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RAIZOR BLAIDS
Amarr THE SKULLZ. Sacra Cupola
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Posted - 2010.08.29 12:55:00 -
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Let me start of by saying I miss the old eve (red moon rising is when I got in game) I know there have been patches and things added to make our EvE life better BUT we have way to many things wrong.
Im not going to go through list but Im going restate my case on a few
High sec is full of griefing corps i.e corps that wardec everyone. WE want our pilots to get into corps more and out of NPC corps but when they do the corp gets war deced and they cant function and they quit or go right back to npc corps. stop the war decs in high sec 0.6 and up
Low sec gate guns are too weak I can tank them , but if you like the idea of pirates then take the security hits out of low sec leave the guns or no sec hit and put one or two concords and let us duke it out or be able to run . OR amp the guns.
This is it for now let the flaming commence.
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Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.08.29 13:04:00 -
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Originally by: RAIZOR BLAIDS
High sec is full of griefing corps i.e corps that wardec everyone. WE want our pilots to get into corps more and out of NPC corps but when they do the corp gets war deced and they cant function and they quit or go right back to npc corps. stop the war decs in high sec 0.6 and up
Conversely, I propose that all NPC corps are drafted into the faction war and are war decable. Also, War decs are invalidated in starter systems against NPC corps.
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Low sec gate guns are too weak I can tank them , but if you like the idea of pirates then take the security hits out of low sec leave the guns or no sec hit and put one or two concords and let us duke it out or be able to run . OR amp the guns.
I support keeping that part of low sec mostly as is, though I admit I'd be +1 to the removal of the sec status system since it punishes PVP and rewards PVE. Even when carebearing in low sec, I in myself frustrated by the sec status system. If someone comes into my mission, there's very little doubt what he's there for and I have no intention of just letting him gank me.
Not that I'm a carebear. :)
-Liang -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter Blog
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Bunyip
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2010.08.29 22:34:00 -
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I can agree with this. However, let me address the issues one at a time:
1. The wardec system is horribly broken, but how do you fix it? This is not a forum to gripe and complain, but to offer suggestions on how to fix what is broken. Let's figure out a way to fix the wardec situation, as even CCP knows it's broken.
2. Gate guns are pretty weak, as the ships have been improved but the gate guns have been left alone to the point that most larger ships can tank them. Again, what do you propose to fix it?
That said, I've seen lots of threads on both issues, but the solution is elusive. Let's work together to fix the problems. Until I see this, I cannot support a whine thread.
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Mr SmartGuy
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Posted - 2010.08.29 22:49:00 -
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Originally by: RAIZOR BLAIDS
This is it for now let the flaming commence.
Next time you are trying to troll, please leave this sentence out. The subject itself is obvious, but with this sentence in your original post it makes it even more obvious.
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Bhattran
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Posted - 2010.08.29 23:18:00 -
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I propose that wardec's only be permissible between corporations that consent to entering the wardec pool. Any corp that doesn't pays a fee to keep out of that pool, the fee not to exceed what a wardec on that corp would cost, same for alliances. -------------------------------------------------------------- Fanboys would make great cult members. |
Stick Cult
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Posted - 2010.08.29 23:51:00 -
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Originally by: Bhattran I propose that wardec's only be permissible between corporations that consent to entering the wardec pool. Any corp that doesn't pays a fee to keep out of that pool, the fee not to exceed what a wardec on that corp would cost, same for alliances.
Yea, no. I agree it needs fixing but this definitely isn't it.
Originally by: CCP Tuxford my bad. Rest assured I'm being ridiculed by my co-workers.
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Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.08.29 23:55:00 -
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Originally by: Bhattran I propose that wardec's only be permissible between corporations that consent to entering the wardec pool. Any corp that doesn't pays a fee to keep out of that pool, the fee not to exceed what a wardec on that corp would cost, same for alliances.
I like this idea a lot, but I feel it needs modified slightly: - NPC corps naturally cannot pay the fee since they have no player CEO, and thus are war dec'able. - The fee should be 50 mil * max(num members in corp during week) payable on Sundays. - In an effort to prevent abuse of the system, the fee multiplies by 20 if you are currently war dec'ed, and max(members) becomes max(members) in last 6 months.
I believe this would help Eve's economy by encouraging more carebearing and provide a massive ISK sink as risk averse people flock to war dec immune corps.
-Liang -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter Blog
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RAIZOR BLAIDS
Amarr THE SKULLZ. Sacra Cupola
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Posted - 2010.08.30 10:54:00 -
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Thank you for the responses I agree and disagree with some.
My suggestions to fix
Is have a wardec charter system to where you cant get war deced a random, you can pay like the idea above a fee for this privilege sorta like paying for be neutral.
If there is a grievance then there must be a mutual agreement. Now .4 and below this does not apply .
If were going to have pirates then we must let piracy flow. no more sec hits in low sec if so then this needs to be lightened as in 3 warnings. If were going have gate guns in low sec then the need to be more powerful .
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Abdiel Kavash
Caldari Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2010.08.31 05:39:00 -
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Make the wardec fee escalate when you wardec the same corporation multiple times in a short timeframe (3-4 months). This will make life for griefers harder, and regular wardecs will not be affected. As a bonus, it encourages corps to live through the wardec or fight back instead of abandoning corp and reforming - wardecing the new corp would only cost the initial amount.
Not that I care about wardecs anyway... You are not supposed to be "safe" in empire, by design. ___________ EVE is dying! Now for real! |
Slimy Worm
Cyan Wolf
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Posted - 2010.08.31 22:47:00 -
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Edited by: Slimy Worm on 31/08/2010 22:49:32
Originally by: RAIZOR BLAIDS Let me start of by saying I miss the old eve (red moon rising is when I got in game) I know there have been patches and things added to make our EvE life better BUT we have way to many things wrong.
Im not going to go through list but Im going restate my case on a few
1) High sec is full of griefing corps i.e corps that wardec everyone. WE want our pilots to get into corps more and out of NPC corps but when they do the corp gets war deced and they cant function and they quit or go right back to npc corps. stop the war decs in high sec 0.6 and up
3) Low sec gate guns are too weak I can tank them , but if you like the idea of pirates then take the security hits out of low sec leave the guns or no sec hit and put one or two concords and let us duke it out or be able to run . OR amp the guns.
This is it for now let the flaming commence.
1) Balancing risk vs reward would reduce the amount of griefer corps. There simply aren't enough targets in lowsec (unless you gatecamp, which is boring) and the targets that are there usually aren't very juicy. Pirates usually end up fighting other pirates, which is lame.
Make it so that rats that are in highsec, regardless of PvE difficulty, automatically give half or less of the bounty as rats in lowsec and nerf highsec LP payout.
Pirates/"Pirates" go where the targets are. That's why there's so many griefer corps in highsec.
That being said, it doesn't hurt to allow corporations who get decced to bring in another corp to fight the aggressor corp for free. Right now it's too easy for griefers to dec themselves with alt corps so that mercs can't get involved because of the three-dec limit, but I don't think most griefer corps do that anyway.
2) Stronger gateguns would reduce the one true form of piracy that is common in lowsec: Gatecamping.
However, nerfing infinipoints in lowsec so that they only work on ships that can't normally be autoscrammed would make running through lowsec gates a bit more fair for people who don't have covert ops industrials. Another good change would be to create more lowsec entry points. Coupling this with removing the highsec inter-empire superhighways would bring more targets to lowsec but also make lowsec less dangerous and therefore more profitable.
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Scott McClellan
Forum Posters Anonymous
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Posted - 2010.08.31 23:42:00 -
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Edited by: Scott McClellan on 31/08/2010 23:43:45 My personal suggestion:
1. Make Wardecs a bidding war, one side can pay to dec, the other side can pay to invalidate. Equal costs (or perhaps less on the defender side). Potential penalty for deccing smaller corps than yours (though this probably wouldn't adversly affect the hisec deccers as their corps are often smaller than the ones they dec, that's fine).
2. Gate guns have not kept pace with ship toughness, they should NOT be tankable. Lowsec PVP is for belts, mission sites, exploration sites, etc. Leave the gate and station games for 0.0, except for those who want to try to snipe >150km at lowsec gates. Lowsec needs a lot more help to get people into it though.
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Slimy Worm
Cyan Wolf
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Posted - 2010.09.01 00:42:00 -
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Originally by: Scott McClellan Edited by: Scott McClellan on 31/08/2010 23:43:45 My personal suggestion:
1. Make Wardecs a bidding war, one side can pay to dec, the other side can pay to invalidate. Equal costs (or perhaps less on the defender side). Potential penalty for deccing smaller corps than yours (though this probably wouldn't adversly affect the hisec deccers as their corps are often smaller than the ones they dec, that's fine).
2. Gate guns have not kept pace with ship toughness, they should NOT be tankable. Lowsec PVP is for belts, mission sites, exploration sites, etc. Leave the gate and station games for 0.0, except for those who want to try to snipe >150km at lowsec gates. Lowsec needs a lot more help to get people into it though.
1. gb2wowkthxbai
2. Traders only go from gate to gate in lowsec so they'd be buffed too much. Lowsec hauling does need to be safer, but this can be done by making more entrypoints into lowsec.
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Rip Minner
Gallente ARMITAGE Logistics Salvage and Industries
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Posted - 2010.09.01 03:24:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren Edited by: Liang Nuren on 30/08/2010 00:00:37
Originally by: Bhattran I propose that wardec's only be permissible between corporations that consent to entering the wardec pool. Any corp that doesn't pays a fee to keep out of that pool, the fee not to exceed what a wardec on that corp would cost, same for alliances.
I like this idea a lot, but I feel it needs modified slightly: - NPC corps naturally cannot pay the fee since they have no player CEO, and thus are war dec'able. - The fee should be 50 mil * max(num members in corp during week) payable on Sundays. - In an effort to prevent abuse of the system, the fee multiplies by 20 if you are currently war dec'ed, and max(members) becomes max(members) in last 6 months.
I believe this would help Eve's economy by encouraging more carebearing and provide a massive ISK sink as risk averse people flock to war dec immune corps.
-Liang
I belive it would not stop me or my corp mebers from doing what we already do A.) Join brother alliance and stay loged off for two weeks and check back later or B.) Just leave corp and make new one. Is it a rock? Point a Lazer at it and profit. Is it a ship? Point a Lazer at it and profit. I dont realy see any differnces here. |
Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.09.01 04:45:00 -
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Originally by: Rip Minner I belive it would not stop me or my corp mebers from doing what we already do A.) Join brother alliance and stay loged off for two weeks and check back later or B.) Just leave corp and make new one.
Good point. It should also cost 5 billion ISK to leave a corp if its war dec'ed.
-Liang -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter Blog
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2010.09.01 07:26:00 -
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You call the thread re-balance of power, but fail to mention which powers exactly you want to re-balance, mind clarifying that?
High-sec declarations should be expensive, very expensive. One has to assume (RP PoV) they are allowed to give corporations the option of physically dismantling a competitor when softer measures fail. Sky-rocket the price and a majority of the griefing will subside.
Gate/Station-guns are a joke. All they are capable of is preventing the lone frigate hull from pirating, once 2+ pirates with drones are present they become a nuisance at best. Remove or Enhance. Increase damage by a huge margin, add extreme tracking (to swat frigs/drones) and BS class signature resolution .. make them pack a wallop so that being hit does more than tickle when in plate cruiser and up.
Remove security hits when not on grid with anything that can report it (ie. gates, guns, stations) .. "out of sight, out of mind".
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nutsy MCballsonchin
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Posted - 2010.09.02 12:58:00 -
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so ur an old timer, been away from the game? your bad not ours, war is legit
secondlt lowsec gate guns have the same tracking/damage modifyers, the only differance is that there is only 2 of em not 8 (like on highsec stations/gates) gate guns dont need a boost.
the only thing that needs to happen is that people get a clue.
you should never lose a pod in highsec/lowsec "NEVER"
DD
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Absent Cloaker
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Posted - 2010.09.02 17:18:00 -
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Originally by: Scott McClellan Edited by: Scott McClellan on 31/08/2010 23:43:45 My personal suggestion:
1. Make Wardecs a bidding war, one side can pay to dec, the other side can pay to invalidate. Equal costs (or perhaps less on the defender side). Potential penalty for deccing smaller corps than yours (though this probably wouldn't adversly affect the hisec deccers as their corps are often smaller than the ones they dec, that's fine).
2. Gate guns have not kept pace with ship toughness, they should NOT be tankable. Lowsec PVP is for belts, mission sites, exploration sites, etc. Leave the gate and station games for 0.0, except for those who want to try to snipe >150km at lowsec gates. Lowsec needs a lot more help to get people into it though.
1. I'm inclined to agree with this, wardec is essentially a bribe to concord to look the other way towards agression, why shouldn't the defender be able to pay concord for protection. At this point the corp with the greater amount of resources wins without a fight. I don't think that the amount of ppl in the respective corps should be taken into account. This is how I believe it should go.
Corp A wardecs Corp B Corp B has 24 hrs to outbid Corp A on the wardec, bidding is public like in an auction If Corp A wins the bid, War is declared If Corp B wins the bid, War isn't declared
So essentially larger corps have more resources to fend off wardecs.
Also I believe that a single fee should be available to shoot certain members of a npc corp, but those members are notified and have 24 hrs to prepare just like a wardec. The fee's should increase based on how many you've had in the last week and such. But if the character joins a player corp they need to be wardec'd normally.
2. Sec status and gate guns I have no opinion on.
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Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.09.02 19:00:00 -
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Originally by: Absent Cloaker ...
Completely ridiculous. Wars are good for the Eve economy and should be encouraged. Furthermore, it's ludicrous that even medium sized industrial corps should be effectively immune to war dec'ing.
-Liang -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter Blog
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Absent Cloaker
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Posted - 2010.09.02 20:08:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Absent Cloaker ...
Completely ridiculous. Wars are good for the Eve economy and should be encouraged. Furthermore, it's ludicrous that even medium sized industrial corps should be effectively immune to war dec'ing.
-Liang
I pinned you for having more imagination. Declare a wardec every 24 hours from mulitple corps, if you lose the bid, you don't pay. One corp will eventually get thru and move all pvp toons to that corp. This way you deplete there resources before the wardec starts, pirates will always find a way.
Oh shoot I just gave my plans away
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