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Atticus Fynch
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2010.08.10 20:05:00 -
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I've been watching TV science shows and reading articles on Dark Matter and my conclusion is that they are all wrong.
For the laymen, the universe and galaxies seem to behave as if there is more matter out there than is visible. As if some unseen form of matter exerts gravitation influence over them. So someone came up with Dark Matter as a solution. Matter you cant detect, but is there.
I believe this is wrong. I also believe that there are properties of gravity itself that we are unaware of. We seem to understand gravity on a stellar scale. Apples falling from trees, planets orbiting suns and so on. But we know nothing about gravity on the atomic and subatomic scale. Likewise, we know nothing about gravity on a galactic and intergalactic scale.
I suspect that there are properties of gravity yet unknown to us on those extreme scales, and why we seem to be witnessing its strange influence on the universe as a whole.
If the graviton is ever discovered (a particle responsible for exerting the force of gravity) this may explain a lot of this mystery.
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dr doooo
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Posted - 2010.08.10 20:22:00 -
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I agree. In my outstandingly intelligent and expertly informed opinion, dark matter sounds like such a bodge job just to make the universe fit the limits of our mathematical understanding of it.
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2010.08.10 20:25:00 -
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In layman terms dark matter would be the water in the ocean and everything else is everything else.
Space currents hot and cold, maelstroms. Weather.
I'm more lay than you!
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2010.08.10 20:25:00 -
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The problem is not many are bold enough to challenge the gravity model of the universe.
The further we go into space, the more things we find that absolutely baffle us because that model never predicted them. So instead of questioning the model they were taught in school, they dream up all kinds of exotic and fanciful anomalies to make the readings fit into the gravity model.
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UVPhoenix2
Rim Collection RC Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2010.08.10 20:35:00 -
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Threads like this make me hard. I know how you feel. Material of this nature affect us all in different ways. What you need to do is learn from this. And this is just my sig. |
Issaries Valran
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.08.10 20:56:00 -
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Don't know about dark matter but there is a theoretical physicist the believes gravity does not exist.
Goes by the name, Erik Verlinde wrote a paper on it.
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Vogue
Skynet Nexus
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Posted - 2010.08.10 20:58:00 -
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Once my mums fella started talking to me about einsteins theory of relativity and the maths of it. I sort of nodded with a clueless smile lol.
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Exploding Tukey
Gallente Capital Construction Research Pioneer Alliance
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Posted - 2010.08.10 21:38:00 -
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Linkage
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DarthJosh
DEATHFUNK Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.08.10 21:53:00 -
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A series of tubes. -
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Unity Love
Caldari Dissonance Corp The Spire Collective
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Posted - 2010.08.10 23:26:00 -
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You sounds American.
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Boonaki
Caldari DEATHFUNK Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.08.11 03:31:00 -
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My favorite current theory is that our universe exists inside another universes wormhole. Gravity is bleeding through our universe into the other one. It sort of explains why gravity is so weak and why the universe is still expanding even though it should be collapsing.
I think the ultimate technology we will be able to change the laws of physics in our universe. Example, changing the speed of light from 299,792,458 meters per second to 299,792,458,000,000,000,000 meters per second. Then we could travel a fraction of that speed, cross interstellar distances and not have to worry about the relativistic effects on the crew.
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Atticus Fynch
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2010.08.11 04:22:00 -
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Originally by: Professor Tarantula The problem is not many are bold enough to challenge the gravity model of the universe.
The further we go into space, the more things we find that absolutely baffle us because that model never predicted them. So instead of questioning the model they were taught in school, they dream up all kinds of exotic and fanciful anomalies to make the readings fit into the gravity model.
Exactly. Physicists really hold on to "laws" once established without question. Sometimes you have to think outside the box "like Einstein" and often the truth is stranger than fiction.
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Haxfar Portlaind
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Posted - 2010.08.11 07:46:00 -
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ehhmm... Please remember that dark energy and dark matter isn't the same. As far as i can see you have mixed up the two. Dark energy is what challenge what we know about gravity.
Though, a new theory suggest that calculating with DE might be necessary anymore. Something that we are simply placed in a very empty part of space, and there for i seems for us that the universe is expanding or something along that.
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Smooth Shoperator
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Posted - 2010.08.11 08:35:00 -
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Science is a fallacy.
Science guy 1: hey, we discovered this new thing Science guy 2, years later: hey, we discovered this new thing that disproves what science guy 1 said Science guy 3, years later: hey, we discovered this new thing that disproves everything science guy 1 and 2 said
and so on.
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adfadfadfawe
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Posted - 2010.08.11 09:08:00 -
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Water, fire, air and dirt ****ing magnets, how do they work? And I don't wanna talk to a scientist Y'all mother****ers lying, and getting me ****ed
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Ressiv
Cooperative Freelance Navigators Association
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Posted - 2010.08.11 09:17:00 -
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This is around for a while now, you might like these links.
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Then again, he's not regarded very high by scientists around the world.
And then there is this.
I doubt we'll get a definite answer in the next few decades, unless Einstein Mk2 comes around. ========================== Nothing is true, everything is permitted. ========================== |
Thuranni
The Dark Space Initiative Revival Of The Talocan Empire
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Posted - 2010.08.11 09:42:00 -
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I'm glad that you've reached this conclusion, we need to contact the world's leading physicists and inform them that forums poster Atticus Fynch has come to the conclusion that they're wrong and stupid, because he has been watching TV science shows and reading articles on Dark Matter.
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Atticus Fynch
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2010.08.11 11:11:00 -
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Originally by: Thuranni I'm glad that you've reached this conclusion, we need to contact the world's leading physicists and inform them that forums poster Atticus Fynch has come to the conclusion that they're wrong and stupid, because he has been watching TV science shows and reading articles on Dark Matter.
Ah my young Thuranni, armchair physics is a hobby of mine. No, I'm not a PhD. But I am knowledgeable enough to come to some thoughtful conclusions.
Remember, Einstein was a patent office clerk and had EVE been around then, he probably would have played it too....and *****ed about how it doesnt behave like the real universe. You don't have to put on airs to have a contemplative mind.
I also have the advantage that I dont have to worry about looking bad in front of my peers. There are ALOT of ego-wars going on in the science community. Everyone wants to make their mark.
Thank God for the thought experiment and simple programming tools. I could never afford a real lab.
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Steve Zodiak
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Posted - 2010.08.11 11:58:00 -
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Edited by: Steve Zodiak on 11/08/2010 12:00:10
Originally by: Smooth Shoperator Science is a fallacy.
Science guy 1: hey, we discovered this new thing Science guy 2, years later: hey, we discovered this new thing that disproves what science guy 1 said Science guy 3, years later: hey, we discovered this new thing that disproves everything science guy 1 and 2 said
and so on.
First Guy û S******e ! Gravity sucks too much in mien theory, zere must be something else out there sucking ze ozzer way. IÆll call it a ôcosmological constantö
Second Guy û That first guy is wrong, buy my book to see why
First Guy - S******e!
Third Guy û hang on, I cant get the math to work in this new theory of mine, there must be something else out there to make it all add up. IÆll call it ôdark energyö. Hmm, thatÆs a catchy title for a TV series
Fourth guy puts advert in paper:
ôWanted
Multi-level deep underground lab w/rock lined interior and spacious caverns Prefer charming rural setting w/unimpeded views of the universe Neutrino detectors, dark matter traps, clean rooms and easy access to the Pub a plus
Oh, and a Government Grant would be nice"
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Kehro Urgus
Gallente Ab Obice Saevior
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Posted - 2010.08.11 12:04:00 -
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Edited by: Kehro Urgus on 11/08/2010 12:05:21 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strangelet
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Ressiv
Cooperative Freelance Navigators Association
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Posted - 2010.08.11 12:04:00 -
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Just forget it people ... gravity is a myth ... the earth sucks ========================== Nothing is true, everything is permitted. ========================== |
Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2010.08.11 13:19:00 -
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Originally by: Smooth Shoperator Science is a fallacy.
Science guy 1: hey, we discovered this new thing Science guy 2, years later: hey, we discovered this new thing that disproves what science guy 1 said Science guy 3, years later: hey, we discovered this new thing that disproves everything science guy 1 and 2 said
and so on.
We're a herd animal, if anyone is out of line we let him know it, just like any other animal. If you want to be the albino it comes at a cost.
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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Dray
Caldari Euphoria Released HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.08.11 20:45:00 -
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Originally by: Atticus Fynch I've been watching TV science shows and reading articles on Dark Matter and my conclusion is that they are all wrong.
For the laymen, the universe and galaxies seem to behave as if there is more matter out there than is visible. As if some unseen form of matter exerts gravitation influence over them. So someone came up with Dark Matter as a solution. Matter you cant detect, but is there.
I believe this is wrong. I also believe that there are properties of gravity itself that we are unaware of. We seem to understand gravity on a stellar scale. Apples falling from trees, planets orbiting suns and so on. But we know nothing about gravity on the atomic and subatomic scale. Likewise, we know nothing about gravity on a galactic and intergalactic scale.
I suspect that there are properties of gravity yet unknown to us on those extreme scales, and why we seem to be witnessing its strange influence on the universe as a whole.
If the graviton is ever discovered (a particle responsible for exerting the force of gravity) this may explain a lot of this mystery.
To be fair most physicists aren't too keen on dark matter, but the problem lies in the fact that there is too much not understood about gravity and how it affects the universe at all levels, while black holes are well documented and understood (to a degree) they absolutely terrify most physicists because of what happens at the singularity, at the sub atomic level it all falls to pieces and trying to find a uniting theory is the holy grail for physics atm but I'd bet good money that only a handful think it might happen in their life time, while it's a pain that here's so much we don't know I sleep easier in the knowledge that a lot of the big brains out there are humble enough to admit they just don't know but are trying to find out.
If you think gravity is bad, try playing with infinity and how it affects mathematics.
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LordSwift
Caldari Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.08.12 02:44:00 -
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*7 rubs head my brain hurts. but good arguments. oh whats this grey substance coming out my ears.
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KoffeeKup
Caldari Adderberry Sspectre
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Posted - 2010.08.12 03:25:00 -
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My opinion? Gravity isn't a force. It exerts force on mass in space, but isn't a force. There's lots of stuff I've thought of that don't make much sense. Like how the universe is going to end by getting sucked into super black holes larger than galaxies and space time stretching and stuff. I just need to figure it all out and become rich and famous.
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Taedrin
Gallente White Haven Corp
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Posted - 2010.08.12 23:30:00 -
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Saying that you suspect that there are properties of gravity that we are unaware of is stating the obvious.
Currently Quantum Mechanics and Relativity disagree with each other over the properties of gravity. Reconciling these differences is one of the most important tasks currently being undertaken by physicists.
Dark matter is simply the theory that states that there is much more gravity observed than the observed amount of matter should be capable of producing. The obvious conclusion is that there must be more matter out there that we can not detect. Originally this "dark matter" was thought to be made out of ordinary matter that is difficult to observe - black holes, neutron stars, very old (and dim) white/brown dwarf stars. Further observation has determined that these sources of "dark matter" are not enough to account for more than 10% of the unaccounted matter).
The other possibility is that there is a large amount of matter out there which either does not interact with other matter, or only interacts very weakly. The most likely candidate for this matter are neutrinos - which either do not interact with ordinary matter except via gravity (called "sterile neutrinos") or only interact very weakly.
ANyways, long story short, we know very little, and we continue on our search for knowledge. ----------
Originally by: Dr Fighter "how do you know when youve had a repro accident"
Theres modules missing and morphite in your mineral pile.
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Jhagiti Tyran
Invicta.
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Posted - 2010.08.13 00:21:00 -
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I have been watching some episodes of SG1 and Star trek and read some comics and my conclusion is also that many scientific theories are also wrong, also having spent two years in the army cadets and played many RTS games over the years including Company of heroes and all of the C&C series I conclude that the US and British armies are making stupid tactical errors and could win the war in Afghanistan in a few months if they took my proposals on board.
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Cat o'Ninetails
Caldari Rancer Defence League Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.08.13 00:26:00 -
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on a related note, i think helium balloons prove that gravity does not exist quite conclusively lol
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stoicfaux
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Posted - 2010.08.13 00:39:00 -
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Dark Matter is just a placeholder until we can get enough information to determine where/what the predicted/expected mass should be, or if we need to update our theories.
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VanNostrum
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Posted - 2010.08.13 12:56:00 -
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In another theory, although gravity is much weaker compared to say electromagnetism, gravitons can pass through membranes (membrane theory) If membrane theory comes to be correct, the unseen forces in our universe (where nothing appears to be) could be caused by massive objects in other membranes.
Although we can never travel to other membranes, if gravitons do travel between membranes we will be able to use gravitons to send messages to other membranes in something like a morse code, as Michio Kaku suggests.
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