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Albetta
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Posted - 2010.08.07 22:38:00 -
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Incarna? Sweet. Dust 514? Sound fantastic. BUT I CAN WAIT. Look, so far i see only two types of people, RP'ing carebears who cannot wait for Incarna, and for a lesser part Dust, and hardcore PVP'rs who only give a damn about stuff that affects them. Both above parties are douche bags. If a game is broken, even if it does not affect you, it needs to be fixed as a priority. on the flip side, stagnation is death, and even if you fix every single minor and major bug, without new content, your game will die fast.
I hotly anticipate Dust and Incarna, but CCP, please, give them both a rest for a couple months and fix lag.
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Zerrov
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Posted - 2010.08.07 23:34:00 -
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I disagree a little. Even though I tend to be one of those PVP douchebags, I do see the merits in Incarna. But, I think DUST was a mistake. It is a gigantic gamble into a very competitive market when you already have a ton on your development "plate" with Incarna. Why would you not develop one at a time and see the impact on Eve?
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2010.08.07 23:37:00 -
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Right at the next roundabout. Then a left at the next T junction. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
Originally by: CCP Fallout Been there. Done that. Need antibiotics.
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Bhattran
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Posted - 2010.08.07 23:43:00 -
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Edited by: Bhattran on 07/08/2010 23:43:14 I see more than the two groups you point out but I agree 100% with your assessment that 'If a game is broken, even if it does not affect you, it needs to be fixed as a priority. Yes stagnation is death but I think we'd both agree putting the vast majority of possible and needed fixes/changes/re-balancing/etc on hold is a bad idea.
I don't think a couple of months is going to cut it but there needs to be more resources spent on fixing EVE primary and working on the player concerns ALREADY brought up by the past CSM's.
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ThisIsNotMyAlt
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Posted - 2010.08.07 23:45:00 -
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if theyd do that then there would have never been any new features since release and it would STILL have unfixed bugs. |
Atticus Fynch
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2010.08.08 04:03:00 -
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Originally by: Blane Xero Right at the next roundabout. Then a left at the next T junction.
Considering their indifference to us, right off a high cliff would be a good direction.
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2010.08.08 04:12:00 -
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Edited by: Blane Xero on 08/08/2010 04:12:25
Originally by: Atticus Fynch
Originally by: Blane Xero Right at the next roundabout. Then a left at the next T junction.
Considering their indifference to us, right off a high cliff would be a good direction.
Protip, there isn't a left at the next T junction
Hell, it isn't a T junction! _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
Originally by: CCP Fallout Been there. Done that. Need antibiotics.
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Ryhss
Caldari Ominous Corp Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.08.08 05:22:00 -
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Originally by: Zerrov I disagree a little. Even though I tend to be one of those PVP douchebags, I do see the merits in Incarna. But, I think DUST was a mistake. It is a gigantic gamble into a very competitive market when you already have a ton on your development "plate" with Incarna. Why would you not develop one at a time and see the impact on Eve?
Because IMO there can be no DUST without Incarna.(in order for them to interact I guess.)
Originally by: aratillion
LEGEN.... Wait for it DARY!
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.08.08 05:27:00 -
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Originally by: Ryhss
Originally by: Zerrov I disagree a little. Even though I tend to be one of those PVP douchebags, I do see the merits in Incarna. But, I think DUST was a mistake. It is a gigantic gamble into a very competitive market when you already have a ton on your development "plate" with Incarna. Why would you not develop one at a time and see the impact on Eve?
Because IMO there can be no DUST without Incarna.(in order for them to interact I guess.)
Which is why the rest of eve is on hold for 18 months. People biatched and moaned for years that ccp always introduces half baked new content so now that they are totally focusing on getting dust and incarna out the door with as close to a complete feature set as humanly possible they are now biatching and moaning about zomg I didn't mean ingnore MY part of the game.
You simply can't win on a public forum.
Ever.
Originally by: Balsak Eve-Online, the game that is so awesome people are willing to give CCP money so that they may have the privilege to bash it.
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Shade Millith
Caldari Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.08.08 09:20:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Ryhss
Originally by: Zerrov I disagree a little. Even though I tend to be one of those PVP douchebags, I do see the merits in Incarna. But, I think DUST was a mistake. It is a gigantic gamble into a very competitive market when you already have a ton on your development "plate" with Incarna. Why would you not develop one at a time and see the impact on Eve?
Because IMO there can be no DUST without Incarna.(in order for them to interact I guess.)
Which is why the rest of eve is on hold for 18 months. People biatched and moaned for years that ccp always introduces half baked new content so now that they are totally focusing on getting dust and incarna out the door with as close to a complete feature set as humanly possible they are now biatching and moaning about zomg I didn't mean ingnore MY part of the game.
You simply can't win on a public forum.
Ever.
I can't talk for the other people upset about it, but my problem ISN'T that they're concentrating on Incarna/DUST.
It's that they're doing it while there are so many things that should be looked at first. ------------------------
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Mecinia Lua
Galactic Express The Spire Collective
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Posted - 2010.08.08 09:36:00 -
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Incarna and Dust can be nice but we'll see what happens.
What we need is a big expansion with a lot of new ships and equipment. Kinda like a bone for all those that stuck it out.
A big expansion could include the following:
t3 Frigates t3 Battleships t3 Q-Ships (Combines features of Mining Barge, Exhumer, Industrials with some combat abilities if person chooses)
Introduction of t3 modules t2 Capital Ships ORE Capital Mining Ship----Larger version of the barges/exhumers, has maybe 4-5 hi slots for strip miners. (I would not give it 8 of them). Introduction of new Doomsday weapons Introduction of Subspace Rift Bubbles (Kinda like the warp bubbles we have now)....and new Interdictors and HICs to use them. Tachyon Burst (Kinda works like a smartbomb, with a radius effect around the ship using it, decloaks any ships within that radius....perhaps a % chance of decloaking depending on skill of pilot). Reintroduction of Mines for 0.0 (To fix the old problems take the coding of the warp disruption bubble, instead of stopping warp these instead deal damage depending on race, note subspace, mine and warp bubbles cannot overlap, Minefield possibly depleted over time as it does damage).
Thoughts expressed are mine and mine alone. They do not necessarily reflect my alliances thoughts.
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Mangala Solaris
Caldari Blue Republic
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Posted - 2010.08.08 10:14:00 -
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Originally by: Blane Xero Right at the next roundabout. Then a left at the next T junction.
"the second star to the right and straight on 'til morning,"
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Magnus Nordir
Caldari Nordir Industries
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Posted - 2010.08.08 10:28:00 -
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Confirming I'm an RPing carebear who can't wait for incarna and to a lesser point Dust 514. Enjoy your lowsec blobfests while the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of the players who don't bother with PvP or wandering out of hisec aren't affected by what you perceive as "lag", which is only the result of idiotic large fleet strategy in the first place.
CCP, please disregard the vocal minority for once. --------------------------- Only those who surrender are lost |
Admiral Pelleon
White Shadow Imperium
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Posted - 2010.08.08 10:38:00 -
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Originally by: Magnus Nordir Confirming I'm an RPing carebear who can't wait for incarna and to a lesser point Dust 514. Enjoy your lowsec blobfests while the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of the players who don't bother with PvP or wandering out of hisec aren't affected by what you perceive as "lag", which is only the result of idiotic large fleet strategy in the first place.
CCP, please disregard the vocal minority for once.
lol highsec. ________ Chicago players channel: 'Windy City'
Originally by: CCP Navigator Confirming that I am the best poster.
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.08.08 14:32:00 -
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Quote: Which is why the rest of eve is on hold for 18 months.
Every time you say that your ignorance shines like the north star. That goes for everyone. This is clearly a signature. |
Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.08.08 20:08:00 -
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Originally by: Shade Millith
Originally by: Zeba they are now biatching and moaning about zomg I didn't mean ingnore MY part of the game.
You simply can't win on a public forum.
Ever.
I can't talk for the other people upset about it, but my problem ISN'T that they're concentrating on Incarna/DUST.
It's that they're doing it while there are so many things that should be looked at first.
Thank you for the confirmation.
Originally by: Cipher Jones
Quote: Which is why the rest of eve is on hold for 18 months.
Every time you say that your ignorance shines like the north star. That goes for everyone.
Ok I'm sorry for not going into nitpicking detail just for you because you didn't read the blog and should already know this. Bugfixes and general housecleaning like fixing lag and some other stuff like maybe fixing rockets is still on the devs plate for the next 18 months. But any other major features like finally fleshing out fw or revamping the aging cosmos missions are not even going to be considered until they get dust and incarna out the door. In my opinion major features = rest of eve and they are not going to get worked on for at least 18 months.
I am fine with this as pretty much everything I do in eve works pretty well. Even fw as the free wardec pew pew part is still perfectly playable even if we don't use the official plex mechanics at all anymore.
Originally by: Balsak Eve-Online, the game that is so awesome people are willing to give CCP money so that they may have the privilege to bash it.
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Shade Millith
Caldari Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.08.08 21:51:00 -
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Edited by: Shade Millith on 08/08/2010 21:54:37
Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Shade Millith
Originally by: Zeba they are now biatching and moaning about zomg I didn't mean ingnore MY part of the game.
You simply can't win on a public forum.
Ever.
I can't talk for the other people upset about it, but my problem ISN'T that they're concentrating on Incarna/DUST.
It's that they're doing it while there are so many things that should be looked at first.
Thank you for the confirmation.
Confirmation of what?
Faction Warfare isn't MY part of the game, PI isn't MY part of the game, Lowsec isn't MY part of the game. And from what I've heard, they need polishing, and some parts of it need the shine badly.
And I'm not even going to bother mentioning the part of my game that IS effected, as its been said too many times.
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Quote: I am fine with this as pretty much everything I do in eve works pretty well.
So you accuse me of only caring because "MY part of the game", but you're fine with problems because they don't effect you? ------------------------
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.08.08 22:01:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Shade Millith
Originally by: Zeba they are now biatching and moaning about zomg I didn't mean ingnore MY part of the game.
You simply can't win on a public forum.
Ever.
I can't talk for the other people upset about it, but my problem ISN'T that they're concentrating on Incarna/DUST.
It's that they're doing it while there are so many things that should be looked at first.
Thank you for the confirmation.
Originally by: Cipher Jones
Quote: Which is why the rest of eve is on hold for 18 months.
Every time you say that your ignorance shines like the north star. That goes for everyone.
Ok I'm sorry for not going into nitpicking detail just for you because you didn't read the blog and should already know this. Bugfixes and general housecleaning like fixing lag and some other stuff like maybe fixing rockets is still on the devs plate for the next 18 months. But any other major features like finally fleshing out fw or revamping the aging cosmos missions are not even going to be considered until they get dust and incarna out the door. In my opinion major features = rest of eve and they are not going to get worked on for at least 18 months.
I am fine with this as pretty much everything I do in eve works pretty well. Even fw as the free wardec pew pew part is still perfectly playable even if we don't use the official plex mechanics at all anymore.
I did read the blogs and you are blatantly misquoting CCP to fit your agenda, and every single intellectually honest person knows it. This is clearly a signature. |
Thorian Baalnorn
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Posted - 2010.08.08 22:04:00 -
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Originally by: Magnus Nordir Confirming I'm an RPing carebear who can't wait for incarna and to a lesser point Dust 514. Enjoy your lowsec blobfests while the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of the players who don't bother with PvP or wandering out of hisec aren't affected by what you perceive as "lag", which is only the result of idiotic large fleet strategy in the first place.
CCP, please disregard the vocal minority for once.
I borrowed this from one of my post in another thread.
Quote: Quote: Here is an idea. Lets all quit the game because something that the vast majority of the games active playerbase have no interest in is broken. Will that make you guys feel better? Should we all cut ourselves now? Hell, we can all be emo together and show that dastardly ccp who is boss!Mad
I LOLed. Lets try an experiment. 1) Make a corp with an alt. 2) look up eve influence map. 3) turn each alliance that holds sov blue to corp. 4) fly around high sec and look at how many blues you have. 5) feel stupid. 6) EDIT: i didnt even include the dozens of alliances in 0.0 that dont hold sov such as those in the NPC regions.
Experiment 2: 1) go to youtube 2) look up CCP games 3) watch various CCP trailers 4) feel stupid.
*0.0 is what makes this game. *Fleet fights are the major selling point. epic fleet fights at that. *Most players you see in high sec: a)frequent 0.0 b) are 0.0 players carebearing or taking care of business in high sec( such as selling stuff from 0.0) c) are carebear alts of 0.0 players(i know a few players that have over a dozen active accounts) *Probably 60-75% of the players you see running around high sec have some regular interaction with 0.0 Then you have another 10-20% that are in high sec because they lost their 0.0 territory or couldnt afford to pay rent. Given a choice they would be back in 0.0. probably only 5-10% of actual people that play this game never have and never will go to 0.0.
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Sergei Le'Poof
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Posted - 2010.08.09 01:31:00 -
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Originally by: Thorian Baalnorn
*0.0 is what makes this game. *Fleet fights are the major selling point. epic fleet fights at that. *Most players you see in high sec: a)frequent 0.0 b) are 0.0 players carebearing or taking care of business in high sec( such as selling stuff from 0.0) c) are carebear alts of 0.0 players(i know a few players that have over a dozen active accounts) *Probably 60-75% of the players you see running around high sec have some regular interaction with 0.0 Then you have another 10-20% that are in high sec because they lost their 0.0 territory or couldnt afford to pay rent. Given a choice they would be back in 0.0. probably only 5-10% of actual people that play this game never have and never will go to 0.0.
You assume too much. Assume=making an ASS of U and ME(us)
Let's see: *0.0 is what makes this game. WRONG. WRONG. WRONG. 0.0 is "supposed" to be the endgame but not for all. Personally Iwouldn't give a rat's behind for nullsec. What my small corp possibly achieve there? Prostitute ourselves to an alliance and become someone's meatshield/pet? 0.0 is for "guilds" and I am using this word on purpose. Bands of friends, semi solo players have no business there. Low sec and even better WHs are where there are the most opportynity if fun foor a more diverse pool of players.
*Fleet fights are the major selling point. epic fleet fights at that. Wrong again. Maybe this is what had drawn YOU in this game. Some come here for the sci fi setting, the story, the RP opportunities eldom found in other MMOs, the chance to play succesfully as a lone wolf in an MMOs etc.
*Most players you see in high sec: a)frequent 0.0 b) are 0.0 players carebearing or taking care of business in high sec( such as selling stuff from 0.0) c) are carebear alts of 0.0 players(i know a few players that have over a dozen active accounts) a) This is partly true due to alts. The wrong part is the "most" part as that is a percentage ussually someone pulls out of their behind. b)See a) c)again see a)
*Probably 60-75% of the players ... Again you are pulling numbers out of your behind here and repeating yourself. You assume that because you play this game in a certain way, everybody else plays the same way or very similar to you. Wrong. WRONG. WRONG. I know many player who have never ventured to 0.0 and have no interest on doind so. Why? because there is nothing there for them. They enjoy either playing the game on their own or with a close circle of friends/family.
Now I am going to pull something out of my arse: Most people I know do not give a frak about 0.0, ergo most people in Eve do not care about lag in blob fest. There.
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Thorian Baalnorn
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Posted - 2010.08.09 01:58:00 -
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Edited by: Thorian Baalnorn on 09/08/2010 01:59:20
Originally by: Sergei Le'Poof BS
1) You assume you have a clue as to what you are talking about. 2) You assume a majority of carebears want to stay in highsec. Their are alot of carebears in lowsec and 0.0. In fact mostly carebears live in WH space. Which my sources tell me is getting rather filled up. 3) You assume this is farmville and everyone is happy just carebearing away in highsec. 4) You failed the corp experiment. Indeed a majority of people that run around in this game are in 0.0 alliances or alliances that move in and out of 0.0. Many keep alts in other corps for various reasons( such as getting around wardecs) 5) Epic fleet battles and 0.0 warfare isnt the major selling point? Thats funny. You better inform CCP that all their trailers are wrong. 6) You assume that 0.0 is one big lag blobfest. actually 0.0 is the complete opposite of high sec 95% of the time. Its rather quiet and fairly deserted and full of goodies. This is why the epic battles are epic. they are not the norm. 7) just because you know a few carebears that dont want to leave the kiddie pool dont mean a bigger majority than what i stated is highly inaccurate. 8) Well i didnt work up spreadsheets and analyze data for a month to come up with my percentages. Its an educated guess based on living in 0.0, lowsec, and high sec.I alone have 4 highsec alts i use for trading and i am about to acquire 3 more for other task. A very small minority of people will never leave high sec because all of the iskies is in 0.0 no matter what you do except trade and even that one is arguable since trading between 0.0 and high sec can be extremely profitable. 9) Margin of error is +/- 10%. Feel better now?
QFT and go make me some T2 mods. Thanks.
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