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Vlad Orto
Amarr Lockheed Martin Systems
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Posted - 2010.08.12 05:04:00 -
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In my travels across vast space, I have noticed a somewhat hatred towards the Amarr nation by the other races. Being a young Amarr, I do not understand the hatred towards my race. I have sent this message across all Com channels to find the answer I seek to better understand it all..Hopefully someone will shed some light upon this subject.
-Vlad Orto Industry, thrift and self-control are not sought because they create wealth, but because they create character. |
Kazzzi
Amarr Minmatar Ship Construction Services Damu'Khonde
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Posted - 2010.08.12 05:26:00 -
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Our Amarrian hearts are full of greed and we have doodoo in our souls. |
Kra RA
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Posted - 2010.08.12 06:25:00 -
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Originally by: Kazzzi MY Amarrian heart IS full of greed and I have doodoo in MY soul.
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Azure Blooder
Amarr A Miner Dream
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Posted - 2010.08.12 06:45:00 -
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Vlad Orto
The reason why we amarrians are soo hated is cause we cause alot of pain to others. Most of it is in the past, but alot of them still have a chip on their shoulders. Though not all of us are as bad as the rest of the galaxy makes us out to be. As long as you have your faith everything will be alright. Unless your looking at a rock for hours on end, then you might take up alittle drinking.
Azure Blooder, the miner ---------------------- Knowledge is power Power is Knowledge
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Invelious
Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2010.08.12 06:45:00 -
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It's only natural for the weak to lash out, hate those they envy, and those in power.
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Azure Blooder
Amarr A Miner Dream
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Posted - 2010.08.12 06:50:00 -
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Edited by: Azure Blooder on 12/08/2010 06:50:44
Originally by: Invelious It's only natural for the weak to lash out, hate those they envy, and those in power.
Isn't that the reason they hate us too, this outlook. And if they were truly weak, why do have to rely on them to cover my back while mining? I've always wondered that. Plus whenever i ask for cover by my own people they never want to help out. I'm mean really is it that demeaning to cover the back of a miner? I feel most of our people only care for power these days instead of the Faith, kind sad coming from a Amarrian. ---------------------- Knowledge is power Power is Knowledge
Nether is really important... |
Veshta Yoshida
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2010.08.12 07:03:00 -
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Amarr Nation? Some would interpret that as blasphemous but I am sure it was a simple error on your part.
The Empire is hated out of jealousy, ignorance or plain old spite. The misconception that the Empire is the big evil stems from the fact that slavery has been a part of the Amarr economic system, but it is changing albeit slowly. How it is inherently worse than slavery through debt/contractual servitude (The State corporations) or pharmaceutical/"entertainment" lobotomising (The Federation), is beyond me ... none of them yields much in the way of freedom of choice for the enslaved. The Republic had a good thing going and was well on the way to finding a way to avoid the errors made by others, but they opted for the tried and true dictatorship complete with internment camps and more political prisoners than you can shake a stick at.
In short: Amarr is disliked because it easier for the human animal to find fault with "the other" than itself.
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Minchurra
Caldari Feudum Chalybis The Spire Collective
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Posted - 2010.08.12 07:44:00 -
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You all have a peculiar smell of church pews about you, its nothing personal.
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Darth Kilth
Minmatar Daisho Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.08.12 11:26:00 -
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Religion tends to attract a lot of flak, your kinds total disregard for sentient rights by enslavement is also a source of much hatred.
Originally by: CCP Capslock OH GOD THE TESTING
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Ja'li
Amarr Cadre Assault Force
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Posted - 2010.08.12 12:29:00 -
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I for one hate them because I belive they hold the Kingdom back.
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Vogue
Skynet Nexus
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Posted - 2010.08.12 12:52:00 -
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The Amarr do things very specially there way. Deep in culture and tradition. A quiet but fierce pride simmers. Skynet Nexus has a beef with them for trashing us and casually walking away. They employ mercenaries of other factions to do their dirty work. Its cute, they avoid most of the dirt but reap the rewards. Indeed I think it entertains them to watch those of other factions fight each other.
Skynet Nexus is involved in guerrilla warfare against the Amarr state.
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Merdaneth
Amarr Galactic Rangers Galactic-Rangers
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Posted - 2010.08.12 14:42:00 -
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Most Amarrians believe they are better than non-Amarrians, and are not afraid to say it and act like it.
This causes notable friction. ____
The Illusion of Freedom | The Truth about Slavery |
Andreus Ixiris
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2010.08.12 14:57:00 -
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Originally by: Merdaneth Most Amarrians believe they are better than non-Amarrians, and are not afraid to say it and act like it.
This causes notable friction.
Yet this belief spurts the Amarr to further believe that it is others who must change to put up with it, rather than they who should change to moderate their behaviour. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Kaito Kenshin
Twilight Labs
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Posted - 2010.08.12 15:38:00 -
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Quote: In my travels across vast space, I have noticed a somewhat hatred towards the Amarr nation by the other races.
Quote: Being a young Amarr, I do not understand the hatred towards my race.
I would like to point out that me and most everyone I know doesn't hate your race. I know and respect many folk of Amarrian descent. You have it right in the first statement, in that we hate your nation--more precisely, your empire. And as long as it slobbers at the prospect of putting the shackles of bondage on a good portion of the rest of the cluster, that hatred is not only justified, but perfectly natural.
If an entity desired to destroy your way of life and make you a slave to someone else's only to dangle the prospect of freedom to your children's children if they become significantly brainwashed, wouldn't you hate it?
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Odelya d'Hanguest
1st Praetorian Guard
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Posted - 2010.08.12 16:45:00 -
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Most Amarrians are better than others. We brought the light of civilisation to the peoples, which were and are inferior by history and culture.
Don't get me wrong, we respect other races. After all, we are currently their largest source of humanitarian and spiritual aid; but we condemn the Minmatar regime. It is not only repressing its own people, it is threatening people everywhere by sponsoring and sheltering and supplying terrorists. And we condemn the Gallente. By aiding and abetting murder, the Gallente regime is committing murder.
We are not deceived by their pretenses to ôfreedomö. We have seen their kind before. They are the heirs of all the murderous ideologies of our time. By sacrificing human life to serve their radical visionsùby abandoning every value except the will to powerùthey follow in the path of Sansha ideology. And they will follow that path all the way, to where it ends: in historyÆs unmarked grave of discarded lies.
We are a people awakened to danger and called to defend our faith. Our grief has turned to anger, and anger to resolution. Whether we bring our enemies to justice, or bring justice to our enemies, justice will be done.
Vlad Orto, donÆt listen to outsiders, listen to the scriptures, listen to your people. The Empire is strong and that is all you need.
Amarr Victor!
Odelya dÆHanguest
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2010.08.12 17:56:00 -
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Originally by: Odelya d'Hanguest Most Amarrians are better than others. We brought the light of civilisation to the peoples, which were and are inferior by history and culture.
Actually, the Federation, the State, and the old Minmatar empire were doing just fine for centuries without your assistance, and although the Ni-Kunni were not particularly advanced, they were, by and large, possessed of a much better quality of life before you invaded their homeworld - today, the majority of them live in impoverished ghettos, abandoned and forsaken by the Empire that claims to love them. We Intaki had civilization and perfectly fine history and culture for millenia, and we were able to adapt to the much more technologically sophisticated and heterogenous culture of the Gallente within less than a century, whereas it takes the Amarr decades to accept each new innovation. You do not have some vastly superior history, culture or civilization - this is pure cultural arrogance on your part. In fact your culture is regressive, racist, prejudiced, dogmatic and backwards. At the very most it is on par with everyone else's.
Originally by: Odelya d'Hanguest After all, we are currently their largest source of humanitarian and spiritual aid
And of abject cruelty, abuse of inalienable human rights and cultural imperialism. I mean, the Federation's not exactly guiltless by the standards of cultural imperialism, but godDAMN!
Originally by: Odelya d'Hanguest but we condemn the Minmatar regime. It is not only repressing its own people, it is threatening people everywhere by sponsoring and sheltering and supplying terrorists.
Some of what you call terrorist activity is actually more accurately termed "guerilla warfare". Terrorism is terrorism if it targets civilians. Guerilla warfare uses most of the same tactics but exclusively targets military assets. Regardless, you invaded their territory unprovoked and enslaved them for nearly a millenia, and were only able to regain some semblance of freedom by a protracted and bloody rebellion in which they grasped some of what once belonged to them back from you, and had to fight tooth and nail just to retain that. Do you honestly expect them to just sit down peacefully after that?
Originally by: Odelya d'Hanguest We are a people awakened to danger and called to defend our faith. Our grief has turned to anger, and anger to resolution. Whether we bring our enemies to justice, or bring justice to our enemies, justice will be done.
You are in danger because you have brought it upon yourself. If you wish to not be in danger, you could simply renounce the Reclaiming and release all slaves who do not wish to remain in your charge. If Amarr is an enlightened civilization of peace and love, why does it need to launch military conquests of those it wishes to convert? ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Sakura Imoru
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Posted - 2010.08.12 18:46:00 -
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Originally by: Odelya d'Hanguest We brought the light of civilisation to the peoples, which were and are inferior by history and culture.
If you mean burning down entire cities and whole landscapes, eradicating every little bit of foreign cultural heritage by orbital bombardment with lasers: Congratulations, you almost succeded with that on Pator and Starkman Prime.
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Sibylla Aldanar
Amarr Crimson Dawn Industrial Coalition Bunny Nation
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Posted - 2010.08.12 19:18:00 -
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The other races of the cluster despise us for the Empire's evils...
They do not know that they are blinded by their immeasurable hate against the Amarr and they fail to notice the immense good that we have done and still capable of doing...
Yes, we have done great evil before and still do today, however these acts alone do not define us; rather, it is the totality that defines that which is called Amarr.
The races are not capable of only hate either; many among them have pure hearts and minds that rival even those of our own. Judge them not on their hate, but also on the totality of their being. Pity those who are full of hatred against us, for they do not understand us completely...
Amarrians should take heed and learn humility, pity, and forgiveness, if you have not already done so; unfathomable hubris will only pull you down into the depths of unending misery and incalculable pain. Learn from our past mistakes, so that we may emerge as people worthy as the Chosen of God...
"Chosen, you are first before God. You are the True and the Faithful. But in such a state must you hold yourselves high above all. And constantly prove yourself worthy of Gods Love. How can such a gift be repaid, Other than to toil all our days, In his glorious service, According to his will, Serving him always, Bearing him first in our thoughts, Always must we strive to show him our worth, For we are the Chosen, Blessed above all." - The Scriptures, Anoyia's Exhortation to the Faithful --------------------------------------------------
"Umintd cenir mana caita ento, frd Anar isintid ar Isil nß firnd." |
Avion Saberis
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.08.12 19:58:00 -
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Edited by: Avion Saberis on 12/08/2010 19:58:07 <hehehe> The main reason why everyone hates the Amarr, is simply. Your fat with riches, <smiles evily> and those riches much be liberated. <laugh insanely>
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I like to hide, then when the right moment comes, i go pew, pew, pew, then i go back to hiding, :) |
Vlad Orto
Amarr Lockheed Martin Systems
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Posted - 2010.08.13 00:09:00 -
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Thank all of you for answering my transmission...I now have a better understanding of why the other races hate our Empire..It is because of past actions and present grudges..I now have a better understanding of it all.
-Vlad Orto
Industry, thrift and self-control are not sought because they create wealth, but because they create character. |
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Thebe Pemba
Minmatar Mercury Mercenaries Inc.
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Posted - 2010.08.13 00:12:00 -
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Originally by: Vlad Orto Thank all of you for answering my transmission...I now have a better understanding of why the other races hate our Empire..It is because of past actions and present grudges..I now have a better understanding of it all.
-Vlad Orto
The question is, Amarrian, what will you do with the knowledge that you have gained?
Your informed actions will show what sort of a man you are. One bound by tradition perhaps? Or maybe one that wants to make a difference, no matter how little it may be.
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Vlad Orto
Amarr Lockheed Martin Systems
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Posted - 2010.08.13 00:23:00 -
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From what I have learned I will always do what I have been...I will keep within my circle like always...I know my Empire has bad seeds in it, but I am not one of them..But that doesn't mean that I won't defend myself if I'm attacked..But, I myself hold no grudges nor do I think I'm superior to others.. Industry, thrift and self-control are not sought because they create wealth, but because they create character. |
Thebe Pemba
Minmatar Mercury Mercenaries Inc.
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Posted - 2010.08.13 00:32:00 -
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Originally by: Vlad Orto From what I have learned I will always do what I have been...I will keep within my circle like always...I know my Empire has bad seeds in it, but I am not one of them..But that doesn't mean that I won't defend myself if I'm attacked..But, I myself hold no grudges nor do I think I'm superior to others..
A superb dodge. Might I suggest a career in the Amarr Certified News?
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Vlad Orto
Amarr Lockheed Martin Systems
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Posted - 2010.08.13 00:36:00 -
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I have been in space along time...So tell me more about this Amarr certified News...I have never heard of them.
-Vlad Orto Industry, thrift and self-control are not sought because they create wealth, but because they create character. |
Draco Carollis
Amarr The Dead Canary Mining Corporation Talos Coalition
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Posted - 2010.08.13 01:37:00 -
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Edited by: Draco Carollis on 13/08/2010 01:44:36
Originally by: Vlad Orto I have been in space along time...So tell me more about this Amarr certified News...I have never heard of them.
-Vlad Orto
They are the official news service of the Empire: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Amarr_Certified_News_%28NPC_corporation%29
Originally by: Thebe Pemba
Originally by: Vlad Orto From what I have learned I will always do what I have been...I will keep within my circle like always...I know my Empire has bad seeds in it, but I am not one of them..But that doesn't mean that I won't defend myself if I'm attacked..But, I myself hold no grudges nor do I think I'm superior to others..
A superb dodge. Might I suggest a career in the Amarr Certified News?
Tell me, pilot, how is it a dodge? Some believe that change can only come from external forces. Others believe that change has to start from within one's self. As you said yourself, it is actions that determine what sort of person someone is. How is a sincere internal change and personal actions any different from one acting to change others?
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Thebe Pemba
Minmatar Mercury Mercenaries Inc.
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Posted - 2010.08.13 02:31:00 -
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Originally by: Draco Carollis
Tell me, pilot, how is it a dodge? Some believe that change can only come from external forces. Others believe that change has to start from within one's self. As you said yourself, it is actions that determine what sort of person someone is. How is a sincere internal change and personal actions any different from one acting to change others?
"Within my circle". "My Empire". "...nor do I think I'm superior to others...".
These are not the words of someone who wishes to change others, they are ones of those who knows his place in a society that has a notoriously precarious ladder in relation to social status.
Saying "I know my place" whilst acknowledging the need for change doesn't instill one with much confidence. The intent is there, and is clear enough, but I doubt the motivation will take grip. He has had his capsuleer license a short while though, like myself. Time is the defining factor in cases like these, and so, only time will tell.
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Vlad Orto
Amarr Lockheed Martin Systems
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Posted - 2010.08.13 02:54:00 -
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As stated before I do know my place in my Empire and Society but that doesn't mean I don't want to try and bring about change....I will try and change the way that people see the Amarrian Empire...I will start with how people truly see me...I will show them how all Amarrians are not people who believe they are greater than others..That is the only way I can start..Then hopefully the word will spread that there are actually Amarrians out there that show respect to other races. Industry, thrift and self-control are not sought because they create wealth, but because they create character. |
Aria Jenneth
Caldari Resistance Project
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Posted - 2010.08.13 05:21:00 -
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Originally by: Vlad Orto ...I will show them how all Amarrians are not people who believe they are greater than others..That is the only way I can start..Then hopefully the word will spread that there are actually Amarrians out there that show respect to other races.
Ah-- but this is a part of where the suspicion comes from, Mr. Orto: if you do not believe yourself to be better than others, then do you really represent the Amarr?
The Amarr are the chosen people of God, selected to reunite all of humanity in service to the deity. Noble or commoner, few Amarr you speak to will disagree with this; it is elemental, or very nearly so, to your faith.
There are those who claim that you are born to rule, but that is not necessarily the troublesome part. The troublesome part is that you are born to serve-- to serve, that is, by bringing the rest of us into line.
In the end, the Reclaiming is key to the Amarrian faith. Even the most liberal Amarr will generally argue that it need not be pursued by violence, yes?
You are cultural imperialists, like the Gallente, only you don't preach warm, fluffy, secular concepts like "rights" and "freedom" that leave people feeling all warm and tingly, however naively. Instead, you preach service and duty to a religion virtually none of us share.
And if you do not do these things, these things seemingly so essential to the religion you practice, are you then Amarr? Or are you just another heretic-- one who doubts the holy mission, and thus detaches himself from the core of his faith?
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Odelya d'Hanguest
1st Praetorian Guard
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Posted - 2010.08.13 09:13:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris, you are at war with the Empire and expect us to listen to your bland propaganda? You expect us to listen to your lies about the Ni-Kunni? You expect us to believe on your concept of cultural relativism?
May I quote from another of your hate speaches?
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris But I look at the Gallente Federation's handling of the Caldari in the past, and the way it's treated Intaki and Jin-Mei, and I begin to see with horror that my own beloved Federation is guilty of essentially the same crime as my hated enemies - except it's forcing freedom on people, rather than slavery.
And speaking about the Caldari you once wrote:
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris You remember what happened when we tried to tell them they couldn't leave the Federation, right?
Do you remember? But facts donÆt seem to bother you much when it comes to speak about the Empire.
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris Anyone who reads more than a sentence of my posts will know that my hatred for the Amarr Empire and its loyalists knows no bounds.
Hatred has blinded you, but not us. I offer you refuge on my beautiful estate on the Island of Amarr. The priests there would welcome you and introduce you to exegetical readings and ritual exercises which could clear your mind to find love and peace. Return to God, abandon your lies.
Vlad, you were asking: Why do ôtheyö hate us? But you should have asked: What is expected of us? I ask you to live your live, and hug your children. I know many subjects have fears tonight, and I ask you to be calm and resolute, even in the face of a continuing threat. I ask you to uphold the values of Amarr, and remember our mission. We are in a fight for our principles, and our first responsibility is to live by them.
We'll meet violence and lies with patient justiceùassured of the rightness of our cause, and confident of the victories to come. In all that lies before us, may God grant us wisdom, and may He watch over the Amarr.
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zero2espect
Amarr ZERO HEAVY INDUSTRIES
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Posted - 2010.08.13 09:14:00 -
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let them hate, so long as they fear //sometimes less is more...zero
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