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So Cash
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Posted - 2010.08.12 20:16:00 -
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Originally by: Washukanni
Originally by: So Cash
I must question why this post was deleted... it was even posted by a ISD in response to Liang's comment.
Missing Comment
Can someone elaborate on what just happened here?
Good catch
Why thank you very much
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Stick Cult
Unspoken Autonomy.
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Posted - 2010.08.12 20:19:00 -
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Originally by: So Cash
Originally by: Washukanni
Originally by: So Cash
I must question why this post was deleted... it was even posted by a ISD in response to Liang's comment.
Missing Comment
Can someone elaborate on what just happened here?
Good catch
Why thank you very much
Do you typically screencap threads?
Originally by: CCP Tuxford my bad. Rest assured I'm being ridiculed by my co-workers.
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Lothros Andastar
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.08.12 20:22:00 -
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Originally by: Stick Cult Do you typically screencap threads?
He wouldn't need too, Chibba's EVE Search would have captured it too.
Also confirming that the big meanie Chribba, did, in fact, 100% not take any monies from me!
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So Cash
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Posted - 2010.08.12 20:23:00 -
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Originally by: Stick Cult
Originally by: So Cash
Originally by: Washukanni
Originally by: So Cash
I must question why this post was deleted... it was even posted by a ISD in response to Liang's comment.
Missing Comment
Can someone elaborate on what just happened here?
Good catch
Why thank you very much
Do you typically screencap threads?
No I just went to make a quote so I opened up the same page in a new tab and then noticed a differences in the comments so I just pressed back on my browser capped the post and then asked why the discrepancy was there.
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ISD Serathu Ashk
ISD Interstellar Correspondents
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Posted - 2010.08.12 20:35:00 -
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Originally by: So Cash I must question why this post was deleted... it was even posted by a ISD in response to Liang's comment.
Missing Comment
Can someone elaborate on what just happened here?
Hi, I'm Serathu Ashk, the Editor-in-Chief of the Interstellar Correspondents.
I've just been alerted to this and am currently working to understand what has happened. In the meantime, allow me to be clear in saying that the views expressed in the post do not represent the position of the Interstellar Correspondents.
With regards to the other issues in this thread, I'll respond to those where appropriate in due course.
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FatFreddy
ANZAC ALLIANCE IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.08.12 20:54:00 -
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Edited by: FatFreddy on 12/08/2010 20:57:37 You guys (ISD) should go into politics, you already got the painfully ridiculous NLP-lingo down to nearly a 100% perfection, combined with being amazingly incompetent, yet oh so sure of yourself.
Originally by: CCP Adida Removed a comment that isn't related to guild recruitment.
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Estel Arador
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Posted - 2010.08.12 21:10:00 -
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Edited by: Estel Arador on 12/08/2010 21:14:39
Originally by: CCP Wrangler The purpose of the news written by ISD is to report things that are happening in EVE, simply being reported does not mean that ISD or CCP supports or endorses any event that is in those news.
Though it may not be official support or endorsement, reporting on a business and featuring it prominently on the character selection screen has a HUGE effect on that business. My service has been featured twice, the first time there were about 7 users per day in the week before the news item, and 15 per day in the week after the news item. The second time there were about 13 per day in the month before the news item, and 22 per day in the month after the news item. The 1-month moving average has been above 20 ever since. (See the graph here, dotted lines mark the news items.)
In the case of TheBankOfEve, a substandard attempt at starting a bank (and I'm being very charitable using this description) got a lot of customers it wouldn't have gotten without the news item - customers who very likely will not get the service they might expect after reading the article (again, I'm being very charitable describing it like this).
In the other thread, I summarised ISD's actions like this: Quote: the consensus seems to be that ISD has been reckless and utterly stupid by reporting the launch of The Bank Of Eve as it did. A completely new player with a scrappy - almost non-existent - business plan gets credulously promoted as the up and coming bank without any hard questions being asked, and worse, general quotes from well-known and very respected EVE players get distorted as if they've endorsed this specific new bank.
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Aiwha
Caldari 101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2010.08.12 21:14:00 -
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Chribba doesen't own ISD yet?
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alittlebirdy
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Posted - 2010.08.12 21:16:00 -
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So whos f-ing us CCP moding a post with out saying so? ISD asking for it to be removed because, wow that is a writer?! LOL!
I never read the news, who the hell cares, anyone with a EVE tag on the forums CCP you better damn well understand players will CARE about what that person says... ah the fun drama! Fail all around!
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Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.08.12 21:18:00 -
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Originally by: ISD Najax Lergazin
Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: blind deathwish ISD subject regularly appears in forums and then disappear without trace.
I believe this is a time that players take a stand on this subject.
I call for CSM representatives to discuss the matter with CCP and decide if the playerbase needs such a service or not.
We do.
-Liang
and would you care to explain the audience how they manage to do more good than damage? Are you a scammer and are you planning to use their "service" soon?
Seeing as how the point of my post was to claim that we players do in fact "need" ISD, I'm going to assume that "they" is "ISD". ISD does more good than harm because they provide a roleplay news background - as well as potentially keep the rest of us up to date about titan losses and such. It's fun... I see no reason to get rid of it. Even if I do think they could have been a bit more circumspect about tossing Chribba's name around. ;-)
And I'm really confused about the scammer accusation. On the off chance that the ISD rep got totally confused and thought I was saying that Eve needs this banking service: no. We don't. The game would require a much more expansive contracting system before banking could potentially be a "safe" thing to do. I mean, I wouldn't use any banking system in Eve... do I look stupid? Wait, don't answer that.
-Liang -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter Blog
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Kewso
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Posted - 2010.08.12 21:27:00 -
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ISD is a joke anyhow, nothing more than useless spam nowdays
if CCP would remove the crap it would be nice not having so much useless clutter
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flakeys
DRAMA Inc
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Posted - 2010.08.12 21:30:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
ISD does more good than harm because they provide a roleplay news background
This specific item was as newsworthy as the guy who posted a 'Goodbey i am leaving eve'-thread the other day in general discussion and if the story had been checked it would have been obvious.Well until they actually published it that is , after that it started to become newsworthy.Now if the bank falls ISD can make a report on how their story coverage made an X amount scam possible.I sure want to read that story though.
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Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.08.12 21:38:00 -
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Originally by: flakeys
This specific item was as newsworthy as the guy who posted a 'Goodbey i am leaving eve'-thread the other day in general discussion and if the story had been checked it would have been obvious.Well until they actually published it that is , after that it started to become newsworthy.Now if the bank falls ISD can make a report on how their story coverage made an X amount scam possible.I sure want to read that story though.
Well, sure. I wasn't saying that ISD should post such trivialities as someone starting up a new scam... but it is nice for them to cover situations where a dozen supercaps get lost and such. Even major pirate/FW battles could be fun if there were enough ISD correspondents. Although, I am looking forward to ISD's news coverage of the bank "mystically failing" and taking billions in because of their news report.
And it will all be CHRIBBA'S fault! Such a scammer!
-Liang -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter Blog
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Stick Cult
Unspoken Autonomy.
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Posted - 2010.08.12 21:40:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: flakeys
This specific item was as newsworthy as the guy who posted a 'Goodbey i am leaving eve'-thread the other day in general discussion and if the story had been checked it would have been obvious.Well until they actually published it that is , after that it started to become newsworthy.Now if the bank falls ISD can make a report on how their story coverage made an X amount scam possible.I sure want to read that story though.
Well, sure. I wasn't saying that ISD should post such trivialities as someone starting up a new scam... but it is nice for them to cover situations where a dozen supercaps get lost and such. Even major pirate/FW battles could be fun if there were enough ISD correspondents. Although, I am looking forward to ISD's news coverage of the bank "mystically failing" and taking billions in because of their news report.
And it will all be CHRIBBA'S fault! Such a scammer!
-Liang
Chribba, time to break out that secret Damage Control III.
Originally by: CCP Tuxford my bad. Rest assured I'm being ridiculed by my co-workers.
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SencneS
Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks
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Posted - 2010.08.12 21:44:00 -
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Edited by: SencneS on 12/08/2010 21:44:42 I think that CCP and ISD are missing is that news in game give off the impression they are part of the game, which they are. As being part of the game it would indicate that CCP and ISD are pretty much endorsing this feature, but it works on a more "Suggestive" level then a player saying the exact same thing..
EBANK (Not this "excuse" for a Bank) ran a simple Banner ad on E-ON/Login screen, while at the time it was much more respected and supported by the community it received tens of billions of ISK extra from hundreds of players . One Thread about it is here. Just saying from past experience here.
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AtheistOfFail
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.08.12 22:53:00 -
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Originally by: alittlebirdy So whos f-ing us CCP moding a post with out saying so? ISD asking for it to be removed because, wow that is a writer?! LOL!
I never read the news, who the hell cares, anyone with a EVE tag on the forums CCP you better damn well understand players will CARE about what that person says... ah the fun drama! Fail all around!
You said fail. I couldn't resist. All i've heard from this bank worries me. Please stay away if you can.
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Louis deGuerre
Gallente Amicus Morte Shock an Awe
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Posted - 2010.08.12 23:26:00 -
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Posting in support of ISD, they do good and necessary work in EVE, and like all people, occasionally screw up.
If people fall for a scam bank they should do their homework better and HTFU.
So you guys and gals all keep reporting now, ya hear ? Sol: A microwarp drive? In a battleship? Are you insane? They arenĘt built for this! Clear Skies - The Movie
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RifterDrifter
They Found Oil On Your Anus
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Posted - 2010.08.13 01:04:00 -
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Originally by: Louis deGuerre Posting in support of ISD, they do good and necessary work in EVE, and like all people, occasionally screw up.
They literally ALWAYS screw up. There hasn't been a single report from them that wasn't either factually false or simply trolling.
And who could forget such master trolls like the interview of ISD with Skymarshal H.Ratli Smirks or the Interview with Pandemic Legion about their Fists of **** (that Interview misteriously disapeared later though) _______________________________________________
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2010.08.13 01:27:00 -
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I dunno, if ISD was gone I think I could still fly around and know what is going on in EVE just fine since that is what I do now and it works very well. - It's not "Play through a pre-set story, become stronger, do endgame". Gameplay is open ended, and you make your own story. Unless you're too afraid of 'pvp grief' to do anything relevant |
Etien Aldragoran
Legitimate Corporation
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Posted - 2010.08.13 01:38:00 -
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Originally by: ISD Serathu Ashk
Originally by: So Cash I must question why this post was deleted... it was even posted by a ISD in response to Liang's comment.
Missing Comment
Can someone elaborate on what just happened here?
Hi, I'm Serathu Ashk, the Editor-in-Chief of the Interstellar Correspondents.
I've just been alerted to this and am currently working to understand what has happened. In the meantime, allow me to be clear in saying that the views expressed in the post do not represent the position of the Interstellar Correspondents.
With regards to the other issues in this thread, I'll respond to those where appropriate in due course.
Hmm, an editor in chief of a news agency, in which being sponsored and published by CCP creates a position of power in words, not quite realizing that simply bringing light to an event creates a position on which the agency stands. Sounds like generic CCP, imho.
"Hey guys, we in no way endorse this bank, but why dont you read up on it."
It works both ways, too ya know? Report that Alliance A wipes the field with Alliance B in a huge battle making it seem like that alliance is all great and everything. Then you dont follow up on anything related to the conflict and those only informed by the news miss out that over the next two weeks Alliance A suffered loss after loss and subsequently failure cascaded. All those lovely news readers will still think Alliance A is great and Alliance B isn't doing so hot.
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Hel O'Ween
Men On A Mission
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Posted - 2010.08.13 09:22:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler The purpose of the news written by ISD is to report things that are happening in EVE, simply being reported does not mean that ISD or CCP supports or endorses any event that is in those news.
This is all good. But let me quote what I wrote in the bank's opening thread over in the MD forum:
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Plus, it's "official news at the login screen". I bet a lot of players aren't aware of the fact, that these news are made by players for players, meant to be both entertaining and informative, but nonetheless are just that: a player's attempt at a news article.
The question I have is: why was this "event" choosen to be "newsworthy"? As others already mentioned here, yet another (perhaps failed) attempt at opening a bank in EVE isn't something special and did happen before without receiving "public coverage".
Also, there haven been other (financial) events, such as Titans4U or the ownership change of One Stop Research, to just name two more prominent examples, which seem to be much more "newsworthy" than this one, given the business itself, the history of the business and the amount of money involved, which didn't make the news, as far as I remember.
Or, to put it another way, who has choosen to report about this venture? Someone from ISD/IC who stumbled across that posting over in MD? Or was ISD/IC approach by a player/that bank who asked for a news article (or even provided one himself)?
If the later, then a clever potential scammer has just managed to (ab)use EVE's frontline news to fuel his cause. -- EVEWalletAware - an offline wallet manager |
Goremageddon Box
Minmatar Guerilla Gorilla
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Posted - 2010.08.13 11:36:00 -
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this thread should be nominated for the most fail thread evar _______________________ Hottest Character Ever. |
RAW23
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Posted - 2010.08.13 12:11:00 -
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Originally by: Hel O'Ween
Or, to put it another way, who has choosen to report about this venture? Someone from ISD/IC who stumbled across that posting over in MD? Or was ISD/IC approach by a player/that bank who asked for a news article (or even provided one himself)?
If the later, then a clever potential scammer has just managed to (ab)use EVE's frontline news to fuel his cause.
The report was started before the MD thread. The 'bank' announced on their site that they were being interviewed by ISD about a week before the thread was started.
The report also gave a figure of 10 billion isk startup investment in the 'bank'. However, even the 'bank' only claimed this figure to be 2 bil. 400% margin of error ftw! Now that is quality reporting!
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Diabolick
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Posted - 2010.08.13 12:15:00 -
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Kudos to the guy doing the scamming tbh.
Not only did he create/recreate a scam and get it to work, but he got it advertised in a way all those Jita local wannabe's never could. Using ISD to promote his scam was pretty n1 imo. Chribba's name being mentioned was nothing but the icing on the cake and was probably ISD's doing. We all know Chribba never turn's down the opportunity to inflate his presence.
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Phenethylamine
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Posted - 2010.08.13 12:25:00 -
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Fact-checking is held to pretty low standards even in mainstream gaming journalism (IGN, Gamespy, printed magazines) so I can't say I'd be surprised if a press corps dedicated to a single MMO makes some bad mistakes from time to time.
They're reporting on games, not politics or economics, I think they can be forgiven for not trying to be BBC World News.
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flakeys
DRAMA Inc
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Posted - 2010.08.13 12:31:00 -
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Originally by: Diabolick Kudos to the guy doing the scamming tbh.
Not only did he create/recreate a scam and get it to work, but he got it advertised in a way all those Jita local wannabe's never could.
The problem here and what most are pointing out is that it worked BECAUSE of the advertisement.That is the key problem.
Making bad coverage about a 0.0 capfight i could care less about since only ego's get hurt by that.This however takes isk from the new and ignorant and allthough i know scamming is a part of the game and i have no problem with that in this case the scam would probably either not have happened or on a smaller scale then what it is now.
The only good thing could be that this news got out before he even get's more isk allthough a lot of people don't read the forums in the hopes his scam only gave hiim a small amount of billions.
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Bagrista
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Posted - 2010.08.13 13:21:00 -
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Originally by: flakeys The problem here and what most are pointing out is that it worked BECAUSE of the advertisement.That is the key problem.
Making bad coverage about a 0.0 capfight i could care less about since only ego's get hurt by that.This however takes isk from the new and ignorant and allthough i know scamming is a part of the game and i have no problem with that in this case the scam would probably either not have happened or on a smaller scale then what it is now.
The only good thing could be that this news got out before he even get's more isk allthough a lot of people don't read the forums in the hopes his scam only gave hiim a small amount of billions.
What people like you think/say happened: ISD forced everyone at gunpoint to use the service and give the scammer all his money.
What really happened: ISD wrote about a new service and asked Chribba to comment. ******s who believe everything they read anywhere saw Chribba's name without actually reading and comprehending the article, then proceeded to put all their money in said service and will never get it back.
I mean, seriously, do you people buy everything you ever see advertised? If you saw an advertisement saying "butt **** sale - $5.99 only! order nao!", would you rush to the queue and get yourself at least five of those? This is my annoying sig. There are many like it, but this one is mine. |
Hel O'Ween
Men On A Mission
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Posted - 2010.08.13 13:36:00 -
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Originally by: RAW23
Originally by: Hel O'Ween
Or, to put it another way, who has choosen to report about this venture? Someone from ISD/IC who stumbled across that posting over in MD? Or was ISD/IC approach by a player/that bank who asked for a news article (or even provided one himself)?
If the later, then a clever potential scammer has just managed to (ab)use EVE's frontline news to fuel his cause.
The report was started before the MD thread. The 'bank' announced on their site that they were being interviewed by ISD about a week before the thread was started.
This is not the way I remember the chronology of events. An indication for this is that the MD thread is referenced in the report, which is dated 2010.08.09 22:05:33, whereas the MD thread was started at 2010.08.08 15:43:00 -- EVEWalletAware - an offline wallet manager |
So Cash
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Posted - 2010.08.13 14:30:00 -
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Originally by: ISD Serathu Ashk
Originally by: So Cash I must question why this post was deleted... it was even posted by a ISD in response to Liang's comment.
Missing Comment
Can someone elaborate on what just happened here?
Hi, I'm Serathu Ashk, the Editor-in-Chief of the Interstellar Correspondents.
I've just been alerted to this and am currently working to understand what has happened. In the meantime, allow me to be clear in saying that the views expressed in the post do not represent the position of the Interstellar Correspondents.
With regards to the other issues in this thread, I'll respond to those where appropriate in due course.
I want to know who deleted that post and why? I didn't realise ISDs could delete posts and if they couldn't why didn't it just get edited rather than trying to cover up the tracks.
I think the Eve community would be pleased to see the disciplinary progress in the near future. In some sense we could almost interpret that ISD member "Flaming".
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flakeys
DRAMA Inc
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Posted - 2010.08.13 14:43:00 -
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Originally by: Hel O'Ween
Originally by: RAW23
Originally by: Hel O'Ween
Or, to put it another way, who has choosen to report about this venture? Someone from ISD/IC who stumbled across that posting over in MD? Or was ISD/IC approach by a player/that bank who asked for a news article (or even provided one himself)?
If the later, then a clever potential scammer has just managed to (ab)use EVE's frontline news to fuel his cause.
The report was started before the MD thread. The 'bank' announced on their site that they were being interviewed by ISD about a week before the thread was started.
This is not the way I remember the chronology of events. An indication for this is that the MD thread is referenced in the report, which is dated 2010.08.09 22:05:33, whereas the MD thread was started at 2010.08.08 15:43:00
From thebankofeve's own forum under news section:
'Interview with ISD Rhom Windfell (Eve News) Wenesday July 28th 2010
We had our very first interview with ISD Rhom Windfell of EVE News. This is a giant step forward for us. We're working to establish ourselves as strong and trusted banking institution. '
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