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Del Vikus
Minmatar Torca Antiquities
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Posted - 2010.08.13 22:15:00 -
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I've been doing some BS ratting in nullsec for cash, and am frankly having trouble using the SBer (Hound). My fit is pretty SB-standard, but I find that if I'm fighting more than one ship at a time -- particularly if there are frigates -- that I take too much damage to stick around for a second kill. I don't have MWD active, orbit or zigzag about 60 km out, and I'm still taking too much fire to stick around for more than a single kill.
I'm fully trained up in Minmatar Assault Frigates, Inties, and Stealth Bombers. I'm dubious about how well an AS would do in nullsec BS ratting. But how about a dual prop nano Stiletto? I know I'll have to carry a metric f*ckton of ammo with me, but would MWD-into close orbit range in a Stiletto, MWD off, AB on, orbit 500m, be at all effective?
Thanks in advance for the help.
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Adacia Calla
Minmatar Umbrella Research Group
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Posted - 2010.08.13 22:20:00 -
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Crosstrain Amarr and use a retribution. Thing can do crazy damage for a frig, and uses no ammo while it's at it.
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Thorian Baalnorn
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Posted - 2010.08.13 23:33:00 -
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Edited by: Thorian Baalnorn on 13/08/2010 23:35:34
Originally by: Adacia Calla Crosstrain Amarr and use a retribution. Thing can do crazy damage for a frig, and uses no ammo while it's at it.
This if your ratting sansha or can switch to sansha. Angels are heavily tanked against amarr the rest are inbetween. But amarr ship ratting sansha would be you best bet.
If you could make it to a quite section of sansha space, you could nearly rat it forever if you got a cloak.
Never understood why isk farmers always use ravens. Amarr uses no ammo. So you dont have to worry about getting ammo in and out.
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Baroshi Hynas
Gallente Powder and Ball Alchemists Union Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2010.08.13 23:43:00 -
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Originally by: Del Vikus I'm dubious about how well an AS would do in nullsec BS ratting.
Assault ships do very well in nullsec BS ratting. In an ishkur with 5 Hobgoblin II's I can kill BS fairly fast and hold my tank against the frigs/cruisers that are there. (But you could kill rats faster using a bs/t2 cruiser aka. Isthar does wonders against guristas rats)
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Footoo Rama
Gallente Cast-a-Ways.
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Posted - 2010.08.14 02:17:00 -
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Edited by: Footoo Rama on 14/08/2010 02:17:53 Ishtars eat Gurista for lunch...
If you are belt ratting BS's SB's work pretty well, basically you want high dps and speed tank. SB's work great for that 500 plus dps. Pick the SB that has the optimum dmg type for your rat. ------- "Because the Dominix is the Chuck Norris of Eve!" |
Professor Villinghopper
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Posted - 2010.08.14 02:27:00 -
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I never had a problem with a Manticore. Slap a Medium Shield extender on it, AB for Speed tank, good to go. Rats easy. Obviously this is not a standard pvp fit for a stealth bomber, but pvp isn't what you are trying to do with it, so stop fitting it for pvp.
P.S. Using ammo sucks.
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Del Vikus
Minmatar Torca Antiquities
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Posted - 2010.08.14 03:52:00 -
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All of these ships are great, but...I'm trained up in Minmatar. I'd like to go ratting sometime soon, rather than in 3 weeks. ;)
So, for the Hound: are you guys suggesting dropping the MWD? Won't that make gate camps much more dangerous?
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Forge Trader
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Posted - 2010.08.14 05:03:00 -
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I have used a Wolf (minmatar) very effectively against BS and Cruiser rats. It helps if you are fighting rats who give the same damage as your best resists.
My wolf was autocannon. Only problem was ammo.
This can be solved by taking an emp S original blueprint with you into nullsec, & reprocess BS guns at an NPC station for minerals.
You can thus stay out as long as you want.
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Professor Villinghopper
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Posted - 2010.08.14 05:05:00 -
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I am not sure about the fitting on a hound, and as I'm on an OLD macintosh laptop, I don't really have any fitting tools on hand to check. I suspect you *could* run MWD+AB+MSE in the mid slots if you threw a Micro Aux Power core into one of your lows. But maybe you run into CPU problems, I'm not sure. Again no fitting tools on this computer to check.
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Daisuke Aoki
Gallente Independent Coalition OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2010.08.14 09:57:00 -
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Edited by: Daisuke Aoki on 14/08/2010 10:00:40 Don't run the MWD, it'll increase your signature radius and work against you - the whole idea of ratting in an SB is you're small and agile, and increasing your sig radius works against that. I prefer an AB setup.
This is adapted from a Nemesis fit that I regularly use successfully to rat in nullsec:
[Hound, Ratting] Ballistic Control System II Gyrostabilizer II Damage Control II
1MN Afterburner II Ballistic Deflection Field II Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Mjolnir Torpedo 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Mjolnir Torpedo 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Mjolnir Torpedo 150mm Light AutoCannon II, EMP S 150mm Light AutoCannon II, EMP S
Small Ancillary Current Router I Small Ancillary Current Router I
Substitute T1 or named where needed by your own skills and swap the ballistic hardener for the predominant damage type you're tanking (and the right torp for the damage type you need to deal obviously). If PG is tight, swap the medium shield extender for a small one, but it should work with 4.5 PG to spare with all level V skills. Torps are obviously for heavy DPS against BS/BCs, and use the ACs to take care of the frigs if they get annoying.
Obviously this fit is useless for anything but ratting but it serves that purpose very well.
I notice the same thing when ratting in an SB, that the frigs seem to do more damage than the BSes, but this setup should be able to take care of them fairly effectively.
edit: Also, from my experience, AFs work rather well for ratting. I use an Enyo sometimes to rat and it holds its own.
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Hrun Ahwai
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Posted - 2010.08.14 15:59:00 -
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... a non-cloaking afterburner hound with a gyrostabilizer. that is utterly terribad. just... wow.
as for the issue at hand, having tried all three, an afterburning bomber is definitely the best way to go... covops cloak means you can roam pretty much at will, and you won't find higher anti-BS damage in a frigate hull. the key is the afterburner, though- you'll be fast enough to outrun their tracking and remain small enough to flummox their signature resolution. also, make sure you stay close enough to keep them from MWDing, as that'll screw your torp damage over.
here's the fit i'd recommend. permarun the AB, stay within 50ish km, and don't forget to paint stuff. avoid arch angels. if it doesn't fit, just change the PDUII to a MAPC and you're golden.
[Hound, New Setup 2] Power Diagnostic System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II
Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Bane Torpedo 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Bane Torpedo 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Bane Torpedo Covert Ops Cloaking Device II 125mm Gatling AutoCannon II, EMP S
Small Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Small Warhead Calefaction Catalyst I
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Daisuke Aoki
Gallente Independent Coalition OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2010.08.14 17:58:00 -
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A cloak isn't exactly a necessity in a ratting setup. Unless the OP is doing this in hostile space or NPC 0.0 or something.
And yeah, what with the two projectile turrets, I figured a gyrostab would be a sensible addition.
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Del Vikus
Minmatar Torca Antiquities
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Posted - 2010.08.14 18:25:00 -
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Thanks for the advice guys!
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Brian Ballsack
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Posted - 2010.08.14 18:46:00 -
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i kill quicker in a wolf
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Del Vikus
Minmatar Torca Antiquities
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Posted - 2010.08.14 19:11:00 -
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Originally by: Brian Ballsack i kill quicker in a wolf
Could you give an example of a nullsec ratting setup?
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Professor Villinghopper
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Posted - 2010.08.14 21:51:00 -
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Originally by: Brian Ballsack i kill quicker in a wolf
Stop fitting guns to bombers.
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Diomidis
Amarr Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.08.15 11:01:00 -
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Some important points when ratting in Null-sec:
* Ammo usage: it's important to keep it low...using the highest tier of weapons possible, especially in med/small sized hulls is extremely important, even if on paper the DPS appear similar. The SBs are very good on this aspect, since torp launcher RoF is pretty low compared to any other frig's turret.
* Evading camps: nothing can beat the SBs...given you fit a cloak. MWD is a nearly must for non cov-op frigs if you think that you will run into bubbling camps, tho it does little to help you speed-tank rats compared to AB.
* Dmg oriented ASs kill and tank rats pretty good: Harpy, Retribution, Wolf, Enyo and Ishkur, all work. But i've only used them to quickly change belts till you find the Dread/Shadow/Dark Blood etc BC or BS and kill it. Despite the fact that ASs can do easily in PvE setups 250-300+ dps - impressively good for a frig with T2 fit - farming BSs in those is not very practical. Even if it wasn't for high ammo usage, DPS is not that good to make them worthy. Even low skilled BCs and BSs can out-dps it = make more money per hour = the essence of ratting performance. Join the Biggest Greek Corp! www.Mythos-eve.com - Join Mythos Channel in game! |
Misanth
Reaper Industries Asset Liberation Front.
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Posted - 2010.08.15 12:17:00 -
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Originally by: Hrun Ahwai ... a non-cloaking afterburner hound with a gyrostabilizer. that is utterly terribad. just... wow.
as for the issue at hand, having tried all three, an afterburning bomber is definitely the best way to go... covops cloak means you can roam pretty much at will, and you won't find higher anti-BS damage in a frigate hull. the key is the afterburner, though- you'll be fast enough to outrun their tracking and remain small enough to flummox their signature resolution. also, make sure you stay close enough to keep them from MWDing, as that'll screw your torp damage over.
here's the fit i'd recommend. permarun the AB, stay within 50ish km, and don't forget to paint stuff. avoid arch angels. if it doesn't fit, just change the PDUII to a MAPC and you're golden.
[Hound, New Setup 2] Power Diagnostic System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II
Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Bane Torpedo 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Bane Torpedo 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Bane Torpedo Covert Ops Cloaking Device II 125mm Gatling AutoCannon II, EMP S
Small Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Small Warhead Calefaction Catalyst I
I'd use something like that. No fan of frig-ratting tho, so damn slow killing and ammo consuption FTL. But for something you want "right now", and with Hound skilled, I think that's your best bet atm. - I'd tell you why but then I'll have to kill you. And to kill you I'd have to log in. And to log in I'd have to stop browsing these forums. Both you and me knows that'll never happen. |
Del Vikus
Minmatar Torca Antiquities
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Posted - 2010.08.15 15:52:00 -
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Originally by: Diomidis Some important points when ratting in Null-sec:
* Ammo usage: it's important to keep it low...using the highest tier of weapons possible, especially in med/small sized hulls is extremely important, even if on paper the DPS appear similar. The SBs are very good on this aspect, since torp launcher RoF is pretty low compared to any other frig's turret.
* Evading camps: nothing can beat the SBs...given you fit a cloak. MWD is a nearly must for non cov-op frigs if you think that you will run into bubbling camps, tho it does little to help you speed-tank rats compared to AB.
* Dmg oriented ASs kill and tank rats pretty good: Harpy, Retribution, Wolf, Enyo and Ishkur, all work. But i've only used them to quickly change belts till you find the Dread/Shadow/Dark Blood etc BC or BS and kill it. Despite the fact that ASs can do easily in PvE setups 250-300+ dps - impressively good for a frig with T2 fit - farming BSs in those is not very practical. Even if it wasn't for high ammo usage, DPS is not that good to make them worthy. Even low skilled BCs and BSs can out-dps it = make more money per hour = the essence of ratting performance.
Thanks, this is really helpful.
I'm torn right now. I was on last night in my Hound fitted with an AB rather than MWD, and almost got caught at a camp. Got targeted fast by an Ares and if it wasn't for his distance from me I would have been toast. So the AB at the camp is totally risky, but I'll keep it up until it stops working.
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Ava Starfire
Minmatar Nordanverdr Modr
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Posted - 2010.08.15 16:46:00 -
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Wolf. Awesome for this. I ratted in Delve for a week or so, and was even able to crack and kill a 21m officer rat's tank. Nice way to make some isk, and fun in a frig.
4x150mm guns. Cloak or nos (slows rep rate down, cloak is nice, not really mandatory unless you, like me, AFK a lot)
Catalyzed Cold-Gas MWD Scram (Youre in a PVP region. Fit for PvP.)
Gyro II DCU II ANP II Small repper
Damage Rigs (Burst and collision are my choice)
A hold full of RF EMP (or regular EMP if youre cheap. Plasma and barrage in event of Pews is also recommended)
Tanks blood raiders all day long. Enjoy.
Space is fun! |
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Hrun Ahwai
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Posted - 2010.08.16 03:09:00 -
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try putting your AB and cloak on adjacent f-keys, then hitting them both at the same time when you align away. the afterburner will boot you a few km out of the way of the spot mr interceptor was aiming for, giving you a decent chance of not getting decloaked. if you're in a bubble, you can also exploit the large hole left when everyone instinctively rushes to one side looking for you.
also, make sure to wait maybe 1/4 second before you try to cloak. if you just mash the button right away, chances are the last thing you see before you get podded will be "interference from the cloak you are doing prevents you from cloaking". |
Ansol
Gallente Origin Synthetic Industries
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Posted - 2010.08.16 06:12:00 -
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I used the Taranis with great effect for ratting in 0.0. The damage output was nice and its nimbleness kept me under the guns of BS and cruisers. Frigs had to be killed first, though. I don't know anything about Minnie ships, but if you can muster anything like that out of Minnie inties, it is very viable as a ratter. Also quite survivable in 0.0
The dead remember our silence, The dead remember our indifference. |
Ned Black
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Posted - 2010.08.16 08:01:00 -
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How would you fit the retribution?
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Dr Sheepbringer
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.08.16 08:28:00 -
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Any T2 frig can do ratting easily (AF's probably the best), but I always get annoyed by cargo space. Good BS modules fill the cargo..fast. Also adding a salvager makes the fit annoying. Cruisers size ships are probably your best best choice. They have enough cargo, enough fitting and are somewhat quick that you might actually escape when things become hairy (when reds enter the system). Also, if you do get caught you might win (mostly not, because they are engaging you), but more important...they are cheap.
Anyway you look at it, BS size ships cost more isk than cruisers. Stop whining. |
Relettov
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Posted - 2010.08.16 11:17:00 -
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I've been ratting in a Hound every now and again.
My setup looks like this:
[Hound, Nullsec Ratting] Ballistic Control System II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Micro Auxiliary Power Core I
1MN Digital Booster Rockets Target Painter II Medium Shield Extender I
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Bane Torpedo 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Bane Torpedo 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Bane Torpedo Salvager I
Small Polycarbon Engine Housing I Small Bay Loading Accelerator I
The rigs are not that important, they're just in there if I want to switch to a PvP loadout. You should go with a Warhead Calefaction instead of the polycarb if you want rigs.
The MSE and TP are essential for ratting. MSE to tank long enough, the TP to get rid of the smaller ships fast. Even for the BS the TP does add some damage to the torps. I've got the MWD for chaining to get enough distance between me and the small ship I'm leaving behind since the smaller ships do way more damage.
If you've got many medium and small sized ships, and for some odd reason I do not want to look for a better spawn, I do the following:
Warp in cloaked, get to 25-30kms distance from first small/medium target, keep distance.
Uncloak, fire two volleys, when the TP starts its second cycle, recloak. The TP stays active even when cloaked until the cycle is over.
Count down 15 seconds at least, rinse and repeat.
It hardly ever takes more than 3-4 volley total to get rid of frig sized rats, 6-8 for the medium ones. Once they're gone, just orbit the BS (MWD off) and pound away.
I've tried using racial torps other than Bane but in my experience the racial bonus for Bane works better in overall damage dealt.
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Picadilly
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Posted - 2010.08.16 21:41:00 -
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Originally by: Relettov
My setup looks like this: ... 1MN Digital Booster Rockets ...
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Battlecheese
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Posted - 2010.08.17 11:57:00 -
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What's all this talk of Assault Ships? The Title refers to Frigates???
I've had success with a Merlin (rockets/Neutron Blaster) against BSs up to 500k. You do need to pick the spawn, as intercepting frigs will ruin your day.
Also, you will need a freighter to bring enough ammo.
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Dr Sheepbringer
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.08.17 12:32:00 -
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Originally by: Battlecheese What's all this talk of Assault Ships? The Title refers to Frigates???
When you read his skills, it does compute to think he means frigate size hulls. Stop whining. |
Alec Freeman
Minmatar Adventurers Matari Visionary Coalition
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Posted - 2010.08.17 12:58:00 -
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I know you said frigs but. Ever thought of a force recon? Rapier may not drop the BS as fast as a SB but you can carry soooo much more ammo.
[Rapier, Null Sec Ratting] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Damage Control II
Medium Shield Booster II Shield Boost Amplifier II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, EMP M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, EMP M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, EMP M Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Specialise your ammo for whatever rats your killing and fill your cargobay. As for a SB i dont feel is practical as you need to return to high so often for ammo refills. But meh here is my fit.
[Hound, Null Sec Rating] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Co-Processor II
1MN Afterburner II Target Painter II Small Shield Extender II
Siege Missile Launcher II, Bane Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Bane Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Bane Torpedo Covert Ops Cloaking Device II [empty high slot]
Small Warhead Calefaction Catalyst II Small Core Defence Field Extender I
You can also put a rigor rig T1 on that if you are facing a lot of smaller ships
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Caldrion Dosto
Svea Rike Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2010.08.17 14:06:00 -
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Get a daredevil, ok it¦s more expensive then the other suggestions but uses little ammo and are effective.
Cost 180 mil approx. 340dps.
with a repper on u are fine, and can defend yourself vs evil people.
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