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Umega
Solis Mensa
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Posted - 2010.09.09 03:10:00 -
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Originally by: Terra Mikael ITT: M0rons
Fit a tracking disruptor. Problem solved.
Suddenly a 300mil frigate becomes worthless for as little as 50k isk.
Welcome to eve.
Shhhhhhh.. you're exposing one of the biggest secrets in EVE when combating speed, script'd TDs. No one uses them cause they haven't been made popular to use by a popular forum warrior.. so they remain in the secret vault, masterlocked by normality.
---------------------------------------- -Treat the EVE Market like you're a pimp and it is your 'employee'.. freely fondle it as you wish and make it pay you for it- |
Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.09.09 04:50:00 -
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Dram sucks when compared to a dedicated tackle inty unless you enjoy pwning 1 vs 1 frigs and crap fit and piloted t1 cruisers.
All is well.
Originally by: CCP Oveur My milkshake brings all the boys to the yard.
Originally by: Ryhss There is no paranoia in Eve, everyone is out to get you....
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Dr Fighter
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Posted - 2010.09.09 08:24:00 -
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its a 90m frigate which usually dies just as fast in most situation as the 10m intys.
buhu.
same goes for the cynabal, its faster than every cruiser out there its also 50 times the price
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Natalie Caladan
Hedion University
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Posted - 2010.09.09 08:36:00 -
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Originally by: Bastaardicious Because it's a faction ship, faction ship is pwn.
Originally by: To mare 1st CCP said that pirate faction ships should be better than T2
I want a huge buff to my Ashimmu!
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Anddeh McNab
Matari Department of Gun Control
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Posted - 2010.09.09 08:56:00 -
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Pssh, my firetail goes almost as quick as an interceptor. More so before they took the speed bonus off it
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1600 RT
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Posted - 2010.09.09 09:15:00 -
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Originally by: Natalie Caladan Edited by: Natalie Caladan on 09/09/2010 08:36:50
Originally by: Bastaardicious Because it's a faction ship, faction ship is pwn.
Originally by: To mare 1st CCP said that pirate faction ships should be better than T2
I want a huge buff to my Ashimmu so it outperforms a Curse!
do your curse have 90% web? do your curse can fit 6 turrets +3 neuts + 1600 plate?
the 2 ships cover 2 different roles they are not even comparable
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2010.09.09 09:40:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba Dram sucks when compared to a dedicated tackle inty unless you enjoy pwning 1 vs 1 frigs and crap fit and piloted t1 cruisers.
All is well.
You are doing it wrong then. It has more than enough slots and fittings plus the stupidly high speed/agility to outperform even the Stiletto in the tackling role. The higher signature due to lack of interceptor bonus is more than compensated for by the ludicrous speed .. combine it with a Loki and it will tackle God himself with zero repercussions
Originally by: Anddeh McNab Pssh, my firetail goes almost as quick as an interceptor. More so before they took the speed bonus off it
Take a look at the differences between the Dramiel and Firetail, I suspect you'll retract that 'Pssh'
Dramiel vs. Firetail has: +50% scan resolution (equal to inties), -10% signature (equal to inties), +15% base speed (more than inties), -32% mass (WAY less than everything), +3 drones, +falloff bonus, relaxed fittings .. The ONLY area where the Dramiel is 'weaker' than anything is its targeting range which is not really an issue when you travel twice as fast as most things.
They can be killed, no doubt, but getting that mail is entirely dependent on blind luck and/or pilot error (gimmick fits don't count, and you bloody well know it ).
They need to be focused like all the other faction frigates. It is either a combat ship or an interceptor, it should not be able to perform both roles at the same time with no refitting required.
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LordInvisible
Gallente Nova Ardour
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Posted - 2010.09.09 10:41:00 -
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ohh jezz guys, learn to fly other ships..
Why doesnt any dramiel engage me in my t1 frigs? coz they know that no dramiel can kill something thats piloted well..
Its a game of rock, scissors, paper. Fit one medium neut and dramiel is dead or has to run. with scram and two webs, and dram is dead..Get vigilant into fleet, dead dramiel. 5 bonused warriors II eat dramiels if they stick around too long.
Why should be all ships equal in same class? Dram costs alot, and u need alot of EXP not just SP to fly it efficiently.. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: "For me EvE wasn't that much fun, many ppl refer to it as a nicely designed database front-end and that |
Vokradacka
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Posted - 2010.09.09 12:05:00 -
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Dramiel isnt OP... 20 ppl dramiel ONLY fleet ,which i saw yesterday , was probably halucination...These ppls are dumb for sure...
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Dr Fighter
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Posted - 2010.09.09 12:21:00 -
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Originally by: Vokradacka Dramiel isnt OP... 20 ppl dramiel ONLY fleet ,which i saw yesterday , was probably halucination...These ppls are dumb for sure...
And when they crash into a gang of 20 crusders and fight, the few drams that are left limp away.
Dram fleet down 17x 100 mil crusdaer fleet 20 down, 20 mil each
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felchergod
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Posted - 2010.09.09 13:31:00 -
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Originally by: LordInvisible ohh jezz guys, learn to fly other ships..
Why doesnt any dramiel engage me in my t1 frigs? coz they know that no dramiel can kill something thats piloted well..
Its a game of rock, scissors, paper. Fit one medium neut and dramiel is dead or has to run. with scram and two webs, and dram is dead..Get vigilant into fleet, dead dramiel. 5 bonused warriors II eat dramiels if they stick around too long.
more like they don't engage you cos they can't probe you out while your sitting at your safe.
we are talking frigate hull here..not faction cruiser with a medium neut.
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Ong
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Posted - 2010.09.09 14:02:00 -
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Originally by: Ethyn Something is wrong with that picture. A frig, faction or not should not be faster than an interceptor.
I can get my male moving at just over 7km/s with mwd (not overheated), but a dramiel fitted similarly with the same implants will do 11km/s with just mwd.
CCP needs to nerf this ship, not only is it ugly, but it's breaking a class of ship that at the very least should hold the speedster title.
lmao is it 2007 again............ I seem to remember the same being said that all vagas did 2billion km/s and were invincible
I have never seen a dram do 11kms in game, maybe your playing that other game eftwarrior online, is it any good?
5km/s is about what most do in the magical game that is eve online I dont think thats to bad for a ship that costs 7-8 times that of an inty or AF.
Seriously go be bad at some other game elsewhere
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2010.09.09 14:21:00 -
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Originally by: Ong Seriously go be bad at some other game elsewhere
You going to take your own advice as a matter of principle I hope.
Dramiel does 5k/s with unheated MWD and NO speed mods. Interceptors have to either heat or use 2+ Overdrives to even hit that mark. But that is not all, unfitted Dramiel has 33% higher agility than an interceptor with twin nano-fibres AND a mass so low that its acceleration outpaces interceptors by a staggering margin.
PS: The 10+k/s Dramiel mentioned is probably using snakes and/or Loki booster but I have seen buddy-less Dramiels break 9k/s when heating so a very distinct possibility.
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Ong
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Posted - 2010.09.09 14:51:00 -
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Originally by: Hirana Yoshida
Originally by: Ong Seriously go be bad at some other game elsewhere
You going to take your own advice as a matter of principle I hope.
Dramiel does 5k/s with unheated MWD and NO speed mods. Interceptors have to either heat or use 2+ Overdrives to even hit that mark. But that is not all, unfitted Dramiel has 33% higher agility than an interceptor with twin nano-fibres AND a mass so low that its acceleration outpaces interceptors by a staggering margin.
PS: The 10+k/s Dramiel mentioned is probably using snakes and/or Loki booster but I have seen buddy-less Dramiels break 9k/s when heating so a very distinct possibility.
Ah so it appears we are playing eftwarrior online, ok well I'll match your 11kms with 14.7 from HG snakes + speed implants, a claymore & heat. Do I win?
While it is possible to do that 99% of them dont, if your going by pure stats, we can say all vagas do 20 kms (same implants 100mn mwd) or that all navy scorps tank 28k dps I think they all need a nerf going by those figures . My point was that you cant judge a ship by the figures you can eft up.
Tbh if 1% of dram pilots choose to have a command ship alt and have 2+ bill in their head then you know what I dont mind that he can outrun my T2 fit inty with no implants or command alt, because you know what he cant do a damn thing at that speed apart from run away.
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2010.09.09 15:15:00 -
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Originally by: Ong ...I dont mind that he can outrun my T2 fit inty with no implants or command alt, because you know what he cant do a damn thing at that speed apart from run away.
Do you even read before replying? It isn't a matter of you not minding .. the Dramiel WILL outrun your T2 fitted interceptor with with speed mods whether you want it to or not and he does so with no speed mods other than his MWD. Guess where all the slots he is not using for speed mods are going? End result is tank, gank AND speed .. if it was merely speed it wouldn't be a problem.
Yes the buy-in is higher but since you only loose them once in a blue moon it still wins big in the ISK/performance race.
PS: And no I have not had EFT opened this week actually, the overview and directional scanner tells me all I need to know.
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Ong
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Posted - 2010.09.09 16:15:00 -
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Originally by: Hirana Yoshida
Originally by: Ong ...I dont mind that he can outrun my T2 fit inty with no implants or command alt, because you know what he cant do a damn thing at that speed apart from run away.
Do you even read before replying? It isn't a matter of you not minding .. the Dramiel WILL outrun your T2 fitted interceptor with with speed mods whether you want it to or not and he does so with no speed mods other than his MWD. Guess where all the slots he is not using for speed mods are going? End result is tank, gank AND speed .. if it was merely speed it wouldn't be a problem.
Yes the buy-in is higher but since you only loose them once in a blue moon it still wins big in the ISK/performance race.
PS: And no I have not had EFT opened this week actually, the overview and directional scanner tells me all I need to know.
So what you would like it to do either 5kms and have no tank, or do like 3kms and be ganky?
At this point your 100mill frig is doing nothing more then a 15 mill inty can do and goes back to being a shiney ship people keep in their hanger like it was for years b4 the faction ship buff. Good plan
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Captain Pompous
Is Right Even When He's Wrong So Deal With It
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Posted - 2010.09.09 16:18:00 -
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OP, if you're so butthurt (apparently) about the Dramiel, then why in ****ing Christ's name does your sig say "Go Fast Or Die"? ---
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Zarnak Wulf
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Posted - 2010.09.09 16:25:00 -
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I would really prefer that CCP look at fixing everything that's broken with small ship combat before nerfing anything. What's broken? Rockets, AF, Destroyers, EAS.....
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Ong
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Posted - 2010.09.09 16:35:00 -
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Originally by: Zarnak Wulf I would really prefer that CCP look at fixing everything that's broken with small ship combat before nerfing anything. What's broken? Rockets, AF, Destroyers, EAS.....
But but but that would mean thinking of solutions and having ideas rather then just whining. We all know that things that need fixing in eve right now are:
1) Lag 2) Lag 3) Rockets 4) Lag 5) Blaster 6) Lag 7) Af's 8) Lag 9) Eas 10) Yup you guessed it, Lag
But Forum trols would rather it be:
1) Nerf anything they cant kill 2) Once its nerfed, nerf it again 3) Move on to the next apparently overpowerd ship as everything is so freaking broken because its been nerfed to much. 4) Get 'Oh kewl I can seez myself walking in stationz' 5) Some other irrelevant ****
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Letrange
Minmatar Chaosstorm Corporation
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Posted - 2010.09.09 17:00:00 -
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Originally by: Ong We all know that things that need fixing in eve right now are:
1) Lag 2) Lag 3) Rockets 4) Lag 5) Blaster 6) Lag 7) Af's 8) Lag 9) Eas 10) Yup you guessed it, Lag
But Forum trols would rather it be:
1) Nerf anything they cant kill 2) Once its nerfed, nerf it again 3) Move on to the next apparently overpowerd ship as everything is so freaking broken because its been nerfed to much. 4) Get 'Oh kewl I can seez myself walking in stationz' 5) Some other irrelevant ****
By Jove Space! I do believe he has got it!
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yani dumyat
Minmatar Black Storm Cartel The Orca Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.09.09 17:09:00 -
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I'd have to agree with the above posters that frigate class ships have way bigger imbalances to worry about than the dramiel.
Back on topic I don't see the big problem with the dramiel, sure it can 1 vs 1 most other frigs but anyone playing gang tackle dies in the end and drams are no different. Give me a stiletto for that role any day.
When a ship is too good it starts to suffer from the curse effect - people just won't go near you. Sure you can do the old surprise buttsex routine on some random noob in a belt but the only people who will willingly engage you are daredevil and anti-frig cruiser pilots.
That crusader who saw you on scan and warped to safe probably got twice the number of fights today simply because he wasn't flying an OP ship. _______
Trolls and Tribulations A story of eve, trolls, world domination and dogfighting against starlings in a tiny dramiel. |
Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2010.09.09 17:15:00 -
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Originally by: Ong So what you would like it to do either 5kms and have no tank, or do like 3kms and be ganky?..
Neither. Take out the drones and its in line with all the other faction frigs. It will have speed/agility advantage but will have to make sacrifices if any one aspect of its operation is to be maximized .. I would love for it to be redesigned from scratch with a clear purpose in mind but CCP are lazy bums (forum says so, must be true!) so doubt it will happen.
Originally by: Zarnak Wulf I would really prefer that CCP look at fixing everything that's broken with small ship combat before nerfing anything. What's broken? Rockets, AF, Destroyers, EAS.....
The Space Fairies tell me CCP are close to finsihing work on rockets and are getting ready to test on SiSi in the near future (ref: rocket thread in Test Server forum)
Originally by: Ong But but but ...
Yes, anyone voicing concern about obvious flaws in game are trolls, carebears and whiners Lag is a non-issue in my corner of the sandbox so it is not the top of my list (I know of no one not living in blob-land that actually has it at the top). Solo/small-gang balance is however of interest to me. And I can kill the Dramiel with a Slicer just fine thank you very much, at least some of the iterations. The hoops one has to go through to achieve that is too numerous for it to qualify as balanced however.
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NightmareX
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers The 0rphanage
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Posted - 2010.09.09 17:44:00 -
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Edited by: NightmareX on 09/09/2010 17:49:54
Originally by: Hirana Yoshida
Originally by: Ong So what you would like it to do either 5kms and have no tank, or do like 3kms and be ganky?..
Take out the drones and its in line with all the other faction frigs.
So that means we can just take the 37.5% damage bonus down to 25% and take one turret away from the Vindicator just so it can be in line with the Navy Mega in DPS?
Well i'm just doing the same as you are saying now.
Here is a tip. Pirate ships is better than faction ships.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.09.09 18:00:00 -
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Originally by: Hirana Yoshida
Originally by: Zeba Dram sucks when compared to a dedicated tackle inty unless you enjoy pwning 1 vs 1 frigs and crap fit and piloted t1 cruisers.
All is well.
You are doing it wrong then. It has more than enough slots and fittings plus the stupidly high speed/agility to outperform even the Stiletto in the tackling role. The higher signature due to lack of interceptor bonus is more than compensated for by the ludicrous speed .. combine it with a Loki and it will tackle God himself with zero repercussions
WTB: Dram with 36km point and 13.5km scram.(or 17km scram if you want to opt for a domi scram. its about the same price as the dram so why not?) Who needs ludicrus speed when you can simply stay out of the average frig killing defensive sphere of the targeted ship. And yes please make sure to have that loki on hand for every single tackle so you can be uber!
Dedicated tackle intys do the job better without needing a second player in a t3 ship to make it viable. So stick to pwning rifters and shiatty fit cruisers with your dram(something another shiatty fit cruiser can do at a fraction of the cost btw) and leave the dedicated tackling to the grown ups.
Originally by: CCP Oveur My milkshake brings all the boys to the yard.
Originally by: Ryhss There is no paranoia in Eve, everyone is out to get you....
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Indeterminacy
THORN Syndicate Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2010.09.09 18:37:00 -
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The closest thing (interceptor wise) to a dram is a taranis. While slower, the taranis does more dps. For actual tackling (not combat per se) dram and taranis are pretty terrible. In fact, so is the OPs malediction.
I used to complain about drams too. Then I got one but i would never use it over say, a raptor, in a fleet battle.
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Arbiter Reformed
Minmatar 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.09 21:04:00 -
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dramiel is the most boring ship to fly in eve, anything you want to kill wont fight you/ you cant kill it, you spend half your time running away the other half running away?
worst solo ship ever anyway real men fly claws
also they die just as easy as any ceptor in big fights
oh also no sig reduction, no takle range bonus, oh and they cost 8 times more and dont die 8 times less
just to emphasisZe
REAL MEN FLY CLAWS
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Captain Nares
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Posted - 2010.09.09 21:16:00 -
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Edited by: Captain Nares on 09/09/2010 21:16:45 Everybody who don't think that Dramiel is OP is trolling or just stupid
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Rahnim
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Posted - 2010.09.09 21:54:00 -
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I believe CCP one time nerfed other frigs because they were not suppose to be faster than the interceptor, I think it was the minimatar faction frig, I agree that the dramiel shouldnt be faster than the interceptors... I think its fine it does good dps, because in practice the dramiel will kill any interceptor that trys to catch it, the but the interceptor should be able to do it's role. or something.
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omgfreemoniez
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Posted - 2010.09.09 22:51:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Nares Edited by: Captain Nares on 09/09/2010 21:16:45 Everybody who don't think that Dramiel is OP is trolling or just stupid
Or they fly one? Ships you fly can't be OP, innit?
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Captain Nares
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Posted - 2010.09.10 04:12:00 -
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Edited by: Captain Nares on 10/09/2010 04:13:18
Originally by: omgfreemoniez Or they fly one? Ships you fly can't be OP, innit?
Maybe. But I fly one too and have perfect skills for it, Small AC spec lvl5 etc but still say that Dramiel is OP and must be nerfed.
PS maybe I just like to see things getting destroyed. Imagine one day when Dramiel pilot undocks and sees 3 mids, 0 drone bay or 3 km/s speed... mwahaha!
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