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Vee Raa
Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2010.08.07 23:00:00 -
[91]
it's like buying a concert ticket, and then entering a Hell's Angels bar in your last years Gaybar dressing contest suit.
Quote: Jita
Quote: war dec/flashy red
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Hulkageddon Jackpot
Amarr Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2010.08.07 23:01:00 -
[92]
Just for the record, I'm personally perfectly fine with PLEXs popping. I'm just fascinated by the question.
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Sky Marshal
IMpAct Corp Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2010.08.07 23:01:00 -
[93]
Originally by: Shawna Gray I can sell any ship or ingame weapons for this ingame item to get a realworld service.
Apart the fact that this is the primary function of a Plex, it is not the case for a ship. _______ With the NGE, I'm sorry about the mistake we made. We screwed up and didn't listen to the fans when we should have. - John Smedley, CEO of Sony Online Entertainment |
Xhae
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Posted - 2010.08.07 23:10:00 -
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Originally by: Hulkageddon Jackpot Just for the record, I'm personally perfectly fine with PLEXs popping. I'm just fascinated by the question.
Seconded, though I have concerns about the relevance of a Stanford professor's knowledge to the jurisdiction in which CCP operate.
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Xhae
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Posted - 2010.08.07 23:15:00 -
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Originally by: Sky Marshal
Originally by: Shawna Gray I can sell any ship or ingame weapons for this ingame item to get a realworld service.
Apart the fact that this is the primary function of a Plex, it is not the case for a ship.
The in-game item arguably represents the potential for a real-world service, the right to which is voided by the item's loss.
You could previously lose the item by selling it (for any price, 300,000 ISK being a popular Want To Buy.)
CCP have (loudly) announced that said in-game item will be treated like every other in-game item, and as such you can lose it (and the right to game time which it contains) in the same manner as every other in-game item.
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RifterDrifter
They Found Oil On Your Anus
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Posted - 2010.08.07 23:16:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Cheap Dude
Well.. you can't blame CCP for the player to screw up.. but you CAN blame CCP for not dropping those plexes. The player lost the plexes because he was stupid to undock with them in such a ship.. but the agressor (looter) should have been given those plexes.
Sure, Plexes should always drop right? RONG
The Plexes where quite likely stacked, so the single stack of 74 plexes had a 50% probability of dropping. _______________________________________________
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Hulkageddon
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Posted - 2010.08.07 23:18:00 -
[97]
It's pretty simple actually:
Stupid is as stupid does.
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SupaKudoRio
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Posted - 2010.08.07 23:19:00 -
[98]
Originally by: Hulkageddon Jackpot Simply out of interest, I have forwarded the query of whether or not what happened here is "ok" or not to a professor at Stanford.
I will be most intrigued by the response, I hope he has time for us :)
I am also intrigued to know what response you get. I will fall about laughing if he comes back saying it's not legal; hello new ****storm for CCP to deal with as people claim back their cash after being ******s in game.
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Obsidian Hawk
RONA Legion
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Posted - 2010.08.07 23:24:00 -
[99]
hmmm how did this happen.
1. Jita 2. Lots of expensive items 3. Like everyone else that is on the wall of Epic Legendary Fails, they used the wrong ship, you do not haul expensive stuff in a frigate. 4. wardec/gcc 5. Attackers prolly had a lot of neutral RSB on them along with their own sensor boosters.
Which brings me to the question, do people ever check their aggro timer, kill rights, and or active war decs before they undock? Its like not checking your autopilot and flying through rancer.
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Vontan
Reikoku IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.08.07 23:28:00 -
[100]
I hate people. Only a ****ing ******ed subhuman would spend $1100 real cash and lose it like that. Seriously, if you want any more proof that having money does not make you smart or better than someone else, look no further than that killmail. I hope he cried into his pillow until it was a soaked mess.
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B0FROST
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Posted - 2010.08.07 23:30:00 -
[101]
Originally by: Hulkageddon Jackpot Just for the record, I'm personally perfectly fine with PLEXs popping. I'm just fascinated by the question.
Totally legit. CCP is selling a service (GTCs) for hard cash. If a player chooses to use this service he gets either a) 60 days of playtime added to his account, or b) 2xPLEX, which can be used in-game for the exact same thing.
Here stops the business transaction. What said person does after this, is his and his own agenda.
Imagine: you buy a real-ultra-cool LED tv at your local Radio Shack. The second after you paid a fortune, you can do "what ever you want" with your new tv. Drive it home and plug it in, toss it into a dumpster or give it to your neighbors. It is not the business of Radio Shack what you do or will do with it!
For RL reference we rule out the possibility of ganking or piracy: You bought the TV with a massive discount and want to sell it to your redneck cousins 300km away. Making a good profit. Would it be Radio Shacks fault, if you'd have an accident on the way there? Would the insurance of Radio Shack pay if you are too f?cking stupid to drive?
I hereby rest my case your honor!
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Mire Stoude
The Undesirables
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Posted - 2010.08.07 23:38:00 -
[102]
Edited by: Mire Stoude on 07/08/2010 23:42:35 This was lost in Jita. This is, most likely, someone who put out a buy order for PLEXes and acquired 74 of them (cheaply) with game money. The people who actually put real money to buy them got their Dollar's (or Euro's) worth.
In any case, he was hauling 22b worth of a commodity. He should have been smarter. An Abaddon with 250k of EHP, MWD and a cloak would have been better. Probably would have cost 200m to put together and could have been sold at the destination system for more than he bought it for.
EDIT: If he lost it to war targets in Jita he is deserving of a Darwin award.
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Derus Grobb
Minmatar Selectus Pravus Lupus
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Posted - 2010.08.07 23:41:00 -
[103]
Haha, brilliant ---
Originally by: CCP Soundwave The roof is awesome.
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Barkaial Starfinder
Minmatar The Kairos Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.08.07 23:42:00 -
[104]
Wow.. You guys REALLY think CCP made PLEX undockable to get easy money?
People would buy those PLEX anyway, and CCP would provide the server in the same way, even if they were not bought, or not destroyed.
Nothing changes for CCP here, just for the player. The player is paying the price for stupidity, and seriously... If this is not fake, this player deserved it. It's good for him he just lost 1000$ over a game if he learns the lesson.
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Quaaid
Caldari Light Adama
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Posted - 2010.08.07 23:46:00 -
[105]
Grats to the 0rphanage! My Ransom Face |
Sky Marshal
IMpAct Corp Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2010.08.07 23:46:00 -
[106]
Originally by: Xhae The in-game item arguably represents the potential for a real-world service, the right to which is voided by the item's loss.
You could previously lose the item by selling it (for any price, 300,000 ISK being a popular Want To Buy.)
CCP have (loudly) announced that said in-game item will be treated like every other in-game item, and as such you can lose it (and the right to game time which it contains) in the same manner as every other in-game item.
Apart the fact that you have bougth game time in the first place, whatever the form it has. There is still an IRL connection. This is why it can exist a problem with the "item's loss", and why there is different perceptions.
For the rest, I agree that CCP prevented players with the opening EVE window and many others ways. I don't forget the player's responsability, but still, I don't agree with logic of CCP.
Originally by: B0FROST Here stops the business transaction. What said person does after this, is his and his own agenda.
Imagine: you buy a real-ultra-cool LED tv at your local Radio Shack. The second after you paid a fortune, you can do "what ever you want" with your new tv. Drive it home and plug it in, toss it into a dumpster or give it to your neighbors. It is not the business of Radio Shack what you do or will do with it!
Your RL reference is wrong because CCP still have an obligation of service who remains as long as the Plex exist. Your TV seller, once it is sold, it is all, there is no service provided with it (maybe yes if you bought warranty extension or anything like this, and depending of what it will concern). So it can't be used for Plex.
I did in the post #30 a comparison with life insurance, probably more correct to describe them.
_______ With the NGE, I'm sorry about the mistake we made. We screwed up and didn't listen to the fans when we should have. - John Smedley, CEO of Sony Online Entertainment |
London
Gallente Void-Wolf Propter Falco
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Posted - 2010.08.07 23:50:00 -
[107]
Amazing. Dude has probably gone killed himself by this point... because if your spending that much on a computer game, you have nothing else going on.
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Barkaial Starfinder
Minmatar The Kairos Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.08.07 23:54:00 -
[108]
So.. If you buy game cards and set them on fire, you think ... oh god
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.08.07 23:55:00 -
[109]
Edited by: Tippia on 07/08/2010 23:56:15
Originally by: Sky Marshal Your RL reference is wrong because CCP still have an obligation of service who remains as long as the Plex exist.
What trips people up, I think, is that they don't realise that the player can choose to relieve CCP of this obligation at any point. Having a possbility of being lost in a fiery explosion is just a new way of doing that, and nothing that hasn't existed before.
Yes, CCP have an obligation to provide you with game time if you choose to cash in on that service, but that's not the only available choice. Why should they have that obligation if you choose not to call them on this promise and instead delete it? ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Rowbin Hod
Cloak and Daggers Black Core Alliance
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Posted - 2010.08.07 23:56:00 -
[110]
Not that this thread needs any more opinions, but anyway.
Originally by: Xhae
CCP have (loudly) announced that said in-game item will be treated like every other in-game item, and as such you can lose it (and the right to game time which it contains) in the same manner as every other in-game item.
Can you help me then? I tried right clicking on a nanofiber internal structure II in my hanger, but there wasn't an option to apply 30 days of game time. Tried it too with a packaged (and unpackaged) Caldari shuttle, but I didn't get this option either. Weird.
They are *NOT* the same as any other in game item, and never will be. They are unique, and hiding behind a "we want all items to be the same" facade is complete bs.
For the record, I have very little sympathy for the person who lost the plex, it was a dumb move. I don't think arguments that use the terms "legal", "fraud", "EULA" etc are accurate, because, IMO, CCP haven't technically done anything wrong. All I would say is that the moral standpoint is quite fuzzy. I'm not happy that ccp are taking $1000 from the playerbase for gametime, and not providing that gametime. And I don't want to hear that **** about "CCP fulfilled their part of the transaction blah blah". 100% drop rate would mot be too much to ask for an item which is absolutely unique.
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Makar Kravchenko
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Posted - 2010.08.08 00:07:00 -
[111]
GET IN THE CAR NOW, STAN!
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Adacia Calla
Minmatar Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2010.08.08 00:14:00 -
[112]
When CCP implemented the change, they didn't think there was anyone as stupid as this guy.
As said many times already, darwin was right.
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Avon
Caldari Versatech Co. Blade.
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Posted - 2010.08.08 00:21:00 -
[113]
Originally by: Rowbin Hod They are unique, ... 100% drop rate would not be too much to ask for an item which is absolutely unique.
Which one of the 74 in the stack was the unique one? Signature removed, please only use English on the forums. Zymurgist Okay sweet-cheeks xxx. Avon |
GateScout
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Posted - 2010.08.08 00:22:00 -
[114]
Edited by: GateScout on 08/08/2010 00:22:22 Awesome. Simply awesome.
Moving PLEX in a kestral while war dec'd.
That's priceless.
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Demitrios
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.08.08 00:48:00 -
[115]
Originally by: Wave Nagai
Originally by: Aessoroz Over $1000 down the drain.
Not exactly. It goes straight into CCP's wallet.
Soooo, yea, down the drain.
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Apollo Gabriel
Domini Lex Talionis Etherium Cartel
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Posted - 2010.08.08 00:50:00 -
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I have no direct knowledge of how they work now, but you should get a warning when you undock if you have plex in your cargo.
If you do not, then CCP should fix it now. You get warnings for slaves, etc ...
If I had to guess, I would say they guy did a control + A and undocked, not thinking for a moment...
Horrifying, truly horrifying. Real Cash shouldn't burn in game. TO CCP: The implicit promise of polished quality keeps me playing through the rough times. Don't let the Trolls keep you from your goals. |
Bacon Slapper
Minmatar Red Federation
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Posted - 2010.08.08 00:54:00 -
[117]
So.. according to some of the posters here. If I pay 20 dollars to play paintball on a companies fields/scenarios for the day, 50 for paintballs and CO2 or nitro. Walk to the fort - capture the flag course and decide to casually dance up to the fort while listening to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjW1iq4IO2k on my walkman before being cut down in an overwhelming hail of flying paint. I can accuse the company of fraud because I have to sit out for an hour or until the match ends, instead of playing paintball. I can probably get like 5 bucks back, or they go to jail!! Thanks for the tip guys!
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RifterDrifter
They Found Oil On Your Anus
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Posted - 2010.08.08 00:55:00 -
[118]
Originally by: Apollo Gabriel I have no direct knowledge of how they work now, but you should get a warning when you undock if you have plex in your cargo.
He didn't undock, he got popped by Wartargets after warping to 4-4 before he could dock. _______________________________________________
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veltorse
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Posted - 2010.08.08 00:58:00 -
[119]
CCP gains money from people buying gtc's and turning them into plex or actually paying for 2 plex's from the site
people who sell the said plex make isk
this guy who most likely bought all the plex's to sell at other places to earn profit just lossed 22bil isk and now feels the same way as some one who lost a Titan
until either He or a corp who knows what exactly happened or ccp's can actually verify what happened it stands as
CCP=win people(s) who sold the plex's= win dumb**** who undocked with 22bil worth of cargo in jita in something that so fragile= epic lose
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Anitta Blake
Reikoku IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.08.08 01:04:00 -
[120]
I fully support the change in Game Mechanics that removed the restriction on undocking from a station with a PLEX making them a Destroyable item.
but given the the number of 30 day Pilot's License's that may be Destroyed as a result of the new mechanics adding up to thousands of dollars.
I feel cpp should give a percentage of the profit in this case to a charity due the the fact it no longer has to honor 30 days of game time that was paid up front when the plex was purchased.
add your support for this proposal
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