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Deathbarrage
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Posted - 2010.09.07 11:30:00 -
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So this sounds like a noobquestion but i have caldari, amarr and gallente BS at lvl 5, have an amarr dread and since they kinda became obsolete these days I wanna get into a carrier. My question is, basically, whichone is the best for its intended purpose? I figured archon i guess but dont know anyone flying archons
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fuxinos
Caldari Guys 0f Sarcasm
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Posted - 2010.09.07 11:33:00 -
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Archon = best Carrier, end of story.
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Grimpak
Gallente The Whitehound Corporation
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Posted - 2010.09.07 12:28:00 -
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Originally by: fuxinos Archon = best Carrier, end of story.
damn ugly tho. ---
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.09.07 12:37:00 -
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Originally by: fuxinos Archon = best Carrier, end of story.
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xenonn
Gallente Blackwater USA Inc.
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Posted - 2010.09.07 13:11:00 -
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Originally by: Sidus Isaacs
Originally by: fuxinos Archon = best Carrier, end of story.
Wrong
Indeed. Chimera is best imo.
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Deathbarrage
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Posted - 2010.09.07 13:20:00 -
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nice reactions though arguements would be nice
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NoNah
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Posted - 2010.09.07 13:51:00 -
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Archon gets two(three) great bonuses for armor fleets. As armor is dominant in most large fleets where carriers are needed - it's best for that.
Chimera gets two(three) great bonuses for shield. As shield is more effective for lots of things(more gank thanks to free lowslots, better resistance modules, instant transfer rather than armors delayed) and "never" bad(if an archon is bleeding it's way through armor a shield transfer can save it, an armor transfer is only relevant once it's main buffer is gone). You will also need bonused shieldtransfers for poses, range doesn't matter for armor.
Thanatos swings both ways in terms of transfers but lacks energy transfers(which can be sort of important but only in certain scenarios), however its tank is weak and the damage bonus is really only very useful for pve, carriers are really not there for the damage they deal. The damage bonus is however mentionable for PvE however it's turned out sentries are dominant even for carrier pve making it rather... limited. It does get a huge drone bay, which is a noticable plus.
Nidhoggur is the best logistics platform with a dual transferbonus, however the bonus isn't huge and the tank is very weak. It's quite nice for triage, but breaks easily as it has a bad slotslayout and a lack of resistance bonus. It's generally considered the worst carrier shared with thanatos. Parrots, commence!
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OneTimeAt BannedSpank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.09.07 14:07:00 -
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Really it's best to pick one that fulfils your personal and corp/alliance goals rather than it's 'intended role'.
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Kail Storm
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.09.07 21:45:00 -
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In a "pure" Carrier Role of RR and Cap support Caldari is best for shields and Archon best for Armor.
Since Armor is 90% of fleets Archon is thought to be the best Fleet carrier by Far, since it can survive longer to Rep other ships and recieve reps. Since MOM`s are here now Carriers arent used for Gank as much as Giant Logi`s.
Chimera is great for Shields but the problem is Shield Gangs tend to be very fast moving which carriers arent as useful for if at all. They are good for Carebearing, although The Extra DPS of the Thanny is thought to be the best.
The reason Amarr and Caldari are best for Shield/Armor Fleets is there 25% Bonus to resists and extra Slot for there tanking wether it low for arm or med for shields.
Since the general rule is Fleet=Armor Shield=Speed and Carriers are mostly fleet ships the Archon is the most useful in most situations. -------------------------------------------------- "If Eve Was P*rn, It would be a Snuff film, First you get screwed then you get killed" -Me
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.09.08 01:22:00 -
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Archon: What you fly if you are serious about cap fleet ops.
Chimera: POS repping biatch.
Thanny: Sanctum farmer.
Niddy: Suicide triage carrier.
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Athar Mu
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2010.09.08 01:51:00 -
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Thanny = Best DPS Carrier, also best for doing anoms.
Nid = Best Logistics Carrier (RR Bonus FTW).
Archon = Best Capital Armour Gang Carrier.
Chimera = Best Capital Shield Gang Carrier, also best local tank.
Basically with your skills, buy a Thanny to do anoms in, buy an Archon for your Corp/Alliance ops (unless they are primarily shield tanked ship ops) and buy a Triage Chimera for repping your POS's.
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Kephael
Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.09.08 02:28:00 -
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Thanatos is the best PvE carrier by far.
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Kail Storm
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.09.08 04:50:00 -
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Is the assigning Fighters still not giving the DPS Bonus from the thanny? -------------------------------------------------- "If Eve Was P*rn, It would be a Snuff film, First you get screwed then you get killed" -Me
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Deathbarrage
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Posted - 2010.09.08 06:03:00 -
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So basically for its ''intended purpose'' (fleet warfare logistics) you guys are saying archon is best, despite the fact that minmatar carrier is the onlyone that has a repping amount bonus. I do get the survivability factor though
And Thanny's best for pve but not really good for anything else
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Admiral Pelleon
White Shadow Imperium
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Posted - 2010.09.08 06:07:00 -
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Originally by: Kail Storm Is the assigning Fighters still not giving the DPS Bonus from the thanny?
Never supposed to. ________ Chicago players channel: 'Windy City'
Originally by: CCP Navigator Confirming that I am the best poster.
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AstarothPrime
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Posted - 2010.09.08 08:59:00 -
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I intend to train for a carrier as well.
Basically what you are saying:
Shield rep bonus = smaller fleets + POS repair + to survivability in encounters
Armor tank = ultra large fleets reps
Therefore if you live in heavily contested sov space - get an Archon All other cases - get a Chimera due to best pve/pvp usage ratio
?? is that about right?
I.
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Deathbarrage
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Posted - 2010.09.08 09:08:00 -
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Originally by: AstarothPrime I intend to train for a carrier as well.
Basically what you are saying:
Shield rep bonus = smaller fleets + POS repair + to survivability in encounters
Armor tank = ultra large fleets reps
Therefore if you live in heavily contested sov space - get an Archon All other cases - get a Chimera due to best pve/pvp usage ratio
?? is that about right?
I.
tbh what i heard so far is get an archon or a thanatos
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Limvala Adur
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Posted - 2010.09.08 09:51:00 -
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Exactly what the above poster said. Last time I heard, there are only 2 Carriers in EVE - Archon and Thanatos.
I'm happily grinding towards my Chimera thought.
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Artemis Rose
Clandestine Vector
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Posted - 2010.09.08 10:20:00 -
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Avoid the Thanny unless you strictly want to run Sanctums and do other PvE things. In PvP, the Niddy completely outshines it. Tanks the same, reps the same two things and lolfighter bonus <<<<<<<< Rep Bonus
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.09.08 11:06:00 -
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Unless you do carrier hotdrops where the extra DPS of a thannie does matter. Archon is in principle best for larger fleet stuff, but you cant rep a pos with it. Also it can only be armor tanked while the thannie and niddie can also be shield tanked.
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Posted - 2010.09.08 11:13:00 -
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for PVE the thanatos for PVP the archon for POS repping the other 2
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FT Diomedes
Gallente The Fimbriani Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2010.09.08 13:05:00 -
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For what it's worth, my two carrier pilots fly the Archon and the Thanatos. In today's armor repairing world, it's hard to go wrong either way. I've seen plenty of ships go down in each class. The Archon is more gang friendly. If you have lots of friends go that route. --- This doesn't even seem to be a regular case of rats fleeing the sinking ship. Seems more like the rats are on fire, the ship is on fire, and the sea is full of drunk Russians. - Jacob Etienne |
SickSeven
Simplistic Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.09.08 14:45:00 -
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Fly what you want tbh. Last I checked Eve is still a game, fly what you will be happy with. People armor tank Chimeras fairly often(in RR fleets). Don't think there is only one right answer. I refuse to train anything Amarr, I love everything Minmatar too much to support those dirty slavers. My Nidd may not be the "max/min" choice for everything, but it can do everything fair enough and look damn sexy while doing it! You died at the fittings screen, you just hand't realized it yet - Mr. Cue |
Kail Storm
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.09.08 16:18:00 -
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The reason I decided not to go thanny was simple, WHere I live, WHen I carebear its just stupid to have your carrier in the sanctums, way way faster to use my Tengu and have my Carrier parked right outside POS, and Assigning fighters to it, since the Tengu gets alot of pure Missile DMG to make up for No drones it makes it a perfect Choice because Im not sacrificing any Drone DPS.
So I Chose the Chimera, Since You dont get the bonus from Thanny when Assigning fighters when I decided to do start training for it. Also my Other toon flys a Archon.
Its also best for Ninja fleets, and Lvl 5`s as well since most ships that run 5`s are shield tanked. So Carrier on its own to PVE with Thanny, Carrier for Added DPS and support for Carebearism Chimera since it also has biggest tank. FYI it is by far the best Bait Carrier there is.
To the guy above who only loves to fly SESSY things, I didnt know a Brn roof was sexy :)
SESSY TIME
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El Liptonez
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Posted - 2010.09.09 08:19:00 -
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Just like others already said, fly what you want to fly. They all have their uses. Generally the Thanatos is called the best carrier because of the drone damage bonus. But to be frank. It doesn't make up for its ugliness. Although admittedly, the Archon is worse.
For me it's Chimera > Nidhoggur. Both are made of complete awesomesauce, but the Chimera has tons of more tank. And its RR capabities are worse. I really don't want to be a Nidhoggur pilot in a fleet battle.
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Andrea Skye
Caldari The Python Cartel. The Jerk Cartel
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Posted - 2010.09.09 09:14:00 -
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Theres another role for the carrier, that most people havent mentioned. That role is station humping.
I have a Niddy, and I only really use it to rep corpies with GCC, camping stations in low sec. It rarely leave the undock (were a roaming corp, you dont roam in carriers) and I'd say the Nidhoggur is best at this role. The rep bonus is awesome.
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Limvala Adur
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Posted - 2010.09.09 10:11:00 -
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The one thing which still interests me is why people say the Chimera can tank better then the Archon.
I've watched, quite carefully at that, the triage tactic videos on the tube and I have to say that 20k dps out of the Archon is pretty impressive. The most I've heard a Chimera can tank is 15k, that is a big gap there.
Or am I misinformed?
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Kail Storm
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.09.09 11:06:00 -
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Originally by: El Liptonez Just like others already said, fly what you want to fly. They all have their uses. Generally the Thanatos is called the best carrier because of the drone damage bonus. But to be frank. It doesn't make up for its ugliness. Although admittedly, the Archon is worse.
For me it's Chimera > Nidhoggur. Both are made of complete awesomesauce, but the Chimera has tons of more tank. And its RR capabities are worse. I really don't want to be a Nidhoggur pilot in a fleet battle.
Thanny is not considered best carrier to most peeps at all. Archon is best because its RR bonuses are the best along with slot layout and much more Tank.
Thanny is best PVE Carrier but honestly without Assigning Bonus who wants it? -------------------------------------------------- "If Eve Was P*rn, It would be a Snuff film, First you get screwed then you get killed" -Me
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Boris Petroshevski
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Posted - 2010.09.09 11:29:00 -
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Edited by: Boris Petroshevski on 09/09/2010 11:31:30
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Ganandorf
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Posted - 2010.09.10 11:32:00 -
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Originally by: Kail Storm
Originally by: El Liptonez Just like others already said, fly what you want to fly. They all have their uses. Generally the Thanatos is called the best carrier because of the drone damage bonus. But to be frank. It doesn't make up for its ugliness. Although admittedly, the Archon is worse.
For me it's Chimera > Nidhoggur. Both are made of complete awesomesauce, but the Chimera has tons of more tank. And its RR capabities are worse. I really don't want to be a Nidhoggur pilot in a fleet battle.
Thanny is not considered best carrier to most peeps at all. Archon is best because its RR bonuses are the best along with slot layout and much more Tank.
Thanny is best PVE Carrier but honestly without Assigning Bonus who wants it?
why do people keep saying archon has the best RR bonus? it has no RR bonus
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