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Zyress
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Posted - 2010.08.30 21:20:00 -
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I read a lot of posts about how useless missiles are in pvp. I think Heavy Missiles are really fine, its really the Rockets and Hams that bring them down. Heavies are not that Pvp oriented anyway, other than an ecm boat using them to tack on a little extra damage, if you want to do more than DPS you need to get into basically short range, 24 Km or less. This is where you should be using Hams and Rockets. Hamss aren't really all that bad either, you need to use a target painter with them, or fight Batllecruiser and larger targets, but I can except that. Its rockets that reall p*** me off. A rocket Kestrel should be such a great little pvp boat, but rockets suck, and in a frigate sized hull such as would use rockets, there really isn't room for a target painter, you're pretty much stuck with speed tanking with tackle or speed tanking with a buffer, a target painter gimps either. So Caldari frigates end up being mission boats which they are very good at, but they could be much more. Sorry just a rant I had to get off my chest.
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omgfreemoniez
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Posted - 2010.08.30 22:20:00 -
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Quote: Rocket Launcher II A tiny launcher that can carry a very limited supply of rockets. Not really intended as a primary weapon but rather as a cheap supplementary weapon system.
Working as intended.
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Zyress
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Posted - 2010.08.30 22:55:00 -
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And who uses secondary weapon systems?
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knentil
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Posted - 2010.08.31 01:42:00 -
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Ehhhh, ok, perhaps hes new...
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Suzu Fujibayashi
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Posted - 2010.08.31 14:46:00 -
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Rockets? You called?
[Kestrel, solo Kessie] Damage Control II 200mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I Stasis Webifier II
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Thorn Rocket Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Thorn Rocket Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Thorn Rocket Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Thorn Rocket
Small Warhead Calefaction Catalyst I Small Warhead Flare Catalyst I Small Warhead Flare Catalyst I
And now go out and kill some rifter. Don't forget to apply heat, especially to AB and scram.
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Lugalzagezi666
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Posted - 2010.08.31 15:23:00 -
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Even considering rifter wont mitigate any damage with afterburning - how do you plan to kill it when you have less dps, less buffer, you are slower and he has sar to mitigate around 30 of your dps?
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Borun Tal
Minmatar Broadsword Combat Systems
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Posted - 2010.08.31 16:20:00 -
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Edited by: Borun Tal on 31/08/2010 16:21:49 Can't stand rockets and assaults. Maybe I've never given them a chance, but the DPS just ain't there. And if T1 DPS sucks, why on earth would I train T2 rockets, for a little less suckage?? I just started a new Caldari missile alt, and am using rockets on that ship. Massive suckage. Just sayin'...
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ibbsolon
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Posted - 2010.08.31 21:36:00 -
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Originally by: omgfreemoniez
Quote: Rocket Launcher II A tiny launcher that can carry a very limited supply of rockets. Not really intended as a primary weapon but rather as a cheap supplementary weapon system.
Working as intended.
Why are u always a moron?
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Jeanna Haze
Gallente NC Rape Support Group
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Posted - 2010.08.31 21:43:00 -
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Originally by: omgfreemoniez
Quote: Rocket Launcher II A tiny launcher that can carry a very limited supply of rockets. Not really intended as a primary weapon but rather as a cheap supplementary weapon system.
Working as intended.
He`s one of the biggest trolls that the forum has ever seen.
Rockets are Broke everyone admits it and for some reason CCP are asses about it and wont change it...It has neede to be done for so long that the average Player base in EVE is now beyond Frigs and the are losing there place as DMG Dealers almost completely.
Tacklers yes DMG Dealers no so in reality CCP kind of robbed us of ever having rockets to be useful since Solo PVP has all but come to a halt and when it is solo its Dramiel or Cynabal Cane or Vaga Rockets will never ever have there chance to shine and really never has.
CCP are idiots in this case and I almost think they keep the mbroke just to rebel against us and keep us concentrating on the small problems so we forget they fed the lag monster
Seriously a few changes in the code and bam faster expl velocity and 15% increase in DMG and Bam fixxed the fact they havent shows IMO how m,uch they care about what we think.
Eve/CCP pride itslef in having all its employees real players who actually game but its bad sometimes since a few peeps perspectives can cchange or holdback a entire Game. Im here to Help GangBang Victims as I have hit by as many loads as a Jita Trader. |
Zach Donnell
Ghost-Busters
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Posted - 2010.09.01 03:07:00 -
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Originally by: Jeanna Haze
Originally by: omgfreemoniez
Quote: Rocket Launcher II A tiny launcher that can carry a very limited supply of rockets. Not really intended as a primary weapon but rather as a cheap supplementary weapon system.
Working as intended.
He`s one of the biggest trolls that the forum has ever seen.
Rockets are Broke everyone admits it and for some reason CCP are asses about it and wont change it...It has neede to be done for so long that the average Player base in EVE is now beyond Frigs and the are losing there place as DMG Dealers almost completely.
Tacklers yes DMG Dealers no so in reality CCP kind of robbed us of ever having rockets to be useful since Solo PVP has all but come to a halt and when it is solo its Dramiel or Cynabal Cane or Vaga Rockets will never ever have there chance to shine and really never has.
CCP are idiots in this case and I almost think they keep the mbroke just to rebel against us and keep us concentrating on the small problems so we forget they fed the lag monster
Seriously a few changes in the code and bam faster expl velocity and 15% increase in DMG and Bam fixxed the fact they havent shows IMO how m,uch they care about what we think.
Eve/CCP pride itslef in having all its employees real players who actually game but its bad sometimes since a few peeps perspectives can cchange or holdback a entire Game.
Are rockets weak, relative to other weapon systems? Somewhat, but not useless by anymeans.
It just takes some "different" fits, and experimentation to make them worthwhile. -------------------------------------------------
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Hurtado Soneka
Caldari Maelstrom Crew
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Posted - 2010.09.01 05:35:00 -
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such as what zach? Show some good rocket fits i dare ya!
Rockets are broke, plain and simple, the numbers behind the system are totally ****ed and will take a dedicated patch to fix the problem. CCP are too busy to fix something not very imporant in this game like weapons, as they are doing amazing fun things like Planetary Interations...and walking in stations...
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OT Smithers
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Posted - 2010.09.01 13:48:00 -
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It's not just rockets.
What, exactly, are the Caldari good for or at?
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Mona X
Caldari C0VEN
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Posted - 2010.09.01 14:17:00 -
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Drakeing and falconing,
Join Eve-Online, meet interesting people, grief them. |
SwissChris1
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Posted - 2010.09.01 14:18:00 -
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Originally by: OT Smithers It's not just rockets.
What, exactly, are the Caldari good for or at?
PVE!
I haven't used rockets yet but I am training up for them now (t2)...I think the damage is alright (based solely on EFT) for rockets but the explosion velocity is just a joke compared to standard missiles (and range)
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Suzu Fujibayashi
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Posted - 2010.09.01 15:55:00 -
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Originally by: Lugalzagezi666 Even considering rifter wont mitigate any damage with afterburning - how do you plan to kill it when you have less dps, less buffer, you are slower and he has sar to mitigate around 30 of your dps?
You obviously don't know what you're talking about.
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=7131760
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Roland Deschaines
Black Light Corp
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Posted - 2010.09.01 17:48:00 -
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Edited by: Roland Deschaines on 01/09/2010 17:49:39
Originally by: Suzu Fujibayashi
Originally by: Lugalzagezi666 Even considering rifter wont mitigate any damage with afterburning - how do you plan to kill it when you have less dps, less buffer, you are slower and he has sar to mitigate around 30 of your dps?
You obviously don't know what you're talking about.
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=7131760
MWD RIFTER HAS LOTS OF ROCKET DAMAGE MITIGATION AMIRITE
LINKING A KILLMAIL OF A KESTREL KILING A RIFTER PROVES THAT THE KESTREL CAN EASILY KILL A RIFTER AMIRITE
Let me be more specific btw: He had Barrage loaded so I surmise you were kiting him, or he's an idiot. In the first scenario, GL kiting a decently fit (AB) Rifter. In the second one, doesn't really matter, killing an idiot proves nothing. The importance of this, however, is nothing compared to the necessity of having an indicator that the post has ended and the sig has started. -- Monsieur Rolly |
Suzu Fujibayashi
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Posted - 2010.09.01 18:01:00 -
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Oh damn, that backfired. Well if you had bother to check, that's not the only rifter I killed with a kessie.
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SurrenderMonkey
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Posted - 2010.09.01 18:03:00 -
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Originally by: Suzu Fujibayashi
Originally by: Lugalzagezi666 Even considering rifter wont mitigate any damage with afterburning - how do you plan to kill it when you have less dps, less buffer, you are slower and he has sar to mitigate around 30 of your dps?
You obviously don't know what you're talking about.
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=7131760
*ahem* --------------- Faction-Militia:Player-Alliance::Newbie-corp:Player-corp |
Suzu Fujibayashi
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Posted - 2010.09.01 18:24:00 -
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That's not the fit I posted, because it doesn't work very well.
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Roland Deschaines
Black Light Corp
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Posted - 2010.09.01 20:00:00 -
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Originally by: SurrenderMonkey
Originally by: Suzu Fujibayashi
Originally by: Lugalzagezi666 Even considering rifter wont mitigate any damage with afterburning - how do you plan to kill it when you have less dps, less buffer, you are slower and he has sar to mitigate around 30 of your dps?
You obviously don't know what you're talking about.
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=7131760
*ahem*
An hero <3 The importance of this, however, is nothing compared to the necessity of having an indicator that the post has ended and the sig has started. -- Monsieur Rolly |
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Zyress
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Posted - 2010.09.01 21:05:00 -
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Some boats just seem to be designed to use rockets, particularly assault frigates but the Kessie is a great candidate too. Really any frigate size boat that has to get in web/scrambler range and has missile turrets could benefit from a fix for rockets. If they don't fix rockets they should at least make Light Assault missiles fit in these hulls.
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Lugalzagezi666
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Posted - 2010.09.01 21:09:00 -
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Originally by: Suzu Fujibayashi You obviously don't know what you're talking about.
I know exactly what im talking about. That you killed some incompetent guys with a subpar ship, doesnt change anything about ship itself. And only thing that can win you fight vs competent opponent is very good position to start the fight, because rifter IS faster than kestrel, HAS more dps, HAS more buffer and HAS advantage of armor repairer.
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Suzu Fujibayashi
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Posted - 2010.09.01 21:48:00 -
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Meh. Think what you want. I have fun flying a kessie. And I kill stuff. So it can't be that bad.
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Zach Donnell
Ghost-Busters
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Posted - 2010.09.01 22:06:00 -
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Originally by: Hurtado Soneka such as what zach? Show some good rocket fits i dare ya!
Rockets are broke, plain and simple, the numbers behind the system are totally ****ed and will take a dedicated patch to fix the problem. CCP are too busy to fix something not very imporant in this game like weapons, as they are doing amazing fun things like Planetary Interations...and walking in stations...
All these encounters I was fit with a pure rocket based fits.
http://gbust.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=7440770 http://gbust.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=7440545 http://gbust.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=7432693 http://gbust.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=7416074 http://gbust.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=7407222
If you are really desperate you can look at my losses for the fits, but come on... this stuff isn't that hard guys.
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Barrak
Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2010.09.02 06:52:00 -
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Are Rockets working as intended...........who knows. Are they broken..... you need to know the above to answer that. Do they take advantage of the missile skills ........ no, not really. Are they as weak as most make out............ no.
If you set up correctly then you can still take advantage of these weapons. They are common fits on Caldari ships and Caldari ships 'tend' to be mid slot heavy. When you use this additional midslot for either 1 web over a common zero web fit or when you use 2 webs over a common 1 web fit, this is when you see Rockets start to work.
You just need to pair these up with what makes them work. The BCS do not really make much difference to these weapons, but a Web really does. In addition to this, most Caldari ships will also take advantage of additional webs also.... so you get a nice double whammy.
I agree that they do tend to be weaker on ships that can not support their usage so well. But, in reality, Caldari pilots shouln't have to much of an issue with these things (nor most web & scram fitted Frigates).
Barrak In this life (Eve) dying is easy, its living thats hard.
Talent does not count, its what you do with it that does |
Portmanteau
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Posted - 2010.09.02 07:05:00 -
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Originally by: OT Smithers It's not just rockets.
What, exactly, are the Caldari good for or at?
This **** just gets on my ****, drake, falcon, moa, merlin, blarpy, caracal , tengu, griffin, kitsune, rook, blackbird, rokh, scorpion, basilisk even the ferox are all perfectly good pvp ships in the right hands, ur just **** at this game is all
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CCP Jericho
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Posted - 2010.09.02 07:37:00 -
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Inappropriate post removed.
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OT Smithers
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Posted - 2010.09.02 16:34:00 -
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Originally by: Portmanteau
Originally by: OT Smithers It's not just rockets.
What, exactly, are the Caldari good for or at?
This **** just gets on my ****, drake, falcon, moa, merlin, blarpy, caracal , tengu, griffin, kitsune, rook, blackbird, rokh, scorpion, basilisk even the ferox are all perfectly good pvp ships in the right hands, ur just **** at this game is all
Worst 3 weapons, slowest ships, worst drone capability, shield tanks... what's not to love! Right? lol
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Portmanteau
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Posted - 2010.09.02 20:11:00 -
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Edited by: Portmanteau on 02/09/2010 20:13:04
Originally by: OT Smithers
Worst 3 weapons, slowest ships, worst drone capability, shield tanks... what's not to love! Right? lol
Funny how thousands of other players manage just fine with Caldari, you apparently either don't have enough of a brain to stop listening to silly Eve memes and try for yourself or you are just terribad at this game. You should probably just quit TBH.
EDIT, and just WTF ? is wrong with shield tanks ? that one isn't even a common whine, if anything, shield tanks are quite FOTM right now, you really haven't a clue have you ?
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Zyress
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Posted - 2010.09.02 20:33:00 -
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I got to admit I'm a little confused about the disparaging comments on shield tanks, there must be a reason people don't primary a Drake if anything else is available.
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