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RAGE QU1T
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.07.25 15:42:00 -
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Allchemy didn't work in '08 and will not work in 2012. Please let us all give this new dev a history lesson. The major problem with tech is the allocation the R64 moon to one region (the north) in which a few select alliances can generatate infinte isk and "Win EVE". With the proposed reaction outputt of tech therre is no incentive for other allainces or corps to run muliple POS's with the added expense of fuel I would be losing money on a weekly basis. All this is just skirting around a broken problem that exsisted for years. Allchemy was removed for good reason in the first place, all I see happening is T2 gear will mos def increase, how does everyone fell about paying 3 to 4mil isk for a gyro II?
Floor is open for constructive criticism, questions or concerns
O/ |
highonpop
Void.Tech Fatal Ascension
157
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Posted - 2012.07.25 15:45:00 -
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Regardless of tech or any moon goo
Alchemy should stay in Fantasy MMOs not in SciFi MMOs.
New Dev doesn't understand EVE yet. All I heard was Blah Blah Blah I'm a dirty *****... |
evereplicant
State Protectorate Caldari State
163
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Posted - 2012.07.25 15:56:00 -
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ok ill say it again and ill keep saying it.
I agree with the OP. I am sick and tired of seeing large alliances taking every damn moon on the eve universe (yes thats including high sec and low sec) and then all they need to do is sit on them, anyone attacks them its 500 titans and supers defending it. Its WRONG and this is a massive issue with eve. Having all tech in venal also is just the biggest most stupid thing CCP have done.
There needs to be a complete overhaul of moon locations, a strategic review shall we say. Every region should have a pretty much equal amount of moons generating an equal amount of same type minerals.
Tech moons or any large income making moons should be very few say 10 per region and i still say they should be randomised every 3 months to new locations within the same region.
It stupid that people like goons can hold 150 high income moons and just make trillions.. its wrong very wrong and to be honest this is making me not want to play the game anymore. |
EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
234
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Posted - 2012.07.25 15:57:00 -
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RAGE QU1T wrote:Allchemy didn't work in '08 and will not work in 2012. Please let us all give this new dev a history lesson. The major problem with tech is the allocation the R64 moon to one region (the north) in which a few select alliances can generatate infinte isk and "Win EVE". With the proposed reaction outputt of tech therre is no incentive for other allainces or corps to run muliple POS's with the added expense of fuel I would be losing money on a weekly basis. All this is just skirting around a broken problem that exsisted for years. Allchemy was removed for good reason in the first place, all I see happening is T2 gear will mos def increase, how does everyone fell about paying 3 to 4mil isk for a gyro II?
Floor is open for constructive criticism, questions or concerns
O/ learn to do math |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1416
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Posted - 2012.07.25 15:58:00 -
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evereplicant wrote:ok ill say it again and ill keep saying it.
I agree with the OP. I am sick and tired of seeing large alliances taking every damn moon on the eve universe (yes thats including high sec and low sec) and then all they need to do is sit on them, anyone attacks them its 500 titans and supers defending it. Its WRONG and this is a massive issue with eve. Having all tech in venal also is just the biggest most stupid thing CCP have done.
There needs to be a complete overhaul of moon locations, a strategic review shall we say. Every region should have a pretty much equal amount of moons generating an equal amount of same type minerals.
Tech moons or any large income making moons should be very few say 10 per region and i still say they should be randomised every 3 months to new locations within the same region.
It stupid that people like goons can hold 150 high income moons and just make trillions.. its wrong very wrong and to be honest this is making me not want to play the game anymore.
redistribution (and god forbid, rotation) is a dumb idea
if you want to know why, i have 160k reasons a rogue goon |
evereplicant
State Protectorate Caldari State
163
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Posted - 2012.07.25 15:58:00 -
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ok ill say it again and ill keep saying it.
I agree with the OP. I am sick and tired of seeing large alliances taking every damn moon on the eve universe (yes thats including high sec and low sec) and then all they need to do is sit on them, anyone attacks them its 500 titans and supers defending it. Its WRONG and this is a massive issue with eve. Having all tech in venal also is just the biggest most stupid thing CCP have done.
There needs to be a complete overhaul of moon locations, a strategic review shall we say. Every region should have a pretty much equal amount of moons generating an equal amount of same type minerals.
Tech moons or any large income making moons should be very few say 10 per region and i still say they should be randomised every 3 months to new locations within the same region.
It stupid that people like goons can hold 150 high income moons and just make trillions.. its wrong very wrong and to be honest this is making me not want to play the game anymore. |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1416
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Posted - 2012.07.25 15:59:00 -
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double posting this nonsense doesn't add validity to it a rogue goon |
Ivana Twinkle
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
267
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Posted - 2012.07.25 15:59:00 -
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You're just jealous because you haven't achieved anything on your own. |
EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
234
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Posted - 2012.07.25 15:59:00 -
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evereplicant wrote: I agree with the OP. I am sick and tired of seeing large alliances taking every damn moon on the eve universe (yes thats including high sec and low sec) and then all they need to do is sit on them, anyone attacks them its 500 titans and supers defending it. Its WRONG and this is a massive issue with eve. Having all tech in venal also is just the biggest most stupid thing CCP have done.
0.0 is an area for massive empires not friendless nobodies |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1416
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Posted - 2012.07.25 16:00:00 -
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also tell me all about large alliances taking all the moons in highsec a rogue goon |
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EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
234
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Posted - 2012.07.25 16:01:00 -
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i have a tech moon in jita
i'm just that good |
AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
304
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Posted - 2012.07.25 16:01:00 -
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evereplicant wrote:ok ill say it again and ill keep saying it.
I agree with the OP. I am sick and tired of seeing large alliances taking every damn moon on the eve universe (yes thats including high sec and low sec) and then all they need to do is sit on them, anyone attacks them its 500 titans and supers defending it. Its WRONG and this is a massive issue with eve. Having all tech in venal also is just the biggest most stupid thing CCP have done.
There needs to be a complete overhaul of moon locations, a strategic review shall we say. Every region should have a pretty much equal amount of moons generating an equal amount of same type minerals.
Tech moons or any large income making moons should be very few say 10 per region and i still say they should be randomised every 3 months to new locations within the same region.
It stupid that people like goons can hold 150 high income moons and just make trillions.. its wrong very wrong and to be honest this is making me not want to play the game anymore.
I kinda understand your frustration.
However, game mechanics are firmly in place for anyone to take these systems - but I will agree it seems highly unlikely given the overwhelming odds against anyone who attempts to do so.
Just need enough dots.
AK GÇ£You go into combat, and itGÇÖs NOT going to be WagnerGǪindustrial techno or really hard drum and bassGÇ¥ Reynir Hardarson, founding member of CCP Games, 2002.
somethingjustgotreal.com |
Takeshi Yamato
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
209
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Posted - 2012.07.25 16:03:00 -
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highonpop wrote:Regardless of tech or any moon goo
Alchemy should stay in Fantasy MMOs not in SciFi MMOs.
New Dev doesn't understand EVE yet.
Transmutation of elements is real. Particle accelerators transmute elements on a regular basis.
At our current technology it's only of scientific interest, but in a science fiction universe it's not too far fetched to imagine that it could be used on an industrial scale. An analysis: fixing active tanking in a logical manner: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1693846 |
evereplicant
State Protectorate Caldari State
163
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Posted - 2012.07.25 16:07:00 -
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AlleyKat wrote:evereplicant wrote:ok ill say it again and ill keep saying it.
I agree with the OP. I am sick and tired of seeing large alliances taking every damn moon on the eve universe (yes thats including high sec and low sec) and then all they need to do is sit on them, anyone attacks them its 500 titans and supers defending it. Its WRONG and this is a massive issue with eve. Having all tech in venal also is just the biggest most stupid thing CCP have done.
There needs to be a complete overhaul of moon locations, a strategic review shall we say. Every region should have a pretty much equal amount of moons generating an equal amount of same type minerals.
Tech moons or any large income making moons should be very few say 10 per region and i still say they should be randomised every 3 months to new locations within the same region.
It stupid that people like goons can hold 150 high income moons and just make trillions.. its wrong very wrong and to be honest this is making me not want to play the game anymore. I kinda understand your frustration. However, game mechanics are firmly in place for anyone to take these systems - but I will agree it seems highly unlikely given the overwhelming odds against anyone who attempts to do so. Just need enough dots. AK
given that NC. Evoke. Raiden. PL all established big pvp alliances couldnt manage it together because basically goons can just constantly fund an neverending supply of ships with no consequence as thye make more isk than they can spend says theres a big problem..
Goons you may troll all you like, my statement remains. and yes please give 160kk reasons why randomising moons is not a good idea... please...
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EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
234
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Posted - 2012.07.25 16:12:00 -
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three out of the four alliances you named have tech moons, and pl has more than we do you nitwit |
EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
234
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Posted - 2012.07.25 16:13:00 -
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raiden might still have tech moons i can't remember if they're alive or not at this point |
Dusenman
Krait Corp Fidelas Constans
15
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Posted - 2012.07.25 16:14:00 -
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EvilweaselSA wrote:i have a tech moon in jita
i'm just that good
I have been there. It is a nice moon.
On a more serious note: With out taking out moon goo and redoing all of tech 2 building; It has to stay. Even if the tech moved around every three months people would just move and kick out anyone in there way to get to it. Or there would just be one massive NAP fest, no wars, or anything interesting... ever.
Sooooo you want to do something about it? Come up with some better idea. Or go take the goo. GM Homonoia: In other words; feel free to use the tactic, but don't be an utter and total ***. |
EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
234
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Posted - 2012.07.25 16:15:00 -
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people advocating moon rotation are, universally, friendless nobodies who hate the fact 0.0 rewards having friends |
evereplicant
State Protectorate Caldari State
163
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Posted - 2012.07.25 16:17:00 -
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EvilweaselSA wrote:three out of the four alliances you named have tech moons, and pl has more than we do you nitwit
right PL do not have more than you dont talk nonsense, secondly the only reason the others have tech moons is becuase you guys did a deal with them!
also stop taking everything so damn personal, i am actually talking about large alliances overall, just the matter of fact you guys are the biggest alliance with the most control over eve with the most moons.. so get used to people referring to you dumbass.. |
Nirnias Stirrum
Insidious Design
258
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Posted - 2012.07.25 16:20:00 -
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Have you tried taking the moons for yourself? Cause i can guarantee thats how goons did it. |
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Soi Mala
Whacky Waving Inflatable Flailing Arm Tubemen
127
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Posted - 2012.07.25 16:22:00 -
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Just add more interactivity to moon mining, as opposed to -
1) deploy pos 2) click buttan 3) do nothing for a week or two 4) receive golden bacon |
EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
234
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Posted - 2012.07.25 16:25:00 -
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evereplicant wrote:EvilweaselSA wrote:three out of the four alliances you named have tech moons, and pl has more than we do you nitwit right PL do not have more than you dont talk nonsense, secondly the only reason the others have tech moons is becuase you guys did a deal with them! also stop taking everything so damn personal, i am actually talking about large alliances overall, just the matter of fact you guys are the biggest alliance with the most control over eve with the most moons.. so get used to people referring to you dumbass.. feel free to verify: pl largely holds most of venal and lowsec tech |
EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
234
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Posted - 2012.07.25 16:25:00 -
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goonswarm has precisely 65 tech moons |
Lord MuffloN
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
5
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Posted - 2012.07.25 16:28:00 -
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"Abloo bloo bloo instead of fixing bottlenecks or imbalances CCP should remove them from their current owners (who I totally on an unrelated note despise) forcefully through extreme measures to give ME a chance to get a personal tech moon!"
Instead of say, doing it all properly.
I'd rather we use Zagdul's idea of having racial t2 production and distribution, but it's too good to be true. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
418
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Posted - 2012.07.25 16:32:00 -
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If Soco grew some balls and had more competent leadership they could potentially threaten the current tech dynamic. There are still several large alliances currently uninvolved in the War of the South (don't think we can call it the Delve War anymore, seeing as Delve is now completely under HBC control along with most of Querious and Period Basis).
The Eastern alliances, namely those North of Cascade Imminent (predominantly Solar Fleet and Intrepid Crossings) could, along with Soco, possibly pose a significant threat to the CFC and HBC. Now this is purely hypothetical (and I'm also talking out of my ass, mainly) since I don't really know if they would even have incentive to ally themselves with Soco/HBC, but it seems numbers-wise if this were to happen the tables would quickly be turned.
I doubt it will happen though. IRC seems to be quite content with their status as target practice for RAZOR, and Solar is... actually I'm not sure what Solar is doing. EVE's 4th of July Fireworks |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
418
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Posted - 2012.07.25 16:34:00 -
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Soi Mala wrote:Just add more interactivity to moon mining, as opposed to -
1) deploy pos 2) click buttan 3) do nothing for a week or two 4) receive golden bacon There IS interactivity, it's called defending and attacking valuable assets. CCP doesn't need to add anything to this. EVE's 4th of July Fireworks |
evereplicant
State Protectorate Caldari State
165
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Posted - 2012.07.25 16:35:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:If Soco grew some balls and had more competent leadership they could potentially threaten the current tech dynamic. There are still several large alliances currently uninvolved in the War of the South (don't think we can call it the Delve War anymore, seeing as Delve is now completely under HBC control along with most of Querious and Period Basis).
The Eastern alliances, namely those North of Cascade Imminent (predominantly Solar Fleet and Intrepid Crossings) could, along with Soco, possibly pose a significant threat to the CFC and HBC. Now this is purely hypothetical (and I'm also talking out of my ass, mainly) since I don't really know if they would even have incentive to ally themselves with Soco/HBC, but it seems numbers-wise if this were to happen the tables would quickly be turned.
I doubt it will happen though. IRC seems to be quite content with their status as target practice for RAZOR, and Solar is... actually I'm not sure what Solar is doing.
its not the point of another alliance taking the moons, becuase it doesnt solve the problem, just transfers it to another group.. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
418
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Posted - 2012.07.25 16:41:00 -
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evereplicant wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:If Soco grew some balls and had more competent leadership they could potentially threaten the current tech dynamic. There are still several large alliances currently uninvolved in the War of the South (don't think we can call it the Delve War anymore, seeing as Delve is now completely under HBC control along with most of Querious and Period Basis).
The Eastern alliances, namely those North of Cascade Imminent (predominantly Solar Fleet and Intrepid Crossings) could, along with Soco, possibly pose a significant threat to the CFC and HBC. Now this is purely hypothetical (and I'm also talking out of my ass, mainly) since I don't really know if they would even have incentive to ally themselves with Soco/HBC, but it seems numbers-wise if this were to happen the tables would quickly be turned.
I doubt it will happen though. IRC seems to be quite content with their status as target practice for RAZOR, and Solar is... actually I'm not sure what Solar is doing. its not the point of another alliance taking the moons, becuase it doesnt solve the problem, just transfers it to another group.. That's entirely the point. Are you seriously suggesting we should just remove rare commodities from the game altogether and remove incentives for people to fight for what they want (or to defend what they have)?
If you're not willing to fight for it, you don't deserve to have it. End of story. EVE's 4th of July Fireworks |
evereplicant
State Protectorate Caldari State
165
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Posted - 2012.07.25 16:48:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:evereplicant wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:If Soco grew some balls and had more competent leadership they could potentially threaten the current tech dynamic. There are still several large alliances currently uninvolved in the War of the South (don't think we can call it the Delve War anymore, seeing as Delve is now completely under HBC control along with most of Querious and Period Basis).
The Eastern alliances, namely those North of Cascade Imminent (predominantly Solar Fleet and Intrepid Crossings) could, along with Soco, possibly pose a significant threat to the CFC and HBC. Now this is purely hypothetical (and I'm also talking out of my ass, mainly) since I don't really know if they would even have incentive to ally themselves with Soco/HBC, but it seems numbers-wise if this were to happen the tables would quickly be turned.
I doubt it will happen though. IRC seems to be quite content with their status as target practice for RAZOR, and Solar is... actually I'm not sure what Solar is doing. its not the point of another alliance taking the moons, becuase it doesnt solve the problem, just transfers it to another group.. That's entirely the point. Are you seriously suggesting we should just remove rare commodities from the game altogether and remove incentives for people to fight for what they want (or to defend what they have)? If you're not willing to fight for it, you don't deserve to have it. End of story.
Nope i never said that did i? I said they should be spread evenly throughout eve... |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
419
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Posted - 2012.07.25 16:49:00 -
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evereplicant wrote:Nope i never said that did i? I said they should be spread evenly throughout eve... That really doesn't solve the problem - in fact it will probably make things worse. EVE's 4th of July Fireworks |
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