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5n4keyes
Sacred Templars RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2012.07.25 16:49:00 -
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'Step 1' |
Cebraio
Starfire Oasis
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Posted - 2012.07.25 16:50:00 -
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evereplicant wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:evereplicant wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:If Soco grew some balls and had more competent leadership they could potentially threaten the current tech dynamic. There are still several large alliances currently uninvolved in the War of the South (don't think we can call it the Delve War anymore, seeing as Delve is now completely under HBC control along with most of Querious and Period Basis).
The Eastern alliances, namely those North of Cascade Imminent (predominantly Solar Fleet and Intrepid Crossings) could, along with Soco, possibly pose a significant threat to the CFC and HBC. Now this is purely hypothetical (and I'm also talking out of my ass, mainly) since I don't really know if they would even have incentive to ally themselves with Soco/HBC, but it seems numbers-wise if this were to happen the tables would quickly be turned.
I doubt it will happen though. IRC seems to be quite content with their status as target practice for RAZOR, and Solar is... actually I'm not sure what Solar is doing. its not the point of another alliance taking the moons, becuase it doesnt solve the problem, just transfers it to another group.. That's entirely the point. Are you seriously suggesting we should just remove rare commodities from the game altogether and remove incentives for people to fight for what they want (or to defend what they have)? If you're not willing to fight for it, you don't deserve to have it. End of story. Nope i never said that did i? I said they should be spread evenly throughout eve...
Spread evenly, thus making them less rare. You're not making sense. Does evenly include high sec industrials?
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Aprudena Gist
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.07.25 16:51:00 -
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evereplicant wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:evereplicant wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:If Soco grew some balls and had more competent leadership they could potentially threaten the current tech dynamic. There are still several large alliances currently uninvolved in the War of the South (don't think we can call it the Delve War anymore, seeing as Delve is now completely under HBC control along with most of Querious and Period Basis).
The Eastern alliances, namely those North of Cascade Imminent (predominantly Solar Fleet and Intrepid Crossings) could, along with Soco, possibly pose a significant threat to the CFC and HBC. Now this is purely hypothetical (and I'm also talking out of my ass, mainly) since I don't really know if they would even have incentive to ally themselves with Soco/HBC, but it seems numbers-wise if this were to happen the tables would quickly be turned.
I doubt it will happen though. IRC seems to be quite content with their status as target practice for RAZOR, and Solar is... actually I'm not sure what Solar is doing. its not the point of another alliance taking the moons, becuase it doesnt solve the problem, just transfers it to another group.. That's entirely the point. Are you seriously suggesting we should just remove rare commodities from the game altogether and remove incentives for people to fight for what they want (or to defend what they have)? If you're not willing to fight for it, you don't deserve to have it. End of story. Nope i never said that did i? I said they should be spread evenly throughout eve... Yes because everything should be fair in eve right? go die in a fire. If people want tech they can come take it and earn money from it if they can't then they don't deserve it. |
dexington
71
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Posted - 2012.07.25 16:51:00 -
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RAGE QU1T wrote:The major problem with tech is the allocation the R64 moon to one region (the north) in which a few select alliances can generatate infinte isk and "Win EVE".
I think technetium is a R32 moon, not 64.
GÇ£The best way to keep something bad from happening is to see it ahead of time, and you can't see it if you refuse to face the possibility.GÇ¥-á |
Robert Warner
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
43
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Posted - 2012.07.25 17:02:00 -
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Just to clarify a few details on this one:
Tech moons were all grouped together to encourage dynamic state of play over those regions. CCP forcasted that these regions would be heavily contested as many alliances would vie for moon control.
What happened was that a single cartel took dominant, uncontested control of these moons.
The only real solution to the problem is to convert the moon goo supply to a game play dependant mechanic. A complete re-think of null sec would be required to implement this while still offering significant strategic advantages of holding some regions over others (because let's face it, there needs to be something to fight over). Perhaps a re-think on the scaling, significance and distribution of system sec level is required. |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
539
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Posted - 2012.07.25 17:05:00 -
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Robert Warner wrote:Just to clarify a few details on this one:
Tech moons were all grouped together to encourage dynamic state of play over those regions. CCP forcasted that these regions would be heavily contested as many alliances would vie for moon control.
What happened was that a single cartel took dominant, uncontested control of these moons.
Untrue
Dotland should be your friend. brb |
Ginger Barbarella
State War Academy Caldari State
21
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Posted - 2012.07.25 17:06:00 -
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Wow, this thread is full of all kinds of fail. I like it. :)
Keep up the awesome poasting!! |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2302
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Posted - 2012.07.25 17:24:00 -
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Ginger Barbarella wrote:Wow, this thread is full of all kinds of fail. I like it. :)
Keep up the awesome poasting!!
Why bother?
We already know that Alchemy is being put in place as a simple, temporary, safety valve.
We also know that Tech distribution, moon mining, and T2 production in general are next on the list for being reworked.
Anything else at this point in time is mental masturbati0n. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Victoria Sin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
127
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Posted - 2012.07.25 17:28:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote: redistribution (and god forbid, rotation) is a dumb idea
if you want to know why, i have 160k reasons
Making it fade in/out is a good idea. Anyway you said you have 160K reasons, but then you didn't post a single one. Wtf? |
Danfen Fenix
142
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Posted - 2012.07.25 17:41:00 -
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Victoria Sin wrote:Richard Desturned wrote: redistribution (and god forbid, rotation) is a dumb idea
if you want to know why, i have 160k reasons
Making it fade in/out is a good idea. Anyway you said you have 160K reasons, but then you didn't post a single one. Wtf?
I'll agree with him that fade in/out is a horrible idea, unless the resource stays on the moon (moving it to another moon is would just be completely...*shudders*)
It would be nice though for the almost complete 'dominance' of it in the North to be taken away, even if slightly though (either by adding more in the south, removing quite a bit from the North, or a bit of both. I'd go with the last ). I can understand why CCP did it like it is (to create a contested area)...but having just one main set in a quite small area, leads to the current situation. The moons need to be scattered that slight bit more around 0.0, with a goal of creating a wide area of conflict (pockets across all of 0.0), rather than trying to make one or two specific areas catalysts. |
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Ezra Tair
Murientor Tribe Defiant Legacy
70
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Posted - 2012.07.25 17:46:00 -
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Nirnias Stirrum wrote:Have you tried taking the moons for yourself? Cause i can guarantee thats how goons did it.
As I recall, they had a entire region given to them. |
Internet Lawyer Steve
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
56
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Posted - 2012.07.25 17:57:00 -
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Ivana Twinkle wrote:You're just jealous because you haven't achieved anything on your own.
Neither has Goonswarm.
Internet Lawyer Steve and Associates,
Bringing Justice to New Eden, One post at a time... |
Pak Narhoo
Knights of Kador
635
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Posted - 2012.07.25 17:57:00 -
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If you have read the blog you can read it's only step 1. Redistribution seems to be in the pipes as well as other places to gather tech goo, tough probably not PI.
So OP, the dev *did learn from earlier mistakes, and also is not solely to be blamed. He/ she? is not the only one deciding what gets changed when it comes to tech.
I think they (the devs involved) look to be on the right track here. It's not just 1 thing that has to be (and will be) changed to rebalance tech. My advice to the OP, just have a little bit more faith & patience.
:o Hi, I'm CCP Arrow, I screwed up the.. ummm... |
EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
235
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Posted - 2012.07.25 18:06:00 -
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evereplicant wrote: its not the point of another alliance taking the moons, becuase it doesnt solve the problem, just transfers it to another group..
the "problem" of course is that evereplicant will never be the person who gets it
that's the entire complaint, that he is not good enough at making friends therefore friends should be nerfed. |
Hrothgar Nilsson
Black Guards Black Core Alliance
80
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Posted - 2012.07.25 18:08:00 -
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highonpop wrote:Regardless of tech or any moon goo
Alchemy should stay in Fantasy MMOs not in SciFi MMOs.
New Dev doesn't understand EVE yet. There is actually a scientific basis for this "so-called" alchemy.
If you fling one element at another using a particle accelerator, you'll get a third, heavier element.
Example: scientists bombarded californium (98) with calcium (20) to create ununoctium (118). Berkilium (97) was bombarded with calcium to create ununseptium (117). Plutonium (94) and calcium = flevorium (114).
In fact, you can create just about any element you wish by using a particle accelerator to combine two elements. I'm sure if you bombarded tin (50) with copper (29) you'd get gold (79). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTzA_xesrL8 |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1421
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Posted - 2012.07.25 18:09:00 -
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Ezra Tair wrote:Nirnias Stirrum wrote:Have you tried taking the moons for yourself? Cause i can guarantee thats how goons did it. As I recall, they had a entire region given to them.
unlike defiant legacy, a noted relevant space holding alliance
we had deklein given to us because we merged with the alliance that previously owned it, we only had 10-20 tech moons and we had to take the other 40-60 ourselves a rogue goon |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1421
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Posted - 2012.07.25 18:11:00 -
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Victoria Sin wrote:Richard Desturned wrote: redistribution (and god forbid, rotation) is a dumb idea
if you want to know why, i have 160k reasons
Making it fade in/out is a good idea. Anyway you said you have 160K reasons, but then you didn't post a single one. Wtf?
160k refers to the number of accessible moons in the game that can have moon mining POSes anchored on them
i'm sure t2 prices will not be affected in the slightest by everyone having to scan moons every few months
(they will, i hope you enjoy 3b isk hulks) a rogue goon |
Hrothgar Nilsson
Black Guards Black Core Alliance
80
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Posted - 2012.07.25 18:13:00 -
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Out of curiosity, does the Federation in Goonswarm Federation come from Tau Ceti Federation?
I remember reading about the RedSwarm Federation, seems each part came from a different alliance that was a part of the coalition.
Red Alliance Goonswarm Tau Ceti Federation
Same case with GSF? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTzA_xesrL8 |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1421
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Posted - 2012.07.25 18:14:00 -
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Hrothgar Nilsson wrote:Out of curiosity, does the Federation in Goonswarm Federation come from Tau Ceti Federation?
I remember reading about the RedSwarm Federation, seems each part came from a different alliance that was a part of the coalition.
Red Alliance Goonswarm Tau Ceti Federation
Same case with GSF?
that is correct a rogue goon |
AdmiralJohn
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
24
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Posted - 2012.07.25 18:31:00 -
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Richard Desturned, I have a question:
How do you manage to stay sane, being the only reasonable person on these entire forums? |
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EvEa Deva
State War Academy Caldari State
52
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Posted - 2012.07.25 18:48:00 -
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Tech = unlimited isk, goons + unlimited isk = alot of D-baggery, alot of D-baggery + people not subbing or unsubbing = nerf
Anyone not a goon or pet + nerf = haha HTFU
Simple math |
Garreth Vlox
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
17
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Posted - 2012.07.25 19:06:00 -
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"Tech moons or any large income making moons should be very few say 10 per region"
I liked this part
"and i still say they should be randomised every 3 months to new locations within the same region."
but this part makes my eyes bleed.
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Victoria Sin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
128
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Posted - 2012.07.25 20:08:00 -
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Danfen Fenix wrote:Victoria Sin wrote:Richard Desturned wrote: redistribution (and god forbid, rotation) is a dumb idea
if you want to know why, i have 160k reasons
Making it fade in/out is a good idea. Anyway you said you have 160K reasons, but then you didn't post a single one. Wtf? I'll agree with him that fade in/out is a horrible idea, unless the resource stays on the moon (moving it to another moon is would just be completely...*shudders*) It would be nice though for the almost complete 'dominance' of it in the North to be taken away, even if slightly though (either by adding more in the south, removing quite a bit from the North, or a bit of both. I'd go with the last ). I can understand why CCP did it like it is (to create a contested area)...but having just one main set in a quite small area, leads to the current situation. The moons need to be scattered that slight bit more around 0.0, with a goal of creating a wide area of conflict (pockets across all of 0.0), rather than trying to make one or two specific areas catalysts.
You don't say why fade in/out is a bad idea. I'm talking long-term here, not a few days. Say over 3 - 6 months. |
Ptraci
3 R Corporation The Irukandji
570
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Posted - 2012.07.25 20:16:00 -
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Ivana Twinkle wrote:You're just jealous because you haven't achieved anything on your own.
A member of a 10,000 player alliance talks about acheiving things on his own. Hmm. |
Ione Hawke
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
18
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Posted - 2012.07.25 20:37:00 -
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highonpop wrote:Regardless of tech or any moon goo
Alchemy should stay in Fantasy MMOs not in SciFi MMOs.
New Dev doesn't understand EVE yet.
Alchemy is in fact possible and I believe scientists in fact managed to make gold from lead using nuclear transmutation.
edit:
wikipedia wrote:
It transpired that, under true nuclear transmutation, it is far easier to turn gold into lead than the reverse reaction, which was the one the alchemists had ardently pursued. Nuclear experiments have successfully transmuted lead into gold, but the expense far exceeds any gain.[6] It would be easier to convert gold into lead via neutron capture and beta decay by leaving gold in a nuclear reactor for a long period of time.
More information on gold synthesis, see Synthesis of precious metals. 197Au + n GåÆ 198Au (halflife 2.7 days) GåÆ 198Hg + n GåÆ 199Hg + n GåÆ 200Hg + n GåÆ 201Hg + n GåÆ 202Hg + n GåÆ 203Hg (halflife 47 days) GåÆ 203Tl + n GåÆ 204Tl (halflife 3.8 years) GåÆ 204Pb (halflife 1.4x1017 years)
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Nex apparatu5
Friendship is Podding Test Alliance Please Ignore
323
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Posted - 2012.07.25 21:03:00 -
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Victoria Sin wrote:Danfen Fenix wrote:Victoria Sin wrote:Richard Desturned wrote: redistribution (and god forbid, rotation) is a dumb idea
if you want to know why, i have 160k reasons
Making it fade in/out is a good idea. Anyway you said you have 160K reasons, but then you didn't post a single one. Wtf? I'll agree with him that fade in/out is a horrible idea, unless the resource stays on the moon (moving it to another moon is would just be completely...*shudders*) It would be nice though for the almost complete 'dominance' of it in the North to be taken away, even if slightly though (either by adding more in the south, removing quite a bit from the North, or a bit of both. I'd go with the last ). I can understand why CCP did it like it is (to create a contested area)...but having just one main set in a quite small area, leads to the current situation. The moons need to be scattered that slight bit more around 0.0, with a goal of creating a wide area of conflict (pockets across all of 0.0), rather than trying to make one or two specific areas catalysts. You don't say why fade in/out is a bad idea. I'm talking long-term here, not a few days. Say over 3 - 6 months.
If moons rotate, the CFC wouldn't fall apart via stagnation, which is the only major threat these days. Every 3-6 months they would just scan down every tech moon, get a bunch of fights as scrubs tried to hold them off, then rinse and repeat. |
arcca jeth
Dark Alliance Dark Empire Alliance
110
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Posted - 2012.07.25 21:26:00 -
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AdmiralJohn wrote:Richard Desturned, I have a question:
How do you manage to stay sane, being the only reasonable person on these entire forums?
AdmiralJohn, how do you stay sane having to pick j.i.z.z goblets out of your beard everyday? |
Vyktor Abyss
The Abyss Corporation
151
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Posted - 2012.07.25 21:34:00 -
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Just wanted to check, maybe I'm going old and senile...
but isn't Technetium a R32 moon along with Hafnium, Mercury and Ceasium?
Thought R64 was Dyspro, Neo, Promethium, Thulium if I'm not senile. Not that that reflects any relative value anymore anyway.
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Li Charen-Teng
13
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Posted - 2012.07.25 22:04:00 -
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Fading moongoo in and out every few months will make no-tech owner very unhappy as well.
First they scan all 160k moons to find it and use a good amount of ISK doing so. So you find a Tech moon and put up a POS and invest 1 bil ISK in it. Random other guy/already Tech owner scans only moons with a a new POS every week and finds your R32, calls friends and your tower is down in no time.
This is an improvement, right?! Checking EVE GATE every few minutes... |
Pipa Porto
491
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Posted - 2012.07.25 22:30:00 -
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RAGE QU1T wrote:Allchemy didn't work in '08 and will not work in 2012. Please let us all give this new dev a history lesson. The major problem with tech is the allocation the R64 moon to one region (the north) in which a few select alliances can generatate infinte isk and "Win EVE". With the proposed reaction outputt of tech therre is no incentive for other allainces or corps to run muliple POS's with the added expense of fuel I would be losing money on a weekly basis. All this is just skirting around a broken problem that exsisted for years. Allchemy was removed for good reason in the first place, all I see happening is T2 gear will mos def increase, how does everyone fell about paying 3 to 4mil isk for a gyro II?
Floor is open for constructive criticism, questions or concerns
O/
Tech's not an R64. Alchemy didn't work because CCP also changed all the moon goo compositions used in building things at the same time, rendering Alchemy irrelevant.
Alchemy has not been removed, you can still do it just fine. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone |
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