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Ryhss
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Posted - 2010.08.04 19:22:00 -
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I'm an American, I live in America, but I watch a lot of BBC shows online. I particularly love 'Top Gear'. I'm just wondering why your seasons(or series) are only 6 episodes?
Originally by: aratillion
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Verone
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Posted - 2010.08.04 19:44:00 -
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The show has a strict budget because the BBC are too busy marketing stuff like "Strictly Come Iceskating's Got Talent".
They make each series short so that they can do the most ridiculous things possible in each show and stick within budget.
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Posted - 2010.08.04 19:49:00 -
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Originally by: Stolen flagrantly from another thread with the same topic
I've found a few differences that I feel are the reasons for why the english shows have shorter seasons.
1. The US Audience for TV is about 10-20 Million per prime time show, English is about 1-4 Million. Much less advertising revenue as a result for UK shows.
2. The BBC in the UK does not have any advertisements. So if a show is 1 episode or 100 episodes they wont get any extra or less money so there is little reason to do Doctor Who or other popular BBC shows for longer than a handful of episodes.
3. The US shows especially comedies have a lot more writers. Malcolm in the Middle for an example had 35 writers. The average UK comedy show has 2-3 writers for its entire multi-year spanning run which makes producing so many episodes that are funny more difficult and with the constraints cost wise noted above it makes hiring more writers an issue for a show with such a limited revenue stream.
4. The US makes a lot of money through syndication. If a show is good they can syndicate it to 30-40 countries. The UK doesn't often do this in non-english speaking countries. You will find most of the exported UK programming hits US and Australian shores and doesn't often break the language barrier in to other countries unless its a seriously great show and some of that is due to the series length. If you're a network operator in russia for example you may not want to pick up a series that has only 6 episodes a year if you also have to pay for them to be dubbed.
These are just my observations and also information that I've seen in interviews with different writers, producers and studio execs on TV Show production which is something I am very interested in :)
I tend to prefer the shorter seasons anyway, since they tend to lack the low quality filler episodes. Two dozen episodes a year is nice to have, but unfortunately many shows don't have the material to fill so many episodes with quality entertainment.
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Posted - 2010.08.04 20:38:00 -
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Vogue
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Posted - 2010.08.04 22:01:00 -
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British TV has really gone downhill in recent years. Lots of 'reality TV' garbage as its cheap to make. Sky sattelite TV is good for sheer choice and showing the best American TV. But its not cheap.
Though BBC Iplayer is very handy for streaming BBC programs to BBC. And Channel4 has lots of good documentarys streamable across the internet.
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Posted - 2010.08.04 22:09:00 -
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Originally by: Vogue British TV has really gone downhill in recent years. Lots of 'reality TV' garbage as its cheap to make. Sky sattelite TV is good for sheer choice and showing the best American TV. But its not cheap.
Though BBC Iplayer is very handy for streaming BBC programs to BBC. And Channel4 has lots of good documentarys streamable across the internet.
If you like iPlayer and 4oD, You may wish to check out Seesaw.com. Their implementation is a bit buggy at times, but they do have a lot of free stuff on there.
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Xtreem
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Posted - 2010.08.04 22:27:00 -
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the BBC drama "The Deep" is looking good, i recommend that.
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annoing
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Posted - 2010.08.04 23:48:00 -
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Originally by: Ryhss I'm an American, I live in America, but I watch a lot of BBC shows online. I particularly love 'Top Gear'. I'm just wondering why your seasons(or series) are only 6 episodes?
As someone else has already said ... quality over quantity.
TG has 2 series per year, 6 episodes (usually)each series. They tend to have one big 'special' episode per year which eats alot of the budget (north pole, vietnam et al) and 2-3 small shows to allow budget for the big one. TG has turned into an iconic show where the cars are more of the background to the presenters and stunts. If you havent seen it in the US yet, watch out for the Diaz/Cruise 'star in a reasonably priced car', that was interesting to see Diaz being normal and Cruise unable to stop acting. The next episode shows 'Captain Slow' driving the Bugatti Veyron 414kph to beat the recent US 'road car' land speed record.
As for the BBC, they (imho) make the best tele in the UK by far but have recently started to dumb down to commercial tv standards of chavtastic tele stylings. I can honestly say that apart from Film4 I dont watch any commercial television whatsoever anymore. I tried to watch ST on Sky once (many many years ago) but couldnt handle the 8 mins of programme v's the 4 minutes of commercials. Cable/Satellite TV in the UK is now co-ordinated so that all the channels show commercials at the same time so their isnt any point in channel hopping when the adverts come on. The only difference is the 'big' 3 stations (ITV, channel 4, Five) that run adverts roughly every 15 mins for 3-4 mins. Commercial TV? No thanks, you can keep it. Im happy paying my ú140+ tax every year for the advert free BBC tyvm
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Ryhss
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Posted - 2010.08.05 01:00:00 -
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Don't get me wrong, I love the show, ep 6 of series 15 just ended, any clues when series 16 starts?
Originally by: aratillion
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Menkaure
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Posted - 2010.08.05 03:24:00 -
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Edited by: Menkaure on 05/08/2010 03:25:42
I'd rather pay the license fee and keep the BBC, than not. I think most people would say the same in the UK.
The "Americanisation" of channels like Sky ****es me off though. Seems like we get more and more adverts these days. 42mins per "hour long" show? Makes me angry. Used to be 50mins or more.
God bless the BBC and things like Top Gear running for an actual hour!
Originally by: Ryhss Don't get me wrong, I love the show, ep 6 of series 15 just ended, any clues when series 16 starts?
It'll be early/mid November as an educated guess.
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Anddeh McNab
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Posted - 2010.08.05 17:19:00 -
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Originally by: Menkaure I'd rather pay the license fee and keep the BBC, than not. I think most people would say the same in the UK.
I don't but then I don't watch nearly any TV at all. It's saturation with sh*t like Big Brother over the last few years just puts me off. Only decent things left really are Top Gear and MasterChef.
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baltec1
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Posted - 2010.08.05 17:38:00 -
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Edited by: baltec1 on 05/08/2010 17:41:44
Originally by: Xtreem the BBC drama "The Deep" is looking good, i recommend that.
Yep looking forwards to seeing the next episode of that. BBC also do the best nature documentaries, although I hear the Americans dub them with someone else rather than keep David Attenborough which is a crime tbh.
Also if people havent seen it mongrels is very funny.
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jason hill
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Posted - 2010.08.05 17:42:00 -
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Originally by: Xtreem the BBC drama "The Deep" is looking good, i recommend that.
I would agree with this statement ...however is it a dramatisation of the original film I wonder
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Viktor Fyretracker
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Posted - 2010.08.05 18:20:00 -
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Americans must hate advertising too, because the best reviewed shows are generally on HBO and Showtime. both are premium channels on cable, they have no Ads, No FCC Leash, but they cost extra. but people are willing to pay for them.
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annoing
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Posted - 2010.08.05 20:27:00 -
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Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker Americans must hate advertising too, because the best reviewed shows are generally on HBO and Showtime.
Both these channels make quite a few programmes with the BBC now, especially HBO
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Viktor Fyretracker
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Posted - 2010.08.05 21:08:00 -
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Originally by: annoing
Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker Americans must hate advertising too, because the best reviewed shows are generally on HBO and Showtime.
Both these channels make quite a few programmes with the BBC now, especially HBO
of course, gives them access to eachother's writers and likely the big one for the BBC, access to an HBO scale production budget.
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Dray
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Posted - 2010.08.05 23:31:00 -
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The BBC comes in for a lot of stick atm, some of it warranted some of it not, Rupert Murdoch hates the BBC though so kudos to them for that.
Most of the best dramas and documentaries I've seen are from the BBC but in recent years the quality, for me, isn't what it was plus HBO puts out some storming shows like the Sopranos etc which the BBC couldn't really compete with in terms of cost of production though Rome was a joint venture with HBO and there have been others.
Documentaries like Horizon and David Attenboroughs output will take some beating and stand out, also some of the comedies like Yes Minister and Fawltey Towers were first rate.
In the late seventies and eighties they made some brilliant dramas, you know the sites to look for if you want to see them as they're out there, for starters look for Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy, and Smiley's People, based on John Le Carre's spy novels which are everything that James Bond isn't and f**king brilliant.
You might want to see if you can get a hold of Edge of Darkness, Mel Gibson made a movie based on this which to be fair wasn't that bad but the original drama with Bob Peck and Joe Don Baker in the main roles was excellent.
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annoing
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Posted - 2010.08.06 02:31:00 -
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Originally by: Dray The BBC comes in for a lot of stick atm, some of it warranted some of it not, Rupert Murdoch hates the BBC though so kudos to them for that.
Rupert Murdoch (the 'dirty digger', racist nub - if you want proof, see ruperts history over aboriginals) wants an end to the bbc because he KNOWS that any of his channels on Sky satellite cant compete with them. Apart from the Sky Sports channels, Sky itself (all of their channels) claim less than 2% of the total channel viewing figures - Officail viewing figures to dec 31st 2009. One of the things that Sky doesnt like is competition and the 5 main channels (bbc 1, bbc2, itv, 4 and Five) give too much competition because they actually make programmes that people want to actually watch (weeeeeeeeell, I say Five but theyve nearly folded due to shi tty figures but still better than sky can manage). All the money that sky throw at buying top rated american programmes doesnt do them any good. The best thing that sky can do is fold and leave tv to the people who know how to make it. Ruprt murdcoh - lets hope the mutherfuker dies (and his son) as soon as possible. Can you tell that I hate the tw at?
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Posted - 2010.08.06 04:48:00 -
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The Top Gear budget for the series just gone was clearly much smaller than before. Top Gear has sunk in quality in the last couple of years. I don't imagine it has long left.
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Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2010.08.06 08:55:00 -
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Edited by: Rodj Blake on 06/08/2010 08:59:56
Originally by: Vogue Edited by: Vogue on 04/08/2010 22:19:15 British TV has really gone downhill in recent years. Lots of 'reality TV' garbage as its cheap to make. Sky sattelite TV is good for sheer choice and showing the best American TV. But its not cheap.
Though BBC Iplayer is very handy for streaming BBC programs to PC. Likewise for Channel4 documentaries.
The BBC is funded by the 'tv license'. A compulsory tax for owning a TV. ú145.50 per year for a colour TV. And for some daft reason you would only pay ú45.50 if you had a black and white TV BBC do generally better quality TV. But their news programs have a snooty air - 'the world according to the BBC!'. And as they don't really have an independent narrative it's pretentious. Regional BBC news sets a gold standard for happy fluffy glib news Well BBC would call it community pride programming ugh. If fascist countries want a model to follow to cheer up the oppresed masses watch and copy Midlands Today.
Other countries have "Reality TV" as well.
You also have to remember that there are many more channels now compared to the old days. Inevitably a lot of the extra airtime will be filled with lower-quality viewing. In my view, there's just as much good stuff on as before, it's just somewhat diluted and you have to do a bit of searching.
The BBC in particular still makes good programmes. QI and Sherlock are two examples of prime-time BBC1 shows that are entertaining, fun and intelligent. And David Attenborough is still alive.
And of course, they still had rubbish programmes in the old days. It's just that nobody remembers them.
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SemiCharmed
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Posted - 2010.08.06 09:54:00 -
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At least its better than FOX that you guys have, who interfere in shows development, air each episode in the incorrect order and then give it the axe *ahem* Firefly *ahem*
Top Gear FTW and just like someone said above, Quality, not quantity ;) --------------------------------------------
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Posted - 2010.08.06 11:53:00 -
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I really miss Fawlty Towers.
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tagen young
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Posted - 2010.08.06 12:21:00 -
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not really sure why a series like top gear is so short.
Traditionally for comedy/drama UK shows were frequently written by just one or two writers rather than the large team approach adapted by US shows. It simply wasn't possible to have a 20 show series written by one guy.
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ChaeDoc II
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Posted - 2010.08.06 13:34:00 -
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Two Top Gear series per 12 months. 14 1-hour episodes per year = 14 hours of quality TV.
House - Season 6 - 21 episodes of about 40 minutes in leangth. 1 series per 12 months at around 41 mins per episode = about 14hours, 21 minutes quality tv.
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ChaeDoc II
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Posted - 2010.08.06 13:37:00 -
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Originally by: tagen young
not really sure why a series like top gear is so short.
Car manufacturers don't release new cars to suit television scheduling.
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Posted - 2010.08.06 14:33:00 -
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It's down to the writers, a lot of UK shows tend to have only one or two writers working on their own show, so 6 episodes per season is normal. Compared to US shows where you get 20+ episodes per season because they use large teams of writers to get it all done.
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King Gore
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Posted - 2010.08.06 15:01:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Charlie Quality over quantity of course .
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Sonkut
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Posted - 2010.08.06 15:55:00 -
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BBC Iplayer Search "mongrels" Enjoy, oh, adults only. Best puppet show evar
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Posted - 2010.08.06 22:08:00 -
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Originally by: Sonkut BBC Iplayer Search "mongrels" Enjoy, oh, adults only. Best puppet show evar
The teddybears in the park
But yes the BBC is excellent. In holland daytime TV was horrible, lame game shows where you didn't learn anything or talkshows.. about nothing really. Now BBC daytime tv teaches you about gardening, how to sell your house for the most amount of money and the gameshows aren't terribly insulting for someones intelligence. So even at its worst it is still miles better than other broadcasters.
Dancing with the stars is sad though
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Posted - 2010.08.06 22:24:00 -
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Originally by: annoing
Originally by: Dray wants an end to the bbc because he KNOWS that any of his channels on Sky satellite cant compete with them.
Seeing as its compulsary by law for all TV owners to pay a subscription to the BBC and not to SKY its hardly fair competition.
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