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Gouzu Kho
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2012.07.25 10:29:00 -
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http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/514_Chronicle
anyone have an idea what 514 could stand for, or who is attacking at the end ?
speculation time |
Roga Dracor
Mental Disorders Inc. Intergalactic Brotherhood
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Posted - 2012.07.25 13:16:00 -
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A centered triangular number is the only reference I can find, though I would tend towards a scripture of some sort..
And Sansha's Nation. That one seems pretty elementary to me.. |
Borascus
Red Core Paradigm Shift Alliance
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Posted - 2012.07.25 14:55:00 -
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Jamyl's reference to previous research and the quote: "Those implants carry the fragmented consciousness of the Sleepers within them," said Sarum. "In some of them, the Sleeper presence is so strong that it can overwhelm the implant's host" is more revealing than anything else.
Quasi-canon though it may be, due to it being unobtainable information from an in-game perspective, its tying up a storyline that beings entered a virtual simulation, opted for an amalgous environment collecting all elements of each contributor to obtain its final structure and that a malevolence was contained therein.
Sansha's use of "all beings function as one" is exactly the same way. Nation's research into the behaviours of capsuleers based on their deployed structures (at a time where the 4 Empires were chronicled as conducting military research by observing all pilot data simultaneously ) shows the same trend. Use of analytics as a stabilizer.
Good chron, Inferno led me on a wild goose chase comparing "the broker''s search and the abbrev. IN-06, but 514 pointed towards development and an agenda. Rare in these times :P |
Tykari
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
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Posted - 2012.07.25 16:34:00 -
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Roga Dracor wrote:I would tend towards a scripture of some sort.
I've been looking into the meaning of 514 as well, found the same things you have. As for scripture, there is one biblical line people have been tossing up.
Ephesians 5:14 Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.
In this dark void we are like brilliant stars, holding within us both the creative and destructive power to bring a new dawn upon worlds or plunge them into eternal darkness. |
Gouzu Kho
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2012.07.25 16:56:00 -
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Roga Dracor wrote:... And Sansha's Nation. That one seems pretty elementary to me..
Can you give your reasoning for this conclusion ?
I have to admit I had not thought about that option at first, but I'm not sure I see any particular signs of this being sansha.
My conclusion at the moment is the sleepers themselves. My other candidates have rather good reasons to either not attack or go about it some other way.
- the other would not attack as Jamyl is present. - Concord would have known about the meeting because there is DED security, so an other means of attack would have been easier and less messy. They are also in favor of spreading dust tech if it cant be contained, so they dont even have a reason to attack. - Jovians: orbital bombardments and sending in ground forces openly like that ? not their MO at all. - pirate factions/mordu/sansha: I cant think of a reason, even if they knew about the meeting and the tech being discussed. They would rather be trying to steal stuff. They would also not have soldiers without faces.
The only reason I can think of right now to attack this meeting is to attack the 4 heads of state themselves. And the only thing they have in common atm is abusing sleeper tech to create soldiers. Unless they where only after Sarum and the other, but that might have been a bonus. |
Roga Dracor
Mental Disorders Inc. Intergalactic Brotherhood
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Posted - 2012.07.25 17:12:00 -
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I am not sure I can offer a reasonable explanation without breaking my Dust 514 NDA..
Think Code D.. No orbital bombardment, just an EM pulse to shut down orbital defenses for a bit.. |
Gouzu Kho
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2012.07.25 17:26:00 -
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The lines about the pillars of lights and the sharp sounds that shake the earth as they go seem to indicate orbital bombardments to me, but I could be wrong.
And no need to breach any NDA ofcourse, its just fun to speculate a bit |
Horatius Caul
Kitzless
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Posted - 2012.07.25 19:19:00 -
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Roga Dracor wrote: Also, knowing how Latin is tossed around, we could substitute DXIV for 514, interestingly IV is associated with Jupiter..
Deus Ex Iove? Amarrad - Amarr language project |
Roga Dracor
Mental Disorders Inc. Intergalactic Brotherhood
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Posted - 2012.07.25 20:11:00 -
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As for the scripture, can't seem to find anything telling in the Bible, I would tend more toward Apocrypha or alternative religions.. Maybe the Book of Enoch or something Sumerian or Accadian.. Reference to Christ is non existant in EVE..
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Horatius Caul
Kitzless
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Posted - 2012.07.25 23:24:00 -
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Roga Dracor wrote:As for the scripture, can't seem to find anything telling in the Bible, I would tend more toward Apocrypha or alternative religions.. Maybe the Book of Enoch or something Sumerian or Accadian.. Reference to Christ, or Messiah, is non existant in EVE.. Notwithstanding Nation, which is the closest thing to Christianity in EVE..
Or maybe the four nationalist leaders themselves, who represent the aspirations and course of their respective Nations... Though, they rather fit the description of AntiChrist.. Well, there is the one from the Amarr Scriptures (really, just because Kuvakei calls himself a messiah doesn't mean the Nation is anything like Christianity)
Quote:"Which test reveals more of the soul, the test that a man will take to prove his faith, or the test that finds the man who believed his faith already proven? If you know this answer, then you also know which of these challenges bear the greatest penalty for failure. The gates of paradise will open for you one time only; woe to the soul who dares to knock twice." - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 5:14 Amarrad - Amarr language project |
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Roga Dracor
Mental Disorders Inc. Intergalactic Brotherhood
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Posted - 2012.07.26 00:12:00 -
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Yes, but, the Amarrians have no "third party" requisite for redemption.. It is wholely a matter of an Amarrians servitude to God. I have been reading the Mesopotamian religious texts associated with Sumer and Babylonian ideas of personal god relationship. Specifically those of the Enhuadanna.. And it's unique station as one of the culture's that connects pre-history with recorded history.
And also a seeming shift in the gender specifity of the culture. When a Matrician society shifted toward Patrician.. Or at least retreated from a pluralistic society to one more gender centric.
I would argue that the Amarrian religion has absolutely NO Judeo-Christian or even Muslim ties, whatsoever.. My strongest argument being the fact that a female sits on the Amarrian throne... |
Teinyhr
A Club for Reputable Gentlemen
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Posted - 2012.07.26 13:22:00 -
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Gouzu Kho wrote:Roga Dracor wrote:... And Sansha's Nation. That one seems pretty elementary to me.. Can you give your reasoning for this conclusion ?
Mine would be Occam's Razor. |
Istvaan Shogaatsu
Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2012.07.26 16:28:00 -
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Sansha, because they use lasers. Pillar of light means lasers, and clicking sounds in helmet = True Slave. I'd say.
If it were Rogue Drones, they wouldn't have attacked using humanoid forms. |
Roga Dracor
Mental Disorders Inc. Intergalactic Brotherhood
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Posted - 2012.07.27 11:49:00 -
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You guys should watch the Dust trailers.. Pillars of light and the following thuds are something hitting the ground, alright.. But, they are not munitions.. Lasers or otherwise. They are running when they hit the ground..
The miniturization that Sleeper tech allows has created a whole new generation of personal protection and mobility for the ground troopers in New Eden. Ships are not the only thing to benifit from the advances due to Sleeper tech reverse engineering. |
YuuKnow
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Posted - 2012.07.30 06:29:00 -
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Someone give this chronical some artwork please!
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Roga Dracor
Mental Disorders Inc. Intergalactic Brotherhood
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Posted - 2012.08.01 23:14:00 -
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Borascus wrote:Quasi-canon though it may be, due to it being unobtainable information from an in-game perspective, its tying up a storyline that beings entered a virtual simulation, opted for an amalgous environment collecting all elements of each contributor to obtain its final structure and that a malevolence was contained therein.
Sansha's use of "all beings function as one" is exactly the same way. Nation's research into the behaviours of capsuleers based on their deployed structures (at a time where the 4 Empires were chronicled as conducting military research by observing all pilot data simultaneously ) shows the same trend. Use of analytics as a stabilizer.
Learning from the Ancients |
Arkturus McFadden
Sonoran Shadow Black Mesa Complex
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Posted - 2012.08.02 02:40:00 -
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NDA won't let me comment. |
Sitreba Oonchevkii
Universal Freelance CONSORTIUM UNIVERSALIS
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Posted - 2012.08.05 11:47:00 -
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great chronicle, favorite by far. here's my question. Jamyl says "(the sleepers) may be even older then New Eden itself." What exactly is she implying? they were here before the terran? They are native to the cluster somehow? is it a metaphor? They see me trollin, they hatin. |
Roga Dracor
Mental Disorders Inc. Intergalactic Brotherhood
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Posted - 2012.08.05 16:23:00 -
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Your quote isn't completely accurate, but, my take on it was that "some" believed the Sleepers to be older than the human implanted civilization that is New Eden, not the cluster it is housed in.
Alternately, it could mean there is a belief by some in the scientific community, even reflected in portions of Arek Ja'alen, that New Eden is a construct. The original text and trailers referred to New Eden as a pocket universe. |
Borascus
Red Core Paradigm Shift Alliance
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Posted - 2012.08.05 17:58:00 -
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Roga pretty much nails it, and even though Architects travelling round for billions of years does seem to refute the http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Timeline in relation to the dates of events, it is still possible thanks to the wonder of manipulation - false recording and the Dark Ages of the timeline.
I tend towards the existence of "Sleepers" prior to the EVE Gate's opening, somewhat blindly, but observable in the timeline is that the Amarr are classed as Conformists (the same conformists that orignally settled Soekheviti, and were subsequently exiled), there are Tau Cetians buying Planets (from someone / a group), the remainder of the Unified Catholic Church (Amarrians/conformists were only a subdivision of this faith/docrtine) and Mega-Corporation/s.
At this point: the Conformists are the last to land on what is now Amarr, landing the same year the EVE Gate closes. BUT: all the prior information is classed on the timeline as: Forgotten Age (AD 2730 - AD 8100)
At this point the timline reflects no notation: The Dark Ages (AD 8100 - AD 16262).
It is only at the end of this period of "Dark" that the "first record" of civilisations emerging are found, Caldari have the longest "recorded" history in this respect.
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Tykari
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
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Posted - 2012.08.05 19:46:00 -
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Well the Sleeper civilisation, and by extension the Jove, is the only civilisation left whose origins don't lie in New Eden. They are the only ones (as far as we know) that survived the closing of EVE and the Dark Ages with all their knowledge intact and likely all their history. They are probably the only ones left with knowledge of Earth, the Milky Way and the various factions of those times. Sure the current Empires have some bits and pieces left, enough to form myths and hypotheses and to realize we all came from one common source, but that's it.
As for the Architects having been around for billions of years. In a way I suppose you could say that yes. In Templar One we learn that inside the Construct, their virtual world, the rules are a little different and time can function differently. That is why their technology jumped forward with such great leaps, inside the Construct, experiments lasting decades could be completed in far shorter times. In this dark void we are like brilliant stars, holding within us both the creative and destructive power to bring a new dawn upon worlds or plunge them into eternal darkness. |
Sitreba Oonchevkii
Universal Freelance CONSORTIUM UNIVERSALIS
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Posted - 2012.08.07 11:12:00 -
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Tykari wrote:Well the Sleeper civilisation, and by extension the Jove, is the only civilisation left whose origins don't lie in New Eden. They are the only ones (as far as we know) that survived the closing of EVE and the Dark Ages with all their knowledge intact and likely all their history. They are probably the only ones left with knowledge of Earth, the Milky Way and the various factions of those times. Sure the current Empires have some bits and pieces left, enough to form myths and hypotheses and to realize we all came from one common source, but that's it.
As for the Architects having been around for billions of years. In a way I suppose you could say that yes. In Templar One we learn that inside the Construct, their virtual world, the rules are a little different and time can function differently. That is why their technology jumped forward with such great leaps, inside the Construct, experiments lasting decades could be completed in far shorter times.
thanks again for a very detailed response Blod-red skies, strange beings, and the number 514, often written in blood. |
Roga Dracor
Fury Lords Intergalactic Brotherhood
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Posted - 2012.08.13 15:00:00 -
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Here's a video that shows your "pillars of light" and the associated thuds... Enjoy! |
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