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Desserisk Navarre
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Posted - 2010.08.26 00:04:00 -
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As we all know Caldari are blessed with a Battleship class EW ship. When will the other races get theirs? Is this even a concern for the rest of the EW pilots out there?
Personally I would love the opportunity to fly and Amarr BS with a bonus to Neutralizers and tracking disruptors or a Gallente BS that gives a Dampening bonus.
Why should Caldari pilots be the only ones with the option to fly an EW ship able to fit a BS size tank? Anyone with any information on this subject please feel free to enlighten me. I honestly just do not understand why the other races lack this option.
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Alec Freeman
Minmatar Adventurers Matari Visionary Coalition
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Posted - 2010.08.26 00:28:00 -
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+1 I want my target painting tempest please
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SeriousScruff
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Posted - 2010.08.26 00:31:00 -
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If you give the caldari and drone boat.
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Hugo Smith
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Posted - 2010.08.26 00:36:00 -
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Originally by: SeriousScruff If you give the caldari and drone boat.
Rattlesnake anyone? Best droneboat in game sub carrier is half caldari.
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Alara IonStorm
Agent-Orange
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Posted - 2010.08.26 00:55:00 -
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I think the Scorpion could use some work, 125m2 Drone Bay, at least one Caldari Sub Capital should get a full flight of Wasps, and another turret and missile hard point to be fit for combat(hate the 4-4 splite).
Also it does not have a Battleship sized tank with EWAR, compare it to say if the Domi was a Sensor Damp boat. It would have a much supearor tank, like any other racial EWAR Battleship. There is know serious way to fit an EWAR battleship for the other Race.
Ammar It would remove needed bonuses and there is a lack of slots. Minmatar, great for the Phoon but it would lose ethier it's missile or gun bonus, bye bye versitility. Gallente, I could possibly see the Dominix losing it's Dmg Bonus for this(People would be ****ed)
I guess they had an opertunity to throw EWAR on all Black OP's when they came out but that did not happen.
My 2 ISK
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SFX Bladerunner
Minmatar Black Serpent Technologies R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.08.26 01:42:00 -
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Edited by: SFX Bladerunner on 26/08/2010 01:42:41
Originally by: Alara IonStorm I think the Scorpion could use some work, 125m2 Drone Bay, at least one Caldari Sub Capital should get a full flight of Wasps, and another turret and missile hard point to be fit for combat(hate the 4-4 splite).
Also it does not have a Battleship sized tank with EWAR, compare it to say if the Domi was a Sensor Damp boat. It would have a much supearor tank, like any other racial EWAR Battleship. There is know serious way to fit an EWAR battleship for the other Race.
Ammar It would remove needed bonuses and there is a lack of slots. Minmatar, great for the Phoon but it would lose ethier it's missile or gun bonus, bye bye versitility. Gallente, I could possibly see the Dominix losing it's Dmg Bonus for this(People would be ****ed)
I guess they had an opertunity to throw EWAR on all Black OP's when they came out but that did not happen.
My 2 ISK
> T2 EWAR bs's based on T1 Tier3 bs hulls.
Lotsa tank, lotsa ewar, not so much'a offensive capabilities nor speed. Sounds interresting anyone?
How about a T2 maelstrom with bonussed webs+TP? A T2 rokh with bonus to ECM and ECM drones (and a nice dronebay)? A T2 abaddon with bonussed neuts and tracking disruptors? A T2 hyperion with bounssed sensor dampeners and long range points?
Basically something that can put up a hefty armor tank, a hefty midrack full of VERY HIGHLY bonussed EWAR but little offensive capabilities and little maneuvring.. turning it into a very niche ship that if you use it can greatly benefit a well fit-out gang but once commited it either dies horribly or prevails heroically.
I think eve is mature enough for such a shipclass. __________________________________________________
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Alara IonStorm
Agent-Orange
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Posted - 2010.08.26 01:56:00 -
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Originally by: SFX Bladerunner
> T2 EWAR bs's based on T1 Tier3 bs hulls.
Lotsa tank, lotsa ewar, not so much'a offensive capabilities nor speed. Sounds interresting anyone?
How about a T2 maelstrom with bonussed webs+TP? A T2 rokh with bonus to ECM and ECM drones (and a nice dronebay)? A T2 abaddon with bonussed neuts and tracking disruptors? A T2 hyperion with bounssed sensor dampeners and long range points?
Basically something that can put up a hefty armor tank, a hefty midrack full of VERY HIGHLY bonussed EWAR but little offensive capabilities and little maneuvring.. turning it into a very niche ship that if you use it can greatly benefit a well fit-out gang but once commited it either dies horribly or prevails heroically.
I think eve is mature enough for such a shipclass.
Teir 3 Battleship Hulls for EWAR would be a bit tricky. If you look at tech 2 non Caldari EWAR boats they are often not even used for there EWAR, while the Tech 1's are used even rarer.
Most Recon's are used for there enhanced tackling, nuets or drones. to justify it on a Battleship scale would be difficult at most with out drastic changes to the way we look at the other races EWAR. If anything I am a proponent of Helicity Boson's Flagship suggestion for the Teir 3 Battleships, love that Khanid Abbadon.
As for EWAR ethier boost the other races or nerf Caldari or we will see little uniformity when creating an EWAR battleships, and what ever secondary abilities CCP gives them to make up for there weaker EWAR will become the main purpose to purchase such a ship.
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FT Diomedes
Gallente The Fimbriani Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2010.08.26 04:35:00 -
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The Bhaalgorn is a wondrous ship that fits into the category you are looking for - bonused webs and neuts is a lethal combination.
The ships that do have useful E-war bonuses already are the Marauders (webs or painters).
Nothing stops you from fitting tracking disruptors or dampeners on an existing ship. --- This doesn't even seem to be a regular case of rats fleeing the sinking ship. Seems more like the rats are on fire, the ship is on fire, and the sea is full of drunk Russians. - Jacob Etienne |
SFX Bladerunner
Minmatar Black Serpent Technologies R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.08.26 04:50:00 -
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Originally by: FT Diomedes The Bhaalgorn is a wondrous ship that fits into the category you are looking for - bonused webs and neuts is a lethal combination.
The ships that do have useful E-war bonuses already are the Marauders (webs or painters).
Nothing stops you from fitting tracking disruptors or dampeners on an existing ship.
Yes I know that but with SPECIALIZED ewar ships I really really meant specialized.
Specialized as in twice as good as a bhaalgorn (or twice as far, or a combination thereof) but 4x slower and as good as no DPS output. __________________________________________________
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Alara IonStorm
Agent-Orange
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Posted - 2010.08.26 05:00:00 -
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Originally by: SFX Bladerunner
Yes I know that but with SPECIALIZED ewar ships I really really meant specialized.
Specialized as in twice as good as a bhaalgorn (or twice as far, or a combination thereof) but 4x slower and as good as no DPS output.
One question, how would you get over the ECM hump. Caldari not only has 2 ECM battleships but people are constantly calling for there front runner the Falcon to be nerfed.
You stated earlier the Rokh would be an EWAR boat, but there is no more roles for Caldari EWAR to fill, as seven seperate ships use it as there main defensive and offence purpose. Do you have another role or niche it can fill?
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Seriously Bored
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.08.26 05:24:00 -
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Originally by: Alec Freeman +1 I want my target painting tempest please
I wouldn't mind if the Phoon actually got a second bonus. +7.5% target painter effectiveness per level? I could see the uses.
(Time to exit before the masses gather their torches and pitchforks over the suggestion of a Minmatar buff, however.)
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Ran Khanon
Amarr Swords Horses and Heavy Metal
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Posted - 2010.08.26 06:31:00 -
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Edited by: Ran Khanon on 26/08/2010 06:32:10
I think CCP consciously decided for a conservative approach to e-war bonuses on ships; they don't want many more popular and/or fat-tank e-war ships as it would severely impact pvp on all levels but especially solo to small gang warfare. A lot of people will grow frustrated by being TD'd and jammed all the ****ing time. I agree with that approach.
To make a terrible and exaggerated analogy; it would be like giving all classes in a fantasy mmorpg the ability to stunlock someone completely.
I know that Caldari has the edge in e-war as it is now but let them have that advantage, there are many aspects in which Caldari ships are less popular in pvp. I agree with everything Barakkus posts. |
Kyle Sucks
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2010.08.26 06:47:00 -
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The scorpion doesn't fit a battleship-sized tank; it just dies.
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Phaenas Lionuex
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Posted - 2010.08.26 07:22:00 -
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Originally by: SFX Bladerunner Edited by: SFX Bladerunner on 26/08/2010 01:42:41
Originally by: Alara IonStorm I think the Scorpion could use some work, 125m2 Drone Bay, at least one Caldari Sub Capital should get a full flight of Wasps, and another turret and missile hard point to be fit for combat(hate the 4-4 splite).
Also it does not have a Battleship sized tank with EWAR, compare it to say if the Domi was a Sensor Damp boat. It would have a much supearor tank, like any other racial EWAR Battleship. There is know serious way to fit an EWAR battleship for the other Race.
Ammar It would remove needed bonuses and there is a lack of slots. Minmatar, great for the Phoon but it would lose ethier it's missile or gun bonus, bye bye versitility. Gallente, I could possibly see the Dominix losing it's Dmg Bonus for this(People would be ****ed)
I guess they had an opertunity to throw EWAR on all Black OP's when they came out but that did not happen.
My 2 ISK
> T2 EWAR bs's based on T1 Tier3 bs hulls.
Lotsa tank, lotsa ewar, not so much'a offensive capabilities nor speed. Sounds interresting anyone?
How about a T2 maelstrom with bonussed webs+TP? A T2 rokh with bonus to ECM and ECM drones (and a nice dronebay)? A T2 abaddon with bonussed neuts and tracking disruptors? A T2 hyperion with bounssed sensor dampeners and long range points?
Basically something that can put up a hefty armor tank, a hefty midrack full of VERY HIGHLY bonussed EWAR but little offensive capabilities and little maneuvring.. turning it into a very niche ship that if you use it can greatly benefit a well fit-out gang but once commited it either dies horribly or prevails heroically.
I think eve is mature enough for such a shipclass.
No to the t2 rokh ewar boat. no no no no no. stick to the scorp or nothing at all pls.
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Kail Storm
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.08.26 07:53:00 -
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Scorps get primaried so fast it makes your head spin, as do other Falcon/Rook and they also dont have huge tanks.
Also man think about it ...Really all Cald has is Ewar, Cant fly Fleets because no RR because Fitting is ludicrous on them and it gimps fits, also you have missle speed which kills long range anything, so what does that leave thats kind of ok except primary the ECM
Amarr has Geddon best RR Fleet ship in game 100k EHP 770 Gun DPS@55km with a full Bay of Heavy drones or sentries.
Abby which is Logi supported best pure Combat T1 BS in game period. 1775-200k EHP with 25% resist bonus which is a logi pilots wet dream, it spits 860ish DPS@55km, plus med/Light drones, its almost cheating
Apoch best sniper in game by far. And all of them use insta swapp ammo for perfect range not to mention unlimited use on t1 crytals.
Minni Mael has great Shield with huge Gank and great Range with Short Range Weps, 50km. Phoon has good DMG and huge drone bay is also armor tanked. Tempest=Huge BC as fast as a Drake with 900 DPS and a 45km range.
Gal Domi is the Chuck Norris Swiss Armny knife [can do anything] Ship. Logi, Shield buffer/Armor Buffer, Nuets and Drones only....Just amazing, also cheap as hell. Mega still very Dangerous in a Brawl. Hyp very hard to break a active tank before the 1200 DPS hurts you
My point is Cald has very limited ships in PVP so the ones we have like ECM we need to keep badly.
Why should we be the oly ones without a Decent RR tank setup, if Shield came in line Minni and Cald could be equals in RR, now as it is you know with 95% certainty enemy is Armor tanked and using mostly amarr ships.
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Moose Burger
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Posted - 2010.08.26 08:48:00 -
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Yeap. Dont use a ship cuz it will be primaried.
Why not use Ferox/Magnates/Bellicoses/Maller in PVP. Im sure those dont get primaried so often.
By using this logic of "avoiding ships that going to be primaried", everything will just devolve into using a single ship type. Be it 1000 Super cap fleets (with only aeons in it, cuz nyx and hell's are definitely going to be "primaried" in a mix SC fleet),
Or it will devolve into mass ibis. Where no one will care about being primaried. Anyone starting to use any other ship then an ibis, will die magically instantly. Also, magically skill will not matter. Because a "primary" tag means the ship is unuseable. Any ship that can die is rendered useless by this magical logic
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Alara IonStorm
Agent-Orange
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Posted - 2010.08.26 08:54:00 -
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Originally by: Moose Burger Yeap. Dont use a ship cuz it will be primaried.
Why not use Ferox/Magnates/Bellicoses/Maller in PVP. Im sure those dont get primaried so often.
By using this logic of "avoiding ships that going to be primaried", everything will just devolve into using a single ship type. Be it 1000 Super cap fleets (with only aeons in it, cuz nyx and hell's are definitely going to be "primaried" in a mix SC fleet),
Or it will devolve into mass ibis. Where no one will care about being primaried. Anyone starting to use any other ship then an ibis, will die magically instantly. Also, magically skill will not matter. Because a "primary" tag means the ship is unuseable. Any ship that can die is rendered useless by this magical logic
This logic is completly wrong!
We all know it will be 1000 Drake, and everyone of them will be trying to figure out who fit ECM.
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Desserisk Navarre
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Posted - 2010.09.09 20:12:00 -
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I'm not saying that BS Ewar ships should be the Be all/End all ships. I honestly think that every race should have one. Yes I understand that there is nothing stopping you from fitting the Ewar modules to a regular ship... but it would be nice if you had a racial BS Ewar ship for all races that did get the bonus. It would certainly make for a bit more interesting choices in Small and large fleet pvp, and it would also get rid of the only large affordable BS Ewar ship ...having to be ECM.
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Alara IonStorm
Agent-Orange
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Posted - 2010.09.09 20:16:00 -
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Originally by: Desserisk Navarre I'm not saying that BS Ewar ships should be the Be all/End all ships. I honestly think that every race should have one. Yes I understand that there is nothing stopping you from fitting the Ewar modules to a regular ship... but it would be nice if you had a racial BS Ewar ship for all races that did get the bonus. It would certainly make for a bit more interesting choices in Small and large fleet pvp, and it would also get rid of the only large affordable BS Ewar ship ...having to be ECM.
Sup I will revive this thread 2 weeks later with a wall of text and no paragraphs.
Which Battle ship bonus are we removing for these EWAR bonuses, Ammar and Galente are not big on mid slots!
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Kail Storm
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.09.09 20:25:00 -
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Originally by: Desserisk Navarre I'm not saying that BS Ewar ships should be the Be all/End all ships. I honestly think that every race should have one. Yes I understand that there is nothing stopping you from fitting the Ewar modules to a regular ship... but it would be nice if you had a racial BS Ewar ship for all races that did get the bonus. It would certainly make for a bit more interesting choices in Small and large fleet pvp, and it would also get rid of the only large affordable BS Ewar ship ...having to be ECM.
But if you think about it Damps and TD`s are for sure things, They dont need bonuses to operate well except maybe an increase to Damp range/TD tracking. The reason the Scorp is needed is because most ships using ECM mods suck and dont have enough Juice to Jam the Target where as the others are sure things, A Nuet doesnt fluctuate and have 50% Chance of sucking Cap.
In a way I hate that Cald has to waste a BS on Ewar, They already only have 1 Viable Ship in fleets between the 3 of them. I would rather a Domi/Phoon style Tier 1 BS, Maybe a FUll blown Combat ship.
Basically you can fit a Damp`d Domi, Painted Phoon and TD`d/Nuet Geddon and it will have 100% chance of working within its parameters, While ECM is Chance and basically very useless on Non Bonused ships. -------------------------------------------------- "If Eve Was P*rn, It would be a Snuff film, First you get screwed then you get killed" -Me
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.09.09 20:37:00 -
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àbecause that's what Recons are for ù the Scorp is a leftover from the era before that. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Jedak K'ral
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Posted - 2010.09.09 20:39:00 -
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Originally by: Kyle Sucks ...
The scorpion doesn't fit a battleship-sized tank; it just dies.
This. I'd love for other races to get a t1 bs made for ewar. Everyone should be privy to the joys of getting primaried.
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Cambarus
The Baros Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.09.09 21:10:00 -
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Originally by: Kail Storm
Originally by: Desserisk Navarre
But if you think about it Damps and TD`s are for sure things, They dont need bonuses to operate well except maybe an increase to Damp range/TD tracking. The reason the Scorp is needed is because most ships using ECM mods suck and dont have enough Juice to Jam the Target where as the others are sure things, A Nuet doesnt fluctuate and have 50% Chance of sucking Cap.
In a way I hate that Cald has to waste a BS on Ewar, They already only have 1 Viable Ship in fleets between the 3 of them. I would rather a Domi/Phoon style Tier 1 BS, Maybe a FUll blown Combat ship.
Basically you can fit a Damp`d Domi, Painted Phoon and TD`d/Nuet Geddon and it will have 100% chance of working within its parameters, While ECM is Chance and basically very useless on Non Bonused ships.
I hated that argument before the last falcon nerf and it still irks me to this day. ECM may be chance based, but it completely shuts down damn near any ship's ability to do anything. It's the only thing in the entire game that can be used to counter pretty much every damn strategy there is, because being able to lock things is kind of important. You're essentially comparing something that has a <100% chance of 100% shutting down a ship vs something that has a 100% chance of shutting down a ship <100%. It's also worth noting that caldari have the best ewar out there, and trying to make it look like TDs (which are fine as they are though not as good as ECM) and damps (pffffffaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahaha) are somehow better than ECM is just silly
As far as your damp domi (go try flying one, I DARE you) painter phoon (actually phoon giving up its gun bonus for a painter bonus would be awesome IMO) or td/neut geddon (TDs on a ship with 3 mids ) go, you do realize that without bonuses that the scorp could do these things just as well yeh? Give it a cap injector or 2 and load it up with neuts, suddenly it's a neut ship, same could be said of TDs and damps (don't underestimate the awesomness that is having lots of mid slots to play with)
As far as giving the other races bonused ships, it's not in and of itself a bad idea, but aside from TDs they already have them (marauders have web/painter bonuses, widow has ECM, and even with a bonus damps are useless 99% of the time). It's also worth noting that TDs tend to be very hit and miss. Against certain ships/setups they work so well they're kind of OP, and against others they do so little it's useless (there are gun boats that this applies to btw). It's the main reason you don't see everyone and their dog fielding them and screaming that they need a nerf, and the reason why you don't really need a bonused ship for them. Against ships that they already perform well on it won't make a difference because the target is already screwed, and against the ones they don't do well on it's more because losing range or tracking doesn't mean crippling the ship anyway, so giving them a bonus there won't do much either. |
Altaica Amur
The Elliance
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Posted - 2010.09.09 21:14:00 -
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I'd be more inclined to see a non-cloaking lineup of EWAR battlecruisers myself as these would retain enough mobility and not-horrible locking times to compete in the EWAR game while retaining some durability, this in concert with not being as cloaky as the current recon lineup might bring ECM out of it's all or nothing bipolar phase.
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1600 RT
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Posted - 2010.09.09 21:49:00 -
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Originally by: Alec Freeman +1 I want my target painting tempest please
actually removing the projectile rof bonus on the phoon for a target painter bonus would be pretty cool
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Seriously Bored
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.09.09 22:20:00 -
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Originally by: Cambarus
As far as your damp domi (go try flying one, I DARE you) painter phoon (actually phoon giving up its gun bonus for a painter bonus would be awesome IMO) or td/neut geddon (TDs on a ship with 3 mids ) go, you do realize that without bonuses that the scorp could do these things just as well yeh?
Please yes.
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Amaha Masane
Caldari Avalon Advanced Research and Development Eclectic Collective
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Posted - 2010.09.10 01:10:00 -
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As others have already pointed out the Scorp and the idea of other t1 EWAR battleships has been kinda obsoleted by recons. Hell, I'd love to bring my damp/NOS domi out of mothballs but when it's role can be filled by a ship that's smaller, more agile, and capable of a secondary effect (better point/web/nuet), it's a no-brainer which one would be better to fly. I'm of half a mind that CCP would completely redesign the scorp role-wise if not for two things:
1-The math: Say what you will about other racial EWAR, but at least when you use it you can be damn sure it's gonna work in some fashion. Using ECM is like gambling, and if you're gonna gamble the more tries you have win the better. The scorp can fit 4 ECM with some semblance of a tank, or go the "glass-jammer" route and fit 6, something that's unique to that ship.
2-Every away team needs a red shirt. You remember them, right? The guys that took a hit so Kirk or Spock wouldn't die? Yeah, that's you. If you fly an ECM boat, you are going to die. No sane FC is gonna divert resources to protect the force multipler. Heck, if they're shooting at you it means they're not shooting at the 1000 dps face-melters in the fleet. If you are a dedicated EWAR pilot you are at peace with this. Consequently, I am more at peace with losing 40 million than I am with losing 120 million.
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Kail Storm
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.09.10 01:28:00 -
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Originally by: Cambarus
Originally by: Kail Storm
Originally by: Desserisk Navarre
But if you think about it Damps and TD`s are for sure things, They dont need bonuses to operate well except maybe an increase to Damp range/TD tracking. The reason the Scorp is needed is because most ships using ECM mods suck and dont have enough Juice to Jam the Target where as the others are sure things, A Nuet doesnt fluctuate and have 50% Chance of sucking Cap.
Basically you can fit a Damp`d Domi, Painted Phoon and TD`d/Nuet Geddon and it will have 100% chance of working within its parameters, While ECM is Chance and basically very useless on Non Bonused ships.
I hated that argument before the last falcon nerf and it still irks me to this day. ECM may be chance based, but it completely shuts down damn near any ship's ability to do anything. It's the only thing in the entire game that can be used to counter pretty much every damn strategy there is, because being able to lock things is kind of important. You're essentially comparing something that has a <100% chance of 100% shutting down a ship vs something that has a 100% chance of shutting down a ship <100%. It's also worth noting that caldari have the best ewar out there, and trying to make it look like TDs (which are fine as they are though not as good as ECM) and damps (pffffffaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahaha) are somehow better than ECM is just silly
As far as your damp domi (go try flying one, I DARE you) painter phoon (actually phoon giving up its gun bonus for a painter bonus would be awesome IMO) or td/neut geddon (TDs on a ship with 3 mids ) go, you do realize that without bonuses that the scorp could do these things just as well yeh? Give it a cap injector or 2 and load it up with neuts, suddenly it's a neut ship, same could be said of TDs and damps (don't underestimate the awesomness that is having lots of mid slots to play with)
As far as giving the other races bonused ships, it's not in and of itself a bad idea, but aside from TDs they already have them (marauders have web/painter bonuses, widow has ECM, and even with a bonus damps are useless 99% of the time). It's also worth noting that TDs tend to be very hit and miss. Against certain ships/setups they work so well they're kind of OP, and against others they do so little it's useless (there are gun boats that this applies to btw). It's the main reason you don't see everyone and their dog fielding them and screaming that they need a nerf, and the reason why you don't really need a bonused ship for them. Against ships that they already perform well on it won't make a difference because the target is already screwed, and against the ones they don't do well on it's more because losing range or tracking doesn't mean crippling the ship anyway, so giving them a bonus there won't do much either.
K Now you just trying to look for arguments. I never said it was better or worse, ECM is very useful, but try using it in anything as a true jamming shipe besides Falcon/Rook Scorp..Its not very effective.
I wasnt really meaning a Damp Domi but my point was it doesnt matter what ship you use it on. So basically just for ECM cald loses a combat BS Slot where all the others dont. Other races dont need ECM BS`s because there Ewar is just as effective on Frigs as it is on BS`s where as with ECM its not the case, its almost always dependent on the Bonus which happens to be on 4 Ships 3 of which are useful and 2 of which are certain Death, Rook/Falcon.
Once other Ewar gets chance based then there will be a need until then there isnt.
Also Drones dont care about ECM, Niether does FOF`s and Since ECM ships are Shield Tanked and it still takes multiple modules to get really strong jamms there tank is paper, a Painted Phoon wouldnt suffer
No one ever said it was better, you just have your whinning filter on. -------------------------------------------------- "If Eve Was P*rn, It would be a Snuff film, First you get screwed then you get killed" -Me
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Nina Treml
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Posted - 2010.09.10 09:56:00 -
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Originally by: Desserisk Navarre As we all know Caldari are blessed with a Battleship class EW ship. When will the other races get theirs? Is this even a concern for the rest of the EW pilots out there?
Personally I would love the opportunity to fly and Amarr BS with a bonus to Neutralizers and tracking disruptors or a Gallente BS that gives a Dampening bonus.
Why should Caldari pilots be the only ones with the option to fly an EW ship able to fit a BS size tank? Anyone with any information on this subject please feel free to enlighten me. I honestly just do not understand why the other races lack this option.
No surprise, if you think about that, caldari is the only race to have basically anything: close range, long range and snipers, pve, pvp, ewar, just say something and they excell in it, they even get ugly ships fixed so they look awsome, what more can you ask?
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People's elbow
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Posted - 2010.09.10 10:42:00 -
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Originally by: SFX Bladerunner Edited by: SFX Bladerunner on 26/08/2010 01:42:41
Originally by: Alara IonStorm I think the Scorpion could use some work, 125m2 Drone Bay, at least one Caldari Sub Capital should get a full flight of Wasps, and another turret and missile hard point to be fit for combat(hate the 4-4 splite).
Also it does not have a Battleship sized tank with EWAR, compare it to say if the Domi was a Sensor Damp boat. It would have a much supearor tank, like any other racial EWAR Battleship. There is know serious way to fit an EWAR battleship for the other Race.
Ammar It would remove needed bonuses and there is a lack of slots. Minmatar, great for the Phoon but it would lose ethier it's missile or gun bonus, bye bye versitility. Gallente, I could possibly see the Dominix losing it's Dmg Bonus for this(People would be ****ed)
I guess they had an opertunity to throw EWAR on all Black OP's when they came out but that did not happen.
My 2 ISK
> T2 EWAR bs's based on T1 Tier3 bs hulls.
Lotsa tank, lotsa ewar, not so much'a offensive capabilities nor speed. Sounds interresting anyone?
How about a T2 maelstrom with bonussed webs+TP? A T2 rokh with bonus to ECM and ECM drones (and a nice dronebay)? A T2 abaddon with bonussed neuts and tracking disruptors? A T2 hyperion with bounssed sensor dampeners and long range points?
Basically something that can put up a hefty armor tank, a hefty midrack full of VERY HIGHLY bonussed EWAR but little offensive capabilities and little maneuvring.. turning it into a very niche ship that if you use it can greatly benefit a well fit-out gang but once commited it either dies horribly or prevails heroically.
I think eve is mature enough for such a shipclass.
QFT \0/
The black ops class is pretty "good" and i think it could be a very good gain to pvp to have a second TII battleship class with an ewar specialization. Can you imagine the empire/low sec gate with such a ship ?
The main issue is that you can barely do that with T3 ships
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