:11 Destroyers are the most useless class of ship in the game. The only thing they are decent at is a cheap salvage boat. They arent good at killing frigs if the frig pilot knows what he is doing. They arent good at tackling, they dont have tanks, their dps isnt that great compared to a cruiser( not to mention they are literally a glass cannon.) and cruisers/battlecruisers( cane FTW) make better salvage boats.
Not even the T2 dessy is very good. When you by a dictor you buy it like beer/soda in a 12 pack. Because you basically pop the top, use it once and have to go get another.
Overall unless your going to salvage/ loot missions and want to do it cheaply( though a cane is worth the investment even if you are not minnie if you are a heavy mission runner) a destroyer isnt even worth the effort to buy and setup.except salvaging whatever your going to use a destroyer for save you money and buy a cruiser. Much better investment.
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Johan Sabbat
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.07.25 22:05:00 -
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Get some mates together and try popping hulks...
Fun and profit?
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Lubomir Penev
interimo
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Posted - 2010.07.25 23:00:00 -
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Originally by: Thorian Baalnorn Edited by: Thorian Baalnorn on 25/07/2010 14:12:11 Destroyers are the most useless class of ship in the game. The only thing they are decent at is a cheap salvage boat. They arent good at killing frigs if the frig pilot knows what he is doing. They arent good at tackling, they dont have tanks, their dps isnt that great compared to a cruiser( not to mention they are literally a glass cannon.) and cruisers/battlecruisers( cane FTW) make better salvage boats.
Not even the T2 dessy is very good. When you by a dictor you buy it like beer/soda in a 12 pack. Because you basically pop the top, use it once and have to go get another.
Overall unless your going to salvage/ loot missions and want to do it cheaply( though a cane is worth the investment even if you are not minnie if you are a heavy mission runner) a destroyer isnt even worth the effort to buy and setup.except salvaging whatever your going to use a destroyer for save you money and buy a cruiser. Much better investment.
Or you can stop drooling and making a mess everywhere you go, and use destroyers for what they are invaluable, popping expensive T2 frigs like there's no tomorrow.
The biggest error with destroyers is thinking they are between frigates and cruisers. -- CCP is not killing the goose that laid the golden eggs! It's merely starving it. |
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JonnyRandom
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Posted - 2010.07.26 00:50:00 -
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Dessies are best used in gangs as fly-by snipers. Very good at popping unsuspecting enemies that giggle in vent when they see dessies on d-scan and then start raging when the next minute they are floating in their pod and the dessies are already nowhere to be seen. Bring enough, and you can even finish off overconfident battleships, too.
They are also frigate MURDERERS. I love it when dumb inties try to catch me and then instead just melt in seconds. |
Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.07.26 06:35:00 -
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Originally by: Toovhon What am I missing with destoyers?
The shipton of skillpoints needed to fit the things effectively as they take pretty much perfect fitting skills to actually fill all the turret slots.
Originally by: JonnyRandom Dessies are best used in gangs as fly-by snipers. Very good at popping unsuspecting enemies that giggle in vent when they see dessies on d-scan and then start raging when the next minute they are floating in their pod and the dessies are already nowhere to be seen. Bring enough, and you can even finish off overconfident battleships, too.
They are also frigate MURDERERS. I love it when dumb inties try to catch me and then instead just melt in seconds.
/this
Everyone seems to get hung up on this outmoded concept that if a ship is not optimal in solo pvp then it has no use when 99% of the pvp in eve is never 1 vs 1.
Originally by: Balsak Eve-Online, the game that is so awesome people are willing to give CCP money so that they may have the privilege to bash it.
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Baneken
Gallente Aseveljet
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Posted - 2010.07.26 07:26:00 -
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Use of destroyer is also heavily dependant on what races destroyer we're talking about if we talk about minnie destroyer it's a literal murder and if we talk about gallente one ... well not so much ... Cormorant is also a nice little thing to have for lvl 1's when fitted with 150mm rails, popped most frigs in epic arch with one shot (and with minimum skills to squeeze the guns in) with my alt.
These days I use my catalyst mainly as salvager though with it's (extended) mighty 600m^3 cargo hold it can hold a lot of juicy salvage and with the mission nerf regular loot no longer hogs the cargo space.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.07.26 08:02:00 -
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Originally by: Baneken Use of destroyer is also heavily dependant on what races destroyer we're talking about if we talk about minnie destroyer it's a literal murder and if we talk about gallente one ... well not so much ... Cormorant is also a nice little thing to have for lvl 1's when fitted with 150mm rails, popped most frigs in epic arch with one shot (and with minimum skills to squeeze the guns in) with my alt.
These days I use my catalyst mainly as salvager though with it's (extended) mighty 600m^3 cargo hold it can hold a lot of juicy salvage and with the mission nerf regular loot no longer hogs the cargo space.
Good point. The only thing I think of when people say the dessie sucks in pvp is the thrasher. The rest bar maybe the coercer really do suck arse.
Originally by: Balsak Eve-Online, the game that is so awesome people are willing to give CCP money so that they may have the privilege to bash it.
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Zilberfrid
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Posted - 2010.07.26 08:14:00 -
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Originally by: Toovhon What am I missing with destoyers?
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Takseen
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Posted - 2010.07.26 09:19:00 -
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Originally by: Mutant Caldari [Catalyst, New Setup 1]
<snip Tech 2 Catalyst fit>
^That is always possible for PvE. Fits with AWU 4(Which EVERYONE should have anyway.)
I doubt very many people interested in running level 1 or at best level 2 missions with a dessie are gonna have 2 weeks invested in a fitting skill like AWU 4.
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Mutant Caldari
Caldari Percussive Diplomacy
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Posted - 2010.07.26 09:35:00 -
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Originally by: Takseen
Originally by: Mutant Caldari [Catalyst, New Setup 1]
<snip Tech 2 Catalyst fit>
^That is always possible for PvE. Fits with AWU 4(Which EVERYONE should have anyway.)
I doubt very many people interested in running level 1 or at best level 2 missions with a dessie are gonna have 2 weeks invested in a fitting skill like AWU 4.
Considering Destroyers are pretty much the best ships for such a thing, why wouldn't you think that? I know if I was running level 1's and 2's I'd use a Destroyer seeing as how most ships are frigs. Regardless, it gives him something to work towards. Yeah I am a pirate. What are you gonna do about it? Killboard link is not allowed to be used in a signature.Applebabe
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Barrak
Caldari Blue Republic
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Posted - 2010.07.26 10:18:00 -
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Edited by: Barrak on 26/07/2010 10:20:30 Edited by: Barrak on 26/07/2010 10:18:40 Destoyers, much like their real life counterparts (the Navy Destroyer) are fleet support ships.
They are there to support the larger vessels that really kick out the damage. They are there to take out the smaller vessels which the larger ships either A) can not hit or B) shouldn't need to waste their valuable time and effort hitting.
They are there to lay down some fire power, which they do when piloted correctly by someone A) skilled their use and B) skill correctly.
You will rarely see a destroyer in dangerous waters by itself, as they are relatively weak defensively. In fact they could claim the old saying of 'a good defence is often a good offence'.
Barrak In this life (Eve) dying is easy, its living thats hard.
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Rayisa
Minmatar Janus Project
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Posted - 2010.07.26 10:22:00 -
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been using a dessie in level 2 missions for a little while now, my only downtime is my arty cooldown. Most frigs pop in one volley. _
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Takseen
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Posted - 2010.07.26 10:53:00 -
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Originally by: Mutant Caldari
Originally by: Takseen
Originally by: Mutant Caldari [Catalyst, New Setup 1]
<snip Tech 2 Catalyst fit>
^That is always possible for PvE. Fits with AWU 4(Which EVERYONE should have anyway.)
I doubt very many people interested in running level 1 or at best level 2 missions with a dessie are gonna have 2 weeks invested in a fitting skill like AWU 4.
Considering Destroyers are pretty much the best ships for such a thing, why wouldn't you think that? I know if I was running level 1's and 2's I'd use a Destroyer seeing as how most ships are frigs. Regardless, it gives him something to work towards.
Because the vast majority of people running level 1 and level 2 missions are newbies better off moving up to cruisers and BCs as soon as possible to do level 2s and 3s. There's far better ways to spend your SP early on.
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Mutant Caldari
Caldari Percussive Diplomacy
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Posted - 2010.07.26 11:12:00 -
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Originally by: Takseen
Originally by: Mutant Caldari
Originally by: Takseen
Originally by: Mutant Caldari [Catalyst, New Setup 1]
<snip Tech 2 Catalyst fit>
^That is always possible for PvE. Fits with AWU 4(Which EVERYONE should have anyway.)
I doubt very many people interested in running level 1 or at best level 2 missions with a dessie are gonna have 2 weeks invested in a fitting skill like AWU 4.
Considering Destroyers are pretty much the best ships for such a thing, why wouldn't you think that? I know if I was running level 1's and 2's I'd use a Destroyer seeing as how most ships are frigs. Regardless, it gives him something to work towards.
Because the vast majority of people running level 1 and level 2 missions are newbies better off moving up to cruisers and BCs as soon as possible to do level 2s and 3s. There's far better ways to spend your SP early on.
All of the skills which improve the destroyer help with your cruiser/BC skills besides the Destroyer skill itself. For example, WU and AWU, t2 small weapons open up t2 medium weapons, the cap, nav, tank and all of those skills help at a bigger level. So the skills are basically mandatory anyway, only situation I can think of is the Drake/Cormorant where that doesn't hold true to some extent. Yeah I am a pirate. What are you gonna do about it? Killboard link is not allowed to be used in a signature.Applebabe
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Takseen
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Posted - 2010.07.26 11:20:00 -
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Originally by: Mutant Caldari
All of the skills which improve the destroyer help with your cruiser/BC skills besides the Destroyer skill itself. For example, WU and AWU, t2 small weapons open up t2 medium weapons, the cap, nav, tank and all of those skills help at a bigger level. So the skills are basically mandatory anyway, only situation I can think of is the Drake/Cormorant where that doesn't hold true to some extent.
Yup, those are all good skills to get. I'm just saying in most cases you're better off getting into a t1 fitted cruiser or BC, then working on fitting t2 on it. And not wasting too much time on a tech 2 destroyer fitting.
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Mutant Caldari
Caldari Percussive Diplomacy
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Posted - 2010.07.26 11:27:00 -
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Originally by: Takseen
Originally by: Mutant Caldari
All of the skills which improve the destroyer help with your cruiser/BC skills besides the Destroyer skill itself. For example, WU and AWU, t2 small weapons open up t2 medium weapons, the cap, nav, tank and all of those skills help at a bigger level. So the skills are basically mandatory anyway, only situation I can think of is the Drake/Cormorant where that doesn't hold true to some extent.
Yup, those are all good skills to get. I'm just saying in most cases you're better off getting into a t1 fitted cruiser or BC, then working on fitting t2 on it. And not wasting too much time on a tech 2 destroyer fitting.
You could easily have downgraded my fit to t1 where needed, the main point was the fact it could be fit as such. However being able to t2 fit a destroyer also opens up a lot of opportunities, in PvE and PvP both. Also seeing as how, if I remember correctly, most level 2's are full of frigs, wouldn't the ship designed to kill the frigates be worth getting a good fit for? Yeah I am a pirate. What are you gonna do about it? Killboard link is not allowed to be used in a signature.Applebabe
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Takseen
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Posted - 2010.07.26 11:34:00 -
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Originally by: Mutant Caldari
You could easily have downgraded my fit to t1 where needed, the main point was the fact it could be fit as such. However being able to t2 fit a destroyer also opens up a lot of opportunities, in PvE and PvP both. Also seeing as how, if I remember correctly, most level 2's are full of frigs, wouldn't the ship designed to kill the frigates be worth getting a good fit for?
Yeah, having looked at a few basic Thorax fits, AWU 4 looks like its needed to fit even a rack of Tech 1 rails without MW rigs or mods so its probably no harm to get it early if you're into that. My experience is a little different since I'm into drones, a Vexor with 5 Hobs will utterly devastate frigates even more effectively than a dessie, and you don't even need to lock onto much. And obviously you don't need AWU 4, I don't even have WU 4 yet.
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Mutant Caldari
Caldari Percussive Diplomacy
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Posted - 2010.07.26 11:44:00 -
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Originally by: Takseen
Originally by: Mutant Caldari
You could easily have downgraded my fit to t1 where needed, the main point was the fact it could be fit as such. However being able to t2 fit a destroyer also opens up a lot of opportunities, in PvE and PvP both. Also seeing as how, if I remember correctly, most level 2's are full of frigs, wouldn't the ship designed to kill the frigates be worth getting a good fit for?
Yeah, having looked at a few basic Thorax fits, AWU 4 looks like its needed to fit even a rack of Tech 1 rails without MW rigs or mods so its probably no harm to get it early if you're into that. My experience is a little different since I'm into drones, a Vexor with 5 Hobs will utterly devastate frigates even more effectively than a dessie, and you don't even need to lock onto much. And obviously you don't need AWU 4, I don't even have WU 4 yet.
Well, obviously it is different for drone boats, lol. However they are still good skills to have, regardless of what kind of ship you are in. For example if you plan on fitting any guns on your drone ships, you'll basically need those skills. Plus T2 damage mods are sexy. Yeah I am a pirate. What are you gonna do about it? Killboard link is not allowed to be used in a signature.Applebabe
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Guillame Herschel
Gallente NME1
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Posted - 2010.07.27 00:02:00 -
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Originally by: Toovhon Tell me I'm missing something really obvious, please.
Skill Points.
Quote: All a frigate has to do to kill me is get right up in my face under falloff range, stasis me, and blast away :-(
Don't let them do that. Kill them first.
To do that, you need more Skill Points so you can fit bigger guns, and track fast targets, and hit them really hard.
Quote: Frankly this is one of those times I'd like to be told I'm a noob ...
You are a noob. But you don't suck, you just need more SP to turn a Destroyer from a deathtrap to a ship worthy of the class name. They are deceptively easy to get into, and a bit harder than their skill requirements suggest to maximize their potential.
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