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Lubricated
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Posted - 2010.08.10 22:10:00 -
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Do we have people who protest strippers......and the strippers fught back!
http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2010/08/09/of-ire-and-brimstone.html?sid=101
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TimMc
Brutal Deliverance Art of Defiance
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Posted - 2010.08.10 23:10:00 -
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Not really fighting, but still funny.
Shame they are using the old "fire and brimstone" line rather than trying to help the girls.
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dr doooo
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Posted - 2010.08.10 23:51:00 -
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I think the link may be only in the US to. No server found
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Olleybear
Minmatar I R' Carebear
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Posted - 2010.08.11 00:10:00 -
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For those that cant read the linked article:
People at the church have been protesting outside of a strip club for the last 4 years. Holding signs, taking pictures of the strip club customers liscense plates and posting them online. Typical stuff for people that hate others for not thinking like they do.
After 4 years of this, the strippers got tired of it and protested outside of the church in bikinis. They had a barbecue going as well.
Welcome to my country, the good ole' USA. I wonder when the witch burnings are going to start up again...
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Simply Humus
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Posted - 2010.08.11 00:13:00 -
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Edited by: Simply Humus on 11/08/2010 00:13:53 Religion is everywhere, not just America. |
Zedic
Amarr Universalis Imperium
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Posted - 2010.08.11 03:09:00 -
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Originally by: Simply Humus Edited by: Simply Humus on 11/08/2010 00:13:53 Religion is everywhere, not just America.
We just make a bigger ass out of ourselves with religion than most.
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Atticus Fynch
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2010.08.11 04:33:00 -
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Religion aside, stripping shows a morally lacking person. The irony is that you have the balls to strip but not the self esteem to feel you can do better with your life.
"Exotic dancer" is just code word for "stripper" which is code word for a "dancer that turns tricks" which is code word for a "pitifully disturbed soul."
I love the ones that say "I strip to get through college." That's like saying "I drug deal so I can get through pharmacy school."
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adfadfadfawe
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Posted - 2010.08.11 07:07:00 -
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I don't like to disparage the hard work of others, but those strippers aren't particularly attractive. There is an ever decreasing number of rebellious teenage girls with daddy issues. Today's men are failing as fathers.
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Ressiv
Cooperative Freelance Navigators Association
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Posted - 2010.08.11 08:42:00 -
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Originally by: Olleybear
Welcome to my country, the good ole' USA. I wonder when the witch burnings are going to start up again...
Nah, thats old .. they call it terrorism now. ========================== Nothing is true, everything is permitted. ========================== |
Simeon Tor
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Posted - 2010.08.11 09:35:00 -
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Originally by: Atticus Fynch
I love the ones that say "I strip to get through college." That's like saying "I drug deal so I can get through pharmacy school."
Interesting. You paired drugs with pharmaceuticals in that sentence, you also paired stripping with college, are we to assume that you see college as stripper school?
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Maiahn
Minmatar House Mjollnir Stygian Enclave
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Posted - 2010.08.11 09:56:00 -
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Originally by: Simeon Tor
Originally by: Atticus Fynch
I love the ones that say "I strip to get through college." That's like saying "I drug deal so I can get through pharmacy school."
Interesting. You paired drugs with pharmaceuticals in that sentence, you also paired stripping with college, are we to assume that you see college as stripper school?
Indeed... I fail to see the analogy.
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TimMc
Brutal Deliverance Art of Defiance
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Posted - 2010.08.11 10:05:00 -
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Originally by: Atticus Fynch Religion aside, stripping shows a morally lacking person. The irony is that you have the balls to strip but not the self esteem to feel you can do better with your life.
"Exotic dancer" is just code word for "stripper" which is code word for a "dancer that turns tricks" which is code word for a "pitifully disturbed soul."
I love the ones that say "I strip to get through college." That's like saying "I drug deal so I can get through pharmacy school."
I agree, but you cannot be moral without being religious in some degree. Without religion there is no reason for believing anything is wrong.
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Malcanis
Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.08.11 10:10:00 -
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Originally by: TimMc
I agree, but you cannot be moral without being religious in some degree. Without religion there is no reason for believing anything is wrong.
Sorry, but that just is not true. In fact I would say that there is no obvious correlation between religion and morals other than that some religious people assert that there is. There's certainly no evidence to show that being religious makes people act more morally. |
Vogue
Skynet Nexus
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Posted - 2010.08.11 10:43:00 -
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Edited by: Vogue on 11/08/2010 10:47:40 Edited by: Vogue on 11/08/2010 10:43:31 Religion is down to an individuals interpretation of it. Though in the case of some people who use religion to complement their own divisive powermongering agenda they think along these lines:-
You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do
One persons 'moral's' can be another man's evil vices. So 'morality' is not a universal constant measuring ruler for all.
The top dudes the various religous orders broadly say that religion should be charity and a willingness to make personal sacrifices to acheive that charity. For a powermonger, tyrant who uses religion one more badge of 'honour' the notion that they should make a visible, public sacrifice in the name of 'charity' is abhorent.
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Atedar Kerane
Silentium Mortalitas
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Posted - 2010.08.11 10:51:00 -
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Originally by: TimMc
I agree, but you cannot be moral without being religious in some degree. Without religion there is no reason for believing anything is wrong.
So, I'm immoral because I'm agnostic? Thank you for clearing that up. I'm heading out to commit adultery and eat babies. Have a nice day
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Atticus Fynch
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2010.08.11 10:56:00 -
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Edited by: Atticus Fynch on 11/08/2010 10:57:19
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: TimMc
I agree, but you cannot be moral without being religious in some degree. Without religion there is no reason for believing anything is wrong.
Sorry, but that just is not true. In fact I would say that there is no obvious correlation between religion and morals other than that some religious people assert that there is. There's certainly no evidence to show that being religious makes people act more morally.
I look at the end result. Morals are nothing more than ancient common sense. Do not engage in adultery...do not be sexually promiscuous....don't screw your camel...etc.
Why?
In the end it just causes unhappiness, pain and disease.
Eventually these ancient bits of wisdom become religious lore.
Every generation believes it knows better than the previous one. Right and wrong becomes something relative to the individual observer. Unfortunately we are not individuals but a part of a larger society and even your smallest actions will reverberate throughout it.
We glorify the playboy model and made an industry of ****ography, but the people involved in these ventures are so lost. Both the producers that are only interested in the money, and the performers that are often strung out on drugs and alcohol.
Children...the emperor has no clothes. See things for what they are and not for what the world wants to portray.
Strippers are a sad bunch.
The next time you see a stripper, imagine she is your mother or sister or wife or girlfriend. Suddenly the "show" becomes a question in your mind--"what happened to her?"
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TimMc
Brutal Deliverance Art of Defiance
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Posted - 2010.08.11 11:21:00 -
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Originally by: Atedar Kerane
Originally by: TimMc
I agree, but you cannot be moral without being religious in some degree. Without religion there is no reason for believing anything is wrong.
So, I'm immoral because I'm agnostic? Thank you for clearing that up. I'm heading out to commit adultery and eat babies. Have a nice day
Why not? If there is no God/gods/divine order then nothing wrong with eating babies or adultery, you just do what makes you feel good or promotes your future existence. Morality is generally not for your own benefit.
Not saying you have to goto church to be religious, plenty of people loath organised religion but still acknowledge some higher power.
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Vogue
Skynet Nexus
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Posted - 2010.08.11 11:27:00 -
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Edited by: Vogue on 11/08/2010 11:28:54 People who are atheist or agnostic do not necessarily have a moral hole in their value system compared to those who beleive in a 'god'. Instead of anchoring a value system around religous beleifs they might base their framework around cultural tradition of their ethnic background and institutions of power.
In the end its trying to craft a moral compass that will help guide you through difficulty with certitude.
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Ressiv
Cooperative Freelance Navigators Association
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Posted - 2010.08.11 11:33:00 -
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Originally by: Atticus Fynch
Children...the emperor has no clothes. See things for what they are and not for what the world wants to portray.
Yeah, by al means, please do. And stop adding your personal flavour on how things are while at it.
What you are saying here is that your mindset is superior to that of a stripper because in your world, strippers are a sad bunch. You then fail to present proof of why this is the truth, yet tell us to see things for what they are, neglecting to add: 'according to me'.
In this world, the experience matters. The choice on what to experience is yours. And yes, you have to live with those choices.
You choose to eliminate a lot of what there is to experience based on what you call ancient common sense. If that is how you feel about the issue, that is true for you.
If, on the other hand, someone does NOT feel that way, let them be free to experience for themselves and make up their own mind on the issue. I see no harm in people not taking 'ancient common sense' for granted and exploring the depth of human nature and life.
Fear is never a good arguement. If my daughter would come to me and say: "Dad, I'm gonna be a stripper! Exciting aint it ?", then I'd wonder about the motive, but in the end, it's her choice, and I can either accept it and acknowledge her as she is, or denounce it and alienate myself from her over some moral problems I have with the 'job'.
Personally, I rather have our relationship honest, which is not something you accomplish by ****ing all over her realitty in the name of ancient common sense.
And yes, I do have a daughter, and yes I care a lot about her. And yes, I try to do my best to make her aware of consequences her choices might have, teach her to think for herself and not take things for granted. She also has no self esteem issues.
If, for some reason, she would decide to go that way, I dont think I failed, like you obviously do when we look at your thought experiment. I WOULD be a little surprised and admit that I would be a little worried over her motives to do so. These are my problems tho, not hers.
If abuse of low self esteem would be involved, there is another issue tho. In that case, I clearly failed as parent, and have only myself to blame.
You are confusing low self esteem being abused by 3rd parties with freedom of choice.
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Atticus Fynch
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2010.08.11 11:45:00 -
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Originally by: Ressiv
Originally by: Atticus Fynch
Children...the emperor has no clothes. See things for what they are and not for what the world wants to portray.
Yeah, by al means, please do. And stop adding your personal flavour on how things are while at it.
What you are saying here is that your mindset is superior to that of a stripper because in your world, strippers are a sad bunch. You then fail to present proof of why this is the truth, yet tell us to see things for what they are, neglecting to add: 'according to me'.
In this world, the experience matters. The choice on what to experience is yours. And yes, you have to live with those choices.
You choose to eliminate a lot of what there is to experience based on what you call ancient common sense. If that is how you feel about the issue, that is true for you.
If, on the other hand, someone does NOT feel that way, let them be free to experience for themselves and make up their own mind on the issue. I see no harm in people not taking 'ancient common sense' for granted and exploring the depth of human nature and life.
Fear is never a good arguement. If my daughter would come to me and say: "Dad, I'm gonna be a stripper! Exciting aint it ?", then I'd wonder about the motive, but in the end, it's her choice, and I can either accept it and acknowledge her as she is, or denounce it and alienate myself from her over some moral problems I have with the 'job'.
Personally, I rather have our relationship honest, which is not something you accomplish by ****ing all over her realitty in the name of ancient common sense.
And yes, I do have a daughter, and yes I care a lot about her. And yes, I try to do my best to make her aware of consequences her choices might have, teach her to think for herself and not take things for granted. She also has no self esteem issues.
If, for some reason, she would decide to go that way, I dont think I failed, like you obviously do when we look at your thought experiment. I WOULD be a little surprised and admit that I would be a little worried over her motives to do so. These are my problems tho, not hers.
If abuse of low self esteem would be involved, there is another issue tho. In that case, I clearly failed as parent, and have only myself to blame.
You are confusing low self esteem being abused by 3rd parties with freedom of choice.
So you want a resume from me?
You have trouble understanding what I'm saying without proof? Go seek it out yourself. Visit prostitutes and brothels. Pay them for their time and ask them some questions. Visit some strip joints and do the same. See how many of these girls are actually sober or coked up while talking to you. Ge to know them long term and see how many actually have mental or emotional issues that need to be addressed.
Do it.
BTW I never introduce "fear" into my argument.
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Ressiv
Cooperative Freelance Navigators Association
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Posted - 2010.08.11 11:48:00 -
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Originally by: Atticus Fynch
You have trouble understanding what I'm saying without proof? Go seek it out yourself. Visit prostitutes and brothels. Pay them for their time and ask them some questions. Visit some strip joints and do the same. See how many of these girls are actually sober or coked up while talking to you. Ge to know them long term and see how many actually have mental or emotional issues that need to be addressed.
Do it.
BTW I never introduce "fear" into my argument.
You introduced fear when you said: imagine it being your mother or girlfriend. Thats using fear in a creative way, presuming people would fear their loved ones doing it.
You also just reinforced my last line: You confuse low self-esteem being abused by 3rd parties with freedom of choice. ========================== Nothing is true, everything is permitted. ========================== |
baltec1
Antares Shipyards Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.08.11 12:43:00 -
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Originally by: TimMc
Originally by: Atticus Fynch Religion aside, stripping shows a morally lacking person. The irony is that you have the balls to strip but not the self esteem to feel you can do better with your life.
"Exotic dancer" is just code word for "stripper" which is code word for a "dancer that turns tricks" which is code word for a "pitifully disturbed soul."
I love the ones that say "I strip to get through college." That's like saying "I drug deal so I can get through pharmacy school."
I agree, but you cannot be moral without being religious in some degree. Without religion there is no reason for believing anything is wrong.
Religion is responsible for the worst events in human history. As such I do not hold myself to any religion and get by just fine. Infact I am a lot more tolerant.
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Asarus Atreyu
The Kairos Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.08.11 12:51:00 -
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Originally by: baltec1
Religion is responsible for the worst events in human history. As such I do not hold myself to any religion and get by just fine. Infact I am a lot more tolerant.
Blamed, not responsible, in the last hundred years i'm pretty sure Mao/Stalin/H1tler have been responsible for more deaths than a bunch of happy-clappy Christians/Muslims.
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.08.11 12:59:00 -
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Originally by: Asarus Atreyu
Originally by: baltec1
Religion is responsible for the worst events in human history. As such I do not hold myself to any religion and get by just fine. Infact I am a lot more tolerant.
Blamed, not responsible, in the last hundred years i'm pretty sure Mao/Stalin/H1tler have been responsible for more deaths than a bunch of happy-clappy Christians/Muslims.
Well we have the firs second and third crusades, the witch hunts, the current problems with terrorism, the northern Ireland troubles, most of the civil wars and blood letting in africa over the last 60 or so years, the issue that is Isreal, The druids vs the romans, the current hate christians show towards gays ect ect...
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Tarasina
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Posted - 2010.08.11 13:59:00 -
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Edited by: Tarasina on 11/08/2010 14:04:19 Edited by: Tarasina on 11/08/2010 14:02:11 I am studying neuroscience and right now, particularly morality. Morality is not something we are born with, it is taught, by society, by teachers, the judicial system, our families, all our interactions with other people.
One of the big things about morality is emotions and feelings. How would this feel if it was done to me? The trolley dilemma is an interesting thing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolley_problem According to neuroscientists, emotions don't play a grand role in the first example (5 vs 1)
but...
If you add the footbridge dilemma(http://www.wjh.harvard.edu/~jgreene/ picture on middle of page on right side) you have to physically push the 1 person on the track or 5 dies. The Footbridge dilemma evokes MOSTLY emotions.
I would conclude that morality is learned behavior, reason and emotions interacting.
Heres a link to the scientific paper on it http://www.wjh.harvard.edu/~jgreene/GreeneWJH/Greene-et-al-Science-9-01.pdf
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Vogue
Skynet Nexus
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Posted - 2010.08.11 14:20:00 -
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Edited by: Vogue on 11/08/2010 14:26:59 Edited by: Vogue on 11/08/2010 14:24:35 People are indeed brought up to respect authority and the 'justice' that follows with it. But people are capable enough of doing bad things if authority tells them.
The Milgram Experiment asserts\shows that ordinary people doing their jobs without any particular hostility can become agents in a terrible destructive process. If they view themselves as a tool for carrying out some elses wishes. In a crisis someone might follow out orders to satisfy the needs of group hierarchy.
To be moral I think you have something to loose. And in my view that breaks down to tribal allegiances - social, family, religous, work, national, ethnic. If you think your tribal group could loose you will act to protect that. And that really is protect your own ass, and your tribal group's ass at the expense of the other tribal group.
The ugly mirror to this\us is news media. Feeding our wants, needs, and rivalries. We choose news media that is to us fair and balanced.. along own own 'moral' lines of bias.
There are no moral phenomena at all, only a moral interpretation of phenomena...
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So Sensational
GREY COUNCIL Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2010.08.11 14:23:00 -
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Edited by: So Sensational on 11/08/2010 14:25:12
Originally by: Tarasina Edited by: Tarasina on 11/08/2010 14:04:19 Edited by: Tarasina on 11/08/2010 14:02:11 I am studying neuroscience and right now, particularly morality. Morality is not something we are born with, it is taught, by society, by teachers, the judicial system, our families, all our interactions with other people.
One of the big things about morality is emotions and feelings. How would this feel if it was done to me? The trolley dilemma is an interesting thing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolley_problem According to neuroscientists, emotions don't play a grand role in the first example (5 vs 1)
but...
If you add the footbridge dilemma(http://www.wjh.harvard.edu/~jgreene/ picture on middle of page on right side) you have to physically push the 1 person on the track or 5 dies. The Footbridge dilemma evokes MOSTLY emotions.
I would conclude that morality is learned behavior, reason and emotions interacting.
Heres a link to the scientific paper on it http://www.wjh.harvard.edu/~jgreene/GreeneWJH/Greene-et-al-Science-9-01.pdf
I'd be careful (Well not really, it just sounded better this way) when expressing that view on here, you get jumped by the right wing nut jobs who can't grasp the concept that "THERE'S RIGHT AND THEN THERE'S WRONG, FOR EXAMPLE: SOMETHING I DISLIKE IS WRONG" might not be the absolute truth that they believe it to be.
As for strippers being immoral people? wat? ****ing cavemen, off my internet.
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Malcanis
Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.08.11 14:48:00 -
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Originally by: TimMc
Originally by: Atedar Kerane
Originally by: TimMc
I agree, but you cannot be moral without being religious in some degree. Without religion there is no reason for believing anything is wrong.
So, I'm immoral because I'm agnostic? Thank you for clearing that up. I'm heading out to commit adultery and eat babies. Have a nice day
Why not? If there is no God/gods/divine order then nothing wrong with eating babies or adultery, you just do what makes you feel good or promotes your future existence. Morality is generally not for your own benefit.
Not saying you have to goto church to be religious, plenty of people loath organised religion but still acknowledge some higher power.
Here I will just point you to Richard Dawkins "The God Delusion" where he answers your question in considerable detail. It's well worth the read. Personally I find some of his arguments in other sections of the book a little weak, but in the one relevent to this debate, he pretty much nails it.
tl;dr: You are flinging a giant insult at the hundreds of millions of non-religious people who live decent lives and do acts of kindness or bravery every day.
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Jago Kain
Amarr Ramm's RDI Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2010.08.11 15:45:00 -
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Originally by: Atticus Fynch ...The next time you see a stripper, imagine she is your mother...
I followed your advice, watched a couple of vids on a "special" web site and thought of Mummy.
I am now stuck in the house unable to go out and buy a gun to kill my Dad with due to the raging hard-on I have been sporting for the past hour or so.
Does this mean I'm a bad person?
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Atticus Fynch
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2010.08.11 15:54:00 -
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Originally by: Jago Kain
Originally by: Atticus Fynch ...The next time you see a stripper, imagine she is your mother...
I followed your advice, watched a couple of vids on a "special" web site and thought of Mummy.
I am now stuck in the house unable to go out and buy a gun to kill my Dad with due to the raging hard-on I have been sporting for the past hour or so.
Does this mean I'm a bad person?
No, it just means you've been watching that special website too much.
Here's a story just for you...enjoy: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38217476/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/
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