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Myxx
Gallente Blacksteel Mining and Manufacturing
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Posted - 2010.09.06 06:20:00 -
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Edited by: Myxx on 06/09/2010 06:21:38 Edited by: Myxx on 06/09/2010 06:21:20 proposal: as it says in the title, move -all- supercapitals to nullsec, do not allow them to jump into lowsec. give carriers another type of jump portal useable in lowsec, because they have the capacity to help with actual logistics.
or just move all capitals to nullsec, either way. it would give lowsec a chance at being populated because people dont like being hotdropped by eight titans in a battlecruiser or some such stupid overkill.
edit: look at the population of wormhole space. look at what is lacking in wormhole space: supercapitals and hotdrops. theres a reason it thrives. |
Myxx
Blacksteel Mining and Manufacturing
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Posted - 2010.09.06 06:23:00 -
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Drake Draconis
Minmatar Shadow Cadre Shadow Confederation
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Posted - 2010.09.06 06:33:00 -
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Edited by: Drake Draconis on 06/09/2010 06:34:12 Seriously? ========================= CEO of Shadow Cadre http://www.shadowcadre.com ========================= |
Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
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Posted - 2010.09.06 07:09:00 -
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catiously supporting moving supercaps .... true is that moms are overkill to anything u can field in lowsec. Other option is to allow bombs (low sps can fight back the supercaps) or DD in low, but then it will turn hell on eve :).
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Lykouleon
Trust Doesn't Rust
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Posted - 2010.09.06 09:49:00 -
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Originally by: Drake Draconis Seriously?
Quote: Aedun Sole > flying with lyk is like flying a bus filled with 5 year old children
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NightmareX
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers The 0rphanage
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Posted - 2010.09.06 14:26:00 -
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Not supported, and will never get supported by me either.
Only because you lost a Battleship or something to a Super Carrier in low sec, doesn't mean you have to cry like a kid because of it.
HTFU and live with it. I have been killed by a Mothership when it was called that earlier. And i lost a Tempest to that Mothership (Super Carrier).
But did i whine about it?, nah. I just moved on and bought a new Tempest.
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8Valve Growl
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Posted - 2010.09.06 15:00:00 -
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Supported, provided the below.
Strip SC bonuses, similar to the DD strip. Make SC's only able to launch (+1 drone per level - like a carrier) 10x fighters, and no bombers. This would still allow Super Caps into lowsec for logistical purposes, but render lowsec combat of Super Caps useless/pointless, as it should be.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.09.06 17:25:00 -
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Originally by: Myxx
edit: look at the population of wormhole space. look at what is lacking in wormhole space: supercapitals and hotdrops. theres a reason it thrives.
8% of EVE population in less than 7% of the systems (low sec) against 7% in 30% or so of the systems (WH).
Strange definition of "thrive".
QEN 2-2010:
Quote: Low security space declines by 1 percentage point, from 9% to 8%, and the share for null security space remains stable at 32%. Wormhole space 10 started with 6% of the total population (at the launch of the feature in Apocrypha) and dropped down to 4% in the first few months thereafter, but then started increasing again and currently stands at 7%. P
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2010.09.06 17:56:00 -
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Edited by: Hirana Yoshida on 06/09/2010 17:58:16 Cannot support a blanket ban of super-capitals in lowsec, but will support making it so ludicrously expensive (fuel intensive) to jump in that getting out requires caches.
Originally by: NightmareX Not supported, and will never get supported by me either.
If it was the one or two being dropped once in a blue moon there would be no issue .. but we are seeing 10-20 being dropped on single carriers or sub-cap gangs/fleets several times a week (guess null is really boring these days). Killing them is nigh impossible without being able to spam dictors, the infinipoint HIC simply does not cut it against super-capital blobs being dropped into predominately sub-cap environments .. not as if low-sec denizens can pull a gazillion dps out of their asses even if a HIC manages to survive 200+ drones
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ImmaSplodeYou
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Posted - 2010.09.06 20:21:00 -
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Edited by: ImmaSplodeYou on 06/09/2010 20:23:48 Edited by: ImmaSplodeYou on 06/09/2010 20:23:36 Edited by: ImmaSplodeYou on 06/09/2010 20:23:10 Dread is not a supercap.
And I'm guessing you're either just butthurt because you got sucar blobbed your L5 Carrier got popped by a titan or your towers got sieged
Tough break, this is eve, it's unfair get over it
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Mr SmartGuy
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Posted - 2010.09.07 19:06:00 -
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Dreads are not supercapitals.
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librarat
Caldari STK Scientific
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Posted - 2010.09.07 19:18:00 -
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Supported to at least relook the mechanice of supercap transportation Where there's a will, there's a way. |
Bagehi
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.09.08 15:57:00 -
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Please explain how pilots are supposed to move them from one side of the map to the other then? Do you realize how much longer the route is around empire space rather than straight through it? Rest assured, the north and south would never have a real fight ever again.
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Goose99
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Posted - 2010.09.08 16:07:00 -
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Originally by: Venkul Mul
Originally by: Myxx
edit: look at the population of wormhole space. look at what is lacking in wormhole space: supercapitals and hotdrops. theres a reason it thrives.
8% of EVE population in less than 7% of the systems (low sec) against 7% in 30% or so of the systems (WH).
Strange definition of "thrive".
QEN 2-2010:
Quote: Low security space declines by 1 percentage point, from 9% to 8%, and the share for null security space remains stable at 32%. Wormhole space 10 started with 6% of the total population (at the launch of the feature in Apocrypha) and dropped down to 4% in the first few months thereafter, but then started increasing again and currently stands at 7%. P
Lowsec population is made up of almost entirely inactive alts who don't do anything other than logging in once in a while, plus a handful of fw alts. While wh population is real people who actually plays while making a lot of isk.
Whenever someone brings caps to a lowsec fw fight, fight's over, everyone just leaves. It's pointless without bubbles. All it's good for is hotdropping the random noob dessie, which is pointless and not worth the fuel costs. Having killmails like that under your name is a liability, people think less of you and you're better off without it.
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Mr SmartGuy
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Posted - 2010.09.08 16:49:00 -
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Originally by: Goose99 Whenever someone brings caps to a lowsec fw fight, fight's over, everyone just leaves. It's pointless without bubbles.
Uhmm... focused scripts?
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SickSeven
Simplistic Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.09.08 22:27:00 -
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I support banning supercaps(dreads =/= supercaps) to 0.0.
I think it's kind of game breaking for smaller low-sec corps and alliances. And probably a total drag for FW(but i'm only guessing there, as i dont particiapte).
I think low-sec should be a kind of stepping stone, or at least alternative to 0.0. And I think it would be a lot better if supercaps were banned. You died at the fittings screen, you just hand't realized it yet - Mr. Cue |
Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.09.09 06:31:00 -
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Edited by: Venkul Mul on 09/09/2010 06:32:26
Originally by: Goose99
Lowsec population is made up of almost entirely inactive alts who don't do anything other than logging in once in a while, plus a handful of fw alts. While wh population is real people who actually plays while making a lot of isk.
You mean the "at least 2 scanning alts always present in a inhabitated WH system"?
Those you use only to scan your way in and out?
And, BTW, that percentage is based on activity, not number of logged and unlogged people present in system. So it is 8% of all logged accounts.
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2010.09.09 08:08:00 -
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Originally by: Mr SmartGuy Uhmm... focused scripts?
Excellent question and it would be perfectly valid if the ships they were supposed to hold down were as rare as was originally intended. Unfortunately that "solution" became obsolete when super-capital drops grew to contain 10+ Super-carriers plus an assortment of smaller ships (usually carriers ).
Since CCP knowingly let super capital proliferation get out of hand, I think it only prudent that they take steps to insure that the rest of Eve are not made to pay for their ineptitude.
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Br41n
Amarr Pinky and the Brain corp
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Posted - 2010.09.09 11:12:00 -
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drop your own capital fleet on them, problem fixed ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Pinky: Gee, Brain. What are we going to do tonight?
Brain: The same thing we do every night, Pinky. Try to take over the world. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
Bagehi
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.09.09 16:33:00 -
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Originally by: Hirana Yoshida
Originally by: Mr SmartGuy Uhmm... focused scripts?
Excellent question and it would be perfectly valid if the ships they were supposed to hold down were as rare as was originally intended. Unfortunately that "solution" became obsolete when super-capital drops grew to contain 10+ Super-carriers plus an assortment of smaller ships (usually carriers ).
Since CCP knowingly let super capital proliferation get out of hand, I think it only prudent that they take steps to insure that the rest of Eve are not made to pay for their ineptitude.
You know how you fix that? Let the alliances join FW. There are a few alliances that are faction specific and had been formed eons ago with anticipation of FW. They are usually the ones doing those cap drops. If they are in the militia, each militia will have a relatively healthy cap fleet and you will see that drop off or end in even cap battles. It won't be on the scale of 0.0 by any means. Still baffled why CCP hasn't allowed this as it seems to be the easiest fix to the problem.
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2010.09.09 17:28:00 -
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Originally by: Bagehi You know how you fix that? Let the alliances join FW.
I was unaware that CH, IT, -A-, HYDRA et al. (the usual suspects when it comes to low-sec drops) were created to participate in FW The purpose of this exercise is to have less capitals in low-sec, not more so I don't really see how allowing alliances into FW would further that goal.
But sure, let them join. Just leave all sovereignty at the door on the way in
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Awesome Possum
Gallente Isk Relocation Services Stratagem.
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Posted - 2010.09.09 22:22:00 -
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... but i thought you lowsec'ers keep complaining about a lack of people coming into lowsec?
can't eat your cake and have it too, ya know. ♥
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Mongo Edwards
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Posted - 2010.09.09 22:38:00 -
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Having super caps in low sec is more a deterrent to the newer players, which low sec needs, than it is for the older bored alliance players who would be kept out by the super cap ban.
Supported as long as dreads and carriers get to stay in low sec
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Jedak K'ral
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Posted - 2010.09.09 23:06:00 -
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Edited by: Jedak K''ral on 09/09/2010 23:09:21 Lowsec alliances cannot produce supercaps, therefor they shouldn't be allowed in lowsec. It makes perfect sense.
Originally by: Awesome Possum ... but i thought you lowsec'ers keep complaining about a lack of people coming into lowsec?
can't eat your cake and have it too, ya know.
Yes, i'm sure people always complain about a lack of Nyx traffic in their system. I mean, who doesn't love to see a half dozen carriers with a supporting fleet get driven off by one or two bored nullbears?
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steave435
Final Agony B A N E
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Posted - 2010.09.09 23:28:00 -
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Super caps need to be allowed to jump in to and exist in low sec space for the purpose of traveling to an another area, so I don't support banning them completely, however, supercarriers should loose the ability to deploy bombers just like titans can't use DDs. Low sec should be the middle ground between the no capitals low stake PvP in high sec and the high stake super capital warfare in 0.0.
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Theel Maas
Sigillum Militum Xpisti R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.09.10 05:01:00 -
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There should be restrictions. An outright ban is ludicrous, but the full capability of the supercarrier should not be available in low security.
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Portmanteau
CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2010.09.12 16:36:00 -
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Originally by: steave435 Super caps need to be allowed to jump in to and exist in low sec space for the purpose of traveling to an another area, so I don't support banning them completely, however, supercarriers should loose the ability to deploy bombers just like titans can't use DDs. Low sec should be the middle ground between the no capitals low stake PvP in high sec and the high stake super capital warfare in 0.0.
this
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Mr LaForge
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Posted - 2010.09.12 17:19:00 -
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Edited by: Mr LaForge on 12/09/2010 17:22:54 So it'll become this situation?
"Yeah.....you jumped into low sec and I'm gonna have to ask you to not use Fighter Bombers. Did you see the Patch Notes?"
"Yes I have the Notes right here and all it is is that I came back to the game after a year -"
"Great. If you can just not use those Fighter Bombers that would be great. Ok. And I'll get you another copy of those Patch Notes. And I'm also going to need to you to come in on Saturday. We lost some pilots and we need to pick up the slack..."
*weird face*
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Tepron
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Posted - 2010.09.12 22:36:00 -
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if a SC jumps into lowsec have the sovereign empire hot drop the thing with their own cap fleet, enforce SC pacifism
that and i wanna see the Amarr Navy hotdrop someone :D
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Irae Ragwan
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Posted - 2010.09.13 00:37:00 -
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Originally by: Mr LaForge
*weird face*
My thoughts exactly.
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