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MagicMike
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Posted - 2010.07.25 23:41:00 -
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Need some help with a Guardian fit. Using it in PVP to support 1 or 2 other ships. Any ideas or fits that you may have would be a great help. Thanks in advance.
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raukosen
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Posted - 2010.07.25 23:59:00 -
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[Guardian, acr] Damage Control II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Adaptive Nano Plating II Reactor Control Unit II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Conjunctive Radar ECCM Scanning Array I
Large 'Solace' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Solace' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Solace' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Solace' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Regard' I Power Projector Large 'Regard' I Power Projector
Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Light Armor Maintenance Bot I x5
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MagicMike
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Posted - 2010.07.26 00:05:00 -
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Thanks for the fit but prefer a full Tech II fit if cap stable.
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Valoric Liao
Gallente Ethos Mining and Logistics
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Posted - 2010.07.26 01:19:00 -
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Edited by: Valoric Liao on 26/07/2010 01:19:09 He's given you the important t2 modules... Seriously. Look them up. Just try switching out everything for T2, then come back and apologize. :) ________________________________________ Eve For Fun! - July 21st: I'm getting my ass handed to me. Handily. |
MagicMike
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Posted - 2010.07.26 01:39:00 -
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Thank you for your totally worthless comments. If you have a fit then please post it otherwise your comments are useless.
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Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
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Posted - 2010.07.26 02:04:00 -
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Originally by: MagicMike Thank you for your totally worthless comments. If you have a fit then please post it otherwise your comments are useless.
And to you as well. Seriously, try a full T2 fit and see where that lands you. Meta 4s, in this case, really are preferable. But what you've been given is a pretty decent outline. Swap for T2 as you see fit.
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Valoric Liao
Gallente Ethos Mining and Logistics
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Posted - 2010.07.26 02:07:00 -
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That's a terrible apology.
Seriously, though, it is impossible to take the above fit and replace everything with T2s. With the MWD, the T2 is, in fact, slightly worse for both cap-use and fittings, while offering the same speed and signature bloom.
TL;DR: T2, in this case, is not better.
________________________________________ Eve For Fun! - July 21st: I'm getting my ass handed to me. Handily. |
Yuki Kulotsuki
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Posted - 2010.07.26 02:38:00 -
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Originally by: MagicMike Thanks for the fit but prefer a full Tech II fit if cap stable.
lol
If it's just a couple of ships that aren't BS sized I suppose you could use medium reps.
Originally by: CCP Lemur THIS IS GOD: ... IF YOU HAVE ANY MORE REQUESTS I'M AVAILABLE SUNDAY FROM 10:30 TO 12:00 TO RECEIVE YOUR PRAYERS.
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Valoric Liao
Gallente Ethos Mining and Logistics
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Posted - 2010.07.26 02:44:00 -
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Originally by: Yuki Kulotsuki
Originally by: MagicMike Thanks for the fit but prefer a full Tech II fit if cap stable.
lol
If it's just a couple of ships that aren't BS sized I suppose you could use medium reps.
Downgrading to mediums gives you a whopping 10 seconds more with everything running. Still, a valid point. ________________________________________ Eve For Fun! - July 21st: I'm getting my ass handed to me. Handily. |
MagicMike
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Posted - 2010.07.26 02:51:00 -
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All these wonderful comments and still have nothing that is cap stable. The original fit that was given is not even close to being cap stable. What is the use of fitting this ship as suggested if the damn thing runs out of cap in 20 seconds? Again thanks for the totall worthless information. So far the people that have posted on this has shown that they know nothing about logistics ships and have way too much time on their hands to provide useless info.
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Valoric Liao
Gallente Ethos Mining and Logistics
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Posted - 2010.07.26 03:08:00 -
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Edited by: Valoric Liao on 26/07/2010 03:11:34 Gosh, first you show your own incompetence and laziness, then you turn to utter churlishness as well.
Your options for making this cap stable are limited:
*Fit a booster, but loose the ECCM, and downgrade 3 reppers to medium. But now you're useless against the first ECM boat you come across. *Downgrade to mediums, replace rigs with CCCs, replace RCU with cap relay, replace ANM with a cap relay. Loose a fair bit of tank. ________________________________________ Eve For Fun! - July 21st: I'm getting my ass handed to me. Handily. |
Zindela
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2010.07.26 03:09:00 -
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Originally by: MagicMike All these wonderful comments and still have nothing that is cap stable. The original fit that was given is not even close to being cap stable. What is the use of fitting this ship as suggested if the damn thing runs out of cap in 20 seconds? Again thanks for the totall worthless information. So far the people that have posted on this has shown that they know nothing about logistics ships and have way too much time on their hands to provide useless info.
you know... maybe if you outlined your requests better in your first post, people would know better what you wanted? All you asked for was a fit. you got one. and then started raging that it was useless. People gave you advice on how to fit it the way that you wanted, and you ignored it as useless. If you know what you want, tell us, then be polite.
[Guardian, New Setup 1] Damage Control II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Capacitor Power Relay II
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Cap Recharger II
Medium Energy Transfer Array II Medium Energy Transfer Array II Medium Remote Armor Repair System II Medium Remote Armor Repair System II [empty high slot] [empty high slot]
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
There, that wasn't so hard now was it? T2 fit, and cap stable... with max skills. fits with a 1% PG implant.
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MagicMike
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Posted - 2010.07.26 03:15:00 -
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Edited by: MagicMike on 26/07/2010 03:19:49 Edited by: MagicMike on 26/07/2010 03:17:47 And yet another EPIC fit! I am impressed. Don't bother posting anymore I see that this is totally pointless. Will ask someone who knows something. And I am not lazy just figured someone out there might have a good fit to support 1 or 2 ships simultaniously and is cap stable. Mediums reppers are not the answer. But Hey thanks anyways.
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weaselalt
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Posted - 2010.07.26 03:17:00 -
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Originally by: MagicMike All these wonderful comments and still have nothing that is cap stable. The original fit that was given is not even close to being cap stable. What is the use of fitting this ship as suggested if the damn thing runs out of cap in 20 seconds? Again thanks for the totall worthless information. So far the people that have posted on this has shown that they know nothing about logistics ships and have way too much time on their hands to provide useless info.
The guardian is tight on fitting so that's why you aren't seeing tech 2 fits, it can't handle them. And the cap issue is solved by pairing it with other guardians and running cap transfer chains.
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Zindela
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2010.07.26 03:27:00 -
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Originally by: MagicMike Edited by: MagicMike on 26/07/2010 03:19:49 Edited by: MagicMike on 26/07/2010 03:17:47 And yet another EPIC fit! I am impressed. Don't bother posting anymore I see that this is totally pointless. Will ask someone who knows something. And I am not lazy just figured someone out there might have a good fit to support 1 or 2 ships simultaniously and is cap stable. Mediums reppers are not the answer. But Hey thanks anyways.
You really need to be more specific in what you want, earlier in the thread. You wanted T2, and cap stable, so there, you need Mediums. If you want larges, say so. You're not gonna be cap stable, end of discussion. early specificity keeps us all from fighting, and you'll get much more direct, relevant answers. If you want large reps, you're going to need multiple Guardians and have a cap-spider tank. -------------------
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Happy Lady
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Posted - 2010.07.26 03:34:00 -
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CAP STABLE BRO
[Guardian, New Setup 1] Capacitor Flux Coil II Capacitor Flux Coil II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Damage Control II
Cap Recharger II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II
Large Remote Armor Repair System II Large Remote Armor Repair System II Medium Nosferatu II Medium Energy Neutralizer II [empty high slot] [empty high slot]
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Light Armor Maintenance Bot II x5
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bluenzo
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Posted - 2010.07.26 03:47:00 -
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A good guardian isn't cap stable. Until you understand. Don't fly it.
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Smk56
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Posted - 2010.07.26 04:49:00 -
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Originally by: MagicMike Edited by: MagicMike on 26/07/2010 03:19:49 Edited by: MagicMike on 26/07/2010 03:17:47 And yet another EPIC fit! I am impressed. Don't bother posting anymore I see that this is totally pointless. Will ask someone who knows something. And I am not lazy just figured someone out there might have a good fit to support 1 or 2 ships simultaniously and is cap stable. Mediums reppers are not the answer. But Hey thanks anyways.
Is this a troll? You say you're not lazy but you didn't bother look up even the most basic knowledge about the Guardian. They're designed to work in pairs and a normal fit isn't cap stable. Look into an Oneiros.
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Apollo Gabriel
Domini Lex Talionis Etherium Cartel
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Posted - 2010.07.26 05:35:00 -
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Magic Mike
Many Meta 4 are BETTER than Tech 2. Please use the compare tool on the Variations tab and you will see.
Why do you want Cap stable exactly? Perhaps you have some goal that isn't clear to us here. PvP is NOT generally about Cap stable.
Why? Well the guy that isn't can burn twice as bright, sure for only half as long, but you're dead by then.
What good is your cap stable if you get neuted?
Honestly you're being an ass to people who really tried to help you, so please come back when you know something,
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.07.26 06:50:00 -
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Magicmike must think people are hiding some magical cap stable fit from him when guardians are designed to be run in pairs with energy transfers. There is no cap stable solo guardian fit that is the slightest bit useful. Like others have said look into an onieros or even better a scimitar as small gangs do better with shield tanked ships so they can free up the lows for pew pew mods and nano.
Originally by: Balsak Eve-Online, the game that is so awesome people are willing to give CCP money so that they may have the privilege to bash it.
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ElJo123
Sons Of 0din
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Posted - 2010.07.26 08:16:00 -
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OP is right, you're all idiots. He wanted a fully T2 AND cap stable fit, and you failed to deliver.
So:
[Guardian, IT IS T2 AND CAP STABLE!11one] Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II
Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II
Large Remote Armor Repair System II Large Remote Armor Repair System II Large Remote Armor Repair System II Large Remote Armor Repair System II Large Remote Armor Repair System II Large Remote Armor Repair System II
Medium Ancillary Current Router II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
See? Easy!
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.07.26 08:20:00 -
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Originally by: ElJo123 OP is right, you're all idiots. He wanted a fully T2 AND cap stable fit, and you failed to deliver.
So:
[Guardian, IT IS T2 AND CAP STABLE!11one] Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II
Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II
Large Remote Armor Repair System II Large Remote Armor Repair System II Large Remote Armor Repair System II Large Remote Armor Repair System II Large Remote Armor Repair System II Large Remote Armor Repair System II
Medium Ancillary Current Router II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
See? Easy!
Jenius!
Originally by: Balsak Eve-Online, the game that is so awesome people are willing to give CCP money so that they may have the privilege to bash it.
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MagicMike
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Posted - 2010.07.26 09:19:00 -
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Edited by: MagicMike on 26/07/2010 09:21:46 Horray! Thank you much. This will finally end this thread as people definately have too much time on their hands. Was only an ass to one person really since they decided to open their pie hole and provide nothing.(if the shoe fits) So to the rest of you thanks for the wonderful thread. I enjoyed reading it and actually having a laugh. See you in space and just hope that your not in the receiving end as I do have a fit that is cap stable and provides exactly what I need. (not the final posted fit but thanks)
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Mister BigChin
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Posted - 2010.07.26 09:23:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: ElJo123 OP is right, you're all idiots. He wanted a fully T2 AND cap stable fit, and you failed to deliver.
So:
[Guardian, IT IS T2 AND CAP STABLE!11one] Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II
Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II
Large Remote Armor Repair System II Large Remote Armor Repair System II Large Remote Armor Repair System II Large Remote Armor Repair System II Large Remote Armor Repair System II Large Remote Armor Repair System II
Medium Ancillary Current Router II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
See? Easy!
Jenius!
... he said support... not rep....
Quote:
[Guardian, lolz] Nanofiber Internal Structure II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II
Quad LiF Fueled I Booster Rockets Cap Recharger II
Small Energy Transfer Array II Small Energy Transfer Array II Small Energy Transfer Array II Small Energy Transfer Array II Small Energy Transfer Array II Small Energy Transfer Array II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
muhahahha
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159Pinky
Trans-Solar Works Rooks and Kings
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Posted - 2010.07.26 09:28:00 -
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I advice OP to be more friendly next time to ppl. They only wanted to help you and none of them actually trolled ( which is a sign they REALLY did try to help ). And still you act as if they're worth nothing and you know it all: well it looks like you don't so stop acting like it.
Anyway, here's a fit:
[Solo - Stable] Medium Armor Repairer II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Damage Control II Capacitor Power Relay II
Y-S8 Hydrocarbon I Afterburners Prototype ECCM I Radar Sensor Cluster
Large Remote Armor Repair System II Large Remote Armor Repair System II Large Remote Armor Repair System II Large Remote Armor Repair System II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Can be made cap stable by running 3 RR ( so the fourth rep has no use at all, or does it ? ) at the same time. Can change tank. Can add implants to improve cap performance, but you can figure that one out yourself.
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Lugalzagezi666
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Posted - 2010.07.26 10:13:00 -
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[Guardian, New Setup 1] Damage Control II Centii C-Type Adaptive Nano Plating Armor EM Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
10MN Afterburner II Conjunctive Radar ECCM Scanning Array I
Large 'Solace' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Solace' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Solace' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Solace' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Medium Remote Armor Repair System II Large 'Regard' I Power Projector
Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Light Armor Maintenance Bot II x5
This "works best for me" , sometimes i switch med rr to med energy transfer /or large rr to large transfer/. Ofc it not solo fit, but guardian isnt designed to be solo rr support anyway. It has great resist profile and nice buffer to prevent the need to jump the gate every 30s of fight and still has nice repping power.
If i wanted to make guardian for solo rr support id base it on armor rr rigs /so you can perma at least 3 lrars/ and mar + 800rt /maybe even dualrep, i never tried it so idk/.
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Avithren
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Posted - 2010.07.26 10:47:00 -
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Originally by: ElJo123 OP is right, you're all idiots. He wanted a fully T2 AND cap stable fit, and you failed to deliver.
So:
[Guardian, IT IS T2 AND CAP STABLE!11one] Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II
Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II
Large Remote Armor Repair System II Large Remote Armor Repair System II Large Remote Armor Repair System II Large Remote Armor Repair System II Large Remote Armor Repair System II Large Remote Armor Repair System II
Medium Ancillary Current Router II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
See? Easy!
You forgot the white flag for when he gets targetted, silly.
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Aesheera
Amarr Slave Traders Union
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Posted - 2010.07.26 11:34:00 -
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Edited by: Aesheera on 26/07/2010 11:37:43 Should redo the original post as follows: "Anyone with actual insightful info please move to someplace intelligent. Im looking to fail properly."
That being said:
Lows: Explosive Hardener II Explosive Hardener II Expanded Cargohold II Adaptive Nanoplating II Power Diagnostic System II
Mids: 1mn Afterburner II Micro Capbooster II
Highs: Small Remote Armor Repair System II Small Remote Armor Repair System II Large Graviton Smartbomb II (offlined for Heatsink sexyness) Medium Energy transfer II Heavy Neutron Blaster II w/ CN Medium Tungsten Medium Nosferatu II
Rigs: Cargohold Optimization II Anti Exlosive Pump II
Drones: TD drones.
You can suck and neut the enemies cap, rep your own and your buddies drones - heck even his ship if he face hugs you and you got so much cargospace you can keep that micro booster going for ages. And anyone going explosive on your a$$ is gonna cry. And if you get drone swarmed, online your smartbomb and get rid of em! Not only that, your drones will totally screw over any turret ship guaranteed. All T2 baby - just what you needed.
Hows that for support.
TL;DR Dont be a a-hole when people give you sound advice.
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Jean hunt
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Posted - 2010.07.26 12:54:00 -
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Magicmike....why u being such a noob ?
The gaurdian at cruiser 5 and logistics 5 is still not cap stable wit all large mods running..... it works best when working in a partnership with other gaurdians transferring cap between each other .
Dont flame unless u really understand the ship
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Revii Lagoon
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Posted - 2010.07.26 15:51:00 -
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Has anyone failed to mention the fact that guardians really suck for pvp unless they are being used in pairs of 2, or have a full energy transfer chain? As for T2 vs meta 4 reps, unless you NEED those extra .5 seconds, meta 4's are always better on logistic ships whereas its most likely better to fit T2 stuff on non logistic ships. Here's a sample fit
[Guardian, PVP]
4x Large 'Solace' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction 2x Large 'Regard' I Power Projector
10MN Afterburner II ECCM - Radar II
800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I 2x Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Corpii C-Type Adaptive Nano Plating Damage Control II
Medium Anti-Thermic Pump I Medium Ancillary Current Router I
5x Light Armor Maintenance Bot I
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