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Keta Fraal
Nul and Booleans
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Posted - 2010.11.16 01:06:00 -
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Originally by: Bear Templar
Off-topic: Why, oh why, isn't there an option for corp members to alter orders? Surely if you've given them director access then surely you trust them enough with the corps ISK.
I was thinking this just 2 days ago. Should get it's own thread. --------------------------------------- Completely ignore any whining that is not toilet orientated. |
Darktigerras
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Posted - 2010.11.17 13:06:00 -
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If you're wondering what to bring, just thing low sec pvp stuff. I.e. frigates, cruisers, their tech 2 counterparts and fittings. Faction ammo would sell wonderfully I think, as would regular ammo. I imagine there'd be a goldmine here for meta 4 products.
Oh, and uh....don't worry about stocking amarr ships, they wont sell
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rain9441
Big Head Want Dolly
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Posted - 2010.11.17 18:01:00 -
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I just want to jump in here and give another nonchalant bump with an update.
I've put up nearly everything I could possibly imagine relating to small ships (Frigates/destroyers) except for the T2 ships themselves. I've got a nice pile of minerals down there and am pumping out T1 frigates/destroyers to meet demand. The list includes: T1 ammo, T2 ammo, faction ammo, T1 ships, T2 modules, select few metas (armor plates, ab and mwd), popular T1 rigs, T1 frigates, T1 destroyers, and scripts. I can't manufacture T2 ships and I don't have the ISK to to keep them in stock.
T1 Ships I sell at cost and keep stocked up nicely (I swear I get noobs from Hek jumping into low sec to buy cheap ships because I sell a LOT of thrashers/probes). All else has markup. The idea is sort of like ink jet printers except prices are flipped on the ink/printer; 40$ printer, 200$ ink.
At first I wasn't selling a whole lot. Some people bought just a few things, eg restocking ammo. Now that the full package is there I've found people buying more full packages. Some people buy multiple ships (like Diesel pointed out) right away, others JIT them. Sometimes I see the same guy buy two ships 20 minutes apart. Later I see his wreck at a nearby gate. It's also kind of fun to search killboards for names that appear in the wallet. You can check out their favorite fittings then. I'm now also seeing names reappear in the wallet transaction log. Repeat customers.
I saw in local chat somebody talking about how they lost a ship and were going to try and reship 'here at frerstorn.' They mentioned this very post. Since I just happened to have an alt online at the time I striked a conversation up. He/she was happy to be able to reship in a cruiser (Some minmatar t1 cruiser) and found everything except for faction fusion M.
So things are looking pretty good in terms of potential. I chose the small ship market due to the extremely low isk requirement to 'fill the market gaps'. Making a medium ship market (battlecruisers, cruisers, T2 cruisers) is going to take many billions of ISK. Even small ship market is very thin (I have only 2-3 of many mods, and 'just enough guns to fit a destroyer'). More people = merrier at this point. It's not about profit margins yet, it's about getting some acceleration/traction on movement.
If you're just a T1 manufacturer - I can put up sell orders for minerals. Yes people do buy T1 mods for PvP ships. I don't have enough order slots to do it all. It's much easier to stock 500x T1 gun than it is 15x T2 gun. If 15x T2 gun runs out, theres always T1 guns. I haul down 800mm arti's and have someone reprocess them at another station (Ishukone is 30% refining, ugh) for minerals and I have plenty to spare. Someone with perfect refining for the republic military school corp would be a nice addition to the crew.
If you're a station trader with some extra isk - Consider putting up buy orders for popular PvP items players would get off looting other PvP ships. Keep it at station only, get people used to going to Frerstorn to buy/sell. Looking at killmails I've seen a lot of cruisers getting destroyed with small T2 mods and ammo. After a fight half the gang goes to reship, the other half can go to sell the loot. I take a BR from Frerstorn to Jita and back twice a week. Diesel uses a JF. If you want it hauled to Jita, someone can do it for you.
That's about all I can say about the Faction Warfare hub aspect of Frerstorn. I just don't have the ISK to add to the capitol hub aspect. I'm sure diesel could use a hand in that regard as well. If you want to take part of the small ship market for yourself, that frees up my ISK to focus on something else (like keeping the other half of the small ship market intact). More = merrier.
PS: One of my S&I alts needed some new cheap Int/Memory implants and I noticed someone put up basic int/memory implants at frerstorn. I laughed. Pretty good stuff :)
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Der Felsenbergmann
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Posted - 2010.11.18 03:55:00 -
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*gets in Crane*
This is really a fantastic idea, I'd be more than happy to start running supplies out.
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Luke Lor'aul
New Eden Association
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Posted - 2010.11.18 05:00:00 -
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I'm gonna hop on this wagon and move some faction ammo in as a pilot to see how well it sells, if it sells well.. Count me in for the long haul.
Also, gonna start manufacturing scramblers down there..
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Luke Lor'aul
New Eden Association
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Posted - 2010.11.18 05:02:00 -
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double post: what areas of the market are lacking? are you all selling just minmatar? would be willing to move a couple different faction's worth of ammo/guns/ships down there, if there is demand
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Steijn
Minmatar Quay Industries
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Posted - 2010.11.18 06:03:00 -
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Ive stuck most AF/Cov-Ops/SB's up to see how they go atm.
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Ambo
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2010.11.18 08:44:00 -
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Just thought I'd post a little about my experiences with a low sec trade hub.
When in the minmatar militia, I did a lot of restocking of the market in Auga 3rd (closest thing minnie's had to a home station) I actually bought a JF alt and JF specifically for stocking this station.
I stocked all popular T1 and T2 sub-capital ships, T2 mods, a few best named and the most popular ammo types. (T1 mods sell ok but aren't worth the effort imo)
Within 3 months, I'd made enough to cover the cost of both the alt and the JF, which is not bad going.
In terms of initial capital, I put a few 10's of billions into this. Trade only really picked up after people began to realise that there was a market there being stocked and they could buy complete loadouts. This was critical: There is no point just selling ships and a few items as your buyers will have to go 5 jumps to a major hub to pickup everything else they need. Seeing that, they'll just buy everything at the hub. i.e. you need to stock enough for people to build complete loadouts - sometimes this means stocking items that provide less profit in order to boost the hub as a whole (the perfect example of this is (non-navy) cap boosters - huge m3 volume for miniscule profits but used in a lot of low-sec PvP loadouts) --------------------------------------
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Bear Templar
Fibonacci Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2010.11.18 12:14:00 -
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I was actually in Auga yesterday checking out the market there. One of the problems that i found (it might not actually be a problem, i just percieved it as one), is that Rens is only 4 jumps away and in the same market region. Thus people can see the prices and can simply go the extra 8 jumps (round trip) to get a cheaper setup. The flip side to this is that they have to pass through Amamake; to which pay people are, from your experience, willing to pay that little bit extra.
I may put a few things up there, see how they sell. We'll see.
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rain9441
Big Head Want Dolly
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Posted - 2010.11.18 16:14:00 -
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Originally by: Ambo (the perfect example of this is (non-navy) cap boosters
I knew I forgot to do something. I even have all of the cap booster BPOs researched already. I can make 'em in station. Saves hauling. That's the nice thing about Frerstorn, it has 200 manufacturing slots.
Luke: Theres a picture in this thread on page 2 that shows what is stocked. What isn't there isn't stocked. If you need further assistance I suggest you go to a faction warfare killboard site and start taking notes.
Bear: Auga would work as a hub. Anyone who would even think about going to shop in Auga knows that they cannot ever buy a ship in rens and bring it back through Amamake. The Amamake gate is always camped, and you can always expect to get your ship and your pod smashed should you try.
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Kolimara
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.11.19 13:24:00 -
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Im interested in joining your venture. I wrote you an EVE-Mail with specific questions.
I would appreciate it if you could answer in short time.
Thx Kolimara
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heheheh
Phoenix Club
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Posted - 2010.11.19 14:09:00 -
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Nice idea this, i might have to get on it also.
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Kolimara
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.11.21 01:28:00 -
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Edited by: Kolimara on 21/11/2010 01:29:32 We are still looking for a jf-pilot who is interested in building up our business. We got a fresh char in training for this purpose and he is ready in some days.
First we want to know how much the jf-pilot want to get for his service. We can also agree on some percentage on our profit (the better we are after you deliver the more profit you get!). We got a page that shows our profits so you can be sure we dont betray you (why should we? our business depends on you!).
If you are interested contact me ingame and we can sort things out.
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James Marlow
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Posted - 2010.11.21 06:33:00 -
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Hey all, I can't get in game for a little while. Quick question- I'm betting they're not even all filled, but what are the manufacturing queues like in Frerstorn?
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Steijn
Minmatar Quay Industries
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Posted - 2010.11.21 08:31:00 -
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47 from 50 empty.
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Pavel Gerla
Gallente 1st Czech Consulting Ltd
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Posted - 2010.11.23 08:57:00 -
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Please contact me ingame when you have time. Trained to manufacture with no market focus yet, a few days away from a blockade runner, some isk to invest, and willing to learn to work in lowsec.
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Bear Templar
Fibonacci Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2010.11.24 00:45:00 -
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It's great to see all the interest in developing trade hubs in low-sec. People will need to remember though that compared to high-sec, turnover is slower and will need to be patient in selling thier goods. Most of us seem to be focusing on systems that are pretty close to each other. I bet it's pretty hard to even begin a trade hub in say Aridia, that place is dead...relatively.
In fact some items maybe cheaper in low-sec as the orders are changed less frequently than high-sec and so don't always follow price trends. So players may eat away at savings until the original items are sold on. Anyway. it's a great concept, more of you guys should join. This is proper sci-fi market...stuff.
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Diesel Grip
Piston Works
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Posted - 2010.11.25 19:58:00 -
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Pavel evemail might be an easier way to catch each other. Hit me up with any questions you have.
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Diesel Grip
Piston Works
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Posted - 2010.12.06 19:55:00 -
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We have most of the basics stocked up now, still lots of room for more though.
At this point we are looking into how to improve awareness of this market.
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Steijn
Minmatar Quay Industries
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Posted - 2010.12.06 20:44:00 -
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Ive been selling things down there for a few weeks and its been kinda slow. They are selling, but it seems to be more a case of passing trade rather than lowsec dwellers knowing that someone is trying to create a hub there. If the word gets out, then i could see it picking up fairly easily.
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rain9441
Big Head Want Dolly
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Posted - 2010.12.07 16:54:00 -
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Someone bought over 300 T1 frigates from me and did not put them back up for sale. This is not the kind of awareness I was looking for. There is no profit in T1 frigates, they are there to be there, not to be bought out.
... What would anyone do with 300 T1 frigates out in Frerstorn anyway?
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Steijn
Minmatar Quay Industries
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Posted - 2010.12.07 17:23:00 -
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reprocess for mins
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Diesel Grip
Piston Works
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Posted - 2010.12.07 17:28:00 -
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+ 140 off me. Mine were over priced. We have been attacked! or something?
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rain9441
Big Head Want Dolly
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Posted - 2010.12.07 18:32:00 -
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Originally by: Steijn reprocess for mins
By now he surely has come to the realization that he has 400+ T1 frigates sitting in a station with a 30% refinery and likely no standings to the corp either. I wonder if he now knows that he has to move over 1,000,000 m3 in low sec for a lousy 2-3 mil profit.
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Diesel Grip
Piston Works
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Posted - 2010.12.07 21:17:00 -
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Dec 7, 1941 - Japan attacks Pearl Harbor. Dec 7, 2010 - Random guy on the internet attacks the Frerstorn low end market.
Coincidence? or is someone in Hek trying to provoke a war?
I will keep the condors coming mr random alt guy!
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Tasko Pal
Spallated Garniferous Schist
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Posted - 2010.12.07 21:33:00 -
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Could be that your order was in the way of a 300 mil rifter on the market. It's probably the same trick that leads to overpriced haulers in Jita.
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Steijn
Minmatar Quay Industries
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Posted - 2010.12.08 09:31:00 -
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250+ T1 armor plates now
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rain9441
Big Head Want Dolly
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Posted - 2010.12.08 14:24:00 -
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Over 60 of my sell orders were fulfilled by the same guy again -> Shadow Infiltrator. Member of the Royal Amarr Institute for 1 day. This time he has crept into T2 mods and ammo (Faction, T1, and T2). The only clue is a creepy bio:
Quote: In the end, only the Master profits.
You are all trapped in his web of deceit.
A seeming gain to lure the greedy,
towards which in the end is your downfall...
Even with truth laid bare you are none the wiser,
and you will not cower because of your greed.
You are all pigs to the slaughter,
a sacrifice for the manic madman.
Manic madman or attempt to snatch attention? Either way, I'll bite. Gets a bump for the cool story.
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Steijn
Minmatar Quay Industries
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Posted - 2010.12.08 14:34:00 -
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watch out for the 300 strong armor tanked frigate blob.
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Dresdor
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Posted - 2010.12.08 15:34:00 -
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Bought out all of my frigates and destroyers as well. I'm fairly sure this isn't necessarily aimed at destroying the frer hub, but is either a precursor to an amarr attack on the frer pocket (no ships and equipment means its harder for militia to reship) or some sort of market manipulation.
I say keep posting them at highish prices. You'll either make money or stop this silliness. If anything its making frer look better as a market hub as more stuff is moving.
BTW if anyone wants to stock the market with some tech 1 guns, it'd be appreciated for those of us with ****ty skills. Some tech 1 drones couldn't hurt either.
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