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Nemphtis
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Posted - 2010.08.01 12:02:00 -
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Edited by: Nemphtis on 01/08/2010 12:08:55 Greetings,
I'm a new and ridiculously clueless EVE player, looking to be a pirate because I'm lame like that. Asking about advice to be a pirate in the corp and help chats in-game got me a lot of hate, so perhaps this forum might be a better way to get the answers I seek.
Anyway here's the deal; I work seven days a week and don't want to spend the little free time I have left at night playing nothing but EVE. I'm interested in knowing if it's possible to be 'successful' as a pirate without logging on regularly, but just playing for an hour or two every other day.
I think I'll need to do some solo pirating to start with and get killed a bunch of times to understand which battles I can and cannot win as a pirate. Someone suggested I join a pirate corp but warned me that some will just kill me or trick me, which sounds exciting but can't say I want to be the guy who gets tricked, y'know?
I've read the guide to piracy on Evelopedia but looking for some tips to give me that initial direction as to what I should be aiming to do as a beginner and what I should avoid that newbies such as myself commonly screw up with? Oh and before I forget, I don't want to play any alts due to time constraints, I just have this one account and want to stick with it, so I'll probably want to do my pirating in 0.0 space to avoid becoming an outcast or whatever they call it. Anyway, please advise me as best you can.
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Might have been wiser to make this topic in the New Citizens forum, but there are probably more pirates lurking here so perhaps I'll get some more in-depth advice.
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Ran Khanon
Amarr Swords Horses and Heavy Metal
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Posted - 2010.08.01 12:32:00 -
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Beginner's guide to piracy. Good luck with your career choice.
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Gladys Pank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.08.01 12:38:00 -
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First and foremost all you need to pirate is an income source for ships and modules.
Beyond that it's really a matter of gaining knowledge, skills and experience. This will take longer given that you have little time to log in.
Read guides, learn to fit ships, learn to scan. Watch some videos (especially solo ones). Mainly get out there and practice.
Now for some detail:
Since you don't have much time to play you will need to find a way to passively pay for your piracy. Trading, PI, pos chains, R&D agents etc etc.
Joining a pirate corp is definitely a bonus and unless you join up with some high-sec griefing morons it's unlikely they will backstab a newcomer. Eve IS a harsh place and you can get screwed over but honestly, the 'pirate community' is far less narcissistic than the combat fearing, ISK grabbing carebears that probably warned you about this in the first place.
It's probably enough for you just to be a pvper and forget the pirate tag. 0.0 is definitely fun for roaming, low sec can be too. When I pvp, I don't go out pirating, I just go out looking for fights.
0.0 will save you from exile to high sec, as you realise. Sad truth to eve however is that many people rely on an alt. Outlaws may use one to transport ships and items to low sec for them although you can use insta undock bookmarks and its possible to get ships out yourself, with some risk involved. Many 0.0 and low sec residents also use an alt for running level 4 missions in high sec since its a risk free way to make money; especially during wars. It's not the optimal way to make isk but its reliable and anyone can do it. Scout alts are also common (to check systems are not camped before you move an expensive, slow ship in).
Last word:
As long as you can afford to fit out a frig (recommend Rifter or Incursus) with modules and insure your ship you are good to go pvp. Most advice may sound demoralising, especially insisting you have an alt. The minimum you need to make isk is a spare ship to go ratting with.
Living a low sec life can be rewarding and is definitely better than following the high sec sheep. Considering you start with a noob ship and 5000 isk, you can always climb back up if you lose everything.
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Spruillo
Gallente Spruillo Corp
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Posted - 2010.08.01 14:51:00 -
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Edited by: Spruillo on 01/08/2010 14:52:57
Passing up the trollbait and highlighting this
Originally by: Gladys Pank
It's probably enough for you just to be a pvper and forget the pirate tag. 0.0 is definitely fun for roaming, low sec can be too. When I pvp, I don't go out pirating, I just go out looking for fights.
And your free time? ByeBye. You cannot resist EVE. It will sap your will to resist. Muha. Muwaha. MUWAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA
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Nemphtis
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Posted - 2010.08.01 14:52:00 -
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Originally by: Gladys Pank First and foremost all you need to pirate is an income source for ships and modules.
Beyond that it's really a matter of gaining knowledge, skills and experience. This will take longer given that you have little time to log in.
Read guides, learn to fit ships, learn to scan. Watch some videos (especially solo ones). Mainly get out there and practice.
Now for some detail:
Since you don't have much time to play you will need to find a way to passively pay for your piracy. Trading, PI, pos chains, R&D agents etc etc.
Joining a pirate corp is definitely a bonus and unless you join up with some high-sec griefing morons it's unlikely they will backstab a newcomer. Eve IS a harsh place and you can get screwed over but honestly, the 'pirate community' is far less narcissistic than the combat fearing, ISK grabbing carebears that probably warned you about this in the first place.
It's probably enough for you just to be a pvper and forget the pirate tag. 0.0 is definitely fun for roaming, low sec can be too. When I pvp, I don't go out pirating, I just go out looking for fights.
0.0 will save you from exile to high sec, as you realise. Sad truth to eve however is that many people rely on an alt. Outlaws may use one to transport ships and items to low sec for them although you can use insta undock bookmarks and its possible to get ships out yourself, with some risk involved. Many 0.0 and low sec residents also use an alt for running level 4 missions in high sec since its a risk free way to make money; especially during wars. It's not the optimal way to make isk but its reliable and anyone can do it. Scout alts are also common (to check systems are not camped before you move an expensive, slow ship in).
Last word:
As long as you can afford to fit out a frig (recommend Rifter or Incursus) with modules and insure your ship you are good to go pvp. Most advice may sound demoralising, especially insisting you have an alt. The minimum you need to make isk is a spare ship to go ratting with.
Living a low sec life can be rewarding and is definitely better than following the high sec sheep. Considering you start with a noob ship and 5000 isk, you can always climb back up if you lose everything.
Thanks for the advice Gladys, I have a few questions regarding some of your tips.
I'm trying to learn how to fit ships but I see a lot of people mentioning how one race's ship is better at a certain job than another race. Personally, I find most ships in this game to be ugly, mainly because they aren't symmetrical and yes I'm anal about these things. Looks matter to me in MMOs for some reason, and because of this I like sticking with Amarrian ships as they look good to me overall. Will this be a problem for me in the future? Can I be a pirate whilst sticking to Amarrian vessels or does this mean I will be limited to beam weapons for combat?
Pirate Corps are something I would like to take part in, it's an MMO after all and I'd like to make some friends in a corp to enhance my overall experience in the game world. Still, would a corp even want someone who is only semi-active and just wants to blow **** up? I always play the Rogue/Thief/Assassin in other MMOs because I like the fact they're fragile, but hit very hard if they ambush you. What kind of role can I fill in EVE with that play style in mind? Can I ambush someone, disable their ship in some way so that they're trapped, and then do with them whatever I please? Also, can you recommend any pirate corps that are recruiting and wouldn't mind teaching a newbie the ropes?
As for it being enough for me to just PvP and forget pirating, it's true I just want to mostly blow **** up, but as a Rogue in WoW my favourite moments were stalking people whilst invisible and ganking them during their quest. That's why pirating seemed like good old, ******* fun. Find a lone player minding his own business and mess up his day.
Oh snap, there's a character limit.
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Gladys Pank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.08.01 14:58:00 -
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Owen Drakkar
Terra Nostra
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Posted - 2010.08.01 15:13:00 -
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I too don't have a lot of free time in EVE and I play exactly like you are looking to, drop me a mail ingame or convo me when you see I am on (not at the moment) and we can talk about it. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Come shoot at me, I live in Heimatar. Please? |
Dian'h Might
Minmatar Cash and Cargo Liberators Incorporated
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Posted - 2010.08.01 15:34:00 -
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Originally by: Nemphtis Can I be a pirate whilst sticking to Amarrian vessels or does this mean I will be limited to beam weapons for combat?
Last I checked, you can pirate with beam weapons just as well as anything else.
Originally by: Nemphtis I always play the Rogue/Thief/Assassin in other MMOs because I like the fact they're fragile, but hit very hard if they ambush you. What kind of role can I fill in EVE with that play style in mind?
I highly recommend not falling into the trap of comparing eve roles with traditional fantasy mmo roles. The analogies are loose at best, and it'll mostly result in frustration when things don't work anywhere close to how you expected them to. That said, you may enjoy flying an arbitrator. - - - Dian'h Might - C&Ps resident "internet kleptomaniac" |
Andrea Griffin
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Posted - 2010.08.01 15:43:00 -
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As usual, Lady Spank wrote up some really good advice. I just wanted to add a few things.
You can be a successful pirate as a casual player. The only thing that really stands in your way is, of course, lack of play time. This translates to taking longer to get experience and less time grinding cash.
You will lose ships. Piracy is rarely a cash positive experience.
If you are really strapped for cash, you can always buy some GTCs, convert them to PLEX, and sell them. One PLEX can net you about 300m isk. That's about 100 rifters, with some T2 equipment and rigs. If you don't have the time to grind the cash it is something to consider.
If you plan to fly cheap most of your career, then you can instead rat in the belts while you scout for targets. You can find 500k isk battleships in low sec belts that will fall easily to a frigate. A few of these and you have enough for a new ship.
There are several pirate organizations that are willing to take on newbies. Look up: Black Rabbit Academy, The Tuskers, Blood Money Boot Camp, Python Cartel. I've heard mostly good things about all those groups.
I have never heard of one of them screwing a new member for the lolz. It just doesn't happen. In my personal experience I have found the pirate community to be far more supportive and friendly than any of the carebears. Fix Rockets in '08 '09 2010 2011 2012?! |
Nemphtis
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Posted - 2010.08.01 17:03:00 -
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@Dian'h I just wanted you give you guys an example of what kind of play style I'm looking for in EVE. I don't exactly want to be a rogue in space, but I'm the type that favours small but very fast vessels over those massive battleships. Not to say I don't want to take people down, I just want to do it in something that's small but packs good firepower none the less. Interceptors seem interesting since they are apparently fast, but no idea if I can afford such ships in my career and make good use of them.
@Andrea Thanks for taking the time to help me out. I agree that lack of play time will definitely effect my cash grinding, the PLEX idea sounds interesting but I have no idea what PLEX are, I'll have to look into that some time. It's possible that my lack of play time will not affect my skill advancement though. I have no issues signing in for a few minutes to assign new skills into my training queue a every day. I have EVE installed on my MacBook Pro so I can do this from work. I just can't commit to anything serious at work like doing an actual mission, but small things like signing in to check mail and skills should be fine.
At the moment, I do indeed plan to fly cheap until I'm confident with my knowledge of what beats what in this game. This is most likely something I'll learn through trial and error, so I expect to run into stupidly unfair battles without knowledge and get my ass destroyed. I do want to get better ships as I gain more wealth though, but I'll stick to cheap frigates for now.
I'll try and get in contact with people from each of those organisations today, see if they can at the very least give me some advice and maybe take me under their wing. I have a dual monitor setup at home, plus my MacBook Pro, so if I ever got into EVE more and felt confident about my knowledge in the game, I wanted to try pirating with two ships on two separate clients. It's a thought!
I don't know about fleets yet, is that like a big group of players? I've yet to decide on what kind of role I would like to play in group environments, is there a page on EVElopedia or something where it lists the common roles players take in fleet combat? Would greatly appreciate a link to such an article.
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Lysander Kaldenn
Dead Reckoning.
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Posted - 2010.08.01 18:16:00 -
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You'll want to start training for a pilgrim. IMO it's the best cloaky solo gank ship short of certain expensive t3 fits.
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Thorian Baalnorn
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Posted - 2010.08.01 19:01:00 -
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TLDR version: Dying a lot in a low sp toon is an expensive and not very effective way to learn to pvp. You need about a years of proper combat SP to be an effective pvper.
Originally by: Nemphtis Edited by: Nemphtis on 01/08/2010 12:08:55 Anyway here's the deal; I work seven days a week and don't want to spend the little free time I have left at night playing nothing but EVE. I'm interested in knowing if it's possible to be 'successful' as a pirate without logging on regularly, but just playing for an hour or two every other day.
You need an income source. This either has to be obtained by an effort in game( think job) or an effort out of game( think job).You can buy GTCs and sell them on the market as plexes in game. $35 will net you about 500-700 mil depending on the market.
Quote: I think I'll need to do some solo pirating to start with and get killed a bunch of times to understand which battles I can and cannot win as a pirate. Someone suggested I join a pirate corp but warned me that some will just kill me or trick me, which sounds exciting but can't say I want to be the guy who gets tricked, y'know?
Dying alot is not a good way to learn the game. Its an expensive way to learn to pvp.
1) The first think you want to do is training your learning skills. the primaries should be level 4( 1 primary for each attribute) and the secondary( which the primary is need to train) should be at 3 min. 2) Then you pick which race you want start out flying. Amarr and minnie are the best for solo work. And start training up your skills and support skills for that race. 3) Train up and build iskies. Dont worry about pvp. Your going to spend most of your time dying trying to pvp in the first year. a 2 year old will easily smoke a noob in this game in nearly any combat ship. 4) SUPPORT SKILLS= these are important. I see noobs all the time hurry up and train for a ship they want to fly train very little support skills go out and get it popped almost immediately and cant figure out why. Support skills include weapons, navigation, mechanic, engineering, electronics, etc. You need to have the support skills relevant to the ship and the fit you are using at level 4-5 to use that setup effectively. 5) EFT is you friend. Best thing to do here is find a ship you want to fly. Find a build that fits what you want to do and what type of gang you want to be in( solo, small gang, large gang, fleet and tackle, dps support, ewar support, logistics, etc. Fit that ship in EFt using the all level 5s character. Fit with t2 mods. tweak it. make sure everything fits and it does what you want. Then switch to your toon. EFT will tell you what is needed to use the ship and mods that you have fitted( little red square by your name). 6) EVE MON- This will help you with training and how long it will take to get in the ship/setup you want. 7)Learn the game mechanics while you are waiting to skill up to fly the ships. It would be most helpful if you were in a 0.0 alliance or low sec pirate corp. Corps that do high sec wardecs only are not really a good option. This is more like the kiddie pool for pvp. You may learn some basics but that is about it. Low sec pvp corps are very good for learning solo and small gang pvp. Solo and small gang is the hardest pvp as you have to fit well for both dps and tank plus ewar tackle and logistics all in a few ships. 0.0 pvp is a mix of fleet( blob) pvp, large and small gang pvp. It is the most rounded for all types of pvp.
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Gladys Pank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.08.01 19:06:00 -
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Originally by: Thorian Baalnorn TLDR version: Dying a lot in a low sp toon is an expensive and not very effective way to learn to pvp. You need about a years of proper combat SP to be an effective pvper.
Dying alot is not a good way to learn the game. Its an expensive way to learn to pvp.
One years skillpoints? You sir, are an idiot. This is a load of baloney that no one should listen to.
Soloing and engaging in cheap frigs is absolutely the way to learn. Yes you will lose to begin with but you need the combat experience and you will take away a lesson from every single engagement.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.08.01 22:56:00 -
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Edited by: Herzog Wolfhammer on 01/08/2010 23:01:35 Hate to add this, because some consider this bad ju ju, but I should recommend the OP spend at least a month in Red Versus Blue and get some PVP on, even if RvB is not "real" PVP.
Also, to the OP, if you are going to live in the less secure places, you will find that knowing how to hack could net you some extra ISK. These days I am seeing Radar sites being hit with T3 ships in high sec, so there are a lot of low population areas in low and 0.0 with untouched radar sites. If you are sniffing around for targets but happen upon a radar site, knowing how to hack the cans can net you from 7-20 million (or more even) in just a few minutes of work. That's a lot of Rifters.
Also to note:
Quote: 4) SUPPORT SKILLS= these are important. I see noobs all the time hurry up and train for a ship they want to fly train very little support skills go out and get it popped almost immediately and cant figure out why. Support skills include weapons, navigation, mechanic, engineering, electronics, etc. You need to have the support skills relevant to the ship and the fit you are using at level 4-5 to use that setup effectively.
That's a biggie. I have seen a lot of large ships piloted by those who think bigger is always better. It's the first mistake most Eve players make. The progression from noob ship to Titan is not a natural one, or a progress to end game that is to occur without question. You can choose your ship size, and stay there, and get better and better at time goes by. There have, in this forum, been reports even of T3 ships loaded up with T1 modules getting ganked, because someone was more into the hull and not the ability to fly it.
Progression from one ship to the other should be through outgrowing it, and the support modules are important. "DPS as Tank" does not work as well in Eve is it does in WOW, especially in Eve with damage types there is always a pathway to negate the tank. Even speed tank rapidly fails to webbing or deadspace effects.
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Thorian Baalnorn
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Posted - 2010.08.01 23:31:00 -
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Originally by: Gladys Pank
Originally by: Thorian Baalnorn TLDR version: Dying a lot in a low sp toon is an expensive and not very effective way to learn to pvp. You need about a years of proper combat SP to be an effective pvper.
Dying alot is not a good way to learn the game. Its an expensive way to learn to pvp.
One years skillpoints? You sir, are an idiot. This is a load of baloney that no one should listen to.
Soloing and engaging in cheap frigs is absolutely the way to learn. Yes you will lose to begin with but you need the combat experience and you will take away a lesson from every single engagement.
You need 1 years combat SP in order to effectively pvp. My friend of 10 something years got me to join eve a couple years ago. He is a pirate, that is all he does. He told me give it about a year with training combat skills and the you can really start to pvp. Otherwise your just going to die.
I didnt listen. I joined another corp( his require 30 mil sp) and went out trying to pvp at 6 months old. I lost ships left and right. I been playing MMOs for 15 years. PvP is not something that is new to me. He gave me the "i told you so" speech. I waited another 3 months or so until i was about 10-11 months old. I started pvping then with just a wingman. My k/l ratio went from 1:5 to over 5:1 pvp instantly became more fun. I used better ships, better fits and had alot more knowledge of game mechanics.
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Throwing ships at other ships and saying oops that didnt work is the dumbest and least effective way to pvp. Obviously you dont understand what is involved in learning to pvp. If you cant get through a level 4 mission without dying you shouldnt be out trying to pvp. You need to get skilled up so you are no longer at a disadvantage. get in proper pvp ships if you want to do proper pvp. you need to learn the ships in eve and what they are capable of. You need to learn the modules and what they do. These are game basics you must understand before you PVP. it is the same in all games. If you dont know what cap stable is or how to counter cap being drained from you ship by mods , if you dont know what sig rad is or the effect it has. Tracking and falloff. If you dont understand how these things work you are going into every fight with severe disadvantage. You need to learn game mechanics to pvp. You need to learn ship types and common ship fits. You need to know the bloody difference between ewar and tackle. my dps is bigger than your dps is not how you pvp. PVP requires intelligent and informed decision making and even then your going to get ganked on occassion.
Pvp starts with learning the game, skilling up for decent ships and being able to fit those decently. While you are doing this you can go out and pvp but it should be in a gang as long range DPS support. Really you are there to learn how your mates pvp. that is why i suggested a low sec pirate gang or a 0.0 alliance both will teach you the ins and outs of pvp.
Going out and crashing ships into other ships is about like being in the military and shooting everything that moves until whatever is shooting at you stops shooting and calling it a success. PVP requires finesse popping your ships left and right is like hitting a branch on the stupid tree every time one gets popped.
the sad part is you would have the OP throw ships at people until he learned. Whereas taking 6 months to learn the game and getting some skills up then going and flying as dps support in a small gang will gain him more knowledge with less isk than just tossing ships at people and saying opps that didnt work.
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Gladys Pank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.08.01 23:43:00 -
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Originally by: Thorian Baalnorn You need 1 years combat SP in order to effectively pvp.
Absolute nonsense.
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trenny jr
Caldari Order of Celestial Knights Galactic System Lords Alliance
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Posted - 2010.08.01 23:45:00 -
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Edited by: trenny jr on 01/08/2010 23:45:15
Originally by: Thorian Baalnorn I need 1 years combat SP in order to effectively pvp.
fixed yo
Originally by: Alticius Espionicus Ankhesentapemkah: the Sarah Palin of EVE.
[00:18:49] Lady Spank > /emote squiggles
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Gladys Pank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.08.01 23:59:00 -
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Originally by: Thorian Baalnorn I waited another 3 months or so until i was about 10-11 months old. I started pvping then with just a wingman. My k/l ratio went from 1:5 to over 5:1 pvp instantly became more fun. I used better ships, better fits and had alot more knowledge of game mechanics.
you want to seriously pvp in a t1 frig or cruiser you need to be in small gang and filling a role. Even then expect to die often. Otherwise to do serious pvp you need to fly a BC or bigger or it needs to be a t2.
Thorian Baalnorn Lifetime kills74Lifetime losses43
Cool story bro. Nice trolling attempt.
You can pvp perfectly fine solo if a rifter. Just because it doesn't suit your 0.0 blob warfare style doesnt mean you cant do it. Also try learning to solo sometime, you fail because you rely on others to do half the work for you.
This guy just wants to get out and try something cheap and fun and work up. fit an mwd and a point and you are instantly valuable to a gang... up your basic skills to II or III and you are more than good to consider having a proper go solo. At low skillpoints in cheap ships you have nothing to lose and much to learn. Better to do this in 900k frigs than full tech II. It's far more about knowing what to engage, how and when to GTFO if its going wrong than it is about having a years worth of skillpoints.
A years worth of pvp skills is way better than sitting scratching your arse playing skillpoints online.
Too bad you suck balls without the gang behind you but good job not everyone thinks this way.
I know I'm biting on your atrocious trolling but I want the OP to be informed and not to be put off by mofo's like you.
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Verone
Gallente Veto Corp
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Posted - 2010.08.02 00:24:00 -
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Quote: Can I get away with playing 'casually'?
Yes.
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Razzor Death
Antares Shipyards Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.08.02 00:30:00 -
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Originally by: Thorian Baalnorn Edited by: Thorian Baalnorn on 01/08/2010 23:40:08
Originally by: Gladys Pank Junk
You need 1 years combat SP in order to effectively pvp. My friend of 10 something years got me to join eve a couple years ago. He is a pirate, that is all he does. He told me give it about a year with training combat skills and the you can really start to pvp. Otherwise your just going to die.
I didnt listen. I joined another corp( his require 30 mil sp) and went out trying to pvp at 6 months old. I lost ships left and right. I been playing MMOs for 15 years. PvP is not something that is new to me. He gave me the "i told you so" speech. I waited another 3 months or so until i was about 10-11 months old. I started pvping then with just a wingman. My k/l ratio went from 1:5 to over 5:1 pvp instantly became more fun. I used better ships, better fits and had alot more knowledge of game mechanics.
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Throwing ships at other ships and saying oops that didnt work is the dumbest and least effective way to pvp. Obviously you dont understand what is involved in learning to pvp. If you cant get through a level 4 mission without dying you shouldnt be out trying to pvp. You need to get skilled up so you are no longer at a disadvantage. get in proper pvp ships if you want to do proper pvp. you need to learn the ships in eve and what they are capable of. You need to learn the modules and what they do. These are game basics you must understand before you PVP. it is the same in all games. If you dont know what cap stable is or how to counter cap being drained from you ship by mods , if you dont know what sig rad is or the effect it has. Tracking and falloff. If you dont understand how these things work you are going into every fight with severe disadvantage. You need to learn game mechanics to pvp. You need to learn ship types and common ship fits. You need to know the bloody difference between ewar and tackle. my dps is bigger than your dps is not how you pvp. PVP requires intelligent and informed decision making and even then your going to get ganked on occassion.
Pvp starts with learning the game, skilling up for decent ships and being able to fit those decently. While you are doing this you can go out and pvp but it should be in a gang as long range DPS support. Really you are there to learn how your mates pvp. that is why i suggested a low sec pirate gang or a 0.0 alliance both will teach you the ins and outs of pvp.
Going out and crashing ships into other ships is about like being in the military and shooting everything that moves until whatever is shooting at you stops shooting and calling it a success. PVP requires finesse popping your ships left and right is like hitting a branch on the stupid tree every time one gets popped.
the sad part is you would have the OP throw ships at people until he learned. Whereas taking 6 months to learn the game and getting some skills up then going and flying as dps support in a small gang will gain him more knowledge with less isk than just tossing ships at people and saying opps that didnt work.
On another note: Going out and soloing in t1 frigs is just dumb. You are pretty much in a bottom of the barrel ship with noob skills at that and even 12 month old miners will be able to kill you with drones from their barge. you want to seriously pvp in a t1 frig or cruiser you need to be in small gang and filling a role. Even then expect to die often. Otherwise to do serious pvp you need to fly a BC or bigger or it needs to be a t2.
for someone who talks so much **** you sure seem to think you are right.
jus sayin
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SanZo Fengi
Tri-Mice Ltd
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Posted - 2010.08.02 00:35:00 -
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Originally by: Verone
Quote: Can I get away with playing 'casually'?
Yes.
^^This^^
Originally by: Kage Toshimado
Monkeys can make "chains" but not ladders. I think eventually, flinging monkey ***** will play a role in this experiment. That, or they'll all starve to monkey death.
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StainLessStealRat
Blood Covenant Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.08.02 01:24:00 -
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Join Agony or Eve Uni learn to PVP you will be a useful PVP pilot after just a day or two of training the right sklls.
After you learn the basics you can start to venture out your self.
Needing 10mill SP is Bull ****.
Even as a casual player your usefull nearly straight out of the box as a tackler.
Joining Agony or eve uni will put you in good company to learn what you need to. Please re-size your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels. Zymurgist |
Thorian Baalnorn
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Posted - 2010.08.02 02:27:00 -
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Originally by: Gladys Pank
Originally by: Thorian Baalnorn I waited another 3 months or so until i was about 10-11 months old. I started pvping then with just a wingman. My k/l ratio went from 1:5 to over 5:1 pvp instantly became more fun. I used better ships, better fits and had alot more knowledge of game mechanics.
you want to seriously pvp in a t1 frig or cruiser you need to be in small gang and filling a role. Even then expect to die often. Otherwise to do serious pvp you need to fly a BC or bigger or it needs to be a t2.
Thorian Baalnorn Lifetime kills74Lifetime losses43
Cool story bro. Nice trolling attempt.
You can pvp perfectly fine solo if a rifter. Just because it doesn't suit your 0.0 blob warfare style doesnt mean you cant do it. Also try learning to solo sometime, you fail because you rely on others to do half the work for you.
This guy just wants to get out and try something cheap and fun and work up. fit an mwd and a point and you are instantly valuable to a gang... up your basic skills to II or III and you are more than good to consider having a proper go solo. At low skillpoints in cheap ships you have nothing to lose and much to learn. Better to do this in 900k frigs than full tech II. It's far more about knowing what to engage, how and when to GTFO if its going wrong than it is about having a years worth of skillpoints.
A years worth of pvp skills is way better than sitting scratching your arse playing skillpoints online.
You know all you board warriors are alike. You use a name on here that someone cant look up. Yet you go running your mouths about how grand at pvp you are. Whats a matter afraid someone will find out your really a miner with pvp fantasies? Yeah i really blob everything thats obvious by my kill record isnt it? If your going to talk smack at least make it accurate smack talk. Lying for jesus is still lying.
Seems like your the one trolling to me. i gave my advice, all you did was talk smack. Whats a matter you hoping for more easy kills? Get those noobs in frigs and in low sec so i can improve my killboard!
Yeah you can solo perfectly fine in a rifter but you should also go to jita by 25 or so at a time have them contract hauled with mods to where your pvping. That should last you a few hours. Rifter will get eaten by T2 warriors, 2 point and/or anyone in anything bigger than a... rifter. Seriously you are just going to get the OP ganked repeatedly until he gets frustrated and quit.
Plenty of stuff to do while you wait like learning how to play. Eve is to vast to learn in a couple of months of even hardcore playing. Plus their is dozens of different things to do in eve. Not just pvp. first you learn to kill a rat then you learn to kill players. If you cant even kill rats without dying their is no point in trying to kill other players. Rats are significally easier to kill.
Quote: Too bad you suck balls without the gang behind you but good job not everyone thinks this way.
awww look more insults from the board warrior that hides behind their name. your right it is a good job cause then you wouldnt have easy kills in low sec because some noob is throwing rifters at your vaga thinking he is going to get somewhere because you told him it was a good idea to do so. maybe you can talk them into faction fitting it too so you feel even more superior?
Quote: I know I'm biting on your atrocious trolling but I want the OP to be informed and not to be put off by mofo's like you.
Actually board warrior your the one trolling.I gave advice your the one flaming and slinging insults and emoraging. you had a bad childhood didnt you? Its ok, i understand.
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EpiC Fa1L
Amarr Hedion University
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Posted - 2010.08.02 02:44:00 -
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Actually "Gladys Pank" is correct, and is also not hiding behind anything.. Gladys is the forum posting alt of Lady Spank I think..
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Thorian Baalnorn
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Posted - 2010.08.02 02:47:00 -
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Originally by: EpiC Fa1L Actually "Gladys Pank" is correct, and is also not hiding behind anything.. Gladys is the forum posting alt of Lady Spank I think..
I would agree on the forum posting alt. I dont agree with the die 2000 times until you get it right. But we can disagree and not insult each other like adults right? lol.
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Razzor Death
Antares Shipyards Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.08.02 02:48:00 -
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Originally by: Thorian Baalnorn :hurpdurp:
your trolling is terrible you are trying way to hard.
get out
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Warezmy Carr
Gallente Extortion Unlimited
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Posted - 2010.08.02 03:04:00 -
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Posting to confirm that you can be a pirate while playing casually. You can also be an effective PvPer with only a few hours' worth of skill training. Yes, you will become much better at it as your character gains skills, but EVE PvP is more about player experience. You can get that even if you only play one hour every other day.
That Thorian Baalnorn character is a troll, and you should ignore his posts altogether. -- My typical ship fit:
Highs: teeth Mediums: claws Lows: nads
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Ava Starfire
Minmatar Nordanverdr Modr
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Posted - 2010.08.02 03:12:00 -
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Yes, easily. I do.
Ignore BS telling you that you cant PvP until a year's SP. T2 guns and decent fitting skills are definately a plus, but T1 fit frigates will train your non-SP skills (ie, player skill) for basically free.
In 2-3 days you can be pewpewing. In 2-3 months you can be doing so, between player skill and SP, very effectively. Space is fun! |
Thorian Baalnorn
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Posted - 2010.08.02 04:44:00 -
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Originally by: Warezmy Carr Posting to confirm that you can be a pirate while playing casually. You can also be an effective PvPer with only a few hours' worth of skill training. Yes, you will become much better at it as your character gains skills, but EVE PvP is more about player experience. You can get that even if you only play one hour every other day.
That Thorian Baalnorn character is a troll, and you should ignore his posts altogether.
confirming i am not a troll.
How is that 20 man gang fleet to kill t1 cruisers in old man star? who uses a large gang to pvp in lowsec? lol. So far i am unpressed with those that call me a troll i see a lot of posters calling me a troll that seem to spend all their time in the kiddie pool doing wardecs. or running 200 man gangs in lowsec.
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Razzor Death
Antares Shipyards Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.08.02 04:53:00 -
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Originally by: Thorian Baalnorn confirming i am not a troll.
How is that 20 man gang fleet to kill t1 cruisers in old man star? who uses a large gang to pvp in lowsec? lol. So far i am unpressed with those that call me a troll i see a lot of posters calling me a troll that seem to spend all their time in the kiddie pool doing wardecs. or running 200 man gangs in lowsec.
Your still trying way to hard. Go lurk on 4chan for a while and come back when you have the hang of it.
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