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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
126
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Posted - 2012.07.28 09:19:00 -
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Xython wrote:Except to compete with the Bot Miners, you have to either:
1. Bot Mine 2. Play like a Bot.
And rather than disrupt this cycle in any way, CCP is pandering to the bots. Again.
As for the "Nullsec alliances don't use bots" claptrap, here's the important difference between Nullsec and Highsec Botters:
When a Nullsec idiot is botting, he's shot. Often by blues. Because he's botting and AFK, he's easy pickings. His **** is taken from him, sold or used elsewhere, and when he comes back to the keyboard he's either the subject of mockery or outright kicked from the corp he's in.
When a Highsec idiot is botting, a magical super-ship police force shows up to protect him. Now, the community can still deal with these idiots, but only at a large investment of time and ships -- and the ships have to be replaced, which directly supports the ecosystem that causes the botters in the first place.
Oh, and did I mention that CCP seem to be hell bent on making this magical super-ship police force stronger, and making the bots even harder to kill? Why? Because the botters pay for 23+ accounts and they're worth more than us.
How much your ratting bots make per hour? 1b?
http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=9129
Deal with it. |
Patrakele
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
68
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Posted - 2012.07.28 09:20:00 -
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Tears, they make me stronger. |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
1015
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Posted - 2012.07.28 09:25:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:How much your ratting bots make per hour? 1b?
Deal with it.
Goonswarm has no ratting bots. Sorry, but we don't. We don't even allow people to talk about stuff that's against the EULA. If you think otherwise, you can report any bot in game by a simple right click, I welcome you to do so, so I can laugh at you.
And even if you were doing ratting in nullsec at the absolute most absurd rate, you wouldn't hit 1b per hour. That's 334 million per tick. That's about 280m more a tick than I've ever seen someone hit, even the most obsessed PVErs around me with capital ship support.
Get a goddamned clue. When you say stupid **** like that you are just showing off that you have no, absolutely no clue what you're talking about. |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
126
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Posted - 2012.07.28 09:35:00 -
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Xython wrote:Goonswarm has no ratting bots. Sorry, but we don't. We don't even allow people to talk about stuff that's against the EULA. If you think otherwise, you can report any bot in game by a simple right click, I welcome you to do so, so I can laugh at you.
And even if you were doing ratting in nullsec at the absolute most absurd rate, you wouldn't hit 1b per hour. That's 334 million per tick. That's about 280m more a tick than I've ever seen someone hit, even the most obsessed PVErs around me with capital ship support.
Get a goddamned clue. When you say stupid **** like that you are just showing off that you have no, absolutely no clue what you're talking about.
According to stats on SiSi untanked Hulk has ~9500 EHP. It's still possible to gank in hisec. |
Lipbite
Express Hauler
156
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Posted - 2012.07.28 09:45:00 -
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While everyone allowed to demand whatever they want - I want t2 logisitcs frigates. |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
126
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Posted - 2012.07.28 09:54:00 -
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Lipbite wrote:While everyone allowed to demand whatever they want - I want t2 logisitcs frigates.
http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=9129 |
Random Celestial
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2012.07.28 09:56:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Xython wrote:Goonswarm has no ratting bots. Sorry, but we don't. We don't even allow people to talk about stuff that's against the EULA. If you think otherwise, you can report any bot in game by a simple right click, I welcome you to do so, so I can laugh at you.
And even if you were doing ratting in nullsec at the absolute most absurd rate, you wouldn't hit 1b per hour. That's 334 million per tick. That's about 280m more a tick than I've ever seen someone hit, even the most obsessed PVErs around me with capital ship support.
Get a goddamned clue. When you say stupid **** like that you are just showing off that you have no, absolutely no clue what you're talking about. According to stats on SiSi untanked Hulk has ~9500 EHP. It's still possible to gank in hisec. Fyi, brick tanked Damnation and Proteus can be ganked in hisec too. You just need to bring more dps. EVE is MMO after all. Deal with it.
Brick-tanked Procurer costs ~15 mil or so tops.
Brick-tanked Damnation is ~200-300mil.
See the problem? |
Dave stark
Bombardier Inc
303
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Posted - 2012.07.28 10:02:00 -
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Random Celestial wrote:Jorma Morkkis wrote:Xython wrote:Goonswarm has no ratting bots. Sorry, but we don't. We don't even allow people to talk about stuff that's against the EULA. If you think otherwise, you can report any bot in game by a simple right click, I welcome you to do so, so I can laugh at you.
And even if you were doing ratting in nullsec at the absolute most absurd rate, you wouldn't hit 1b per hour. That's 334 million per tick. That's about 280m more a tick than I've ever seen someone hit, even the most obsessed PVErs around me with capital ship support.
Get a goddamned clue. When you say stupid **** like that you are just showing off that you have no, absolutely no clue what you're talking about. According to stats on SiSi untanked Hulk has ~9500 EHP. It's still possible to gank in hisec. Fyi, brick tanked Damnation and Proteus can be ganked in hisec too. You just need to bring more dps. EVE is MMO after all. Deal with it. Brick-tanked Procurer costs ~15 mil or so tops. Brick-tanked Damnation is ~200-300mil. See the problem?
yeah, tech prices are ******* insane. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |
Manar Detri
28
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Posted - 2012.07.28 10:10:00 -
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Random Celestial wrote:Jorma Morkkis wrote:Xython wrote:Goonswarm has no ratting bots. Sorry, but we don't. We don't even allow people to talk about stuff that's against the EULA. If you think otherwise, you can report any bot in game by a simple right click, I welcome you to do so, so I can laugh at you.
And even if you were doing ratting in nullsec at the absolute most absurd rate, you wouldn't hit 1b per hour. That's 334 million per tick. That's about 280m more a tick than I've ever seen someone hit, even the most obsessed PVErs around me with capital ship support.
Get a goddamned clue. When you say stupid **** like that you are just showing off that you have no, absolutely no clue what you're talking about. According to stats on SiSi untanked Hulk has ~9500 EHP. It's still possible to gank in hisec. Fyi, brick tanked Damnation and Proteus can be ganked in hisec too. You just need to bring more dps. EVE is MMO after all. Deal with it. Brick-tanked Procurer costs ~15 mil or so tops. Brick-tanked Damnation is ~200-300mil. See the problem?
So lemme get this straight. It is wrong that a procurer can get 70kehp while costing 15 mil and a damnation only gets only 260kehp for 215 mil.
But it's ok that a 3x 10 mil catalyst can gank a 300 mil well tanked hulk?:P
So whats your take on the augoror which costs 4 mill but gets overe 60k ehp? |
Random Celestial
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2012.07.28 10:11:00 -
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Manar Detri wrote:Random Celestial wrote:Jorma Morkkis wrote:Xython wrote:Goonswarm has no ratting bots. Sorry, but we don't. We don't even allow people to talk about stuff that's against the EULA. If you think otherwise, you can report any bot in game by a simple right click, I welcome you to do so, so I can laugh at you.
And even if you were doing ratting in nullsec at the absolute most absurd rate, you wouldn't hit 1b per hour. That's 334 million per tick. That's about 280m more a tick than I've ever seen someone hit, even the most obsessed PVErs around me with capital ship support.
Get a goddamned clue. When you say stupid **** like that you are just showing off that you have no, absolutely no clue what you're talking about. According to stats on SiSi untanked Hulk has ~9500 EHP. It's still possible to gank in hisec. Fyi, brick tanked Damnation and Proteus can be ganked in hisec too. You just need to bring more dps. EVE is MMO after all. Deal with it. Brick-tanked Procurer costs ~15 mil or so tops. Brick-tanked Damnation is ~200-300mil. See the problem? So lemme get this straight. It is wrong that a procurer can get 70kehp while costing 15 mil and a damnation only gets only 260kehp for 215 mil. But it's ok that a 3x 10 mil catalyst can gank a 300 mil well tanked hulk?:P
the ehp/isk ratio is way off. |
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Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS
24
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Posted - 2012.07.28 10:13:00 -
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just skill up your char get a friend or 2 and there u go u can gank whatever u want. It was just too easy atm to grief miners. |
Manar Detri
28
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Posted - 2012.07.28 10:13:00 -
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Random Celestial wrote:
the ehp/isk ratio is way off.
So lets rebalance allships aroud the costs shall we? The tank, dps and velocitys will for now on be bought with isk. If you want some extra you can use some aurums to buff it up abit more. |
Irya Boone
Escadron leader La League des mondes libres
25
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Posted - 2012.07.28 10:31:00 -
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like the old man said
No cry !! |
Random Celestial
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2012.07.28 10:38:00 -
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Manar Detri wrote:Random Celestial wrote:
the ehp/isk ratio is way off.
So lets rebalance allships aroud the costs shall we? The tank, dps and velocitys will for now on be bought with isk. If you want some extra you can use some aurums to buff it up abit more.
Variation is good, but extreme outliers as what are being created now only come from an extreme lack of consideration for balance.
Wait until it goes live, if it does, and I am certain this will be made abundantly clear.
I'm just saying that it would nice if the DEVs looked at production requirements when making vast changes to ships. |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
126
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Posted - 2012.07.28 10:42:00 -
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Random Celestial wrote:Variation is good, but extreme outliers as what are being created now only come from an extreme lack of consideration for balance.
Wait until it goes live, if it does, and I am certain this will be made abundantly clear.
I'm just saying that it would nice if the DEVs looked at production requirements when making vast changes to ships.
And again...
If you want to gank Retrievers and Macks after the patch get friends. EVE is a MMO game. |
Dave stark
Bombardier Inc
303
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Posted - 2012.07.28 10:44:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Random Celestial wrote:Variation is good, but extreme outliers as what are being created now only come from an extreme lack of consideration for balance.
Wait until it goes live, if it does, and I am certain this will be made abundantly clear.
I'm just saying that it would nice if the DEVs looked at production requirements when making vast changes to ships. And again... If you want to gank Retrievers and Macks after the patch get friends. EVE is a MMO game.
or bring a bigger ship. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1724
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Posted - 2012.07.28 10:45:00 -
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Manar Detri
28
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Posted - 2012.07.28 10:45:00 -
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Random Celestial wrote:Manar Detri wrote:Random Celestial wrote:
the ehp/isk ratio is way off.
So lets rebalance allships aroud the costs shall we? The tank, dps and velocitys will for now on be bought with isk. If you want some extra you can use some aurums to buff it up abit more. Variation is good, but extreme outliers as what are being created now only come from an extreme lack of consideration for balance. Wait until it goes live, if it does, and I am certain this will be made abundantly clear. I'm just saying that it would nice if the DEVs looked at production requirements when making vast changes to ships. I completely agree in making all mining barges around same cost and same with exhumers. This ofcourse also to be added for frigates, cruisers and soforth as the tiericide goes on. The problem of new players gaining access to ships after increased costs would be easily tackled by having tutorial missions award one t1 cruiser, one t1 frigate and one t1 mining barge/mining frigate. Those missions would ofcourse be later on in the tutorials for the cruisers and mining barge. This would give new playeres easy access to see what those ships are before having abundance of resources to pour in them. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1724
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Posted - 2012.07.28 10:49:00 -
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Xython wrote: As for the "Nullsec alliances don't use bots" claptrap, here's the important difference between Nullsec and Highsec Botters:
When a Nullsec idiot is botting, he's shot. Often by blues. Because he's botting and AFK, he's easy pickings. His **** is taken from him, sold or used elsewhere, and when he comes back to the keyboard he's either the subject of mockery or outright kicked from the corp he's in.
When a nullsec idiot is botting, he's in a blued renter alliance where everybody know about him and pretend to look the other side. All the land owners care about are the billions they can monthly charge to close 1, 2 and even 3 eyes.
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Kyra Yaken
State War Academy Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2012.07.28 13:11:00 -
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http://www.blogcdn.com/massively.joystiq.com/media/2009/06/theonionjohnsonandjohnsonspoofat580.jpg
CCP delivered that stuff to elite pvp gankers |
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Mallak Azaria
412
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Posted - 2012.07.28 13:12:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Xython wrote: As for the "Nullsec alliances don't use bots" claptrap, here's the important difference between Nullsec and Highsec Botters:
When a Nullsec idiot is botting, he's shot. Often by blues. Because he's botting and AFK, he's easy pickings. His **** is taken from him, sold or used elsewhere, and when he comes back to the keyboard he's either the subject of mockery or outright kicked from the corp he's in.
When a nullsec idiot is botting, he's in a blued renter alliance where everybody know about him and pretend to look the other side. All the land owners care about are the billions they can monthly charge to close 1, 2 and even 3 eyes.
I don't know what alliances you've been in that have looked the other way at botters, but the ones I've joined over the years encourage everyone to repeatedly kill them before they're kicked. Mining Barge buff: CCP-áhas acknowledged that miners in general-áare too stupid to make the correct fitting choices to make ganking them unprofitable. |
Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din
897
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Posted - 2012.07.28 13:14:00 -
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Your post is, quite simply, the most idiotic I have seen to do with these changes.
Combat ships are already statted in such a way as to favour certain ways of flying. This is simply the same thing but for miners. Jerk. Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
EvEa Deva
State War Academy Caldari State
56
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Posted - 2012.07.28 13:29:00 -
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Your tears make the grass grow, your emo rage cuts the grass, perfect balance, good job CCP
Silly miners everyone super tanks every ship they fly..... all tank, no gank thats the eve way |
The D1ngo
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
31
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Posted - 2012.07.28 13:37:00 -
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Rico Minali wrote:Your post is, quite simply, the most idiotic I have seen to do with these changes.
Combat ships are already statted in such a way as to favour certain ways of flying. This is simply the same thing but for miners. Jerk.
I like the way you think!
+1 |
The D1ngo
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
31
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Posted - 2012.07.28 13:41:00 -
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Random Celestial wrote:Jorma Morkkis wrote:Xython wrote:Goonswarm has no ratting bots. Sorry, but we don't. We don't even allow people to talk about stuff that's against the EULA. If you think otherwise, you can report any bot in game by a simple right click, I welcome you to do so, so I can laugh at you.
And even if you were doing ratting in nullsec at the absolute most absurd rate, you wouldn't hit 1b per hour. That's 334 million per tick. That's about 280m more a tick than I've ever seen someone hit, even the most obsessed PVErs around me with capital ship support.
Get a goddamned clue. When you say stupid **** like that you are just showing off that you have no, absolutely no clue what you're talking about. According to stats on SiSi untanked Hulk has ~9500 EHP. It's still possible to gank in hisec. Fyi, brick tanked Damnation and Proteus can be ganked in hisec too. You just need to bring more dps. EVE is MMO after all. Deal with it. Brick-tanked Procurer costs ~15 mil or so tops. Brick-tanked Damnation is ~200-300mil. See the problem?
Oh, its a cost issue? Then what do you say to the miners that take exception to having their 200 mil. ship destroyed by a destroyer worth 2 mil? Weak argument is weak... |
sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
257
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Posted - 2012.07.28 15:27:00 -
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The D1ngo wrote:Random Celestial wrote:Jorma Morkkis wrote:Xython wrote:Goonswarm has no ratting bots. Sorry, but we don't. We don't even allow people to talk about stuff that's against the EULA. If you think otherwise, you can report any bot in game by a simple right click, I welcome you to do so, so I can laugh at you.
And even if you were doing ratting in nullsec at the absolute most absurd rate, you wouldn't hit 1b per hour. That's 334 million per tick. That's about 280m more a tick than I've ever seen someone hit, even the most obsessed PVErs around me with capital ship support.
Get a goddamned clue. When you say stupid **** like that you are just showing off that you have no, absolutely no clue what you're talking about. According to stats on SiSi untanked Hulk has ~9500 EHP. It's still possible to gank in hisec. Fyi, brick tanked Damnation and Proteus can be ganked in hisec too. You just need to bring more dps. EVE is MMO after all. Deal with it. Brick-tanked Procurer costs ~15 mil or so tops. Brick-tanked Damnation is ~200-300mil. See the problem? Oh, its a cost issue? Then what do you say to the miners that take exception to having their 200 mil. ship destroyed by a destroyer worth 2 mil? Weak argument is weak...
Your hulk can be killed by 2mil ship? It takes 3 Nados to kill mine, and that's if I don't start moving. they all do 9k damage each, and I'm unlucky.
Edit, I also get 1.8m3 x3 per cycle, per ship |
marVLs
27
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Posted - 2012.07.28 15:45:00 -
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Why should miners fit thier ships for max EHP? Everyone fit ships for maximum of it's role, so mining barges and exhumers should be fitted for max yield. Do You fit Your PVP ship with max cargo because you will take loot from wrecks? So STFU already, pathetic gankers cry because they can't kill defenseless, not moving targets in HS... Why, why so many id...s in such a brilliant game? |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
1019
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Posted - 2012.07.28 16:11:00 -
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marVLs wrote:Why should miners fit thier ships for max EHP? Everyone fit ships for maximum of it's role, so mining barges and exhumers should be fitted for max yield. Do You fit Your PVP ship with max cargo because you will take loot from wrecks? So STFU already, pathetic gankers cry because they can't kill defenseless, not moving targets in HS... Why, why so many id...s in such a brilliant game?
Let me explain this to you. I'll try to use small words.
If a PVPer solo flew a ship. Lets say the Dominix, or even the Moros. Now, this PVPer decides he doesn't want to fit a tank. Why should he, he's not a Space Paladin, he's a Space Rogue! So what our intrepid paint eating Space Rogue does is he fits a pure damage fit.
I'd give you an example but there literally aren't even any joke examples of this fit out there. Maybe all rails in the highs, mids would be all cap recharger 2s and omni trackings, and the lows all drone damage mods. Something like that. Hell, lets say Lasers in the highs, just because lasers are cool, right?
Anyway, our dashing paste eating Space Rogue flies forth, attacking a nefarious neutral or red "mob," and promptly gets his ass spanked, his ship destroyed, his pod launched into the nearest rock, and he gets a laughing imgur meme made about him.
Now said special needs Space Rogue is infuriated! He rushes forth to whine to CCP and the forums about how he chose to play as a space rogue, and thus the game should be adjusted so he could play like that...
... and is quickly called a ponce, a complete arseface, a dumbass of the highest caliber. Because obviously he is, right?
Now the difference between our pants on head "honourable" space rogue and the average Highsec Miner bot is that the Highsec Miner gets CCP to make him invincible while using these kinds of stupid, stupid ship fits. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
4368
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Posted - 2012.07.28 16:38:00 -
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Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:Since, apparently, fitting a ship is too gosh darn hard CCP has insulted all miners by decreeing they are too stupid to fit their ships, so they've prefit them by modifying hulls.
Since it's obvious that EVE is headed in this direction, CCP should just redo all the ships that way!
Let's take a look at the new and improved Caldari, for example.
Raven - Max DPS Rokh - Max cargo hold Scorpion - Max EHP (who needs ECM bonus? that's too hard)
Bring it on CCP!
This is an example of why these forums need a dislike button Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
4368
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Posted - 2012.07.28 16:43:00 -
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The D1ngo wrote:Random Celestial wrote:Jorma Morkkis wrote:Xython wrote:Goonswarm has no ratting bots. Sorry, but we don't. We don't even allow people to talk about stuff that's against the EULA. If you think otherwise, you can report any bot in game by a simple right click, I welcome you to do so, so I can laugh at you.
And even if you were doing ratting in nullsec at the absolute most absurd rate, you wouldn't hit 1b per hour. That's 334 million per tick. That's about 280m more a tick than I've ever seen someone hit, even the most obsessed PVErs around me with capital ship support.
Get a goddamned clue. When you say stupid **** like that you are just showing off that you have no, absolutely no clue what you're talking about. According to stats on SiSi untanked Hulk has ~9500 EHP. It's still possible to gank in hisec. Fyi, brick tanked Damnation and Proteus can be ganked in hisec too. You just need to bring more dps. EVE is MMO after all. Deal with it. Brick-tanked Procurer costs ~15 mil or so tops. Brick-tanked Damnation is ~200-300mil. See the problem? Oh, its a cost issue? Then what do you say to the miners that take exception to having their 200 mil. ship destroyed by a destroyer worth 2 mil? Weak argument is weak...
I'd tell them that a 300m fitted fleet battleship can be taken out by a well piloted T1 frigate. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
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