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Malcanis
Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.07.31 11:19:00 -
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Since CCP have confirmed that it is completely optional - ie: unnecessary - to spaceships EVE, should Incarna be treated as effectively a new game (or EVE 2 if you like) and be an optional, paid expansion?
As we have seen confirmed by CCP themselves, the costs of Incarna are very considerable. And it is also widely assumed that it will attract a very large number of new players. Would a E/$ 10-20 pricetag be reasonable? This woul provide a lot of revenue to support the future iterations of Incarna that will surely be required to make it a success.
Alternatively, those who have no interest in the ambulation game can decline to buy it, and rest assured that it is bringing in additional resources to pay for its own maintenance rather than at the expense of "spaceships EVE".
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
Terro Deagas
Double-Down
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Posted - 2010.07.31 11:23:00 -
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I'm pretty sure they realize that if Incarna was a paid expansion maybe only two people would buy it.
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Halcyon Ingenium
Caldari Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
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Posted - 2010.07.31 11:24:00 -
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Funny, I laughed.
Originally by: Dr Reinhold Eve is the endgame. Every other game you have played has just been preparation for this.
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Harris Dorn
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Posted - 2010.07.31 11:24:00 -
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At this point I think CCP would just pocket the money and invest it in WOD or Dust 2 over EVE primary or beefing up Incarna, my trust/faith in them is low.
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Erdiere
Minmatar Erasers inc. Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2010.07.31 11:26:00 -
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I recall CCP stating that incarna isn't completely optional anymore in their current vision for it.
Besides, making it an optional expansion with a price tag would be the ultimate fail from CCP so far.
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Anddeh McNab
Matari Department of Gun Control
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Posted - 2010.07.31 11:36:00 -
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All EVE expansions are free anyway or are you really that concerned about paying by the download?
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Captain Pompous
Is Right Even When He's Wrong So Deal With It
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Posted - 2010.07.31 12:04:00 -
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If you're going along the lines of asking people to pay for this, you may as well ask for EVE to have separate shards. ---
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Antihrist Pripravnik
4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.07.31 12:12:00 -
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Why charge for an expansion that half of the community doesn't even like or want? (not that I'm in that bandwagon)
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Kidain
Gallente Rule of Five
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Posted - 2010.07.31 12:19:00 -
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Edited by: Kidain on 31/07/2010 12:19:22
Originally by: Antihrist Pripravnik Why charge for an expansion that half of the community doesn't even like or want? (not that I'm in that bandwagon)
Good because most of the other ungrateful gits on this forum are.
Honestly I have never known a community moan so much about free content.
I don't hear the WOW community moaning that Blizzard are developing Starcraft 2 or Diablo III and "taking away resources." And that is probably the poorest community out there.
That's how good companies survive. You never ever put all your eggs in one basket.
I do agree that they should not charge for this. If you don't want to walk around in stations then, erm, don't?
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Eepzy Nimbles
Nimbles Covenant
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Posted - 2010.07.31 12:35:00 -
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Edited by: Eepzy Nimbles on 31/07/2010 12:34:51 Since they want to attract new players using Incarna, this would be a fairly bad idea. New players will have to be able to go and walk in station right away, rather than having to first buy an expansion.
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Stitcher
Caldari Lai Dai Infinity Systems
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Posted - 2010.07.31 12:35:00 -
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Originally by: Harris Dorn At this point I think CCP would just pocket the money and invest it in WOD or Dust 2 over EVE primary or beefing up Incarna, my trust/faith in them is low.
WHY?! Why exactly? Do you have trust issues? are you incapable of love?
It's got to be something along those lines because they sure as hell haven't done anything at all to warrant such hostility. -
- Verin "Stitcher" Hakatain.
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Lurtz
Caldari Gunrunners and Gamblers
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Posted - 2010.07.31 12:41:00 -
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We saw CCP once before try to charge extra for an optional addition to game. It was called eve voice, they tried getting an extra $2 a month from anyone that wanted to use it. I think they got $28 before they decided to give it to everyone free... Still no one uses it (not even those 14 that once paid for it)
Personally I couldn't be paid to use it.... or Spacebook, or Incarna for that matter.
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JC Anderson
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2010.07.31 12:48:00 -
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Originally by: Lurtz We saw CCP once before try to charge extra for an optional addition to game. It was called eve voice, they tried getting an extra $2 a month from anyone that wanted to use it. I think they got $28 before they decided to give it to everyone free... Still no one uses it (not even those 14 that once paid for it)
Personally I couldn't be paid to use it.... or Spacebook, or Incarna for that matter.
LOL I had completely forgotten about that... Good point.
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Catherine Griffin
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.07.31 12:48:00 -
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Originally by: Terro Deagas I'm pretty sure they realize that if Incarna was a paid expansion maybe only two people would buy it.
Make that 3
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BrundleMeth
Caldari Temporal Mechanics
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Posted - 2010.07.31 13:10:00 -
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I like free as much as the next guy. But the fact is, people tend to put less value on things they don't have to work for and pay for. The perception is that putting out cash is more likely to make you feel your purchase is of beter quality then it actually is...
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Ran Khanon
Amarr Swords Horses and Heavy Metal
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Posted - 2010.07.31 13:18:00 -
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Originally by: Anddeh McNab All EVE expansions are free anyway or are you really that concerned about paying by the download?
& similar responses:
Please speak for yourself.
I for one am really looking forward to Incarna as it has the potential to add a whole new layer of immersion to EVE, not to mention more alternative gameplay options, more realism and more variety in general.
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Abulurd Boniface
Gallente 0ccam's Razor Industries
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Posted - 2010.07.31 13:22:00 -
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Edited by: Abulurd Boniface on 31/07/2010 13:22:14 It makes no sense to make it a paying expansion.
Everybody plays the same version of EVE. If your version is not current, you're incompatible and you can't even log in. So, if this was a paying expansion and some people bought it and others refused to [and they would], now you have two different version running concurrent. From a support perspective CCP would just about tihs <== reading direction itself trying to sort through that mess. That is not going to happen. On top of all other issues large and small you're now working with two versions.
Don't count on it. It's not going to happen.
It would be hard charging money for it, especially in the current mood.
I am a happy customer, I would prefer them to fix the big problems, I'm not sweating the small stuff.
For good to survive it suffices for evil to acquire a deadly, incapacitating disease. |
Serpent Qor
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Posted - 2010.07.31 13:44:00 -
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To everyone being a little girl about the new Incarna expansion: Send me your stuff. Incarna is the best thing that will happen to EVE.
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Gladys Pank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.07.31 14:10:00 -
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I will happily send you all my incarna stuff once its released. Oh wait, it's got no meaningful content. Signature locked for inappropriate image. Zymurgist |
Ran Khanon
Amarr Swords Horses and Heavy Metal
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Posted - 2010.07.31 14:13:00 -
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Originally by: Gladys Pank I will happily send you all my incarna stuff once its released.
Quoting this for future reference
I agree with everything Barakkus posts. |
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Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2010.07.31 14:17:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis As we have seen confirmed by CCP themselves, the costs of Incarna are very considerable. And it is also widely assumed that it will attract a very large number of new players. Would a E/$ 10-20 pricetag be reasonable? This woul provide a lot of revenue to support the future iterations of Incarna that will surely be required to make it a success.
You serious?
I would have assumed you'd know that CCP doesn't have ISK (icelandic) problem, but rather don't have a large enough talent pool to pull from.
Paying for an expansion wouldn't change anything.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2010.07.31 14:24:00 -
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This Malcanis guy is proving to be an idiot.
I personally would get a kick out "Incarn" being a paid expansion. It would be one of the lease successful expansions in the history of MMOs.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Ix Forres
Caldari Righteous Chaps
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Posted - 2010.07.31 14:58:00 -
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Originally by: Kidain Honestly I have never known a community moan so much about free content.
How would you define free? Because I don't define a game which you pay monthly subscription costs to play as a free game.
Expansions are not free; they're paid for by your subscriptions. -- Ix Forres - 3rd Party Application Developer - EVE Metrics - accVIEW
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Novantco
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2010.07.31 15:05:00 -
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Originally by: Kidain Honestly I have never known a community moan so much about free content
You pay a monthly fee therefore it's not free dumbass.
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Ava Starfire
Minmatar Nordanverdr Modr
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Posted - 2010.07.31 15:06:00 -
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I wonder, how to make the *****ing stop.
I am looking forward to Incarna; I log in and just chat with friends, and it would be nice to be able to walk around in a station, seeing other people, than just spinning my ship.
Dont want to walk around in a station? Dont. I dont care for wormholes, so I dont go in them. Simple, really.
Does EVE need this? No. Is it gonna "OMGZORZKILLINGEVE!" No.
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Sader Rykane
Amarr Midnight Sentinels Midnight Space Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.07.31 15:06:00 -
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Originally by: Novantco
Originally by: Kidain Honestly I have never known a community moan so much about free content
You pay a monthly fee therefore it's not free dumbass.
Relative to other MMO subscription models, it is.
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Novantco
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2010.07.31 15:10:00 -
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Originally by: Sader Rykane Relative to other MMO subscription models, it is.
For Eve you pay more for the sub each month compared to other MMOs. My point still stands.
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Optical Illusion
Minmatar Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.07.31 15:11:00 -
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I donĘt think anyone in the eve community has an issue with CCP using revenue from eve to develop another product. Even the dumbest of trolls would be stupid to think that a company in such an aggressive market could survive solely with one product.
The reason people are unhappy is simple. And i will give an example to show you.
You go out and buy a new Ford. ItĘs nice, Alloys, Aircon, Sat Nav ECT. 2 years later Ford announce they are working on a new model, and its plainly obvious to the customer that the good money they pay for the precious vehicles, is part of the finance used to pay for research and development of that new car. The customers donĘt complain though, because, Ford continue to service your old vehicle, they continue to produce spare parts for you to replace your old ones, and even offer you nice promotional deals throughout your life as a Ford customer.
ItĘs literally that simple. I have no qualms with a company using profits made from my purchase to develop/research/promote other services, as long as they live up to their end of the deal with the purchase i made. CCP, unfortunately decided there customers of eve online would need to wait for urgently needed improvements, fixes and debugs that is actually destroying the fundamentals of the game. And funnily enough, unlike other companies, who could survive without one of their products, CCP couldnĘt. All of their plans blogged by devs relies on eve continuing to succeed, Incarna, is useless without Eve's player base, and so is Dust[insert randomly generated number here].
So, top and bottom of it, CCP, Remember where your priorities lie. We, the player base, Old and new, have and will continue to shape your game. You cannot survive without us. If crisis meetings arenĘt occurring right now then itĘs simply too late for you. I also think it would be in your best interests to directly approach your customers, whether it be a new devblog, Eve-chat speech, or video feed to reassure us you have woken up and smelt the coffee, otherwise your days are numbered, and that would be a shame.
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Velna Sevesto
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Posted - 2010.07.31 15:20:00 -
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In it's history CCP has not charged for any of the expansions. Remember Trinity? When they were revamping all the graphics and changing all the ships? That was a pretty big endeavor as well but did they charge for that? Nope.
This is why I love CCP and continue to be attracted to their games. I think that the idea of a paid expansion is very unlikely.
Eve is an expanding universe and story striving to be one of the most unique MMO's out there. We have a player run economy, player run ships, player run planets. Now we may be moving to player run stations.
It's one of those things where if you don't like it you don't have to do it. People are acting like this is the bane of EVE and it be the doom of everything. Simply put if you don't like it you can stay in your ship if you are camped, you don't have to do something to kill time. You don't have to get out and walk around while you are waiting for an fleet commander to step up while waiting to go on a roam through low sec. You see where I'm getting at?
You give a kid a candy cane and he says he wants a mint instead...
Oh and CCP isn't greedy like Blizzard so I don't think we'll be seeing a charge for an expansion.
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NereSky
Gallente Domination.
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Posted - 2010.07.31 15:20:00 -
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I think CCP have their collective heads down the toilet pan checking the logs that dont show anything
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