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krickettt
Golden Orb Technology inc
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Posted - 2012.07.31 22:12:00 -
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So much butt-hurt in this thread. The tears are glorious! |
Dave stark
Bombardier Inc
335
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Posted - 2012.07.31 22:15:00 -
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krickettt wrote:So much butt-hurt in this thread. The tears are glorious!
i'll wager if you go through the whole threat there are more posts saying how many tears there are rather than posts containing actual tears. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1773
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Posted - 2012.07.31 22:22:00 -
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Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
It's not my fault CCP's implementation today handles multi-corps fleets perfectly and past August 8 it will not.
CCP for the Battlecruisers V to multi racial battlecruiser Tiericide change stated "you'll be able to fly tomorrow what you can fly today".
Good, I want the same applied for mining fleets.
Non sequitur.
It's tiericide for both changes. It's existing vs new mechanics for both.
Quidam quod sequitur.
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Andoria Thara
Fallen Avatars
91
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Posted - 2012.07.31 22:23:00 -
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Dave stark wrote:krickettt wrote:So much butt-hurt in this thread. The tears are glorious! i'll wager if you go through the whole threat there are more posts saying how many tears there are rather than posts containing actual tears.
I always see more gloating on these forums than actual tears. |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Tactical Vendor of Services and Goods Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage
1691
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Posted - 2012.07.31 22:23:00 -
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I see the forums haven't changed one bit while I was away...
Anybody got a link with info on this new barge people keep talking about? I can't seem to find it. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! |
Dave stark
Bombardier Inc
335
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Posted - 2012.07.31 22:31:00 -
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Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:I see the forums haven't changed one bit while I was away...
Anybody got a link with info on this new barge people keep talking about? I can't seem to find it.
Nevermind...its just a stats change.
Bunch of whiny little pricks...go cry me a river so I may bathe in your tears.
yeah... because feedback on changes is a bad thing, right? Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
1157
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Posted - 2012.07.31 23:14:00 -
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Dave stark wrote:Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:I see the forums haven't changed one bit while I was away...
Anybody got a link with info on this new barge people keep talking about? I can't seem to find it.
Nevermind...its just a stats change.
Bunch of whiny little pricks...go cry me a river so I may bathe in your tears. yeah... because feedback on changes is a bad thing, right? Of course...
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Jypsie
Wandering Star Enterprises
20
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Posted - 2012.07.31 23:19:00 -
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Andoria Thara wrote:Dave stark wrote:krickettt wrote:So much butt-hurt in this thread. The tears are glorious! i'll wager if you go through the whole threat there are more posts saying how many tears there are rather than posts containing actual tears. I always see more gloating on these forums than actual tears.
ITT I'm seeing it something more like this on both sides of the arguement.
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Pipa Porto
593
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Posted - 2012.07.31 23:26:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:
Never did a Mack fit that I claimed to be unprofitable to gank. Never claimed that the Macks didn't need some love.
"Hulk" is not the same word as "Mackinaw."
Too bad I had Macks (3+ years old, not going to change them before they pop) and not Hulks and you posted Mack fittings so I used Mack fittings. All your posts ALWAYS implied or downright stated that it was a small giving up of performance vs getting a tank. I can't blame you for a Mack still being gankable even with 22k EHP but I CAN blame your for saying the "give up" was small. It was not some 15-20%. The other macks do 10 blocks, your mack does 6 and a bit in the same time.
Mining aligned with a Mack gives you perfect safety, and Ice roids are huge and webs work well.
Also, the loss of one Mack is some 30 hours of work. You could also mine Ice in a Hulk.
Quote:Pipa Porto wrote: Multiple corps have identical problems with NPC corps. So,
And? It's FLEETS, fleets of people in corps, in corps that are as "noble" as every other corps and suffer consequences like the other corps. It's not my fault CCP's implementation today handles multi-corps fleets perfectly and past August 8 it will not. CCP for the Battlecruisers V to multi racial battlecruiser Tiericide change stated "you'll be able to fly tomorrow what you can fly today". Good, I want the same applied for mining fleets.
You can fly tomorrow what you can fly today. The Skill reqs are being reduced.
CCP's implementation of multi-corp fleets isn't changing. You still have to use jetcans to transfer things, no difference from now. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |
Pipa Porto
593
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Posted - 2012.07.31 23:27:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote:Dave stark wrote:Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:I see the forums haven't changed one bit while I was away...
Anybody got a link with info on this new barge people keep talking about? I can't seem to find it.
Nevermind...its just a stats change.
Bunch of whiny little pricks...go cry me a river so I may bathe in your tears. yeah... because feedback on changes is a bad thing, right? Of course...
"Just a stats change" EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1773
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Posted - 2012.07.31 23:33:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote: You could also mine Ice in a Hulk.
Not going to switch to it since I already have Macks. Also, after the patch, if Hulks stay as is I am going to keep Macks even dearer.
Pipa Porto wrote: CCP's implementation of multi-corp fleets isn't changing. You still have to use jetcans to transfer things, no difference from now.
"Have to use?"
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Pipa Porto
596
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Posted - 2012.07.31 23:47:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Pipa Porto wrote: You could also mine Ice in a Hulk.
Not going to switch to it since I already have Macks. Also, after the patch, if Hulks stay as is I am going to keep Macks even dearer.
Good for you. The fact that you're unwilling to adapt to changing risk profiles isn't a balance issue.
Quote:Pipa Porto wrote: CCP's implementation of multi-corp fleets isn't changing. You still have to use jetcans to transfer things, no difference from now.
"Have to use?" Never had to use a jet can. It's a gimnick CCP did not even invent anyway.
"Have to use?" Yes. To trade items between unaffiliated pilots. You want to use the full capabilities of an Orca's hangars, get in the same corp. "Corp Hangar"
CCP didn't invent the Jetcan? Is it some strange code injection someone's piggybacked on the installer?
Jetcan Mining wasn't intended. Using Jetcans to trade items absolutely was.
Or, you're free to dock up after the hour or two it takes to burn out 3 sets of crystals (cba to look up how long). EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1773
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Posted - 2012.07.31 23:59:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote: Good for you. The fact that you're unwilling to adapt to changing risk profiles isn't a balance issue.
Balls. Flying high yeld Macks for years during each Hulkageddon is the most risk profile that exists.
Hulks don't even come close to that. Come next patch I am just unwilling to play your game. You and the goons are annoyed because ships got somewhat buffed so you are doing the impossible to at least make playing them a dumb chore. I am not going to become a crystal swapper drone and have all sorts of downsides because you love to "punish" people for not being a flying free target any more.
Pipa Porto wrote: "Have to use?" Yes. To trade items between unaffiliated pilots. You want to use the full capabilities of an Orca's hangars, get in the same corp. "Corp Hangar"
Had plenty of fleets with NPC corp guys and other corp other friends and never had to use any of your suggested gimnicks including jet cans.
Maybe you should study how Orca fleets work before talking about them.
It's also why I don't see forcing jet canning down the throat as a good thing. Jet cans are one of the preferred features gankers love to see around. I understand your love for it, but don't pretend I should do the same.
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Pipa Porto
597
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Posted - 2012.08.01 00:17:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Pipa Porto wrote: Good for you. The fact that you're unwilling to adapt to changing risk profiles isn't a balance issue.
Balls. Flying high yeld Macks for years during each Hulkageddon is the most risk profile that exists. Hulks don't even come close to that. Come next patch I am just unwilling to play your game. You and the goons are annoyed because ships got somewhat buffed so you are doing the impossible to at least make playing them a dumb chore. I am not going to become a crystal swapper drone and have all sorts of downsides because you love to "punish" people for not being a flying free target any more.
Wait, that I dare to say that the Skiff should actually be worth flying is evidence that I'm bothered by the idea of buffing mining ships? The Hell?
Right now, the SISI stats make the Skiff worthless and give you a choice between AFK/Solo in a Mack or ATK+Fleeted in a Hulk for extra yield.
I want to see all 3 be viable ships to mine in. You know why I want to see that? Because CCP said that that is their goal with the rebalance. The Hulk has to be slightly uncomfortable to use to make up for the large yield boost it gives. The Mack has to be lower yield to give the Hulk a reason to exist and has to have a mediocre tank to allow the skiff a reason to exist. The Skiff has to be slightly uncomfortable to use solo, or the Mack has no reason to exist.
If you're bothered by Crystal swapping, use one of the Exhumers designed to be convenient and easy to use. Or anchor a GSC. Or put your mining fleet in the same corp. Or use Jetcans. Or fly to the station for all I care.
Skiff = Mac OS. Safe. Mack = Windows. Not so safe, but it's pretty easy to use. Hulk = Linux. You gotta work for it.
Quote: Had plenty of fleets with NPC corp guys and other corp other friends and never had to use any of your suggested gimnicks including jet cans.
Maybe you should study how Orca fleets work before talking about them.
It's also why I don't see forcing jet canning down the throat as a good thing. Jet cans are one of the preferred features gankers love to see around. I understand your love for it, but don't pretend I should do the same.
The jetcan exists for the 5s it takes for the miner to change out his load of 2 sets of spare crystals. Then it goes poof. I am not suggesting you jetcan the ore except during the hauler's haul run.
I still don't see why it's an overwhelming burden is in having someone drop crystals off for you. Let's see how often you'd need to do it...
20% chance per cycle to do 2.5% damage to the crystal. On average, 5 cycles per damage, and it can survive 40 hits of damage. On average, a crystal will last 200 Cycles, which with max Rorq boosts is 104s/cycle.
20800 seconds is 5.77 hours. So, you need fresh crystals every 5 hours. Oh, the burden. As for switching, if you're in a fleet, size up your belt when you warp in and have different Hulks be responsible for different groups of 3 ores. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |
Oliver Stoned
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2012.08.01 00:21:00 -
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What did the griefers/gankers say to the industiralists/miners?
HTFU!
It's about stinking time for a change.
HTFU gankers!
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Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
1157
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Posted - 2012.08.01 00:22:00 -
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Oliver Stoned wrote:What did the griefers/gankers say to the industiralists/miners?
HTFU!
It's about stinking time for a change.
HTFU gankers!
You're a lil late. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1774
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Posted - 2012.08.01 01:06:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote: If you're bothered by Crystal swapping, use one of the Exhumers designed to be convenient and easy to use. Or anchor a GSC. Or put your mining fleet in the same corp. Or use Jetcans. Or fly to the station for all I care.
"If you are bothered by my dog peeing on your carpet, you can wash the carpet, remove the carpet, move your door to the other side of the house".
I can invent 50 kinds of workarounds myself, does not mean the very feature has a reason to exist, it's just a trash menial task.
Pipa Porto wrote: The jetcan exists for the 5s it takes for the miner to change out his load of 2 sets of spare crystals. Then it goes poof. I am not suggesting you jetcan the ore except during the hauler's haul run.
I still don't see why it's an overwhelming burden is in having someone drop crystals off for you. Let's see how often you'd need to do it...
Pockets and anoms exist, let me tell you how fun is it to fly an indy thru 80km and multiple gates.
Today: Nice and dandy. Tomorrow: "We have to dump all our Hulks (that will be worth as much as an awful ship can be) and replace with Macks".
Large grav sites exist, even in high sec: let me tell you how many minerals are in there and how effective is to put ships on 1 mineral.
Today: Nice and dandy. Tomorrow: "Bztttt Bztttt Bztttt" (noise of bot at work, bots don't care about menial tasks). Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Suddenly Forums ForumKings
Republic University Minmatar Republic
101
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Posted - 2012.08.01 01:09:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: Pockets and anoms exist, let me tell you how fun is it to fly an indy thru 80km and multiple gates.
Today: Nice and dandy. Tomorrow: "We have to dump all our Hulks (that will be worth as much as an awful ship can be) and replace with Macks".
In other words you're mad you have to buy new ships. |
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
595
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Posted - 2012.08.01 01:18:00 -
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Its more then just buying it. Gotta change everything you do as well. Its one thing for me to go out and buy a new tv. Then another thing to actually use it all the time.
Thats some good advice, the next time you buy a gift for someone. Its more then just buying something. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
Pipa Porto
599
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Posted - 2012.08.01 02:30:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Pipa Porto wrote: If you're bothered by Crystal swapping, use one of the Exhumers designed to be convenient and easy to use. Or anchor a GSC. Or put your mining fleet in the same corp. Or use Jetcans. Or fly to the station for all I care.
"If you are bothered by my dog peeing on your carpet, you can wash the carpet, remove the carpet, move your door to the other side of the house". I can invent 50 kinds of workarounds myself, does not mean the very feature has a reason to exist, it's just a trash menial task.
Yeah, Changing Ammo's so terrible. How ever shall we manage. If the increase in Yield from using a Hulk is not worth your effort of changing out crystals every few hours or whatever, then the Mackinaw is better for you.
Quote:Pipa Porto wrote: The jetcan exists for the 5s it takes for the miner to change out his load of 2 sets of spare crystals. Then it goes poof. I am not suggesting you jetcan the ore except during the hauler's haul run.
I still don't see why it's an overwhelming burden is in having someone drop crystals off for you. Let's see how often you'd need to do it...
Pockets and anoms exist, let me tell you how fun is it to fly an indy thru 80km and multiple gates. Today: Nice and dandy. Tomorrow: "We have to dump all our Hulks (that will be worth as much as an awful ship can be) and replace with Macks". Large grav sites exist, even in high sec: let me tell you how many minerals are in there and how effective is to put ships on 1 mineral. Today: Nice and dandy. Tomorrow: "Bztttt Bztttt Bztttt" (noise of bot at work, bots don't care about menial tasks).
Yes, they do, and your Indy is already going to be flying through those gates to pick up Ore. So what's the new problem? If you were going to despawn the mission, then have your hauler bring crystals out in an MWD Magnate or something.
There are 7 HS ores. Each Hulk can Carry 3 Ores of Crystals. You can skip Omber because it's terrible. Split your Hulks in Half and have them each work on 3 of the 6 worthwhile Ores. Vary the proportions as the Ore proportions require.
Again, if the slight effort of having your hauler (who's going to be there anyway) drop a can full of crystals isn't worth a 15-25% yield increase, you're free to use the Mackinaw or the Skiff (can hold ores worth of Crystals) EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |
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Danny Diamonds
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
26
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Posted - 2012.08.01 02:39:00 -
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You have no chance Vaera.
Pipa will keep posting and trying to "win" an internet thread about opinions. Logic and fun were thrown out long ago. |
Phill Esteen
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
104
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Posted - 2012.08.01 02:49:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:20% chance per cycle to do 2.5% damage to the crystal. On average, 5 cycles per damage, and it can survive 40 hits of damage. On average, a crystal will last 200 Cycles, which with max Rorq boosts is 104s/cycle.
20800 seconds is 5.77 hours. So, you need fresh crystals every 5 hours. Oh, the burden. As for switching, if you're in a fleet, size up your belt when you warp in and have different Hulks be responsible for different groups of 3 ores.
I wish I could go 5.77(*3) hours without restocking ammo. GÇô postum faex est GÇô-á
never forget
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Pipa Porto
599
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Posted - 2012.08.01 03:04:00 -
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Phill Esteen wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:20% chance per cycle to do 2.5% damage to the crystal. On average, 5 cycles per damage, and it can survive 40 hits of damage. On average, a crystal will last 200 Cycles, which with max Rorq boosts is 104s/cycle.
20800 seconds is 5.77 hours. So, you need fresh crystals every 5 hours. Oh, the burden. As for switching, if you're in a fleet, size up your belt when you warp in and have different Hulks be responsible for different groups of 3 ores. I wish I could go 5.77(*3) hours without restocking ammo.
And if they don't use the equivalent of Faction ammo (better but with no downside but cost), they get to go 11.55(*4) hours without restocking.
It's just horrible having to restock your ship with consumable goods every day. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium
1675
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Posted - 2012.08.01 03:29:00 -
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CCP is already investigation the potential "fleet hangar" to replace the Orca's "corp hangar". Why is this even part of the discussion? How many belts actually require more than a whole day of mining? Are you trying to mine an entire nullsec or class 6 grav site with 1 hulk?
Where are you mining in hisec that can flipping is a concern while you are out of a station for tens of hours?
Seriously, VV, some of your arguments seem manufactured entirely for the purpose of having something to complain about. The cargo hold of a Hulk is sufficient for replacement crystals. Focus on just the most profitable, move to the next belt when the rocks are gone or the Orca is full. If you do not have spare crystals in the cargo bay, use this time to fetch one new set. Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
Suddenly Forums ForumKings
Republic University Minmatar Republic
102
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Posted - 2012.08.01 04:14:00 -
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This thread is going places. |
Dave stark
Bombardier Inc
337
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Posted - 2012.08.01 06:28:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:The cargo hold of a Hulk is sufficient for replacement crystals.
no it isn't. that's the issue. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
804
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Posted - 2012.08.01 06:36:00 -
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Dave stark wrote:Mara Rinn wrote:The cargo hold of a Hulk is sufficient for replacement crystals. no it isn't. that's the issue. Fit a cargo expander? (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |
Dave stark
Bombardier Inc
337
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Posted - 2012.08.01 06:39:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:Dave stark wrote:Mara Rinn wrote:The cargo hold of a Hulk is sufficient for replacement crystals. no it isn't. that's the issue. Fit a cargo expander?
jesus christ i'm laughing too hard to even consider giving this a serious response. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
595
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Posted - 2012.08.01 06:44:00 -
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fit two cargo expander? :) I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
Dave stark
Bombardier Inc
337
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Posted - 2012.08.01 06:48:00 -
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i'll humour you... instead of fitting expanders and losing my mlus, i'll just fit a ship that doesn't have to deal with the crystal bullshit and mine more ore.
cargo expanders aren't the answer to bad game design; swapping to the mackinaw is.
which then means you've simply crowned a new "go to" mining ship and the rebalance has totally failed because every one just switches to macks and the problem we currently have will still exist except the fotm ship will be the mack not the hulk.
then if you weren't just posting for the sake of it or had any idea about the issue being discussed; you'd already know that. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |
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