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Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
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Posted - 2012.07.23 22:51:00 -
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Also, what the hell is your government going to do about a foreign game?
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
1538
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Posted - 2012.07.23 22:53:00 -
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Mia Trask wrote:Herr Wilkus wrote:CCP intentionally introduce countless positive feedback elements err do they!!!! I'v had nothing but a big "**** you do it yourself" from day one I'm guessing he's talking about the serotin dump that occurs during certain RNG elements of common MMORPGs, but was too much of an idiot to elaborate.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
1101
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Posted - 2012.07.23 22:53:00 -
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The guy was unstable to begin with, we shouldn't sugar coat everything in life just because some folks are really nuts.
He could have been addicted to Solitaire, and the outcome would likely be the same.
Also, that is a crap paper. Like Fox News, except in text form. |
Jonah Gravenstein
622
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Posted - 2012.07.23 22:53:00 -
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The Daily Mail, making Fox News look impartial since the year dot.
There is no evidence that video games cause people to harm others. Governments, greed, jealously and just plain not being right in the head does.
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Marcus Brigstoke wrote:If Pac-Man had affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in dark rooms, munching pills and listening to repetitive electronic music.
ooh wait that describes my teens and early 20's[/Humour Injection] War hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. |
Adalun Dey
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
38
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Posted - 2012.07.23 23:07:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:Also, what the hell is your government going to do about a foreign game? Whatever China does about it. Block access to the servers.
Anyway, Eve is pretty sure not to get blamed for this incident. Really, the only potential threat for a media disaster where an individual goes on a killing spree and gets it linked to an addiction to EVE is when it's a NASA employee doing so. Everyone knows they are the only ones with access to spaceships.
Dust 514 addicted players on the other hand... " Take my love, take my land, take me where I can not stand, I don't care, I'm still free. You can't take the sky from me. "
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Lyskal Oskold
Sefem Ortus Swift Angels Alliance
395
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Posted - 2012.07.23 23:13:00 -
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My life is going to **** and you don't see me taking it out on innocents.
Narcissist scum bag cracks because asking for help is, oh gosh, so damn hard. I just wish someone put him down before he did it. Taking out your problems on others is pathetic. I would have retained empathy if he didn't commit an atrocity because his crises management skills were inferior to that of a toddler. Also his parents said when they heard about it they thought it was him.
Umm, if you honestly believe your child is capable of doing that and actually might, it's your responsibility to step in. Useless parents, useless child.
The rest of the gaming community and the nature of MMOs cannot be blamed for the actions of the genetically inferior. The parents and child both had no idea what to do in such an obvious situation. I wonder how many months the guy was like that, all of his family and friends not giving a **** and him too stupid to.
tl;dr: Not our fault he couldn't handle his **** and his parents were as helpful as a barbed wire enema. Not even the common WoW player is that stupid. Pirates are red,buddies are blue,if you're unlucky enough to be orange,I'll f*cking kill you. |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
1540
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Posted - 2012.07.23 23:17:00 -
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Lyskal Oskold wrote:My life is going to **** and you don't see me taking it out on innocents.
Narcissist scum bag cracks because asking for help is, oh gosh, so damn hard. I just wish someone put him down before he did it. Taking out your problems on others is pathetic. I would have retained empathy if he didn't commit an atrocity because his crises management skills were inferior to that of a toddler. Also his parents said when they heard about it they thought it was him.
Umm, if you honestly believe your child is capable of doing that and actually might, it's your responsibility to step in. Useless parents, useless child.
The rest of the gaming community and the nature of MMOs cannot be blamed for the actions of the genetically inferior. The parents and child both had no idea what to do in such an obvious situation. I wonder how many months the guy was like that, all of his family and friends not giving a **** and him too stupid to.
tl;dr: Not our fault he couldn't handle his **** and his parents were as helpful as a barbed wire enema. Not even the common WoW player is that stupid. I don't really think this has anything to do with genetic inferiority.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2707
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Posted - 2012.07.23 23:17:00 -
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To be quite honest most politicians are far scarier than gamers.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedomInferno Wardecs - Shoot Goons for FREE $300,000 dollars :(-á |
Lyskal Oskold
Sefem Ortus Swift Angels Alliance
395
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Posted - 2012.07.23 23:19:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:Lyskal Oskold wrote:My life is going to **** and you don't see me taking it out on innocents.
Narcissist scum bag cracks because asking for help is, oh gosh, so damn hard. I just wish someone put him down before he did it. Taking out your problems on others is pathetic. I would have retained empathy if he didn't commit an atrocity because his crises management skills were inferior to that of a toddler. Also his parents said when they heard about it they thought it was him.
Umm, if you honestly believe your child is capable of doing that and actually might, it's your responsibility to step in. Useless parents, useless child.
The rest of the gaming community and the nature of MMOs cannot be blamed for the actions of the genetically inferior. The parents and child both had no idea what to do in such an obvious situation. I wonder how many months the guy was like that, all of his family and friends not giving a **** and him too stupid to.
tl;dr: Not our fault he couldn't handle his **** and his parents were as helpful as a barbed wire enema. Not even the common WoW player is that stupid. I don't really think this has anything to do with genetic inferiority.
Considering all of his family, friends and he himself basically just left it even though they admitted he could do something like that brings me to the conclusion that something had to be in the water or something. It's like knowing for a fact someone is going to try and murder you in an hour and you don't call the cops, because it could sort it'self out. Pirates are red,buddies are blue,if you're unlucky enough to be orange,I'll f*cking kill you. |
Jonah Gravenstein
624
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Posted - 2012.07.23 23:25:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote: I don't really think this has anything to do with genetic inferiority.
I hope by genetically inferior that Lyskal Oskold isn't referring to people that suffer from mental illness, just because discussion of it is still marred by a stigma doesn't mean that it is an inferiority, 25% of people suffer some form of mental illness in their life and the FHC forum thread on mental health is an indication it could be more than that . War hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. |
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Lyskal Oskold
Sefem Ortus Swift Angels Alliance
395
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Posted - 2012.07.23 23:27:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote: I don't really think this has anything to do with genetic inferiority.
I hope by genetically inferior that Lyskal Oskold isn't referring to people that suffer from mental illness, just because discussion of it is still marred by a stigma doesn't mean that it is an inferiority, 25% of people suffer some form of mental illness in their life and the FHC forum thread on mental health is an indication it could be more than that .
I'm really just venting because so many people had the opportunity to potentially stop it and didn't. Pirates are red,buddies are blue,if you're unlucky enough to be orange,I'll f*cking kill you. |
Jimmy Gunsmythe
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
74
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Posted - 2012.07.23 23:35:00 -
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Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:On the other hand... if everyone in the theater was at home playing Eve 12 of them wouldn't be dead
Not much of a bleeding heart. but nonetheless, not funny, dude.
DrSmegma wrote:*skims text*
They suspect it's World of Warcraft. All is well.
No, they said it was a game where player's compete against one another. Investigation will lead back here due to everyone screaming the Eve is a pure PvP game. A good predator knows how to live in balance with his prey, lest he follow them into oblivion. |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
1543
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Posted - 2012.07.23 23:41:00 -
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Lyskal Oskold wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:Lyskal Oskold wrote:My life is going to **** and you don't see me taking it out on innocents.
Narcissist scum bag cracks because asking for help is, oh gosh, so damn hard. I just wish someone put him down before he did it. Taking out your problems on others is pathetic. I would have retained empathy if he didn't commit an atrocity because his crises management skills were inferior to that of a toddler. Also his parents said when they heard about it they thought it was him.
Umm, if you honestly believe your child is capable of doing that and actually might, it's your responsibility to step in. Useless parents, useless child.
The rest of the gaming community and the nature of MMOs cannot be blamed for the actions of the genetically inferior. The parents and child both had no idea what to do in such an obvious situation. I wonder how many months the guy was like that, all of his family and friends not giving a **** and him too stupid to.
tl;dr: Not our fault he couldn't handle his **** and his parents were as helpful as a barbed wire enema. Not even the common WoW player is that stupid. I don't really think this has anything to do with genetic inferiority. Considering all of his family, friends and he himself basically just left it even though they admitted he could do something like that brings me to the conclusion that something had to be in the water or something. It's like knowing for a fact someone is going to try and murder you in an hour and you don't call the cops, because it could sort it'self out. All they said is that when told they suddenly feared it was him.
I think there is a difference between identifying or associating that behaviour with an individual after the act, and honestly believing they are capable of it prior to it happening.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
1543
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Posted - 2012.07.23 23:43:00 -
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Also, 12 people? Pretty lousy KDR if you ask me.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
105
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Posted - 2012.07.23 23:50:00 -
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Innocent on grounds on insanity case closed, next case. I'd be a great judge. I just saved USA $40 million and 2 weeks of many peoples lives. Kugutsumen - My signature insures that my post is always read by an ISD or Dev, does yours? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8708
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Posted - 2012.07.23 23:51:00 -
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Jimmy Gunsmythe wrote:No, they said it was a game where player's compete against one another. Investigation will lead back here due to everyone screaming the Eve is a pure PvP game. No, the investigation will not take place, because it's a knee-jerk GÇ£blame [common young-people-activity] for the ills of societyGÇ¥ moral panic response.
Actually investigating anything like that would mean finding underlying problems that have nothing to do with what the pundits want the problem to be, so no-one will be stupid enough to do that.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
105
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Posted - 2012.07.24 00:02:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Jimmy Gunsmythe wrote:No, they said it was a game where player's compete against one another. Investigation will lead back here due to everyone screaming the Eve is a pure PvP game. No, the investigation will not take place, because it's a knee-jerk GÇ£blame [common young-people-activity] for the ills of societyGÇ¥ moral panic response. Actually investigating anything like that would mean finding underlying problems that have nothing to do with what the pundits want the problem to be, so no-one will be stupid enough to do that.
Computer game addiction can be as destructive as any addiction so denying that as a cause is just wrong. It may very well be the primary cause of shootings or a combination of things only time will tell. You can't say that shooting people in the face 300x a day on a screen does not slightly de-sensitise you to it especially if you lose a grip on reality. Kugutsumen - My signature insures that my post is always read by an ISD or Dev, does yours? |
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
105
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Posted - 2012.07.24 00:04:00 -
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I personally blame T2BPO's for these pointless deaths, he was clearly enraged about T2BPO's. If only I can get the daily mail, fox news and the BBC onto the remove T2PO agenda victory will be mine! Kugutsumen - My signature insures that my post is always read by an ISD or Dev, does yours? |
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
381
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Posted - 2012.07.24 00:06:00 -
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Eve or WOW? The killer's classmate said James Holmes played a game 'like' World of Warcraft. EVE falls into that category, and the same arguments about addictive software products applies. Separating the two would be like condemning Marlboro on one hand, while saying that Lucky Strikes are OK.
While I agree, most UK periodicals are laughably bad (The Guardian, The News of the World, etc...), the article in question was linked by the Drudge Report - one of the best news aggregators on the net. Highly trusted by independent thinkers ever since the network news channels tried to cover up the Monica Lewinski scandal.
This particular article was interesting because the Daily Mail actually interviewed his classmates (who have, interestingly, been sequestered by their university).
That classmate make it quite clear that he believed that James Holmes' mental deterioration was directly caused by MMORPG addiction.
And for every James Holmes that goes on a rampage, there are countless others with addictive personalities that end up damaging themselves and their families.
CCP needs to take steps to show that they take these issues seriously. Sadly, this likely isn't enough. Long experience has shown that industry 'self regulation' never works, due to the profit motive.
I would suggest that any American of voting age visit this website: http://www.house.gov/representatives/find/
Then write your congressmen. Bring these issues to their attention... Let them know that addictive products such as MMORPGs need a strong measure of government oversight to help prevent tragedy before it happens..... |
Pipa Porto
470
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Posted - 2012.07.24 00:09:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:I personally blame T2BPO's for these pointless deaths, he was clearly enraged about T2BPO's. If only I can get the daily mail, fox news and the BBC onto the remove T2PO agenda victory will be mine!
Ok, Brewlar. Time to stop spamming every thread you touch with your rabid campaign. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone |
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Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
105
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Posted - 2012.07.24 00:11:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:I personally blame T2BPO's for these pointless deaths, he was clearly enraged about T2BPO's. If only I can get the daily mail, fox news and the BBC onto the remove T2PO agenda victory will be mine! Ok, Brewlar. Time to stop spamming every thread you touch with your rabid campaign.
You'll pay for those words! I bet it was LOL he was playing and not eve LOL is very PVP based and similar to wow Kugutsumen - My signature insures that my post is always read by an ISD or Dev, does yours? |
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
684
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Posted - 2012.07.24 00:11:00 -
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Herr Wilkus wrote: CCP needs to take steps to show that they take these issues seriously. .
Of course they do, they make EvE. They make it so you don't want to play, just look at the goons they support. They just want you to subscribe and earn skills. *scoff* fly spaceships *scoff* Why would you do that, you get blown up. |
Jonah Gravenstein
624
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Posted - 2012.07.24 00:12:00 -
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Herr Wilkus wrote:I would suggest that any American of voting age visit this website: http://www.house.gov/representatives/find/Then write your congressmen. Bring these issues to their attention... Let them know that addictive products such as MMORPGs need a strong measure of government oversight to help prevent tragedy before it happens.....
Keep the US Government out of my gaming tyvm, they're already pushing ridiculous laws into areas & countries that they have no jurisdiction over, the US Government can't see further than where the next "donation" or vote is coming from. War hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. |
Jonuts
The Arrow Project
243
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Posted - 2012.07.24 00:12:00 -
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Umm...if the dude wasn't addicting to WoW or whatever, he'd be addicted to something else. Unhealthy people developing unhealthy obsessions shouldn't be controlled through legislation. Things like cigarettes are a different story, as it's a chemical addiction. Being addicted to cig's isn't a problem with YOU, it's a problem with cigs. Being addicted to WoW or Eve is a YOU problem. There is no solution that could be created from legislation that isn't likely to be worse than the problem, because if you manage to prevent addiction to an MMO, they'll find an addiction elsewhere. The help they need won't come from congress.
In other news, why the **** do we care about the classmates opinion of what drives someone insane? Are they qualified to make such an assessment, or are they blaming the most visible thing they can see? |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
1543
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Posted - 2012.07.24 00:15:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:Tippia wrote:Jimmy Gunsmythe wrote:No, they said it was a game where player's compete against one another. Investigation will lead back here due to everyone screaming the Eve is a pure PvP game. No, the investigation will not take place, because it's a knee-jerk GÇ£blame [common young-people-activity] for the ills of societyGÇ¥ moral panic response. Actually investigating anything like that would mean finding underlying problems that have nothing to do with what the pundits want the problem to be, so no-one will be stupid enough to do that. Computer game addiction can be as destructive as any addiction so denying that as a cause is just wrong. It may very well be the primary cause of shootings or a combination of things only time will tell. You can't say that shooting people in the face 300x a day on a screen does not slightly de-sensitise you to it especially if you lose a grip on reality. Assumptions, the mother of all **** ups.
Desensitization was a buzz word pushed around, what, nearly a decade ago? Since then peer reviewed (read: real) studies have failed to show any causative link, or any desensitizing effects to be associated with gaming. Seriously, the army even wanted to use them for that purpose and decided not to because it was simply a load of crap.
All they found was that new soldiers trained with VR games were still just as likely to intentionally miss kill shots in real fire situations. Although IIRC since then they have tried using that VR software for treatment of post traumatic stress for soldiers, as well as actual training.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
576
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Posted - 2012.07.24 00:21:00 -
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It was the only way he could stand up against OTEC. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
Garreth Vlox
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
14
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Posted - 2012.07.24 00:22:00 -
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I love how people keep blaming video games for seemingly random acts of violence by deeply disturbed people. His girlfriend dumped him , he was being evicted, he was skipping and failing his classes then one random comment by someone who has no basis to decide whether or not someone is addicted to something - ( if the kid calling him a gaming addict has degree in the medical field that pertains to psychological disorders feel free to correct me) - mentions the kid is a hard core gamer and its instantly the video games fault, not all the real life **** that would depress just about any NORMAL person, no it has to be the video game. What the **** ever happened to common sense and logic? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8710
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Posted - 2012.07.24 00:32:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:Computer game addiction can be as destructive as any addiction so denying that as a cause is just wrong. It may very well be the primary cause of shootings or a combination of things only time will tell. You can't say that shooting people in the face 300x a day on a screen does not slightly de-sensitise you to it especially if you lose a grip on reality. Yes I can, largely because the whole desensitisation thing is just more media guesswork with little to no basis other than the same moral panic we've seen for, oh, the last two centuriesGǪ
Denying game addiction as a cause is about as right as denying caffeine overdose as a cause GÇö completely meaningless because there is nothing to tie his actions to games just like there is nothing to tie his actions to caffeine.
Herr Wilkus wrote:That classmate make it quite clear that he believed that James Holmes' mental deterioration was directly caused by MMORPG addiction. GǪwhich was based on her long and extensive experience in the field, I presume? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1701
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Posted - 2012.07.24 00:40:00 -
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Jimmy Gunsmythe wrote:Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:On the other hand... if everyone in the theater was at home playing Eve 12 of them wouldn't be dead Not much of a bleeding heart. but nonetheless, not funny, dude.
Do you deny that it is in fact a true statement? |
Pipa Porto
472
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Posted - 2012.07.24 00:46:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:Tippia wrote:Jimmy Gunsmythe wrote:No, they said it was a game where player's compete against one another. Investigation will lead back here due to everyone screaming the Eve is a pure PvP game. No, the investigation will not take place, because it's a knee-jerk GÇ£blame [common young-people-activity] for the ills of societyGÇ¥ moral panic response. Actually investigating anything like that would mean finding underlying problems that have nothing to do with what the pundits want the problem to be, so no-one will be stupid enough to do that. Computer game addiction can be as destructive as any addiction so denying that as a cause is just wrong. It may very well be the primary cause of shootings or a combination of things only time will tell. You can't say that shooting people in the face 300x a day on a screen does not slightly de-sensitise you to it especially if you lose a grip on reality. Assumptions, the mother of all **** ups. Desensitization was a buzz word pushed around, what, nearly a decade ago? Since then peer reviewed (read: real) studies have failed to show any causative link, or any desensitizing effects to be associated with gaming. Seriously, the army even wanted to use them for that purpose and decided not to because it was simply a load of crap. All they found was that new soldiers trained with VR games were still just as likely to intentionally miss kill shots in real fire situations. Although IIRC since then they have tried using that VR software for treatment of post traumatic stress for soldiers, as well as actual training.
Never let facts get in the way of a good story.
Did you know that some psychiatric group put out guidelines on respibly reporting on mass murders to avoid copycats?
They suggest the following: DonGÇÖt start the story with sirens blaring DonGÇÖt have photographs of the killer DonGÇÖt make this 24/7 coverage Do everything you can NOT to make the body count the lead story [and] not to make the hero some kind of anti-hero DO localize this story to the affected community and make it as boring as possible in every other market."
Oh well... EvE: Everyone vs Everyone |
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