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CCP Adida
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.31 15:33:00 -
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Going on the title here "Should Incarna be Free?"
Traditionally all EVE expansions are free. It is listed as one of the features of EVE Online. I don't see why this would change.
Adida Community Rep CCP Hf, EVE Online
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.07.31 15:42:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Adida Going on the title here "Should Incarna be Free?"
Traditionally all EVE expansions are free. It is listed as one of the features of EVE Online. I don't see why this would change.
I think the point here is the suggestion that since Incarna is eating up an awful lot of eve development time and is an add-on designed to bring new players into the game primarily (new features rather than polishing/completing old ones) it could be argued that it should be paid for by these "new players" (who are interested in it) rather than existing players who are feeling that the core game is going neglected by under-allocation of development time and effort until the Incarna release.
Speaking personally if the proposal now was "would you pay 30 quid for incarna as a released(optional) product if it meant that we got 100 devs back on core eve development right now together with a commitment to finish the features of existing expansions properly to standards of excellence?" Then I would answer a definitive "yes".
Basically this topic is arguing that Incarna is not core eve online gameplay and its a bad choice by ccp to move developers that should be concentrating on the core game over to an optional add-on that your current player base are not wildly excited about.
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cBOLTSON
Reaction Theory Talos Coalition
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Posted - 2010.07.31 15:59:00 -
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Long story short, I like eve for the space ship pew. From the small skirmishes to the large battles. There is no way in hell I would pay for incarna. If its not internet spaceships then Im off to a diffrent game for that experience. Simple.
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NereSky
Gallente Domination.
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Posted - 2010.07.31 16:09:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: CCP Adida Going on the title here "Should Incarna be Free?"
Traditionally all EVE expansions are free. It is listed as one of the features of EVE Online. I don't see why this would change.
I think the point here is the suggestion that since Incarna is eating up an awful lot of eve development time and is an add-on designed to bring new players into the game primarily (new features rather than polishing/completing old ones) it could be argued that it should be paid for by these "new players" (who are interested in it) rather than existing players who are feeling that the core game is going neglected by under-allocation of development time and effort until the Incarna release.
Speaking personally if the proposal now was "would you pay 30 quid for incarna as a released(optional) product if it meant that we got 100 devs back on core eve development right now together with a commitment to finish the features of existing expansions properly to standards of excellence?" Then I would answer a definitive "yes".
Basically this topic is arguing that Incarna is not core eve online gameplay and its a bad choice by ccp to move developers that should be concentrating on the core game over to an optional add-on that your current player base are not wildly excited about.
Well said my thoughts exactly with a option for eye testis for CCP emplyee's, just so they can see those logs
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Anvalor
Gallente Germania Inc. D0GMA
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Posted - 2010.07.31 16:26:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
... rather than existing players who are feeling that the core game is going neglected by under-allocation of development time and effort until the Incarna release.
Speaking personally if the proposal now was "would you pay 30 quid for incarna as a released(optional) product if it meant that we got 100 devs back on core eve development right now together with a commitment to finish the features of existing expansions properly to standards of excellence?" Then I would answer a definitive "yes"...
No, i do not want to pay for an expansion in eve. My eve is running fine and i am happy with it. I am doing small gang pvp and some other stuff. If you guys who like to watch slideshows (fleetbattles) want to upgrade your slideshows then maybe ccp should make it optional. Do some donations...
Do not speak for every player in eve. Not everyone is unhappy with eve these days. You might not like it but that is my opinion.
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Xroxreariad Ramatarapap
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Posted - 2010.07.31 16:33:00 -
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Edited by: Xroxreariad Ramatarapap on 31/07/2010 16:33:41
Originally by: Jade Constantine Speaking personally
Yeah and you should continue to speak... personally. Really, what's up with you guys constantly trying to picture yourselves as, I dunno, some sort of official community spokesmen? When did I vote you to represent my views and opinions about this game?
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Zeredek
Gallente Vanguard Venture
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Posted - 2010.07.31 16:35:00 -
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Originally by: Novantco
Originally by: Sader Rykane Relative to other MMO subscription models, it is.
For Eve you pay more for the sub each month compared to other MMOs. My point still stands.
You must be doing something wrong, it's the same for me as any other MMO sub.
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Malcanis
Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.07.31 17:00:00 -
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Originally by: Serpent Qor To everyone being a little girl about the new Incarna expansion: Send me your stuff. Incarna is the best thing that will happen to EVE.
Does that mean you'd be willing to pay for it? How much?
What if we had to pay for it, but we could buy Incarna with PLEX?
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.07.31 17:00:00 -
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Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2 on 31/07/2010 17:00:45
Originally by: Jade Constantine I think the point here is the suggestion that since Incarna is eating up an awful lot of eve development time and is an add-on designed to bring new players into the game primarily (new features rather than polishing/completing old ones) it could be argued that it should be paid for by these "new players" (who are interested in it) rather than existing players who are feeling that the core game is going neglected by under-allocation of development time and effort until the Incarna release.
No, that could not be argued. You're under the impression that the monthtly payment you make to CCP is some kind of "investment" on your behalf when it really isn't. You pay CCP a subscription fee to play their game for that month. It is NOT an investment for you to decide what CCP does with that money. I hate Italian cars, but I sure as hell can't get upset if a dev decides to buy one with "my subscription money". You know why? Because once I give it to them it is THEIR money to do what they want. So this attitude, these tantrums, being thrown out by a very loud minority need to stop. This whole attitude of "CCP shouldnt be spending my money on this" crap needs to stop.
Eve is probably one of the most well-thought-out games out there in the market right now. But it has managed to attract so many snobs and whiners who think the game should run their way that if CCP doesn't listen to them they scream as loud as they can and make as much noise as is humanly possible in order to attract attention like a baby to his mommy.
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Novantco
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2010.07.31 17:03:00 -
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Originally by: Zeredek You must be doing something wrong, it's the same for me as any other MMO sub.
WoW ú8.99 per month
AoC ú8.99 per month
Aion ú8.99 per month
EvE ú12.40 per month roughly
So it is you who is doing something wrong not me.
Just an FYI I have no problem with the way EveÆs subscription system works, if I did I wouldn't pay for it. You pay a bit more each month and you don't have to worry about paying for any expacs, BUT IT IS NOT ****ING FREE.
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Malcanis
Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.07.31 17:10:00 -
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Edited by: Malcanis on 31/07/2010 17:09:44
Originally by: CCP Adida Going on the title here "Should Incarna be Free?"
Traditionally all EVE expansions are free. It is listed as one of the features of EVE Online. I don't see why this would change.
Other than sheer inertia, would you care to make a positive argument for Incarna being free?
Incidentally, lest anyone misread my post, assuming that Incarna is half as good as it ought to be with all those resources and time you're putting in to it, I would cheerfully pay a PLEX for it. I assume that CCP are confident enough in the quality of the biggest step change in EVE game play to make it worth at least that much...?
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
Vyktor Abyss
The Abyss Corporation
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Posted - 2010.07.31 17:32:00 -
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A positive argument is that there are plenty of loyal subscribers like myself that want Incarna and can't afford to pay additional money for it.
Part of the loyalty is because CCP dont charge you every 6/12 months more money for an expansion - it is included in the subscription price.
They have chosen the way their company works, so a hypothetical question based around a way they don't work is irrelevant tbh. And I'm not saying I'm happy with the game, I'm just saying its futile and naive to argue against Incarna being free if you think that would actually mean the core of Eve would then immediately get fixed.
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Aera Aiana
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.07.31 17:33:00 -
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Originally by: Kidain Edited by: Kidain on 31/07/2010 12:19:22
Originally by: Antihrist Pripravnik Why charge for an expansion that half of the community doesn't even like or want? (not that I'm in that bandwagon)
Good because most of the other ungrateful gits on this forum are.
Honestly I have never known a community moan so much about free content.
Most only come here to whine. Whine about carebears, whine about pirates, whine about lag or whine about stuff that they don't have the slightest idea about, say Incarna. Or wait, actually "whine about stuff they don't have the slightest idea about" fits everything else, too.
Fact is: People cannot know whether or not they'll like Incarna. They just want their personal little itch be scratched and everything else that's going on must be wrong and unnecessary. I whish somebody would turn up the voltage on their light bulbs because it's desperately required. I want CCP to fix stuff too, finish the stuff they start and not always go for the shoddiest implementation possible, just because it saves them 10 minutes. But that doesn't mean I want game-designers, artists or web-developers working on ... "Lag". -
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Aessoroz
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Posted - 2010.07.31 17:41:00 -
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How about they instead give us the option to completely disable the Incarna portion of the engine so it doesn't waste our computer resources when we dock up our ship and don't care for walking in the station...
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Alexandra Delarge
The Korova
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Posted - 2010.07.31 17:59:00 -
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Originally by: Lurtz We saw CCP once before try to charge extra for an optional addition to game. It was called eve voice, they tried getting an extra $2 a month from anyone that wanted to use it. I think they got $28 before they decided to give it to everyone free.
Just after we got 'free' voice CCP increased the price of monthly subs to make Eve the most expensive MMO.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.07.31 18:20:00 -
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I would buy it because I like what CCP does and want to reward that behavior.
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Mashie Saldana
BFG Tech
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Posted - 2010.07.31 18:44:00 -
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I'm looking forward for Incarna to be released fairly soonÖ, can't wait to see how my female chars will look after some plastic surgery.
And for people complaining about cost, you could probbaly run 6-7 accounts for the equivalent cost of a gym membership.
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Obsidian Hawk
RONA Legion
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Posted - 2010.07.31 18:49:00 -
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Why is this a discussion?
Incarna is free.
If you want to play with incarna you need an internet spaceships account.
which is 15 bucks a month, its up to you if you want to play with incarna or not. It really means more people to grief.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.07.31 18:49:00 -
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Originally by: Xroxreariad Ramatarapap Edited by: Xroxreariad Ramatarapap on 31/07/2010 16:33:41
Originally by: Jade Constantine Speaking personally
Yeah and you should continue to speak... personally. Really, what's up with you guys constantly trying to picture yourselves as, I dunno, some sort of official community spokesmen? When did I vote you to represent my views and opinions about this game?
I'm not sure what part of "speaking personally" you seem to have misunderstood.
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Ascendic
Brotherhood of Suicidal Priests R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.07.31 19:08:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis Since CCP have confirmed that it is completely optional - ie: unnecessary - to spaceships EVE, should Incarna be treated as effectively a new game (or EVE 2 if you like) and be an optional, paid expansion?
As we have seen confirmed by CCP themselves, the costs of Incarna are very considerable. And it is also widely assumed that it will attract a very large number of new players. Would a E/$ 10-20 pricetag be reasonable? This woul provide a lot of revenue to support the future iterations of Incarna that will surely be required to make it a success.
Alternatively, those who have no interest in the ambulation game can decline to buy it, and rest assured that it is bringing in additional resources to pay for its own maintenance rather than at the expense of "spaceships EVE".
Lol you don't get it. Whether or not you PAY for the expansion you are still paying monthly for them to dump half their resources into developing it you idiot.
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Morpheus Mishima
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.07.31 19:24:00 -
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Please stop whining about Incarna. It has not been released yet and there is very little information available on how it will impact the players (if at all).
Just sit back, play the game as you normally would. I have confidence in that CCP will put out something thats going to be a really nice and developing feature to this already mind-blowingly great game.
If you have any doubts, why are you even playing the game still? CCP has a great track record when it comes to giving the community what they want. Much more than any other MMO-developer out there to date.
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Psychotic Maniac
Caldari Head Shrinkers
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Posted - 2010.07.31 19:32:00 -
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Edited by: Psychotic Maniac on 31/07/2010 19:33:29
Pay for incarna? LOL, I want the money back for every ship I lost due to server errors/lag, etc...
Yes, I said money. If I use money to buy plex for isk. I lost money. Your logs suck. That do ever show anything. All there are a stupid customer support that doesn't like to do their jobs. Only copy/paste the same crap time after time.
Grow a pair and admit your errors and compensate your customers like you're suppose to.
Believe me it will go a long way in keeping paid accts. around, than shuting the door on them every time they tell you somethings not right and would like compensation for the problem.
FFS, train your employees to have the customer is always right attitude. #1 rule in keeping people happy and more importantly, keeping the around. --
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you." -John Wooden |
Pesky LaRue
Minmatar The Magnificent Bastards
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Posted - 2010.07.31 19:37:00 -
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Edited by: Pesky LaRue on 31/07/2010 19:39:05 Edited by: Pesky LaRue on 31/07/2010 19:38:16
Originally by: Novantco
Quote: WoW ú8.99 per month
WoW $14.99 per month
Quote: AoC ú8.99 per month
AoC $14.99 per month
Quote: Aion ú8.99 per month
Aion $14.99 per month
Quote: EvE ú12.40 per month roughly
EvE $14.99 per month
Originally by: Novantco So it is you who is doing something wrong not me.
No, it's just a representation of where you live.
EvE's costing model is the same as any other successful, thriving game. I realize your point is valid from your perspective, but it's not universally true. EvE is the same price - for many of us - as any other game. .
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SupaKudoRio
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Posted - 2010.07.31 19:45:00 -
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No! Do NOT give CCP management any more 'bright ideas'! I don't want to start getting charged for expansions!
Can a GM delete the topic please? Quick, before someone in marketing spots it!
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Malcanis
Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.07.31 19:47:00 -
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Originally by: Xroxreariad Ramatarapap Edited by: Xroxreariad Ramatarapap on 31/07/2010 16:33:41
Originally by: Jade Constantine Speaking personally
Yeah and you should continue to speak... personally. Really, what's up with you guys constantly trying to picture yourselves as, I dunno, some sort of official community spokesmen? When did I vote you to represent my views and opinions about this game?
o/ CPR
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
Ranger 1
Amarr Dynaverse Corporation Sodalitas XX
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Posted - 2010.07.31 19:47:00 -
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Quote: FFS, train your employees to have the customer is always right attitude.
Except, of course, unless you work in the fast food industry this is rarely true.
Giving the most notoriously skillful scamming community known to the gaming industry free reign to ask for reimbursements is possibly the worst idea I have ever heard.
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Malcanis
Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.07.31 19:53:00 -
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Originally by: Ascendic
Originally by: Malcanis Since CCP have confirmed that it is completely optional - ie: unnecessary - to spaceships EVE, should Incarna be treated as effectively a new game (or EVE 2 if you like) and be an optional, paid expansion?
As we have seen confirmed by CCP themselves, the costs of Incarna are very considerable. And it is also widely assumed that it will attract a very large number of new players. Would a E/$ 10-20 pricetag be reasonable? This woul provide a lot of revenue to support the future iterations of Incarna that will surely be required to make it a success.
Alternatively, those who have no interest in the ambulation game can decline to buy it, and rest assured that it is bringing in additional resources to pay for its own maintenance rather than at the expense of "spaceships EVE".
Lol you don't get it. Whether or not you PAY for the expansion you are still paying monthly for them to dump half their resources into developing it you idiot.
Many thanks for your insightful contribution. You have expanded my knowledge.
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.07.31 19:58:00 -
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Originally by: Ranger 1 Giving the most notoriously skillful scamming community known to the gaming industry free reign to ask for reimbursements is possibly the worst idea I have ever heard.
-- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter Blog
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Stitcher
Caldari Lai Dai Infinity Systems
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Posted - 2010.07.31 20:15:00 -
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Edited by: Stitcher on 31/07/2010 20:15:57 Incarna will be part of EVE. All of EVE is included in the subscription cost.
Just because it'll be optional changes nothing. Wormholes, exploration, missions, PvP, mining, trading, nullsec, highsec, piracy, PI.... pretty much everything in the game is "optional" anyway. I'm sure a lot of effort went into designing and creating Gallente ships for instance, but they're still optional - I sure as hell don't fly them.
I don't understand this whole "Incarna is taking money and developers out of EVE". it's PART of EVE - it will, once complete, be a feature of the game. Therefore, all of the resources being used to develop Incarna are ipso facto being used to develop EVE Online. -
- Verin "Stitcher" Hakatain.
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Ori Blake
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Posted - 2010.07.31 21:03:00 -
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Only if the next 0.0 expansion is paid too. I don't do 0.0, I don't think it's core gameplay of EvE. Let all the 0.0 alliance people pay for their own expansions.
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