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rodyas
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Posted - 2012.07.26 04:00:00 -
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^ Like how their faces, should be adjusted. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
rodyas
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Posted - 2012.07.26 04:12:00 -
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^ I wish I made that much money, from dieing in missions. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
rodyas
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Posted - 2012.07.26 04:14:00 -
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Yeah CCP I was suiciding that drone outpost. It should definetly have modules inside, worthy of my domi dieing to take it out. My death was totally on purpose and your ruining this game saying it meant nothing. Well it meant something to ME. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
rodyas
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Posted - 2012.07.26 04:17:00 -
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Abdiel Kavash wrote:CCP Soundwave wrote:Suicide ganking wasn't designed to be profitable And I'm already laughing at the hordes of carebears who will quote you out of context for the next year at least.
CCP Soundwave wrote:Suicide ganking wasn't designed to be profitable
Ah finally a dev, with the carebear at heart. Can you put that on the soundwave soundboard, so I can listen to that, while going to bed. Yeah out of context as well. Like how predictable money making from suicide ganks is the same thing as hunting a place and studying the prey for a random occurence to make billions. Totally the same. Out of context, its so fun I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
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Posted - 2012.07.26 04:23:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:Something tells me that unless this thread is locked soon, it will reach fifty pages in half a day. A dev slinging a comment like that is nothing less than the **** storm of the season.
It was inevitable really, suprised ya didn't see it coming really. It will be a shitstorm, a boring one. Suppose you will have fun though, trying to get a troll started. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
rodyas
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Posted - 2012.07.26 04:53:00 -
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CCP Soundwave wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:Also, I just thought of something. If suicide-ganking wasn't meant to be profitable, wouldn't it make more sense to simply remove T2 salvage from exhumer wrecks, instead of giving them more EHP than the average armor-buffer T3 pvp fit? Denidil wrote:now you're just QQ'ing like a *****. So you equate my promise that I will adapt to these changes and continue my activities to whining? Way to grasp at straws, little buddy. CCP Soundwave wrote:I don't want you to stop ganking nor am I going to remove aggression in high sec vOv You most definitely will if marketing tells you to. rofl
The devs have said only Hilmar and Unifex are allowed to make unilateral decisions. Not marketing. Gonna have to move up the food chain to get CCP Soundwave fired. I don't know who Unifex is or what he does, but I doubt he cares about you. Also Hilmar has shown he doesn't really care about marketing and other things. Seems your chances are pretty remote actually. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
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Posted - 2012.07.28 00:29:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:
Now, I think the Mackinaw's tank should be nerfed a bit so that the Skiff has a role. If that happens, it will be best to AFK in a Skiff because of its 17k Ore Hold. Which should be nerfed a bit so the Mack has a role.
Nice way to give roles. "I make this crappier so they will use the other. But hey, let's also make the other ship more crappier so people will have to pick the less worst". Made with this mentality, the current Retriever keeps a fraction price tag and is almost a copy of the Mack. I suggest you file for a position at CCP, the results would be pyroclastic. They're ALL getting buffed, and RADICALLY so. The question is how to buff them so that they're ALL viable options. With the changes as currently PROPOSED, the Skiff is entirely worthless, because the Mackinaw is not reasonably gankable (not being reasonably gankable is the Skiff's job). The only way to fix that is to reduce the Mack's PROPOSED tank. Then the Mack becomes worthless because of the Skiff's Ore Hold (having an enormous Ore Hold is the Mack's job). The only way to fix that is to reduce the Skiff's PROPOSED ore hold. It's not a Nerf if the result is better than the current TQ, unless you've already decided that you're entitled to the SISI stats.
How is the hulk getting buffed? Also what good is a big cargo hold, if you get ganked? Perhaps you should think a bit more. Also how is the nerf to hulk suppose to be helpful, if that gets gank. Lets imagine, I just finished doing one or two cycle, I have to dock now, since CCP nerfed the hulk, then I get ganked and lose it and the cargo. How did CCP buff me?
Lets say I am in a mack, I am half way filling my cargo hold, when I get ganked. How did that big cargo size help me? I lost the money in the bay, as well as the ship. I don't see any buff there.
I don't want to do procurer for you. Not all of us are in PL and don't have to worry about isk anymore. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
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Posted - 2012.07.28 02:54:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Exhumers HAD a role... Skiff was for mercoxit, Mackinaw for ice, and Hulk for general purpose mining. The Hulk can also be tanked sufficiently to discourage ganking as is on Tranquility. They can also do any number of other things to mitigate their risk.
With this change these techniques are pointless and miners are simply safe by default. How you people manage to believe this isn't dumbing down the game I will never understand. This change also doesn't make anything more difficult for gankers (merely more expensive) but significantly easier for miners.
you mention miners are becoming dumber since its easier now. But then you say its easy to gank other ships, and they will stay easy. So you as a ganker are dumb then? and as well as staying dumb? It will just cost more money, to support your dumbness? I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
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Posted - 2012.07.28 03:00:00 -
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^ Sorry to hurt your feelings, I mostly experienced you as annoying, and wanted to troll you, my apologies. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
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Posted - 2012.07.28 03:20:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:Lin-Young Borovskova wrote: No need to be an expert to realise a simple buff to some "pixels" will not and suddenly make bots be smarter. Thinking or pretending the other way around is just being idiot, paranoid, lacking totally of software knowledge (this is harder than be able to count up to 3) and talking out of an hairy pubbie arse.
Since you're such a smart hairy assed pubbie does buffing the most easily botted profession make botting easier or harder? You haven't explained why the bot argument is a bad one yet either internet security expert who graduated from MIT magna *** laude.
Its mostly, cause we don't care about the bots. We want to mine, not worry about bots. You should pick up mining, would close off some of that free time you have to worry about bots so much. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
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rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
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Posted - 2012.07.28 03:23:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Then CCP clearly doesn't follow their own stated intent as exhumers are T2 ships and are therefore supposed to be specialized. I agree insofar as T1 barges are concerned.
The ganker places an unwritten value on what they're willing to spend, regardless of if they gank for the profit or for the lulz. This is the trade off and it's different for each person. The fact remains that the higher total cost of a gank, the less gankers there will be. Miners could do this themselves, but they've whined and cried and now CCP is caving and has decided to coddle the hisec carebear masses.
I kind of think you are asking too much. This is mostly a band aid, or one of their paper cuts. Not a full drawn out rebalance. CCP is currently doing a full out rebalancing. But they are starting with frigs and moving to BS, then starting on the T2 line. With exhumers being T2 they are far back in line, for a rebalance. You are just gonna have to wait with Black ops and other ships for more specialization and worthyness. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
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Posted - 2012.07.28 04:24:00 -
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^You should cut down on the time recruiting and add more time to reading the barge changes. That is some nice number, but the cargo holds are anything but similiar. As for tanks, the macks and retrievers are decent, the proc is too much propably, but who cares.
Its not as beautiful though these changes as you had hoped for (as well as me hoping for better as well), but its not as bad as you are saying it is either. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
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Posted - 2012.07.28 04:30:00 -
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Hulk gets like what, 7k for ore hold compared to mack 30k or so?
For someone who hates bots so much, surely you would know what barge they would pick to bot in.
I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
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Posted - 2012.07.28 04:33:00 -
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Not gonna, don't have a bot to do that with. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
rodyas
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Posted - 2012.07.28 04:36:00 -
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Fine, the numbers are, ............1.........2..........3..........4..........and 5. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
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Posted - 2012.07.28 04:42:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:rodyas wrote:Not gonna, don't have a bot to do that with. Post the numbers then prove your point.
I forgot to prove my point after posting the numbers. The point is, that you only brought up mining yeild. And yes they are vastly the same. Which is glorious. The other glorius thing is that the mack get an ore hold the size of a jet can. That is the part you do not believe in. Also proc gets alot more armor, but who really cares, besides the happy go lucky cyno people. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
rodyas
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Posted - 2012.07.28 04:50:00 -
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^I have always agreed with the numbers you posted. But there are just more numbers then yeild.
I mostly brought it up, since you said all barges were the same, since they mine the same amount. Which I disagreed with. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
rodyas
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Posted - 2012.07.28 04:54:00 -
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nomlet wrote:Maybe it would be easier to swallow if the ships themselves had a battleship hull instead of being a cruiser class hull.
EDIT: Then leave the tankability to fitting. Those miners who didnt tank before still wont tank. As a miner, the ore hold is stupid. I think letting darwin allow people to sacrifice tank for a higher yield was just.
You must only mine in fleets then, or perhaps mulit-accounts. The ore hold is nothing to sneeze at so easily. You sound more like a tank then a miner. Since apperently Darwin says it is normal for miners not to mine. That is what nature indended here. Also normal for police, not to police. Normal for writers not to write. O Darwin what a genius. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
rodyas
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Posted - 2012.07.29 04:32:00 -
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Komen wrote:I started reading this thread, and I got that it SEEMS to be that ganking miners won't be profitable because it'll take too many gankers to accomplish now.
Which leaves gankers a couple options: Gank for fun, and screw the profit, or move on to other pastures in search of profitable PvP. I wish you all the best with whichever path you choose. And remember, in Eve, you must adapt or die. Unless you're a miner, I guess.
Hm, almost good point. But what about the destroyer and T3 BC expansion? Hm, lets see. Well it looks like gankers got a buff (As in couldn't adapt, and sadly wouldn't die) so CCP gave them cake and let them eat it. Lets see again. Now miners get a pretty much the same or equivalent expansion, it its only miners that can't adapt or die or whine too much, or were given cake and now can eat it.
I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
rodyas
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Posted - 2012.07.30 05:57:00 -
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And you vagabond........shalll.......die - emperor palpatine I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
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rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
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Posted - 2012.07.30 07:26:00 -
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Does anyone think, that if supers cost less, more would be out fighting. Or even with plummeting mineral costs, it would still cost to much to openly pvp or risk them? I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
rodyas
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Posted - 2012.07.30 07:27:00 -
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Dave stark wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:Octoven wrote:Ganking for profit lets see how that works, you have one ship topped out at 120 mil taking down a ship valued at 280 mil. The gank pilot makes a profit the miner loses. It goes beyond that though right? The gank toon grabs another nado and repeats the process, meanwhile that miner that just got ganked is busy grinding to replace his ****. Ok, fine he got ganked, miners arent bitching that they are getting ganked, they are bitching because the gankers lose such a small amount compared to the miner himself. Granted, this is eve and dark bullshit is everywhere. However, with changes to barges it will take at least 2 nados if not 3 to drop a barge. Even at 3 that puts ship cost at 270 mil for a 280 mil ship. Sounds like a fair deal to me. High sec isnt a pretty playland where you can comb each other's hair, you can STILL be ganked, its just going to cost you just as much as your costing the miner. If you want to be a pirate try your luck in low sec. In a logical sense, why is it so damn important to gank miners for profit? A 50-dollar steel mallet destroys a $300,000 Ferrari. A 10-million-dollar torpedo boat destroys a billion-dollar cruise ship. A few tens of billions of dollars spent on developing a nuclear weapons program can wipe out a trillion-dollar nation. It's much easier to destroy than to create. Establishing parity between the costs of production and destruction is exactly the thing that an open-ended game like EVE does not need. your analogies are wrong because neither of those things happen in 30 seconds.
What about pregnancy. A child can cost hundred of thousands of dollars, and all it took was $5 dollars of beer. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
rodyas
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Posted - 2012.08.01 01:18:00 -
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Its more then just buying it. Gotta change everything you do as well. Its one thing for me to go out and buy a new tv. Then another thing to actually use it all the time.
Thats some good advice, the next time you buy a gift for someone. Its more then just buying something. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
rodyas
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Posted - 2012.08.01 06:44:00 -
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fit two cargo expander? :) I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
rodyas
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Posted - 2012.08.01 06:53:00 -
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Yeah they don't have dead space cargo expanders or dead space MLUs, mining sucks. If they had those, I would propably fly the procurer, tank be worth it.
Hopefully someday, CCP Moses puts his hands on your hulk and cures it. Until then you just have CCP Goliath's ambigious promise of it being better tomorrow. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
rodyas
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Posted - 2012.08.01 06:54:00 -
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Does seem like the mack will be the go to ship for most people. Based on reading most players replies, they want the hulk to be pro, or only experts are allowed to drive it. One reason I chalked up, why everyone might fly a mack. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
rodyas
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Posted - 2012.08.01 07:02:00 -
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Seems kind of like a lame change, suppose its either Goliath's lame change tomorrow, or Goliath's ambigious change tomorrow.
Those SIS builds change too fast and too much for me, can't stand staying up with the changes. Though it does seem I might be flying two macks now, then a hulk and orca. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
rodyas
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Posted - 2012.08.01 07:11:00 -
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^ This thread was suppose to be about pigs, not tears. Don't make an ISD come here. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
rodyas
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Posted - 2012.08.01 07:15:00 -
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^ Pipa, is not a pro pvp troll, he told me he mined like years ago. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
rodyas
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Posted - 2012.08.01 07:21:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:rodyas wrote:^ Pipa, is not a pro pvp troll, he told me he mined like years ago. I PvPed years ago. I will never imply I am a pro EvE PvPer nor will put my beak into PvP balance discussions.
Sounds like you are steps ahead of pipa then, in finally realizing who you are. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
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rodyas
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Posted - 2012.08.01 08:11:00 -
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^ What was the trade off for the destroyer buff and new T3 BCs? You should have spoken up then, about balance and not overdoing something. Its too late to stop the dumb train now. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
rodyas
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Posted - 2012.08.02 04:59:00 -
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Canadian pigs, are the worst. Yet the best things. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
rodyas
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Posted - 2012.08.02 09:26:00 -
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oh, John Candy +1
Can we rename this thread. Space Balls: CCP saving overly entusiastic Yogurt fans from themselves.
(p.s. cookie is better then yogurt.) I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
rodyas
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Posted - 2012.08.02 10:29:00 -
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CCP Ytterbium wrote: GÇ£Is CCP trying to save stupid pigs from themselves?GÇ¥ We are attempting to give the pigs in question a chance to react and chose a path other that the one leading to the slaughterhouse. It doesnGÇÖt change the fact the slaughterhouse still exists, that there still a path to it, and that this path is very easy to fall into, even after the changes.
Of course the slaughter house still exist. This certain little piggy tastes delicious, and sure is salted well, after mining hard for hours. totally AFK mining, untanked as well. supported with botting software, slots fitted with cargo expanders and MLUs,Helping bring down mineral prices to an unfair state, just mining for hours, for the best salted taste. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
rodyas
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Posted - 2012.08.02 10:31:00 -
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Zhogon Tahll wrote: Oh wait, that's not going to help the piglets to suckle now is it? That's not going to bring any soft hearted NeX store customers into the game. NO CAN DO. +1 protection all day err day. Soon we will have gold ammo back once the whole customer base wants it.
Look what you brought into the thread, CCP. I think there are more then just pigs as the basic farm animal in this game that needs saving. I think the donkeys, are getting too ******** as well. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
rodyas
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Posted - 2012.08.02 10:31:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:CCP Ytterbium wrote:A properly fit Tornado delivers a volley of at least 9000 damage, which was far enough to destroy an untanked Hulk before it could react. What's the problem?
CCP answer his question, this piggy can't do it. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
rodyas
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Posted - 2012.08.02 10:52:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Dave stark wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:CCP Ytterbium wrote:A properly fit Tornado delivers a volley of at least 9000 damage, which was far enough to destroy an untanked Hulk before it could react. What's the problem? that bit, i'd imagine. that's how alpha works, hope this helps
So many good quotes you have, and so hard to multi-quote.
You bringing up alpha and how awesome it is, might be a bit foolhardy. CCP just stated they are for tiericide, since it allows other ships to shine, that were once shafted. If alpha is too good, then CCP might tiericide it, so other ships will be used.
Yeah the isk stuff, True a Hulk mines more then a destoyer, so its fair for the destroyer to blow it up. But effort then (like you goons like) to build and have a hulk, takes alot more effort, then to build and have then whatever ship you talk about. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
rodyas
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Posted - 2012.08.02 11:01:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:rodyas wrote:Yeah the isk stuff, True a Hulk mines more then a destoyer, so its fair for the destroyer to blow it up. But effort then (like you goons like) to build and have a hulk, takes alot more effort, then to build and have then whatever ship you talk about. Who ever said this game was supposed to be fair? You work for what you have in this game, just like in life, and anybody can come by and ruin it all, just like in life.
So you do support this patch then? With how this buff makes it unfair to you? And how this patch ruins all you worked for? Maybe we should change the mascot for this patch from pigs, to you. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
rodyas
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Posted - 2012.08.02 11:03:00 -
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Dave stark wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:Dave stark wrote:perhaps not so valid when we're talking about nados but i'm almost sure a destroyer can land on grid and bump a miner before they're aligned? Let me tell you about Orca bonuses and being aligned (i.e. moving) implying you must be in a fleet or you deserve to be ganked?
You deserve to be working hard in your farm, in over 100 degree heat, just to have bandits come in and **** all your family and burn all your crops down. That is what must happen, fleet up or face the consequence. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
rodyas
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Posted - 2012.08.02 11:12:00 -
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^ What is your opinion about blobs perhaps. If you ruin my AFK mining, I might just join a blob and AFK during that for my precious EVE time. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
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rodyas
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Posted - 2012.08.02 11:15:00 -
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Syphon Lodian wrote:Richard Desturned wrote: You work for what you have in this game, just like in life, and anybody can come by and ruin it all, just like in life.
You ugh.. you're um, blending a reality with a non-reality. You probably shouldn't be doing that.
Alchemy pooper. How games should follow the real world and so basic professions should be more real thread
is over ---> I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
rodyas
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Posted - 2012.08.02 11:21:00 -
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Also, you guys should quit trolling. Otherwise, CCP Ytterrbium won't come back and give us more fun things to talk about. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
rodyas
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Posted - 2012.08.02 11:32:00 -
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^ How would he get robbed though? Black people don't live or travel to the outskirts of a town. Mostly likely it might be someone he knows or trusts. Suppose the only foolish thing he did, was grow close to people. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
rodyas
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Posted - 2012.08.02 11:39:00 -
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^ You should take his tractor as well as his big screen tv.
You make it sound like they are more like hackers then common criminals as well. Which is true, hackers like money, and anyone who has it they will hack. So that guy living far from police will be helpless to a hack. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
rodyas
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Posted - 2012.08.02 11:40:00 -
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Cede Forster wrote:rodyas wrote:^ How would he get robbed though? Black people don't live or travel to the outskirts of a town. Mostly likely it might be someone he knows or trusts. Suppose the only foolish thing he did, was grow close to people.
EDIT: or drink coffee wow, the bottom line, now featuring a cellar
The bottom line is that black unemployment is a lot lower, then your unemployment. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
rodyas
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Posted - 2012.08.03 03:55:00 -
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Herr Wilkus wrote:Omg they surgically removed the best part of the OP. it isn't even a fairy tale any more. Of course I wasn't literally calling miners "pigs" it was an analogy!!! Now I want to blow my head off too, just like Jim Era.
GÇ£Is CCP trying to save stupid pigs from themselves?GÇ¥ We are attempting to give the pigs in question a chance to react and chose a path other that the one leading to the slaughterhouse. It doesnGÇÖt change the fact the slaughterhouse still exists, that there still a path to it, and that this path is very easy to fall into, even after the changes.
At least one last shred of magical fairy tale survived the fairy tale like purging of the ISD. And now to say something productive.
I kind of wish fitting options were discussed with the barges a bit perhaps. It seems they filled the roles nicely, maybe it won't be too bad though. I would almost prefere ike hybrid modules. A DCU that also gives ike 2-3% mining amount bonus. Sometimes you go full tank, and no one ganks, makes me feel dumb. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
rodyas
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Posted - 2012.08.03 04:21:00 -
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^ What about a new player, you want him to have core skills as well as mining skills, before he can mine with you.
You tell him to set skill queue for two months, with out playing the game.
Tell him to join later, and let him mine noobily and get ganked easily.
Tell him, yes this game does suck, and you should just skill queue and mostly chat. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
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Posted - 2012.08.03 05:26:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:rodyas wrote:^ What about a new player, you want him to have core skills as well as mining skills, before he can mine with you.
You tell him to set skill queue for two months, with out playing the game.
Tell him to join later, and let him mine noobily and get ganked easily.
Tell him, yes this game does suck, and you should just skill queue and mostly chat. Tell him "Grab a Procurer or Skiff while you train up for effective use of the Hulk" You'll be able to get great EHP out of either a procurer or skiff without much more than Tactical Shield Manipulation 1. Or grab the Ore Frigate. Miners are the only group in EVE who seem to take it as a requirement for mining at all that you be perfectly efficient in maximizing your income.
Yeah I forgot about the new mining barges. Mostly asked that question with the older barges in mind. I do see though, that the procurer would be a nice cocoon, for a new player to develop in. Much like a drake I suppose. Especially, with the mining yeild buff. Lots of armor and mining amount for a new player to have, while training other support skills. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
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Posted - 2012.08.03 06:55:00 -
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Yeah, but I wouldn't teach them anything, I hate doing though. Otherwise it could be nice as well. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
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Posted - 2012.08.03 09:49:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:
High Sec has a high presence of security forces. High Security. They work just like the Police in the real world, only unimaginably faster and more efficiently. That is to say, they punish criminals by blowing up their ship, and there's no way to escape that punishment. In addition, CONCORD keeps a list of all laws broken, so transgressors end up Outlaw, subject to summary execution by their fellow capsuleers.
That is the loophole the other poster was talking about. Gankers can bypass the punishment, with suck low isk ships in a gank, and still make money. They did try to reduce that loophole with no insurance payout. But that didn't help out enough yet.
Pipa is just too angry as a ganker or pvper, to let us miners mine in peace. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
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Posted - 2012.08.03 10:23:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:rodyas wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:
High Sec has a high presence of security forces. High Security. They work just like the Police in the real world, only unimaginably faster and more efficiently. That is to say, they punish criminals by blowing up their ship, and there's no way to escape that punishment. In addition, CONCORD keeps a list of all laws broken, so transgressors end up Outlaw, subject to summary execution by their fellow capsuleers.
That is the loophole the other poster was talking about. Gankers can bypass the punishment, with suck low isk ships in a gank, and still make money. They did try to reduce that loophole with no insurance payout. But that didn't help out enough yet. Pipa is just too angry as a ganker or pvper, to let us miners mine in peace. The only reason we can make money is because Miners are complicit in their own demise. Just like the only reason Hauler gankers can make money is that Hauler pilots are complicit in their own demise. Every single miner that I've ganked has sat there like a log while I maneuver my ship into the perfect position to open up. If you tank your Hulk, you cannot be ganked profitably in HS. In the higher sec bands, enough tank to be radically unprofitable fits in the mids/rigs. If you mine aligned and pay even the slightest attention to the overview, you cannot ever be ganked. Everyone else in EVE has to look at their screen on occasion to be effective. Why should miners be different?
Well yeah, CCP should add rear view mirrors, so we can watch you better. Also the tank stuff is alright, just that you don't always get ganked while you mine, so it feels sort of dumb, to always have a tank, if you never have to use it.
I almost don't mind that you gank miners, just was hoping to mine myself, so its a bit annoying. I know you guys have your own personal vendetta, but it just spills over into my game time. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
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Posted - 2012.08.03 10:32:00 -
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Misanth wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:rodyas wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:
High Sec has a high presence of security forces. High Security. They work just like the Police in the real world, only unimaginably faster and more efficiently. That is to say, they punish criminals by blowing up their ship, and there's no way to escape that punishment. In addition, CONCORD keeps a list of all laws broken, so transgressors end up Outlaw, subject to summary execution by their fellow capsuleers.
That is the loophole the other poster was talking about. Gankers can bypass the punishment, with suck low isk ships in a gank, and still make money. They did try to reduce that loophole with no insurance payout. But that didn't help out enough yet. Pipa is just too angry as a ganker or pvper, to let us miners mine in peace. The only reason we can make money is because Miners are complicit in their own demise. Just like the only reason Hauler gankers can make money is that Hauler pilots are complicit in their own demise. Every single miner that I've ganked has sat there like a log while I maneuver my ship into the perfect position to open up. If you tank your Hulk, you cannot be ganked profitably in HS. In the higher sec bands, enough tank to be radically unprofitable fits in the mids/rigs. If you mine aligned and pay even the slightest attention to the overview, you cannot ever be ganked. Everyone else in EVE has to look at their screen on occasion to be effective. Why should miners be different? Hey I want my expensive PvP ships to be "safe" from miners "PvP", let's put all mineral prices at a zero value! ..more serious note, I can't understand why people seriously argue isk (one way or another). It's always been the fact in EVE that the more expensive ship you fly, the 'weaker' you get proportionally. Ask CCP why supercapitals are not balanced based on their cost, and they'll laugh at you. Ask any PvPer that fly a cheap ship killing an expensive and ask him why that is even possible. Miners seems to be under the impression that they are different somehow. Friendly tip, either tank your ship (like Pipa and many other suggested), or take other precautions, or.. how about flying you know, something disposable, like, say a Barge? How many hours of mining do you have to spend to make up for that Hulk loss anyway? The added income from the bigger yield has to take quite alot of hours to make it worth it to begin with..
I thought you said isk didn't matter? why bring it up at the end? Well for the pvp side of things, skills, some players do bad fits, or they buy too expensive fits, with holes missing. I don't really fly the expensive tengu, but that does seem to mimic mining with a tank would save you. I just don't what the answer to the tengu problem is.
Pipa will tell us about the tengu and its weak tank. He doesn't like anyone to feel safe in hi sec, or at the log in screen. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
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Posted - 2012.08.03 10:36:00 -
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Because its enjoyable. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
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Posted - 2012.08.04 06:48:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:rodyas wrote:He doesn't like anyone to feel safe in hi sec, or at the log in screen. Neither does CCP. CCP Wrangler wrote:EVE is a dark and harsh world, you're supposed to feel a bit worried and slightly angry when you log in, you're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, that's what hello kitty online is for. If you want to mine in peace, on a server where you will not get ganked, CCP has very kindly made such a Server available to you.
But come on admit, me just happily mining away, AFK watching youtube videos of other miners getting ganked, while I keep say "won't happen to me, life sure is good" just get a little too much. And you would come down and gank me? Me just happily afk mining away, playing minecraft, and having to avoid screechers more then ganks. Almost close to, with that last one, but I want to make isk. SISI isn't very good for it.
Why doesn't CCP make the login in screen and new intro to log in screen, much more scary then? Seems more, friendly, business oreintated and fun more then scary. Makes me wonder if rated-R movies can be made in iceland or not. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
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Posted - 2012.08.04 07:27:00 -
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Well I was over-reacting a bit. Some places in EVE are safe enough to suit my mining, so it propably won't even be a big deal.
The good news is I am playing with some of you pvper's dumb ideas. Not the more tank, but to go to more recluse places, and rely on a frieghter to make it economically feasible. If you can't tank, get more cargo room, apperently. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
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Posted - 2012.08.04 07:48:00 -
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Well, I came up with a solution, that allows max yeild. Of course, I didn't start it with a quote, so touche.
Well some sacrifice, one of my alts, will have to be the frieghter, so both can't mine now. But perhaps I will save the ore in the station, till I am bored and naturally want to haul ore around. Maybe both pilots will be frieghters someday. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
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Posted - 2012.08.04 08:48:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:rodyas wrote:Well, I came up with a solution, that allows max yeild. Of course, I didn't start it with a quote, so touche.
Well some sacrifice, one of my alts, will have to be the frieghter, so both can't mine now. But perhaps I will save the ore in the station, till I am bored and naturally want to haul ore around. Maybe both pilots will be frieghters someday. Red Frog or Push. Or Scout some more to find an equally backwater system with a refinery station and get standings, then you'll just have to do one hauling run every 1-2b ISK of minerals you mine (ISK value of your freighter cargo depends entirely on your risk tolerance) or set up a courier every 1b. I'm trying to help you refine ( ) your solution.
Sorry, but I lose ISK paying others to haul for me, though if I something better else to do, I would be tempted to. The 1-2 billion, could work, since I don't have more accounts. Kind of had a small hope, you pvpers would convince CCP to add more fitting options to freighters, as it stands now I will be forced to AFK haul or something. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
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Posted - 2012.08.04 09:03:00 -
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All I read there, was a story of man who got tired of life, and wanted to quit.
I like being versatile, working in a group is nice, but its hard to find others with common goals. Usually everyone has things they would rather do, and go seperate ways. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
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Posted - 2012.08.05 03:42:00 -
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But blowing ISK on overblown ships is what this game is about though. :(
Why go to jita, lots of other market places up.
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Posted - 2012.08.06 04:02:00 -
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Beekeeper Bob wrote:Attempting to keep this thread alive single-handedly? Face it, you simply want easy mode ganking noobs, and your bent over the fact that you can't have that anymore.... Go learn to fight real ships, it's much more entertaining.
Well for good reason too. The OP came back and started discussin real issues. Was just being a good custodian.
Yeah the hulk stats look a bit weak really. Guess I shouldn't be surprised though. I fly gallente, and shouldn't have expected more then the gallente buff.
That said, it does depend on remote locations and how often they come for ganks. Gonna take me a while to get a final decision made. Just won't be risking a hulk until I see how things pan out. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
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Posted - 2012.08.06 04:26:00 -
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And now you are being griefed. Or have been griefed for the last 3.5 years. I don't know why you are complaining, escpecially since the EULA allows you "griefers" to be griefed. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
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Posted - 2012.08.06 05:25:00 -
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Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:rodyas wrote:And now you are being griefed. Or have been griefed for the last 3.5 years. I don't know why you are complaining, escpecially since the EULA allows you "griefers" to be griefed. Except that I'm not complaining that I'm being griefed. I have never once been griefed in this game, nor have I done so to anyone else, nor would I. Guess what? Neither have you, unless you can prove that someone is following/harassing you on an extended basis solely for malicious enjoyment, or if an experienced player tried to can-/wreck-bait you in a starter system when you were new. These are griefing as CCP defines it, and can get a person banned. What is so hard about this? The "less-savoury" aspects of EVE play-styles are not griefing, and never were. Kindly take your other-MMO-informed preconceptions, and put them somewhere far away from this one, please, EVE =/= WoW and clones, nor will it ever. Next!
Oh it does seem like we have a vocabulary problem. How smart of you to see it and call it out.
Hm, will be hard to say it now. Lets see, I was equating griefing to ganking, to CCP ignoring you and not buffing you at all.
So in a way CCP has been ganking you for 3.5 years. Just how hard it sounded, made me think of griefing, but in the legal sense it is not. So welcome to CCP ignoring you for the next 3.5 years, since that is the EULA at work. (and they are not griefing you) I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
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Posted - 2012.08.06 06:00:00 -
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Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:rodyas wrote:
Oh it does seem like we have a vocabulary problem. How smart of you to see it and call it out.
Hm, will be hard to say it now. Lets see, I was equating griefing to ganking, so CCP ganking you when they ignored you and not buffed you at all.
So in a way CCP has been ganking you for 3.5 years. Just how hard it sounded, made me think of griefing, but in the legal sense it is not. So welcome to CCP ignoring you for the next 3.5 years, since that is the EULA at work. (and they are not griefing you)
Except that ganking isn't griefing. CCP defines what griefing is, and they have never said "suicide ganking = griefing," in fact just the opposite somewhere, IIRC. And no, CCP isn't "griefing" us the way you put it, because we will adapt, after some grumbling. That's what proper MMOG sandbox players do. Because, you know, EVE Is Hard (TM), and that's what makes it good. Except that you lot have just had an easy-button handed to you, which I thought CCP was dealing with (ref.: Blap-Titans nerf, logoff-under-aggro mechanics)? Something you lot utterly refuse to do, unless you count this now year-plus old Whinge-Baby Jihad(TM) as "adapting." (Hint: It's not.) As for the gankers? Bring Kinetics. Lots of it! E: Oh, much longer than that, 3.5 years-plus is just my time in EVE. Long before my time --so grandma tells me, anyway -- you could tank, fight, and destroy CONCORD, although I think that they'd finish you eventually, and escape them through a BLOPs portal (as you can BLOPs bridge from hisec just fine, just not into it.) before CCP hard-coded that out. It sounds to me like you would have really had something to whinge about then, bru.
eh, I 'll take it. The mining barge buff. Sounds better then what you have to do.
Also us just agreeing on vocabulary mistakes, doesn't makes us brus. That takes time, effort, and alot of AFK mining together to make us brus. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
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Posted - 2012.08.07 07:55:00 -
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Buff pods. Tiericide them and give us different options, as well as more fitting options. I am tired of going AFK and someone pods me. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
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Posted - 2012.08.07 08:00:00 -
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Its entirely the fault that single play pods bring. Only one option, and only one option to fly them. By actually looking at the screen and clicking buttons. I need one with armor/bigger fluid hold to support my body, from the heavy duress AFK puts me in.
Would AFKing in a shuttle help? What do I have to AFK in before I get respect? I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
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Posted - 2012.08.07 08:06:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Herr Wilkus wrote:pussnheels wrote:why is the OP still allowed to post his junk It is obvious he is not capable of anything beyond griefing others with battleclinic fits and then dare to call it PVP Oh, I don't know about that. Last time I posted about 'griefing' CCP had to emergency patch the game and buff Concord again. My my, that sounds like a powerful weapon. Don't use it for evil.
He already is evil. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
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Posted - 2012.08.07 08:10:00 -
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Tippia wrote:pussnheels wrote:why is the OP still allowed to post his junk Why wouldn't he be? Quote:CCP he is not the majority of your subscribers far from GǪso tell me, what is the majority of the subscribers, according to you?
Carebears, and afk miners, as well as poor people, who wanted technetium. As well as a bunch of people to stupid to use a badly designed feature as well as the feature being equally dumb. Blind leading the blind. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
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Posted - 2012.08.07 08:27:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:rodyas wrote:Carebears, and afk miners, as well as poor people, who wanted technetium. As well as a bunch of people to stupid to use a badly designed feature as well as the feature being equally dumb. Blind leading the blind. funny that this game lasted 9 years with an environment where you could be mercilessly murdered in the "safe" area
Not many people played it though. Games like this usually have less players as a trade off. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
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Posted - 2012.08.07 08:40:00 -
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They don't sell time cards at major stores though, Same with star wars galaxies (And I meant, before they shut that down). They don't even run commercials, like a large entity would.
In a small tank, yes EVE looks big, but in a normal tank, its kind of small. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
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Posted - 2012.08.07 08:49:00 -
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True, it could.
But jester has a paranoid blog post. On CCP trying to tame down EVE, so they can get more players from that. I mostly meant its hard to get both. Hard to easily gank or suicide gank, as well as increase playerbase. Gotta choose one or the other. I mostly don't care anyway. But it is annoying if you have to use stores to get a game or time card, and no stores sell the game you want to play. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
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Posted - 2012.08.07 09:02:00 -
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Well true, I usually thought each development company offered something different or was unique. But WoW was huge, so even with being unique you would grow jealous of it.
Well I mostly see it as investment. If you invest more, you last longer. Games for the masses, don't invest much, but invest in a fun ways. So it can die fast becuase of it.
I mostly joined EVE, cause the devs promised, constant change and content for the game. (Two expansions a year). Sounded sweet. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
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Posted - 2012.08.07 09:11:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:rodyas wrote:Well true, I usually thought each development company offered something different or was unique. But WoW was huge, so even with being unique you would grow jealous of it.
Well I mostly see it as investment. If you invest more, you last longer. Games for the masses, don't invest much, but invest in a fun ways. So it can die fast becuase of it.
I mostly joined EVE, cause the devs promised, constant change and content for the game. (Two expansions a year). Sounded sweet. One time a company named Sony Online Entertainment thought that changing a game called "Star Wars Galaxies" to reduce the amount of grinding and reduce the complexity of the game would bring in "the masses." They shut their servers down four years later.
Yeah sadly I wasn't around during that time. What I call european type games were still hard for me to get into. I did pick up Star Wars galaxy the free trial (Nothing else sold in stores) a year and a half ago and I enjoyed it. But it had a bad market, and I couldn't get the Kyshakk expansion where I heard the best spaceship salvage was at.
If anything EVE is the opposite of Star Wars galaxies in a way. Star Wars, had an incredible grind and time sink, for a very worthwhile character. EVE has the kind of similiar grind and time sink, (the titan) but alot of people don't see it as cool as a jedi or sith, when they get there. But perhaps some do think it is as sweet as a jedi, who knows. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
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Posted - 2012.08.07 09:31:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:rodyas wrote:If anything EVE is the opposite of Star Wars galaxies in a way. Star Wars, had an incredible grind and time sink, for a very worthwhile character. EVE has the kind of similiar grind and time sink, (the titan) but alot of people don't see it as cool as a jedi or sith, when they get there. But perhaps some do think it is as sweet as a jedi, who knows. The difference is that EVE has outlived SWG. There's a difference between introducing new content (i.e. new tools, not new "theme park rides") and changing the game entirely, even in one "part" of the game. "Don't fly what you can't afford to lose" should apparently only apply outside of hisec?
Well I don't really have alot of ISK to see it the way you do. I mostly see it as this. Null sec is hard, and with players dealing with how hard it is, they get new ships and modules. Now does hi-sec deserve to get these new things, to easily, after other people only got them after hard work. Like tech, that stuff is hard to get, so you wouldn't want hi sec, to get it so easily. I don't see it as, hi sec would make more money then we would if they had it. Like it tech, started to be easier to get and to have, then I might not mind that it was open to hi sec. But like I said, it would have to be really easy for null sec to have it, before I would want it in hi sec. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
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Posted - 2012.08.07 09:56:00 -
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Yeah but the devs, didn't die in burn jita, and they didn't kill anyone in it. They are just people not apart of it talking about it. Why would I listen to them?
You keep quoting the Devs, but I havn't seen them doing any hardcore, the way you make it seem.
Like when is the last time a dev talked about scamming someone? or suicideing someone? All they did, was pack faction ships full of gear, and float through null, till they were popped. Sure it was fun, but not scary. I don't think anything scared me about that. (Besides how they allowed T2BPOs to drop from their ships.)
If anything pipa, I would say your Gods are dead. Time to find a new religion. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
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Posted - 2012.08.07 10:05:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:rodyas wrote:Well I don't really have alot of ISK to see it the way you do. I mostly see it as this. Null sec is hard, and with players dealing with how hard it is, they get new ships and modules. Now does hi-sec deserve to get these new things, to easily, after other people only got them after hard work. Like tech, that stuff is hard to get, so you wouldn't want hi sec, to get it so easily. I don't see it as, hi sec would make more money then we would if they had it. Like it tech, started to be easier to get and to have, then I might not mind that it was open to hi sec. But like I said, it would have to be really easy for null sec to have it, before I would want it in hi sec. Moon mining shouldn't be introduced to hisec simply because towers are virtually immune there.
Yeah that fits in with the too easy. It would be too easy to have tech then. No reason to move it there anyhow, if you want tech, there are ways to get it, plus alchemy really. Anymore ideas on it and I would be going over my head. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
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Posted - 2012.08.07 10:16:00 -
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Pipa isn't being infantile, she is just doing what the devs tell her to do. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
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Posted - 2012.08.07 21:00:00 -
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Sentamon wrote:Pipa Porto wrote: Why should ship balancing for Mining barges be based on what the least skillful pilot can dream up? No other ship is balanced that way.
Omg you used mining and skillful pilot in the same sentence. Good show.
The drake is balanced that way.
Perhaps minmitar to an extent, with how far their guns can shoot. Also minmitar drones, gets second best dmg, plus speed I think, and shafts another race to get that bonus. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
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Posted - 2012.08.07 22:27:00 -
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And becuase they exist, CCP can choose to buff us in response. Surprise I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
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Posted - 2012.08.07 22:28:00 -
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Shield upgrades 5 is kind of silly though, unless you fly all shield tank ships. The hulk is shield tanked though, so perhaps not too silly. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
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Posted - 2012.08.07 22:31:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:rodyas wrote:And becuase they exist, CCP can choose to buff us in response. Surprise because suicide ganking has never been nerfed ever lol
A bit confused on that messageing, unless you count loggofski nerf, making it harder for capitals to gank, or maybe the AOE titan nerf, making it harder for them to gank.
Mostly hear about the nano nerf and other ones, like jump bridges and stuff.
Not up to the times with ganker nerfs. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
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Posted - 2012.08.07 22:33:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Yeep wrote:Nerf Burger wrote: I never said suicide ganking should be eliminated. Like soundwave, I LOVE that it is possible. I just don't think it should be profitable, easy, and with such a predictable result.
Lets say I fully expand an Iteron V and fill it with Estamel's Invulns. Thats 8369 modules at 18bil a piece, or 150,642,000,000,000ISK of value. Lets assume a gank fit Tornado is the best value for money at 150mil a ship it does roughly 10.5k alpha and in low highsec gets 2 shots off before Concord shows up. To lose isk it would take 1,004,280 Tornados. So an untanked, fully expanded Iteron V should have 21,089,880 EHP. Thats just over half the health of a fully officer tanked titan. But thats ok because ganking isn't supposed to be profitable. oh please, you can fill an expanded Iteron V with GêP titan blueprints so they should have GêP EHP
well to be fair, There are not basic ships designed to haul titan blueprints, so blaming the pilot is a bit far. They do have the cov-ops hauler. But in a way, the shuttle can be the best hauler, who would have seen that. And perhaps is that bad game design? I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
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Posted - 2012.08.07 22:38:00 -
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Yeah forgot about those, just wasn't too much whining about them, so easily forgotten.
But the goons did offer payments to help cover the insurance nerf, so perhaps that kept people from whining too much, and then me forgetting about it.
Well hi sec, is supppose to be more then people ganking others, so those nerfs came. If you choke out the activites in an area, you can pretty much expect a nerf to come.
You guys argue as if, ganking is the only thing that happens in hi sec, so its hard to see why all these nerfs happen to you. Gotta go out and explore and find new things. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
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Posted - 2012.08.07 22:39:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Nerf Burger wrote:
alright,, I guess i have to spell it out for you. Its obviously not supposed to be a viable profession. This has been confirmed by a DEV. Only with recent changes has minger ganking become reliably profitable, an obvious mistake. A dev TOLD YOU and you are still here saying the sky is black. Anyway, I'm done wasting my time arguing with forum dwellers that can't grasp risk/reward, simple concepts and other perspectives. Have fun dedicating your life to posting here, arguing like a radio.
Acctually before the insurance nerf it was profitable to kill miners with a thorax thanks to the insurance payout. What changed was that my corp went and did it on an industrial scale. Also if the DEVs are stopping us from ganking for profit why did they alter the stats on barges so that on the 8th they can still be killed for a profit?
Because they are too afraid to be lame. I am not that way, but they are. It is kind of irksome they are that way, but who knows what to do about it. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
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Posted - 2012.08.07 22:40:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:Shield Management 5, Tactical Shield Ops 4, Engineering 5, Electronics 5, Exhumers 5, Shield Upgrades 1, Energy Management 5, Hull Upgrades 1, Shield Rigging 1 to be fair this tank requires shield upgrades V but that's so trivial that screaming "WELL THAT'S AN ALL LEVEL 5 CHARACTER YOU THEORYCRAFTED IT WITH" is sillynevermind, works with SU I Wouldn't you also need hull upgrades V and mechanic V to get the full base EHP of the ship as well? Not a very big difference. vs Void, Mechanic 0 and Hull Upgrades 0 only costs you 1900 EHP.
Well that strategy mostly works, if you use a damage control unit If you don't use one, might not be worth getting the extra life from lvl 5 skills. Even then, you might still be gankable, so the entire effort is worthless. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
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Posted - 2012.08.07 22:52:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:rodyas wrote:Well that strategy mostly works, if you use a damage control unit If you don't use one, might not be worth getting the extra life from lvl 5 skills. Even then, you might still be gankable, so the entire effort is worthless. So now the problem is being gankable at all. I see. I thought you were OK with suicide ganks, just not profitable ones.
Well good point, a lot of views and gameplay kind of flows back and forth during these discussions, and its hard to always be in one flow.
I don't really support ganking being profitable, unless it npc ganking. Kind of like how missions are or ratting. (But people usually get bored ganking NPCs unless its a main boss or something. Like Sansha herself appearing in an incursion, people might line up to gank her.)
The other flow or gameplay, is how overwhelming the gankers seem to be. It seems like you are surrounded by them, and they will never leave or go away. That gameplay is the one I was talking about in that post. Like has been said here, even if ganking was unprofitable, pilots would still try to gank you. Which ends up leaving you feel, like you are surrounded by them, and they will never leave ya alone. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
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Posted - 2012.08.07 23:03:00 -
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I did mine in a tanked mining vessel once. But no one ganked me so everytime I undocked with a tank on I felt stupid. It felt like fitting bubbles on a hic, but you know you are only flying in low sec space.
If you could promise me everytime I undock someone would attempt to gank me, unprofitalbe or profitable I would fit a tank. (and not feel stupid)
but no one can promise that, so fitting a tank is boring and almost pointless.
Of course I was ice mining, I realized there are only a few places to mine ice, so its popular to go there to gank, Easy to find prey or its automatic to have some. So I will either not mine ice, or perhaps fit a tank to mine ice, depending if I feel a tank keeps me safe enough. Otherwise, I will propably bugger off to places harder to find prey, so gankers lose the sense of excitement, and I can mine in my own fashion. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
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Posted - 2012.08.07 23:05:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:rodyas wrote: Well good point, a lot of views and gameplay kind of flows back and forth during these discussions, and its hard to always be in one flow.
I don't really support ganking being profitable, unless it npc ganking. Kind of like how missions are or ratting. (But people usually get bored ganking NPCs unless its a main boss or something. Like Sansha herself appearing in an incursion, people might line up to gank her.)
The other flow or gameplay, is how overwhelming the gankers seem to be. It seems like you are surrounded by them, and they will never leave or go away. That gameplay is the one I was talking about in that post. Like has been said here, even if ganking was unprofitable, pilots would still try to gank you. Which ends up leaving you feel, like you are surrounded by them, and they will never leave ya alone.
The only place where ganking is overwhelming is these forums. In the game itself ganking is a rather rare event outside hulkageddon.
Yeah true, I am often left feeling that way, which leads to confusion on what to post about. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
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Posted - 2012.08.07 23:06:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:rodyas wrote:It felt like fitting bubbles on a hic, but you know you are only flying in low sec space. let me tell you about the script you fit on that module as for the rest of your post, I thought ganking was LITERALLY MAKING THE GAME UNPLAYABLE
It was, but you adapt as you said. Of course parts of mining have to shut down during the adaptation stage (much like in movies in where the humanity is lost during the adaptation stage) So its not a complete adaptation, and still seeing if it is worth it or not. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
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Posted - 2012.08.07 23:18:00 -
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I was ganked once, it was alright, killed in low sec as well. So those places are in shutdown, till it doesn't happen in a way.
You will have to tell me about wearing a seatbelt, I havn't worn one for awhile, and I forgot what the feel of a collar feels like. As for an umbrella, it sucked carrying it around. As for no helmet while skiing, that is easy, just don't panic when you hit someone, just grab them in yoru arms, and flex to keep them safe and roll with them, using your body to protect them. That is what I do, helmets are for noobs. Though I was hoping to snowboard amongst the trees, and I was hoping to use a helmet for that, since I would be new at it.
The me being dense part is this. Mining while tanked so no one ganks you, is not a victory condition, you don't win EVE for it, then get flown to iceland for people to celebrate your victory. You have to mine on, and when you mine on with a tank and no one ganks you, it gets boring. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
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Posted - 2012.08.07 23:21:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:baltec1 wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Umm you do realize Goonswarm was paying extra bounties for mining barge and exhumer kills? the whole hulkagedon forever thing.
Its amazing how few people have taken up this offer. i paid out like 5b the other day for like 4 days worth of ganks i also convinced the guy who was handling your perma-mwd megathron reimbursement request to pay it out
You should respect the the plea for the reimbursement for the perma-mwd megathron, it is really hard to run from low sec camps, and he was doing his best.
I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
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Posted - 2012.08.07 23:22:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Frying Doom wrote:So in the end it comes down to Mining ship changes bad for tech moon owners business. aaaand here comes the tinfoil you should ask rubyporto how much tech his alliance holds
But ruby porto is a miner, what would he know about a pvp allaince's finances? I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
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Posted - 2012.08.07 23:27:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:rodyas wrote:But ruby porto is a miner, what would he know about a pvp allaince's finances? what He's talking about how I used to be a Miner. Exhumers 4, Bayyyybe. I have since reformed.
Its an old joke, back when pipa would post in the lame mining thread I created. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
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Posted - 2012.08.07 23:28:00 -
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Yeep wrote:rodyas wrote: You will have to tell me about wearing a seatbelt, I havn't worn one for awhile, and I forgot what the feel of a collar feels like.
So I guess when you crash and fly through the windscreen and end up in a wheelchair for life you'll sue the manufacturer of the car you hit for not making it soft enough.
Perhaps, who knows what I will do when the time comes. Most likely I will just get disability ( you paying for me, through your own pocket) then just play EVE all day. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
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Posted - 2012.08.07 23:30:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:rodyas wrote:But ruby porto is a miner, what would he know about a pvp allaince's finances? what He's talking about how I used to be a Miner. Exhumers 4, Bayyyybeeee. I have since reformed.
Its kind of funny, my old CEO was the same as you. Started out mining, then moved to pirating and said it was much more fun. I am still kind of expecting that to happen to me someday, Just wake up and turn pirate, but it hasn't happened yet. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
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Posted - 2012.08.07 23:45:00 -
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My route was> mine> realized mining was worthless>move onto missions and do combat> realize different skills branched into other professions and playstyles> train up those other professions> Also make friends during that> mining ops were fun> meet people in null by half the corp going down there> having everyone down there turn into complete dicks over ****> Me leaving the corp and alliance> me enjoying the crack of npc corp> me wanting to start a pos so I left it and started researching>to me trolling the forums a lot, as well as afk mining here and there when I am tired or so.
I also thought about stealing paltry sums of millions when I left the corp, but realized with them even being dicks, I wasn't in leadership, so I thought just blocking them all and leaving would be enough. If I was in leadership and same thing happened, propably would have taken everything I could have. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
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Posted - 2012.08.08 00:31:00 -
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The goonz are bad, not really, I thought about joining them when I first started. (for the worst reason, just to get easy access to the best roids in null, man would have that blown up in my face.) Mostly didn't join them , since it felt like they warped the game when you played with them, and I wanted to play the game and see what it was like before joining them or other alliances. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
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Posted - 2012.08.08 01:31:00 -
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I just started EVE to mine, and the best roids are in null. And goons owned null space. (I also had a somethingawful account, but have forgotten the password. mostly mean that I know now the goons have to worry about spies so you have to be an active member to join GSF, didn't know that at the start as well.) So instant access to what I wanted. This all before I really played much, and knew about the eve economy. I also rolled gallente, so it shows I didn't really know much about this game, before I started. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
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Posted - 2012.08.09 03:41:00 -
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Looks like all the little piggies made it to market this time. Hurray!!!!! I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
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Posted - 2012.08.15 11:19:00 -
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^ But don't you have to step on their lawn, to give their logo back? I am just a simple miner, and those logo placing and lawn treading mechanics are a bit over my head. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
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Posted - 2012.08.16 04:10:00 -
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Yeah, but there is like a lot more of us miners, and we are more afky, and carebear, and way more solo, anti-social then those wimpy off grid boosters. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
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Posted - 2012.08.28 05:16:00 -
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The only thing that made sense for me with that article (besides the obvious glen beck writing and thinking style) was about BoB. Mostly about how the directors defended themselves form the accusations of CCP help. The thing is (mostly joking) but if a CCP employee helped you out, which they always could, but would it really help you out? Or help out a lot?
Mostly mean is that CCP people probably did help them out, but come on how much could they do? They don't get polaris ships to help out. That is why the directors had to defend somewhat. Sure CCP helps when they join your side, but do they help out that much? Like instant game over? I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
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Posted - 2012.08.28 05:16:00 -
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Just meant, CCP joined our side (the miners) but we are still gankable, even with their help. Its not really an instant game over, the way you guys are making it out to be. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
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Posted - 2012.08.28 07:17:00 -
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^ They are this winter. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
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Posted - 2012.08.28 09:11:00 -
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But there might be a reason, why someone wants to kill a frog.
Perhaps the frog should learn that as well. To help keep the pot exercise from becoming perpetual. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
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Posted - 2012.08.28 09:46:00 -
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I suppose the hi sec pot was built on the backs of the frog gankers. I usually see us normal hi seccers as the original hi seccers., but you say the ganking frogs we try to boil, were the first there. Not sure maybe they were, they suck as in frogs were used as a plague, but if plague frogs were there first, they were there first. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
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Posted - 2012.08.28 10:10:00 -
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Oh well, who knows. Suppose anything could be patched in in the future. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
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