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Tatyana3033
Kitagawa Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.07.27 16:53:00 -
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So I've been playing eve for a few months now after a long break. A lot of things seem familiar but afew have changed. No big deal really. The big problem I'm having is that my skill sets don't seem to enable me to do all the things I'd like to.
I'm struggling to finish level 3 missions in a battle cruiser while a friend of mine is already doing level 4 missions after a shorter time. I'm having a hard time making isk while others are making millions and buying more and more awesome ships.
I'm starting to feel that the way to play eve is to not play at all but just train skills until they all reach level 5? Finding it had to figure out what to do here to progress in the game. |
gfldex
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Posted - 2012.07.27 17:20:00 -
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Tatyana3033 wrote: I'm struggling to finish level 3 missions in a battle cruiser while a friend of mine is already doing level 4 missions after a shorter time.
Is a contradiction to:
Tatyana3033 wrote: I'm starting to feel that the way to play eve is to not play at all but just train skills until they all reach level 5?
When someone burns down your sandcastle, bring sausages. |
Tatyana3033
Kitagawa Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.07.27 17:23:00 -
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Read what I said a few times more.. |
Traejun DiSanctis
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.07.27 17:26:00 -
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There are plenty of people out there that do exactly what you are suggesting: buy a 6 month or year sub, log on only to update training queue, and then buy PLEX for ships/mods when you hit ~10-15m SP.
That fine if that's the way you want to play. Totally up to you.
If you want good advice, it's simple: Play. The. *******. Game. You will learn as you play. By the time you reach the above skill plateau, you'll be prepared to fly the ships you want to fly. In the interim, you'll learn the basics about the game.
This is not WoW or SWToR. This is a complex, involved game. The skill gap is enormous, but the skill/knowledge curve is even bigger. Only way to close that gap is to play. |
Pinstar Colton
Sweet Asteroid Acres
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Posted - 2012.07.27 17:28:00 -
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Getting Trade to V will not instantly make you millions on the market. Getting Battleship to V will not make you a PVP god Getting Production Efficiency V will not make you a market-moving industrial powerhouse.
They are merely tools. How much you benefit from them is entirely up to you. While it is true that training up to get some of the more focused and specialized tools takes awhile... they won't take the place of actual in-game skill, regardless of what it is you want to do.
In the cat-and-mouse game that is low sec, there is no shame in learning to be a better mouse. |
Rinnve Elennean
Carebear Explorations LTD
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Posted - 2012.07.27 17:31:00 -
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Please post more info so we can probably see what's wrong. Like, what BC are you flying and what fit.
For now, I can assure you that you absolutely do not all-5 skills for being successfull both in PVE and PVP (that means you can do something useful, not that you can 1-on-1 attack much older character and win, although even this can be possible under certain circumstances). |
Tatyana3033
Kitagawa Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.07.27 17:32:00 -
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True, but is there any way to enjoy that game while still at low level? I thought of doing the level 2 missions again or moving onto some thing such as research missions, until I'm able to do the level 3 missions. Also are there any skills which make the level 3 missions a lot easier? I know it can't be the ships because they are recommended by other people:-
Harbinger Prophecy
The problem I have is that when I fly in I get hit by 6 ships firing heavy missiles and I'm not able to destroy enough of them before they destroy my armour. |
Equus
Royal Order of Security Specialists Late Night Alliance
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Posted - 2012.07.27 17:47:00 -
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Tatyana3033 wrote:So I've been playing eve for a few months now after a long break. A lot of things seem familiar but afew have changed. No big deal really. The big problem I'm having is that my skill sets don't seem to enable me to do all the things I'd like to.
I'm struggling to finish level 3 missions in a battle cruiser while a friend of mine is already doing level 4 missions after a shorter time. I'm having a hard time making isk while others are making millions and buying more and more awesome ships.
I'm starting to feel that the way to play eve is to not play at all but just train skills until they all reach level 5? Finding it had to figure out what to do here to progress in the game.
Too many people fall into this trap, I am guilty of it myself. Don't play the game just to make isk, yes isk is needed for shinies, but there is always a balance.
If your friend is running level 4's in a shorter time and you are still having issues with level 3's, talk to them, find out what they trained that maybe you missed that would make things easier on you. Remember things that while fitting and support skills are important you need to be able to kill stuff as well. So making sure you are getting say your turrret support skills such as motion prediction and sharpshooter up to level 3-4.
The main thing is patience, play to have fun, if you treat the game as a treadmill you will burn out quickly.
PS If you are having issues with your missions, post your fit, maybe we can help get it cleaned up, or even use something like EveBoard to post your skills and ask for advice an what direction you can look at heading. Something as simple as optimizing your ship fit can have a huge impact on missions. |
Tatyana3033
Kitagawa Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.07.27 17:54:00 -
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Hi I tried eveboard its awesome :) Heres the skills I have currently:
http://eveboard.com/pilot/Tatyana3033 |
Equus
Royal Order of Security Specialists Late Night Alliance
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Posted - 2012.07.27 18:29:00 -
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I am no guru, but a couple things that could help, look at getting Trajectory Analysis in Gunnery, this should help your damage projection, surgical strike is good too. Also get your base gun skill to 4, so for BC's Medium Energy Weapons to 4.
Since I am assuming you use drones, get Drone Interfacing and train it up to 4, it is a significant damage boost.
Battlecruisers 4 should be on your list as well if that is what you want to fly.
Getting those skills up should not take very long, maybe a week and a bit? (not taking them to 5). Then go back and start shoring up your fitting and support skills, especially your capacitor skills if you are flying Amarr. One those skills are up to 4-5 then go back and start looking at your combat skills again, getting them up for t2, or move onto battleships and train up Large Energy Weapon. I do not recommend going into a battleship until you have better skills though, they cost a good chunk of change as a beginner, and if you can't/don't know how to fit it, you will lose it.
That is what I would do anyway, you should also post your fit if you have it handy. |
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Zoe Athame
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.27 18:39:00 -
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You're currently training Caldari Frigate which won't help you do missions any faster. You need T2 guns and gunnery support skills. |
Xercodo
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam
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Posted - 2012.07.27 18:53:00 -
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Might we also see what your ship fitting is? The Drake is a Lie |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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Posted - 2012.07.27 18:56:00 -
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Don't go for L5s unless you need them for something (equipment or another skill)
Eve is heavily based on the idea of diminishing returns. It's better to pick up a different level 1 skill giving a 5% bonus, than level 5 in a skill which gives the same bonus. Because you'll end up with 126%. They don't just add together. They multiply. And it'll take a /fraction/ of the time. FuzzWork Enterprises http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Blueprint calculator, invention chance calculator, isk/m3 Ore chart-á and other 'useful' utilities. |
Tatyana3033
Kitagawa Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.07.27 19:05:00 -
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Heres the load out I've been trying.
http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/62100-Prophecy-cheap-PVE.html |
Oona Kasenumi
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.07.27 19:35:00 -
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I will leave it to Amarr pilots to comment on your fit, but in which faction space are you running missions? Amarr shoot EM/Therm, so if you are running missions against, for example, Serpentis you may be having a hard time because you are dealing the wrong damage type.
Eve Damage types
If your are using lasers you want to be running missions in Amarr space, so you can shoot at Blood/Sansha most, if not all of the time.
As far as the skill gap goes; the best way to play eve is to find a great corp. Eve is a social game, and there is a reason it is very hard to do anything by yourself. If you are in a corp with a group of people who are super worried about isk/hour to the point they won't let you tag along on their level 4s, your in a bad corp, in my opinion. Those are the type of people you will get burnt out playing with. |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
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Posted - 2012.07.27 20:25:00 -
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Get a Harbinger. The Prophecy is not know for it's damage dealing abilities. The more damage your can deal at a longer range, the less you'll need to actually use your tank.
Also... never stop moving (or let webs grab you for too long). Moving around mitigates some of the incoming damage. Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective. |
Celeste Taylor
Ruby Dynasty
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Posted - 2012.07.27 20:30:00 -
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I spent most of my first month trading in stations which proved to be very lucrative and doing simple high sec distribution missions until level 4 missions were unlocked. I enjoy trading and am less than a week away in training from having a Viator with level 4 cloaking!
Once I hit level 4 missions one of my distribution storyline agents offered me the Shipyard Theft mission, and considering the mining foreman mindlink reward easily sells in Jita for 1,000,000,000 ISK I clicked accept before noticing it was a combat mission.
So I bought a expensive ship and loaded it with gear and managed to finish the mission with only a few minutes left for the bonus ISK. While combat is really not my sort of thing I will do it for a billion ISK. Until then my Navy Battleships (which I have minimum skills to pilot) will remain in the garage with the rest of my collection.
I am now hitting two months and while my combat skills I did this mission again with a slightly better fit which took me a bit less time than it did my first time. People say that a Navy Dominix works on this mission better than the Navy Megathron, but considering I have barely any drone skills I took the Megthron. I have no idea how the Shipyard Theft mission compares in difficulty or rewards to any other level 2-4 security missions, but it can be done solo after about a month if you have a decent fitting and a few hours to spare. I would imagine it would be even easier if you focus on combat skills, since I am mainly social trade skill based. |
gfldex
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Posted - 2012.07.27 21:05:00 -
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Oona Kasenumi wrote:I will leave it to Amarr pilots to comment on your fit
Pure tank in a Proph is not going to do any damage. Esp. with such low gunnery skills. The OP tries to avoid skilling skill to lvl4, that wont work. Quite frankly, the OP would do better in lvl2 missions with those skills. A drake with 3.8MSP (well focused ofc) got no problem. Amarr need a little more SP to make lvl3s easy.
When someone burns down your sandcastle, bring sausages. |
Celeste Taylor
Ruby Dynasty
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Posted - 2012.07.27 21:50:00 -
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I just compared our skill sets on Eve Board, and you have more a good amount more SP than me, so you should be able to do level 4s with a better fitting. Maybe save some money and spring for a Navy version. Get a small loan from your friend or team up. Also focusing your skills on combat, get your navigation up, at least past your industry SP total.
Like I mentioned above I am not very versed on combat missions, but Shipyard Theft gave me 6 hours to complete, so I took my time. I went back to stations to recharge my shields, made sure that my damage never made it to the hull, took a few trade breaks, etc. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
886
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Posted - 2012.07.28 02:55:00 -
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For what it is worth, I was doing level 4 missions in a battlecruiser (drake) with level 2-3 ship and weapon skills, and level 4 defensive skills.
I then moved into a battleship (raven) and lost it the next day, because of my inexperience, not lack of skill. I made a really stupid mistake.
Learned a lot from that loss though (never lost the replacement raven). Years passed before I lost another ship in PvE (lost a navy raven when I got disconnected).
Use what skills you have now. Train skills to help you do better now, not in a year. If you are not having fun now, you are doing it wrong. |
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Rinnve Elennean
Carebear Explorations LTD
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Posted - 2012.07.28 05:59:00 -
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1. I don't see Gallente drone specialisation in your skills, meaning that you are not able to operate T2 Hobgoblins and Hammerheads. Train it ASAP, Amarr drones (except for sentries) are total crap. Train Minmatar drones too, those are better than Gallente ones against Angel ships (and are the best for PVP due to speed).
2. If you are into misssions, DONT train battlecruisers, focus on battleships. Starting from Amarr Battleships 3 and Large Energy Weapons 3, you can start to try lvl4 missions. As for now, your skills look fine for lvl 3 missions, so any problems you are experiensing are because of wrong ship fitting or wrong tactics. For example, this Prophecy fit you've posted, it's just horrible. Low-dps mission running ship must be cap stable! Try this Harbinger, I've used similar fit quite successfully (hardeners are for Sansha damage profile, replace them according to mission description).
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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium
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Posted - 2012.07.28 08:23:00 -
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You could also train into an Oracle and accompany your friend on L4 missions. Your aim will be to blow things up quickly, while your friend gets all the aggro. Get into a Harbinger first, train up to T2 medium beam lasers, get your armour tanking skills up to being able to use a T2 Medium Armor Repairer, and then train to large beam lasers so you can jump into the Oracle with Mega Pulse Lasers and Multifrequency / Scorch ammo.
If you want to run missions solo, stick to the Harbinger until you are able to use T2 medium beams, T2 armour tank and 5 x T2 light drones. Then move into an Abaddon, which has a resistance bonus that will help you survive missions longer, or an Armageddon which will deal out more damage (thus making the mission last shorter so you don't have to survive so long).
Mission completion is about having just enough tank to get through to the end of the mission without your ship blowing up. Focus on DPS, since ships that you blow up will not be dealing damage to you.
Above all else though, see if your friend will take you on missions with them. Two people blowing stuff up together will have more fun and your friend might be able to teach you some mission-running tricks that you don't already know.
Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
Luis Graca
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Posted - 2012.07.28 11:24:00 -
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Try these site to help on missions THE SITE
Also don't forget laser on give EM and a little THERMAL damage so if it isn't against sansha or drones it's going to be a pain in the ass
Note: i think it's sanshas and drones but you can confirm it on the site i just gave you |
Diana Kim
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
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Posted - 2012.07.28 11:33:00 -
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You don't need best skills to earn good money. But you will need them to earn best money :)
About training L5 skills, if you are using amarr bc with pulse lasers, only L5s you need are those, that will give you t2 pulses, because they are significant upgrade over t1 or faction guns. t2 pulses for amarr pilot is everything. Because of scorch.
Another L5 skill you would like to get, is a Drone Interfacing, the most 'cheating' damage-related skill in eve.
Leave other skills at levels, required for fitting t2 (or good meta4) modules.
If you have troubles with amarr ships, try caldari missile line, they are easy to handle and don't need any skills besides fitting, allowing you to get into L4 missions very quickly (caracal->drake->raven), and switch back to amarr when you get good gunnery and capacitor skills. |
Mallak Azaria
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Posted - 2012.07.28 12:02:00 -
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If you specialise your training plans, you'll be able to do individual things faster than if you try to train up multiple paths at once. This pretty much sums it up. Mining Barge buff: CCP-áhas acknowledged that miners in general-áare too stupid to make the correct fitting choices to make ganking them unprofitable. |
Vince Arron
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.07.28 14:38:00 -
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Tatyana3033 wrote:True, but is there any way to enjoy that game while still at low level? I thought of doing the level 2 missions again or moving onto some thing such as research missions, until I'm able to do the level 3 missions. Also are there any skills which make the level 3 missions a lot easier? I know it can't be the ships because they are recommended by other people:- Harbinger Prophecy The problem I have is that when I fly in I get hit by 6 ships firing heavy missiles and I'm not able to destroy enough of them before they destroy my armour. Another missions I tried is to fly and attack the Gallente ambassador. He is say between about 10 minmitar ships and 10 Gallente ships which open fire on approach. I'm fitting a t2 armour rep and some mission specific hardeners and still I can't tank all these ships. Pulse lasers only have a range of around 20 meters max and beam lasers 35. So other than my skill level I can't see why I can't tank these ships
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Never mind im stupid didnt see you already posted fit
You need heat sinks. Heat sinks = more DPS = not having to tank a long time, try for at least 3 heat sinks
Also remove the explosive rig and fit a nano pump.
Also google eve survival and see what ships are "triggers" kill them last so you wont have 2 waves of ships on you. you can also try fitting a nos on the remaining high slot or a gun im not sure how many guns it has. |
Tatyana3033
Kitagawa Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.07.28 22:42:00 -
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Vince Arron wrote:[quote=Tatyana3033] Also you are talking about how the skill gap is so unfair...but you have almost 500000 skill points in industry none of those points will help you do level 3 missions, if you had invested them into your tank or guns you would be flying by level 4's right now
Yeah, well I joined a mining corp and they kept on saying how awesome the 'Hulk' was. Then I got bored and tired of noob pirates stealing loot so went back to doing missions again, thus switching careers. I was doing faction warfare a few years ago. Holy Emperor knows why I became a miner! Maybe the thought of being an eve industrialist was some thing that cheeped into my mind. |
Tatyana3033
Kitagawa Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.07.28 22:45:00 -
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Thanks for the good info from the other people here. I got a few fittings from my friend and seems she is fitting a lot more t2 stuff than me. So I might work on getting skills upto 4 then train for some nice t2 guns and drones :) |
Eija-Riitta Veitonen
Unicorn Enterprise
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Posted - 2012.07.28 22:55:00 -
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Tatyana3033 wrote:Thanks for the good info from the other people here. I got a few fittings from my friend and seems she is fitting a lot more t2 stuff than me. So I might work on getting skills upto 4 then train for some nice t2 guns and drones :) T2 guns require a bit more than just a few level 4 skills. I'd suggest training up armor tanking and capacitor management skills first, drones and support gunnery skills second and only then focusing on the bigger ships/better guns. For level 2s i'd recommend training up those drone skills and trying the Arbitrator drone-carrier cruiser. Just kite and speed-tank your enemies while your drones tear them to shreds. BCs (like the mentioned prophecy and harbinger) are more useful for level 3 missions. If you're up for the challenge, you may want to try out the assault frigates - tech2 variety of combat frigates, those are tough nuts and can easily handle level 1 and 2 missions, and with proper skills can tackle even level 3 ones. Definitely a worthy ship to have, considering you have at least some form of income to get one (one AF with fit is in the price range of a BC, only you won't get as much insurance in case you lose any). |
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