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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.07.27 09:07:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Jorma Morkkis wrote:Way to take that 15k EHP out of context...
You were claiming Hulk is T1 cruiser.
Avg. EHP for T1 cruiser is around 10k-15k EHP. with a tank fitted
Yes. Is there a part you didn't understand? |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released Verge of Collapse
710
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Posted - 2012.07.27 09:08:00 -
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OP is seriously ßâÜ(a¦át¢èa¦áßâÜ) I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
Pipa Porto
519
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Posted - 2012.07.27 09:08:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Way to take that 15k EHP out of context...
You were claiming Hulk is T1 cruiser.
Avg. EHP for T1 cruiser is around 10k-15k EHP.
Jorma Morkkis wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:2) Even if that were true, what's the problem? You say it can be tanked to make profitable ganking impossible. Two T1 gank fit Catalysts can destroy it in 0.5 even with maximum tank (15k EHP). https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1595540#post1595540
Jorma Morkkis wrote:All it takes to gank tanked Hulk in 0.5 is two Catalysts (~30 million ISK). https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1565883#post1565883 EvE: Everyone vs Everyone |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1467
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Posted - 2012.07.27 09:09:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Yes. Is there a part you didn't understand?
the hulk will have 15k ehp without fitting a tank at all EVE Online: Trammel (or NGE) |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
123
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Posted - 2012.07.27 09:09:00 -
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Ok, for Minnie cruisers because they have other ways to get away. |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1467
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Posted - 2012.07.27 09:11:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Ok, for Minnie cruisers because they have other ways to get away.
yes we should just give exhumers the agility and speed of a dramiel, the tank of a brick damnation and the mining yield of a hulk just because
i guess a damnation should be able to mine just like a hulk then, because it's expensive too EVE Online: Trammel (or NGE) |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
123
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Posted - 2012.07.27 09:15:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Jorma Morkkis wrote:Ok, for Minnie cruisers because they have other ways to get away. yes we should just give exhumers the agility and speed of a dramiel, the tank of a brick damnation and the mining yield of a hulk just because i guess a damnation should be able to mine just like a hulk then, because it's expensive too
You forgot neuting power of Curse. Because neuts are the modules that seperates Minmatar from inferior races. |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1467
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Posted - 2012.07.27 09:19:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:Jorma Morkkis wrote:Ok, for Minnie cruisers because they have other ways to get away. yes we should just give exhumers the agility and speed of a dramiel, the tank of a brick damnation and the mining yield of a hulk just because i guess a damnation should be able to mine just like a hulk then, because it's expensive too You forgot neuting power of Curse. Because neuts are the modules that seperates Minmatar from inferior races.
the curse is an amarr ship
i thought the gold plated hull and "amarr cruiser" requirement would give that away EVE Online: Trammel (or NGE) |
Tarassse
Republic University Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.07.27 09:25:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:with crimewatch, ganking idiots who officer fit their mission ships and carry 20 plexes in shuttles will mean that your mule alt will have to deal with being shot at by dudes with neutral logis that you can't shoot at
and you can't really kill that proteus yourself because, well, it's basically you vs everyone in hisec, and his RR alt that you can't shoot will keep him from dying
Your griefer tears are exquisite. Please go on, goon scum.
Btw, U MAD? |
Dave stark
Bombardier Inc
278
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Posted - 2012.07.27 09:27:00 -
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Tarassse wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:with crimewatch, ganking idiots who officer fit their mission ships and carry 20 plexes in shuttles will mean that your mule alt will have to deal with being shot at by dudes with neutral logis that you can't shoot at
and you can't really kill that proteus yourself because, well, it's basically you vs everyone in hisec, and his RR alt that you can't shoot will keep him from dying Your griefer tears are exquisite. Please go on, goon scum. Btw, U MAD?
oh look, a goon posted! let's skip over the entire point and just call it tears. sigh... Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |
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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
123
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Posted - 2012.07.27 09:28:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:the curse is an amarr ship
i thought the gold plated hull and "amarr cruiser" requirement would give that away
Original design is from Minmatar scientists.
Even Rupture can solo two Prophecies... |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1715
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Posted - 2012.07.27 09:31:00 -
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Vaju Enki wrote:It's just another nail in the coffin.... im not interested in experiencing another Ultima Online Trammel amputation in EvE. I will never go thru that experience again, it's just too painfull.
Sad times we live, the last true old school sandbox mmo being is ripped apart. Even the forums have been "trammelized".
First of all it's not "the last true old school sandbox MMO".
Second, EvE is dying since 2003 and also being Trammel-ized since they made CONCORD un-tankable, added warp to zero and nerfed nano boats. Long live EvE! Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1468
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Posted - 2012.07.27 09:33:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Second, EvE is dying since 2003 and also being Trammel-ized since they made CONCORD un-tankable, added warp to zero and nerfed nano boats. Long live EvE!
no, Crimewatch IS effectively Trammelizing it considering that they're doing literally everything they can do discourage suicide ganks even on those who decide that a shuttle is the best way to move 70 PLEX around. EVE Online: Trammel (or NGE) |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1468
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Posted - 2012.07.27 09:35:00 -
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Tarassse wrote:Your griefer tears are exquisite. Please go on, goon scum. Btw, U MAD?
You should go play another MMO if you want to safely PvE in a designated safe zone. EVE Online: Trammel (or NGE) |
dexington
83
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Posted - 2012.07.27 09:35:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Second, EvE is dying since 2003 and also being Trammel-ized since they made CONCORD un-tankable, added warp to zero and nerfed nano boats. Long live EvE! no, Crimewatch IS effectively Trammelizing it considering that they're doing literally everything they can do discourage suicide ganks even on those who decide that a shuttle is the best way to move 70 PLEX around.
How is crimewatch doing to stop you from blowing up the shuttle? GÇ£The best way to keep something bad from happening is to see it ahead of time, and you can't see it if you refuse to face the possibility.GÇ¥-á |
DrSmegma
Smegma United Asgard Supplies and Logistics
67
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Posted - 2012.07.27 09:39:00 -
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Man, I blew up in shuttle once in low sec. My only kill in several years of game time. .......... and damn, it was worth every second. Hahahahahahaha. I showed that autopiloting moron. I don't really want to troll you. If I trolled you anyway, I'll probably edit it out as soon as the rage fades. |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1468
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Posted - 2012.07.27 09:41:00 -
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dexington wrote:How is crimewatch doing to stop you from blowing up the shuttle?
It's not going to stop you from blowing it up, just from making it worth your while. It's going to equalize response times in all of hisec, so system sec is absolutely irrelevant. Killing anything will mean that you'll be chased by faction navies because your sec status will instantly go -5. Anyone can shoot you for looting a wreck or can - not just members of the player corporation "owning" that wreck/can.
That isn't a "reasonable consequence," that's a complete and total nerf to virtually all PvP in hisec that takes place outside of dumb ~honour fights~ and wardecs.
"Cold and harsh universe" my aching ass. Trammel.
Oh, and "risk/reward?" They're rebuffing incursions and nullsec is taking another nerf. EVE Online: Trammel (or NGE) |
DrSmegma
Smegma United Asgard Supplies and Logistics
67
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Posted - 2012.07.27 09:42:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:dexington wrote:How is crimewatch doing to stop you from blowing up the shuttle? It's not going to stop you from blowing it up, just from making it worth your while. It's going to equalize response times in all of hisec, so system sec is absolutely irrelevant. Killing anything will mean that you'll be chased by faction navies because your sec status will instantly go -5. Anyone can shoot you for looting a wreck or can - not just members of the player corporation "owning" that wreck/can. That isn't a "reasonable consequence," that's a complete and total nerf to virtually all PvP in hisec that takes place outside of dumb ~honour fights~ and wardecs. "Cold and harsh universe" my aching ass. Trammel.
Excuse me. Did I miss anything? Is that actually going to be implemented? I don't really want to troll you. If I trolled you anyway, I'll probably edit it out as soon as the rage fades. |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1468
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Posted - 2012.07.27 09:45:00 -
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DrSmegma wrote:Excuse me. Did I miss anything? Is that actually going to be implemented?
Not to mention that the dudes shooting you can bring all the RR and ships they want, and you literally won't be able to RR yourself at all. EVE Online: Trammel (or NGE) |
Manar Detri
26
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Posted - 2012.07.27 09:47:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:dexington wrote:How is crimewatch doing to stop you from blowing up the shuttle? It's not going to stop you from blowing it up, just from making it worth your while. It's going to equalize response times in all of hisec, so system sec is absolutely irrelevant. Killing anything will mean that you'll be chased by faction navies because your sec status will instantly go -5. Anyone can shoot you for looting a wreck or can - not just members of the player corporation "owning" that wreck/can. That isn't a "reasonable consequence," that's a complete and total nerf to virtually all PvP in hisec that takes place outside of dumb ~honour fights~ and wardecs. "Cold and harsh universe" my aching ass. Trammel. Oh, and "risk/reward?" They're rebuffing incursions and nullsec is taking another nerf.
The tears are strong in this one. Nothings set in stone and you cry like a baby already. That aside, it was plain stupid that you can gank a mining ship with a few catalysts, even if it was tanked to hell and back. You do know that the amoutn of tank you can fit in a mining ship is very little. You are basicly crying that you no longer can kill something with just one ship, you actually need some more team effort in it. Funny right, team effort in an mmo, must come as a shocker. |
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DrSmegma
Smegma United Asgard Supplies and Logistics
67
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Posted - 2012.07.27 09:49:00 -
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Manar Detri wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:dexington wrote:How is crimewatch doing to stop you from blowing up the shuttle? It's not going to stop you from blowing it up, just from making it worth your while. It's going to equalize response times in all of hisec, so system sec is absolutely irrelevant. Killing anything will mean that you'll be chased by faction navies because your sec status will instantly go -5. Anyone can shoot you for looting a wreck or can - not just members of the player corporation "owning" that wreck/can. That isn't a "reasonable consequence," that's a complete and total nerf to virtually all PvP in hisec that takes place outside of dumb ~honour fights~ and wardecs. "Cold and harsh universe" my aching ass. Trammel. Oh, and "risk/reward?" They're rebuffing incursions and nullsec is taking another nerf. The tears are strong in this one. Nothings set in stone and you cry like a baby already. That aside, it was plain stupid that you can gank a mining ship with a few catalysts, even if it was tanked to hell and back. You do know that the amoutn of tank you can fit in a mining ship is very little. You are basicly crying that you no longer can kill something with just one ship, you actually need some more team effort in it. Funny right, team effort in an mmo, must come as a shocker.
Sounds like I need 6-10 friends who just keep making new trial accounts. Great gameplay. I'm glad CCP finally found a permanent solution to the suckiness that is their sec system. I don't really want to troll you. If I trolled you anyway, I'll probably edit it out as soon as the rage fades. |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1468
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Posted - 2012.07.27 09:52:00 -
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Manar Detri wrote:The tears are strong in this one. Nothings set in stone and you cry like a baby already.
I don't care if the finer points aren't yet set in stone. Even if it isn't implemented, it's indicative of CCP trying to convince themselves that they are not "Trammelizing" the game because you "can still technically engage somebody in hisec but we want to discourage it as much as possible."
Manar Detri wrote:That aside, it was plain stupid that you can gank a mining ship with a few catalysts, even if it was tanked to hell and back.
It takes more than a few Catalysts to gank a mining ship in 0.7 space and above. In 0.8 and above, you will need alpha.
Manar Detri wrote:You do know that the amoutn of tank you can fit in a mining ship is very little.
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/16196592/Hulk%20-%20catalyst%20tanked.jpg
Manar Detri wrote:You are basicly crying that you no longer can kill something with just one ship, you actually need some more team effort in it. Funny right, team effort in an mmo, must come as a shocker.
As opposed to miners being told "bring RR" and flat-out refusing to invest any more effort into their gameplay?
EVE Online: Trammel (or NGE) |
Pipa Porto
520
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Posted - 2012.07.27 09:56:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:the curse is an amarr ship
i thought the gold plated hull and "amarr cruiser" requirement would give that away Original design is from Minmatar scientists. Even Rupture can solo two Prophecies...
Sure, if they're terribly piloted. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
123
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Posted - 2012.07.27 10:09:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:As opposed to miners being told "bring RR" and flat-out refusing to invest any more effort into their gameplay?
Cap stable Scimi + Mack... Have to think about that... |
Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
9014
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Posted - 2012.07.27 10:11:00 -
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In a nut shell. (Me, from another thread)
Miners were told to HTFU and adapt, they seemingly couldn't do that. So CCP held their hand and moved the goal posts for them.
Some have taken exception to this, as it's not in the spirit of Eve. But many of us know, that most miners will still not fit for anything but maximum yield. So gankers will once again adapt and miners will still DIAF and whine about it.
CCP Zulu..... Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
marVLs
25
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Posted - 2012.07.27 10:14:00 -
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Still ***** gankers complain about that they can't kill not moving, defenseless ships? Pathetic
BTW nice changes CCP |
Ohanka
Aggressive Narcissists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
172
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Posted - 2012.07.27 10:14:00 -
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Mag's wrote:In a nut shell. (Me, from another thread) Miners were told to HTFU and adapt, they seemingly couldn't do that. So CCP held their hand and moved the goal posts for them. Some have taken exception to this, as it's not in the spirit of Eve. But many of us know, that most miners will still not fit for anything but maximum yield. So gankers will once again adapt and miners will still DIAF and whine about it.
Again, you are wrong, as usual. |
Pipa Porto
520
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Posted - 2012.07.27 10:18:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:As opposed to miners being told "bring RR" and flat-out refusing to invest any more effort into their gameplay? Cap stable Scimi + Mack... Have to think about that...
Last time we ran into this, you decided you'd gank the Scimi with two Rail Nados at 250km o.0 EvE: Everyone vs Everyone |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1468
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Posted - 2012.07.27 10:19:00 -
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Ohanka wrote:Again, you are wrong, as usual. Don't you ever get tired of being wrong all the time?
You're in SMA, you can't be suicide ganked in nullsec where your alliance owns space, silly. EVE Online: Trammel (or NGE) |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
123
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Posted - 2012.07.27 10:20:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:Last time we ran into this, you decided you'd gank the Scimi with two Rail Nados at 250km o.0
Nagas, Nagas.
It's possible. |
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