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ma perke
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.26 09:17:00 -
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this new module is total **** - you can't kill it with neuts so there is ridiculous tank for a minute till all his friends come by, hence solo/small gank warfare is killed once again. good job ccp, as always
****** ferox with x-large ASB gets 1174dps tank for a minute?! |
Stefan Ukris Amaris
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.26 09:39:00 -
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Armor tankers had the upper hand in PvP long enough. Time for the shield tankers to strike back ! |
Dynast
Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
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Posted - 2012.07.26 09:51:00 -
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ma perke wrote:this new module is total **** - you can't kill it with neuts so there is ridiculous tank for a minute till all his friends come by, hence solo/small gank warfare is killed once again. good job ccp, as always
****** ferox with x-large ASB gets 1174dps tank for a minute?! Funny, I've found ASBs to be pretty neat for soloing. They give you a window during which you can punch above your weight class, and/or deagress and get away from a blob. |
ma perke
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.26 09:57:00 -
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Dynast wrote:ma perke wrote:this new module is total **** - you can't kill it with neuts so there is ridiculous tank for a minute till all his friends come by, hence solo/small gank warfare is killed once again. good job ccp, as always
****** ferox with x-large ASB gets 1174dps tank for a minute?! Funny, I've found ASBs to be pretty neat for soloing. They give you a window during which you can punch above your weight class, and/or deagress and get away from a blob.
that is because for now it is only you using it, as soon as everybody starts using it you want be able to kill anything solo |
Alice Saki
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Posted - 2012.07.26 10:15:00 -
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Its a new fun tactic, We were flying around in Vexors and Ruppys with them ^_^ ended up killing a cynabal XD Scottish Interweb Spaceshippy Person, GINGER PRIDE xD Oh and PICKLES! |
eddie valvetino
Snuff Box
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Posted - 2012.07.26 10:20:00 -
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ma perke wrote:this new module is total **** - you can't kill it with neuts so there is ridiculous tank for a minute till all his friends come by, hence solo/small gank warfare is killed once again. good job ccp, as always
****** ferox with x-large ASB gets 1174dps tank for a minute?!
u mad?
I'm thinking you didn't bother to train those engineering skills
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Schalac
Apocalypse Reign
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Posted - 2012.07.26 10:27:00 -
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Whaa. |
Dynast
Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
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Posted - 2012.07.26 11:18:00 -
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ma perke wrote:that is because for now it is only you using it, as soon as everybody starts using it you want be able to kill anything solo Everybody is already using it.
Really, I don't see the fuss. If anything needs fixed it's the terrible ECM perma-stunning in this game. |
Moonlit Raid
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.07.26 11:32:00 -
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If you don't like them, it usually means they're good. So just use them. |
Lady Spank
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2012.07.26 11:46:00 -
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They are indeed very effective. Sadly this means limited options for the time being if you want to be effective, particularly for soloers.
It's not the end of the world quite yet but it won't take long for these to be utterly commonplace. I thoroughly expect a rebalancing at some point, particularly for dual ASB type setups. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â) |
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ma perke
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.26 11:49:00 -
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short sighted carebares...
if a 250M cynabal can not kill vexor&rupture why should he fly it?! This ASB concept is wrong, because ratio between dps/tank is in favor of tank! Lets get dinosaurs now??
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Lady Spank
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
2418
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Posted - 2012.07.26 11:52:00 -
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Furthermore, an XL-ASB Ferox isn't exactly going to have high damage, or be able to hold most ships down easily if it's relying on backup. It's no worse than baiting with a brick Drake except the tank won't hold.
It's possible you simply got outplayed by thinking 'lol Ferox'. Live and learn. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â) |
Oblong Chunk
Electric Mist Inc.
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Posted - 2012.07.26 11:53:00 -
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ma perke wrote:short sighted carebares...
if a 250M cynabal can not kill vexor&rupture why should he fly it?! This ASB concept is wrong, because ratio between dps/tank is in favor of tank! Lets get dinosaurs now??
The cynabal should be able to kite them for the 1 minute it takes to use all the boosters, and then for the 10 seconds it takes to kill the thingy
Edit: If you can't kite a ruppy in a cynabal, please die |
Sheynan
Lighting the blight
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Posted - 2012.07.26 12:09:00 -
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The only fix they need is to forbid reloading one booster while another is boosting. So if you decide to reload one of your boosters, all of them go into the 60secs reload time even if they are fully loaded.
That would make the conventional boosters a bit more useful, and fix the forever boosting loophole without screwing with ASBs too much. Because otherwise, they're fine and pretty much awesome. (Especially x-large ASBs who are our new creative shield version of 1600mm plates )
P.S: awesome Cynabal pilot |
Zarnak Wulf
Imperial Outlaws
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Posted - 2012.07.26 12:51:00 -
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High: Ion Blaster II x6 Assault Launcher II Mid: Named MWD X-L A. Shield Booster Adaptive Invuln II Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor Low: MFS II x 2 TE II Internal Force Field Array Rigs: Ancillary Current Router EM shield Thermal Shield
Warrior II x 5
You need the Genolution implants to fit it. With damage implants I get 720 DPS with Void and 535ish DPS with Null. It tanks close to 1300 DPS for 47 seconds. 40k EHP. |
Sheynan
Lighting the blight
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Posted - 2012.07.26 13:26:00 -
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Zarnak Wulf wrote: It tanks close to 1300 DPS for 47 seconds. 40k EHP.
Which equals about 100k ehp in a "best-case" where the incoming damage does not exceed 1300dps and the pilot doesn't overboost. That's not that terrible overpowered actually.
P.S: The fit does about 500dps before heat in a more generic situation without damage implants and with faction antimatter and warrior drones |
Zarnak Wulf
Imperial Outlaws
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Posted - 2012.07.26 15:24:00 -
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Sheynan wrote:Zarnak Wulf wrote: It tanks close to 1300 DPS for 47 seconds. 40k EHP. Which equals about 100k ehp in a "best-case" where the incoming damage does not exceed 1300dps and the pilot doesn't overboost. That's not that terrible overpowered actually. P.S: The fit does about 500dps before heat in a more generic situation without damage implants and with faction antimatter and warrior drones
Medium hybrid 5% damage implant sells for under 10 million isk. |
Tamiya Sarossa
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.07.26 16:33:00 -
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Haven't had extensive experience so far, but I rather enjoy soloing with ASB's - ASB versus ASB fights are a fun little chess match, and as mentioned, if they don't make it through their reload cycle (which is likely) an ASB usually only provides as much additional EHP as the buffer fits that were standard before. Being able to active tank again is fun! |
Elvis Fett
The 12th Legion Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2012.07.26 16:48:00 -
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For me the problem with the ASB is it makes normal shield boosters totally irrelevant. Currently the ASB reps about 60% more shield than a normal T2 shield booster. That is something I just don't understand, it seems backwards. If the ASB and normal shield booster both gave the same amount of shield, the ASB would still be superior. With a normal shield booster you usually need a cap battery in one of your mid slots to run it, with the ASB that cap battery is not necessary giving you an extra mid slot for more tank. The ASB is also neut proof, which is a pretty big deal in both pvp and pve. Actually I have heard a couple people claim to be running lvl 5 missions in active shield tanked ships with ASBs. I am too scared to lose a BS PvE'ing to try for myself, but it seems plasuible
Instead of nerfing the ASB into the ground, i rather see normal shield boosters get a big buff. Or possibly just switch the two's shield repping amount so the normal SB reps 60% more shield as the ASB. Either way large fleets are still going to buffer tank because they have logi. Increasing the effectiveness of active tanking just gives smaller gangs a better chance of engaging a larger gang and coming out on top. Overall I like the idea of the ASB, I just don't like seeing it being the only effective way of active tanking for PvP. |
Eternal Error
Exitus Acta Probant
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Posted - 2012.07.26 17:15:00 -
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We didn't need another thread for this. Yes it's OP, and it will probably be nerfed. |
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Zicon Shak'ra
Vacuo Anomalia
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Posted - 2012.07.26 17:38:00 -
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ma perke wrote:short sighted carebares...
if a 250M cynabal can not kill vexor&rupture why should he fly it?! This ASB concept is wrong, because ratio between dps/tank is in favor of tank! Lets get dinosaurs now??
"IF I SPEND MOAR ISK I SHOULD WIN, RITE GAIZ?"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-yaQg4ZDdo
Rifters kill Revelations. Catalysts kill Hulks. Stabbers kill Dramiels. Drakes kill Vindicators.
**** happens. Your ISK is meaningless. You can't buy your way to the top. Go home. |
Princess Nexxala
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.07.26 18:04:00 -
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They are a bit OP for the large ones but the mediums and smalls seem ok, if not underpowered. Is sexy time? |
RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
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Posted - 2012.07.26 18:12:00 -
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Shield PvP has been in the bottom of the barrel for several years. It's nice to see it have a life of it's own for a season or two.
I have flown a few ASB fits and they do exactly as advertised. Great tank for...limited time. Certainly not OP. |
Xuixien
Rifterlings Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2012.07.26 21:29:00 -
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If I wanted to deal with "bubble-heal" I'd go play WoW. Rabble Rabble!! |
Pinky Feldman
Gank Bangers Moar Tears
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Posted - 2012.07.26 21:53:00 -
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Elvis Fett wrote:For me the problem with the ASB is it makes normal shield boosters totally irrelevant. Currently the ASB reps about 60% more shield than a normal T2 shield booster. That is something I just don't understand, it seems backwards. If the ASB and normal shield booster both gave the same amount of shield, the ASB would still be superior. With a normal shield booster you usually need a cap battery in one of your mid slots to run it, with the ASB that cap battery is not necessary giving you an extra mid slot for more tank. The ASB is also neut proof, which is a pretty big deal in both pvp and pve. Actually I have heard a couple people claim to be running lvl 5 missions in active shield tanked ships with ASBs. I am too scared to lose a BS PvE'ing to try for myself, but it seems plasuible
Instead of nerfing the ASB into the ground, i rather see normal shield boosters get a big buff. Or possibly just switch the two's shield repping amount so the normal SB reps 60% more shield as the ASB. Either way large fleets are still going to buffer tank because they have logi. Increasing the effectiveness of active tanking just gives smaller gangs a better chance of engaging a larger gang and coming out on top. Overall I like the idea of the ASB, I just don't like seeing it being the only effective way of active tanking for PvP. Normal shield boosters were totally irrelevant beforehand unless you wanted to use boosters, links, and a faction/deadspace booster. And even with all that, theres a good chance you'd still probably die in a fire to a single neuting ship before you could kill it. The issue isn't that ASBs are overpowered, the issue is that active shield tanking beforehand was hilariously underpowered and now active shield tanking finally has some relevance.
The moar you cry the less you pee |
Xuixien
Rifterlings Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2012.07.26 22:42:00 -
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Pinky Feldman wrote:Elvis Fett wrote:For me the problem with the ASB is it makes normal shield boosters totally irrelevant. Currently the ASB reps about 60% more shield than a normal T2 shield booster. That is something I just don't understand, it seems backwards. If the ASB and normal shield booster both gave the same amount of shield, the ASB would still be superior. With a normal shield booster you usually need a cap battery in one of your mid slots to run it, with the ASB that cap battery is not necessary giving you an extra mid slot for more tank. The ASB is also neut proof, which is a pretty big deal in both pvp and pve. Actually I have heard a couple people claim to be running lvl 5 missions in active shield tanked ships with ASBs. I am too scared to lose a BS PvE'ing to try for myself, but it seems plasuible
Instead of nerfing the ASB into the ground, i rather see normal shield boosters get a big buff. Or possibly just switch the two's shield repping amount so the normal SB reps 60% more shield as the ASB. Either way large fleets are still going to buffer tank because they have logi. Increasing the effectiveness of active tanking just gives smaller gangs a better chance of engaging a larger gang and coming out on top. Overall I like the idea of the ASB, I just don't like seeing it being the only effective way of active tanking for PvP. Normal shield boosters were totally irrelevant beforehand unless you wanted to use boosters, links, and a faction/deadspace booster. And even with all that, theres a good chance you'd still probably die in a fire to a single neuting ship before you could kill it. The issue isn't that ASBs are overpowered, the issue is that active shield tanking beforehand was hilariously underpowered and now active shield tanking finally has some relevance.
Because armor reps don't need cap. Rabble Rabble!! |
Moonlit Raid
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.07.26 22:45:00 -
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Sheynan wrote:The only fix they need is to forbid reloading one booster while another is boosting. So if you decide to reload one of your boosters, all of them go into the 60secs reload time even if they are fully loaded. You are in favour of a similar change to cap boosters also? You know so they can't run both reppers at once. |
Rigel Vex
Providence Directorate
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Posted - 2012.07.26 22:58:00 -
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ASB's are perfect. They take skill to use and give you a great tank for a limited time. It truly awesome seeing shield ships out on the solo front again. Stop complaining and enjoy it. If you can't kill some1 thats ASB fit then you're flying wrong :P |
Xuixien
Rifterlings Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2012.07.26 23:25:00 -
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Rigel Vex wrote:ASB's are perfect. They take skill to use and give you a great tank for a limited time. It truly awesome seeing shield ships out on the solo front again. Stop complaining and enjoy it. If you can't kill some1 thats ASB fit then you're flying wrong :P
1) How is there "skill" in pressing ALT-F1? (or F1, depending on where you place the module in your HUD) 2) You know what else gives you a great tank for a limited time? Paladin bubble. 3) I solo in shield ships just fine, as do others I know. 4) If it's so easy to kill someone that's ASB fit then why are so many people fitting them? And why you defending them? *chinrub* Rabble Rabble!! |
Milton Middleson
Rifterlings Ushra'Khan
70
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Posted - 2012.07.26 23:40:00 -
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Quote:How is there "skill" in pressing ALT-F1? (or F1, depending on where you place the module in your HUD) Timing your boosts to extract the maximum effectiveness from your ASB is non-trivial. If you just run it until it's dry, you're going to waste a lot of 'virtual' ehp. |
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