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Red Teufel
Blackened Skies The Unthinkables
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Posted - 2012.07.29 02:21:00 -
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90 page thread....over mining ships that i'll still gank anyways. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
447
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Posted - 2012.07.29 02:50:00 -
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Who's Lucian James? I feel like I'm supposed to know... EVE's 4th of July Fireworks |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1496
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Posted - 2012.07.29 03:18:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Who's Lucian James? I feel like I'm supposed to know...
according to tarryn nightstorm he is one of our best friends ever, right up there with TJ and riverini even! EVE Online: Trammel (or NGE) |
LIssa Ho
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.07.29 04:01:00 -
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The new mining stuff sucks. So much so, that I'm going to start flying my miner alt just so I can gank him myself! Stupid miner!
I'm going to gank myself. You should try it too! Gank yourself. It's fun! |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1732
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Posted - 2012.07.29 04:24:00 -
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Ludi Burek wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: MMOs reflect the real world in many wicked ways. One of them is the kind of player playing it....
I must apologise for my words earlier. I blame my speed reading of this threadnought. This was a top notch post.
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rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
582
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Posted - 2012.07.29 04:32:00 -
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Komen wrote:I started reading this thread, and I got that it SEEMS to be that ganking miners won't be profitable because it'll take too many gankers to accomplish now.
Which leaves gankers a couple options: Gank for fun, and screw the profit, or move on to other pastures in search of profitable PvP. I wish you all the best with whichever path you choose. And remember, in Eve, you must adapt or die. Unless you're a miner, I guess.
Hm, almost good point. But what about the destroyer and T3 BC expansion? Hm, lets see. Well it looks like gankers got a buff (As in couldn't adapt, and sadly wouldn't die) so CCP gave them cake and let them eat it. Lets see again. Now miners get a pretty much the same or equivalent expansion, it its only miners that can't adapt or die or whine too much, or were given cake and now can eat it.
I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
Mukuro Gravedigger
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.07.29 04:45:00 -
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As an old school miner that used to mine with a pretty paper thin ship, once events like Hulkaggeddon were to be a daily affair, I went about to learn skills to help defend myself. Now CCP is making these changes to help those that are unwilling to help themselves - story of my life.
Perhaps CCP could heavily boost industrial ships too, since they are currently paper thin. Granted my skills will help defend it from some attacks, but alas, someone somewhere will still fly them defensive module free.
Of course, some "hard core" pvpers will rage up a storm about missing out on easy kills once that change occurs. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1732
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Posted - 2012.07.29 05:22:00 -
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Mukuro Gravedigger wrote:As an old school miner that used to mine with a pretty paper thin ship, once events like Hulkaggeddon were to be a daily affair, I went about to learn skills to help defend myself. Now CCP is making these changes to help those that are unwilling to help themselves - story of my life.
Think again about yourself: you think ahead of the crowd, you are able to gain a competitive advantage.
You should look at yourself with a more good-tempered eye and enjoy the fact you are able to be better than average.
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
447
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Posted - 2012.07.29 05:28:00 -
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LIssa Ho wrote:The new mining stuff sucks. So much so, that I'm going to start flying my miner alt just so I can gank him myself! Stupid miner!
I'm going to gank myself. You should try it too! Gank yourself. It's fun! I tried sticking a model of the Itty V up my bunghole. It was more fun, but it bled so much I had to stop. EVE's 4th of July Fireworks |
Delen Ormand
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
92
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Posted - 2012.07.29 05:30:00 -
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Red Teufel wrote:90 page thread....over mining ships that i'll still gank anyways.
..and that Richard Goon Guy said it's not about profit, so the fact that it'll now be more expensive to gank miners seems a bit of a non-issue. Which begs the question, wtf were the last 90-odd pages about??
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
258
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Posted - 2012.07.29 05:34:00 -
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Mukuro Gravedigger wrote:As an old school miner that used to mine with a pretty paper thin ship, once events like Hulkaggeddon were to be a daily affair, I went about to learn skills to help defend myself. Now CCP is making these changes to help those that are unwilling to help themselves - story of my life. Those that were unwilling to tank before will still die thinking the newly buffed (if it remains that way after revisions) natural HP of the ship should keep them safe. And your adaptations will still make you a less desirable target, only then even more so than now. |
Bronya Boga
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.07.29 05:34:00 -
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Adalynne Rohks wrote:Oh Yayah! This is the stuff that general discussion was made for! Keep the tears flowing. They're delicious!
I loled :D |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
447
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Posted - 2012.07.29 05:40:00 -
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Delen Ormand wrote:Red Teufel wrote:90 page thread....over mining ships that i'll still gank anyways. ..and that Richard Goon Guy said it's not about profit, so the fact that it'll now be more expensive to gank miners seems a bit of a non-issue. Which begs the question, wtf were the last 90-odd pages about?? It's about CCP catering to a group whose sole concern was to feel safer in a game where you should never have such a luxury, and how these changes dumb down the game for this group. EVE's 4th of July Fireworks |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
553
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Posted - 2012.07.29 05:43:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Who's Lucian James? I feel like I'm supposed to know...
He FC'ed a number of Alli-Ops I was on.
With him, even structure-bashing became almost tolerable.
Why am I dreaming of some strange woman who keeps telling me, "You fail at life because you are cloaked?" |
Bunnie Hop
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
312
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Posted - 2012.07.29 05:44:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Delen Ormand wrote:Red Teufel wrote:90 page thread....over mining ships that i'll still gank anyways. ..and that Richard Goon Guy said it's not about profit, so the fact that it'll now be more expensive to gank miners seems a bit of a non-issue. Which begs the question, wtf were the last 90-odd pages about?? It's about CCP catering to a group whose sole concern was to feel safer in a game where you should never have such a luxury, and how these changes dumb down the game for this group.
No, its more about adding balance to a ship so easily ganked that people make recycleable gank alts with low skill points to gank with and throw away when sec gets too low. Those are the people creating problems, not the miners. |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1737
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Posted - 2012.07.29 05:46:00 -
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Bunnie Hop wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Delen Ormand wrote:Red Teufel wrote:90 page thread....over mining ships that i'll still gank anyways. ..and that Richard Goon Guy said it's not about profit, so the fact that it'll now be more expensive to gank miners seems a bit of a non-issue. Which begs the question, wtf were the last 90-odd pages about?? It's about CCP catering to a group whose sole concern was to feel safer in a game where you should never have such a luxury, and how these changes dumb down the game for this group. No, its more about adding balance to a ship so easily ganked that people make recycleable gank alts with low skill points to gank with and throw away when sec gets too low. Those are the people creating problems, not the miners.
No, the people making problems are anyone that likes the Kardashians |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
447
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Posted - 2012.07.29 05:50:00 -
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Bunnie Hop wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Delen Ormand wrote:Red Teufel wrote:90 page thread....over mining ships that i'll still gank anyways. ..and that Richard Goon Guy said it's not about profit, so the fact that it'll now be more expensive to gank miners seems a bit of a non-issue. Which begs the question, wtf were the last 90-odd pages about?? It's about CCP catering to a group whose sole concern was to feel safer in a game where you should never have such a luxury, and how these changes dumb down the game for this group. No, its more about adding unnecessary HP to a ship so easily tanked to discourage ganking that people who never bother to do so never learn from their mistakes and become repeat targets. Those are the people creating problems, not the gankers. FTFY EVE's 4th of July Fireworks |
Bunnie Hop
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
312
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Posted - 2012.07.29 05:50:00 -
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Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:Bunnie Hop wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Delen Ormand wrote:Red Teufel wrote:90 page thread....over mining ships that i'll still gank anyways. ..and that Richard Goon Guy said it's not about profit, so the fact that it'll now be more expensive to gank miners seems a bit of a non-issue. Which begs the question, wtf were the last 90-odd pages about?? It's about CCP catering to a group whose sole concern was to feel safer in a game where you should never have such a luxury, and how these changes dumb down the game for this group. No, its more about adding balance to a ship so easily ganked that people make recycleable gank alts with low skill points to gank with and throw away when sec gets too low. Those are the people creating problems, not the miners. No, the people making problems are anyone that likes the Kardashians
Ohh, I must live under a rock or something, I don't know who they are I just googled the name though and I agree, anyone who likes them must be ganked! |
Bunnie Hop
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
312
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Posted - 2012.07.29 05:52:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Bunnie Hop wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Delen Ormand wrote:Red Teufel wrote:90 page thread....over mining ships that i'll still gank anyways. ..and that Richard Goon Guy said it's not about profit, so the fact that it'll now be more expensive to gank miners seems a bit of a non-issue. Which begs the question, wtf were the last 90-odd pages about?? It's about CCP catering to a group whose sole concern was to feel safer in a game where you should never have such a luxury, and how these changes dumb down the game for this group. No, its more about adding unnecessary HP to a ship so easily tanked to discourage ganking that people who never bother to do so never learn from their mistakes and become repeat targets. Those are the people creating problems, not the gankers. FTFY
People who change other peoples quotes are pretty much bottom feeders. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
447
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Posted - 2012.07.29 05:53:00 -
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Bunnie Hop wrote:
People who change other peoples quotes are pretty much bottom feeders.
You sound upset. EVE's 4th of July Fireworks |
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Bunnie Hop
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
312
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Posted - 2012.07.29 05:59:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Bunnie Hop wrote:
People who change other peoples quotes are pretty much bottom feeders.
You sound upset.
Not at all, its a lovely morning, drinking coffee and listening to Mendelssohn and the kids are still sleeping, not much could upset me. |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
553
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Posted - 2012.07.29 06:00:00 -
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Bunnie Hop wrote:
No, its more about adding balance to a ship so easily ganked that people make recycleable gank alts with low skill points to gank with and throw away when sec gets too low. Those are the people creating problems, not the miners.
Oh, look, someone who still believes this half-baked horseshit:
CCP has said on numerous occasions that recycling blinky-blinky alts to avoid the penalties for being so is an exploit. Exploiting gets one permanently banned.
And no, ganky/Arty urp-splody types aren't the cause of the "problem."
Sui-ganking is not a problem, unless you allow it to be one. The ways to make it not be one are well-known and numerous, and require minimal effort. (Having two brain-cells to rub together is also an asset)
The only "problem" here is whinging little over-entitled cry-kiddies who choose to be victims and--quelle surprise!--actually suffering appropriate penalties for same instead of getting a special little snowflake-cookie like they would in those crap childrens' MMOs.
The real problem here is that CCP is apparently caving in to them after 10 years of sticking to their vision, even though EVE has only grown during that time, and succeeded just fine, except for the ::18 months::/Incarna debacle.
Why am I dreaming of some strange woman who keeps telling me, "You fail at life because you are cloaked?" |
Bunnie Hop
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
312
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Posted - 2012.07.29 06:01:00 -
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Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:Bunnie Hop wrote:
No, its more about adding balance to a ship so easily ganked that people make recycleable gank alts with low skill points to gank with and throw away when sec gets too low. Those are the people creating problems, not the miners.
Oh, look, someone who still believes this half-baked horseshit: CCP has said on numerous occasions that recycling blinky-blinky alts to avoid the penalties for being so is an exploit. Exploiting gets one permanently banned. And no, ganky/Arty urp-splody types aren't the cause of the "problem." Sui-ganking is not a problem, unless you allow it to be one. The ways to make it not be one are well-known and numerous, and require minimal effort. (Having two brain-cells to rub together is also an asset ) The only "problem" here is whinging little over-entitled cry-kiddies who choose to be victims and-- quelle surprise!--actually suffering appropriate penalties for same instead of getting a special little snowflake-cookie like they would in those crap childrens' MMOs. The real problem here is that CCP is apparently caving in to them after 10 years of sticking to their vision, even though EVE has only grown during that time, and succeeded just fine, except for the ::18 months::/ Incarna debacle.
Now this is a person who sounds upset. Breath in, Breath out, Breath in, Breath out. Now, isn't that better. |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
553
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Posted - 2012.07.29 06:08:00 -
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Bunnie Hop wrote:Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:Bunnie Hop wrote:
No, its more about adding balance to a ship so easily ganked that people make recycleable gank alts with low skill points to gank with and throw away when sec gets too low. Those are the people creating problems, not the miners.
Oh, look, someone who still believes this half-baked horseshit: CCP has said on numerous occasions that recycling blinky-blinky alts to avoid the penalties for being so is an exploit. Exploiting gets one permanently banned. And no, ganky/Arty urp-splody types aren't the cause of the "problem." Sui-ganking is not a problem, unless you allow it to be one. The ways to make it not be one are well-known and numerous, and require minimal effort. (Having two brain-cells to rub together is also an asset ) The only "problem" here is whinging little over-entitled cry-kiddies who choose to be victims and-- quelle surprise!--actually suffering appropriate penalties for same instead of getting a special little snowflake-cookie like they would in those crap childrens' MMOs. The real problem here is that CCP is apparently caving in to them after 10 years of sticking to their vision, even though EVE has only grown during that time, and succeeded just fine, except for the ::18 months::/ Incarna debacle. Now this is a person who sounds upset. Breath in, Breath out, Breath in, Breath out. Now, isn't that better.
Everything I say is the truth, and you bloody well know it.
It's "breathe," by the way.
Next!
Why am I dreaming of some strange woman who keeps telling me, "You fail at life because you are cloaked?" |
Bunnie Hop
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
312
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Posted - 2012.07.29 06:10:00 -
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Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:Bunnie Hop wrote:Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:Bunnie Hop wrote:
No, its more about adding balance to a ship so easily ganked that people make recycleable gank alts with low skill points to gank with and throw away when sec gets too low. Those are the people creating problems, not the miners.
Oh, look, someone who still believes this half-baked horseshit: CCP has said on numerous occasions that recycling blinky-blinky alts to avoid the penalties for being so is an exploit. Exploiting gets one permanently banned. And no, ganky/Arty urp-splody types aren't the cause of the "problem." Sui-ganking is not a problem, unless you allow it to be one. The ways to make it not be one are well-known and numerous, and require minimal effort. (Having two brain-cells to rub together is also an asset ) The only "problem" here is whinging little over-entitled cry-kiddies who choose to be victims and-- quelle surprise!--actually suffering appropriate penalties for same instead of getting a special little snowflake-cookie like they would in those crap childrens' MMOs. The real problem here is that CCP is apparently caving in to them after 10 years of sticking to their vision, even though EVE has only grown during that time, and succeeded just fine, except for the ::18 months::/ Incarna debacle. Now this is a person who sounds upset. Breath in, Breath out, Breath in, Breath out. Now, isn't that better. Everything I say is the truth, and you bloody well know it. It's "breathe," by the way. Next!
It may be considered an exploit but it is used alot nonetheless. Ah breathe, thanks, english is not my first language so I do make mistakes and take no offense to be corrected. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
447
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Posted - 2012.07.29 06:12:00 -
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If you suspect someone of doing it, petition them. Otherwise, bitching about it here accomplishes nothing. EVE's 4th of July Fireworks |
Bunnie Hop
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
312
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Posted - 2012.07.29 06:15:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:If you suspect someone of doing it, petition them. Otherwise, bitching about it here accomplishes nothing.
I am not 'bitching', I don't even mine. I support the buff of mining barges though since ganking is getting out of control. The sad thing is that people don't see that they are being manipulated by the alliance who controls the minerals required to make the barges. The buff to the tanks will help make that monopoly not as profitable as it currently is. |
Pipa Porto
561
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Posted - 2012.07.29 06:19:00 -
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Bunnie Hop wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Delen Ormand wrote:Red Teufel wrote:90 page thread....over mining ships that i'll still gank anyways. ..and that Richard Goon Guy said it's not about profit, so the fact that it'll now be more expensive to gank miners seems a bit of a non-issue. Which begs the question, wtf were the last 90-odd pages about?? It's about CCP catering to a group whose sole concern was to feel safer in a game where you should never have such a luxury, and how these changes dumb down the game for this group. No, its more about adding balance to a ship so easily ganked that people make recycleable gank alts with low skill points to gank with and throw away when sec gets too low. Those are the people creating problems, not the miners.
If you have evidence that people are recycling alts, you should report them, as that is a EULA violation. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
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Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
459
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Posted - 2012.07.29 06:33:00 -
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Bunnie Hop wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:If you suspect someone of doing it, petition them. Otherwise, bitching about it here accomplishes nothing. I am not 'bitching', I don't even mine. I support the buff of mining barges though since ganking is getting out of control. The sad thing is that people don't see that they are being manipulated by the alliance who controls the minerals required to make the barges. The buff to the tanks will help make that monopoly not as profitable as it currently is.
So you are saying that I am a tool being manipulated by Goons because I gank miners?
What if I just like punishing bad players? What if I like ruining someone's evening? Some of us have been suicide ganking LONG before Goons controlled key resources.
And if Goons get richer because of my efforts, hey WIN-WIN. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1733
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Posted - 2012.07.29 06:35:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote: It's about CCP catering to a group whose sole concern was to feel safer in a game where you should never have such a luxury, and how these changes dumb down the game for this group.
Well, CCP also catered too much to removing *tangible* consequences to whatever you do.
What kind of consequence is there for being a -10 sec disposable alt parked in a safe spot, ready to take a catalyst out of an Orca? What kind of consequence is there for spam-podding whoever down to -10 when all you have to do is to walk away or - in the worst case - lose zero ISK and zero implants and respawn in the station?
What kind of SP consequence or burden involves training the 1 hit wonder throwaway ships?
What kind of retaliation can be done to a throwaway alt in NPC corp and whose clone cost is zero?
Do you really believe that suiciding a 2M worth of throwaway ship is "The Harsh Game Of Consequences"?
The consequences are so totally biased towards disposable alts it's unreal. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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