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Bitterpants
Hedion University
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Posted - 2010.09.12 13:10:00 -
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Story time.
I am new to EVE, this being my main character currently in a PLEX fueled, implant rich, permadocked EVEMon enviroment. AFK for 2 years, bbl.
My other guy is your typical 'Timmy The Turbo Trial Account with a Rifter BPO', and since I started laying down the pewpew a few weeks ago I have noticed how everyone around me is totally obsessed with killmails. What's the deal you guys?
I was balls deep into another tight ass MMO when one day they released a much sought after PvP 'title' that would be unlocked after a certain amount of solo kills. Ever since it was introduced, there was a spike in kids farming their own alt accounts and logging off midfight if they were losing, to save their precious kill/death ratios. Sure this ***gotry goes on everywhere, but any game element that encourages this is just plain wrong.
Do killboards have any real practical use outside ego boosting and/or homoerotic encouraging gameplay? Will I miss out on koolkidsklub benefits if I ignore all the killboard shenanigans?
Meh,
Bitter.
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Salient
Caldari APOCALYPSE LEGION
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Posted - 2010.09.12 13:24:00 -
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Killboards have several functions, one of course being the ego stroke variety.
On the other hand, they can be an immense source of info re: a potential targets (player or entire corp) favored ships and fittings, statistics, locations the corp/player favor, and much more.
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Bitterpants
Hedion University
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Posted - 2010.09.12 13:48:00 -
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Originally by: Salient Killboards have several functions, one of course being the ego stroke variety.
On the other hand, they can be an immense source of info re: a potential targets (player or entire corp) favored ships and fittings, statistics, locations the corp/player favor, and much more.
Oh.
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tomd741
The Minutemen
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Posted - 2010.09.12 14:14:00 -
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Just remember most killboards are padded and false. eve-kill is pretty decent but battleclinic is the national enquirer of killboards. Corp/alliance killboards are rarely accurate. Most ppl delete killmails that make them look bad and inflate their numbers so they have a higher positive kill %. Some are pretty honest but it's rare.
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Zyck
Void-Wolf Propter Falco
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Posted - 2010.09.12 14:25:00 -
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Originally by: tomd741 Just remember most killboards are padded and false. eve-kill is pretty decent but battleclinic is the national enquirer of killboards. Corp/alliance killboards are rarely accurate. Most ppl delete killmails that make them look bad and inflate their numbers so they have a higher positive kill %. Some are pretty honest but it's rare.
Most KB's these days are API fed if the corp/alliance in question is serious at all about PvP, which means they're pretty accurate.
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Jyngo
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2010.09.12 14:33:00 -
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You're obviously not new to eve/
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tomd741
The Minutemen
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Posted - 2010.09.12 15:05:00 -
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Zyck, very true. However, they can be changed once they upload to the KB. Not a big deal for a corp or alliance to remove a killmail. They do it all the time. Well, most do. Some still are honest. Most aren't however. Welcome to EVE
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Daneel Trevize
Black Viper Nomads
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Posted - 2010.09.12 15:11:00 -
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They can also help attract new corp members, not always for the right reasons |
Goose99
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Posted - 2010.09.12 15:15:00 -
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Edited by: Goose99 on 12/09/2010 15:15:49 For reasons stated and others, no one is impressed by kb whoring but the e-peen weinny themselves. It's easier to get info on you, for background research, wt research, and other purposes. Some of the good pvpers with nothing to prove don't upload kms to control information and look less threatening. Dogs that bite don't bark.
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0oO0oOoOo0o
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Posted - 2010.09.12 19:27:00 -
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You can also post a lot of fake killmails in order to boost your stats and brag with them. If you get caught, you can claim that you wanted to delude the enemy by giving wrong intel. If you have a carebear corp, you can post lots of kills to deceive your enemies, as they will think that your corps consists of pvp pros and won't dare to wardec you.
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Artemis Ahab
Caldari The Inf1dels En Garde
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Posted - 2010.09.12 19:43:00 -
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Originally by: 0oO0oOoOo0o You can also post a lot of fake killmails in order to boost your stats and brag with them. If you get caught, you can claim that you wanted to delude the enemy by giving wrong intel. If you have a carebear corp, you can post lots of kills to deceive your enemies, as they will think that your corps consists of pvp pros and won't dare to wardec you.
That'll just scare off the punks that wardec indy corps, then they have to worry about the GOOD pvp corps that wardec them thinking there's good fights to be had. Either way the carebears are screwed
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Portmanteau
CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2010.09.12 21:52:00 -
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Originally by: Salient Killboards have several functions, one of course being the ego stroke variety.
On the other hand, they can be an immense source of info re: a potential targets (player or entire corp) favored ships and fittings, statistics, locations the corp/player favor, and much more.
actually both reasons Eve and specifically pvp in Eve would be better off without them
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Darcon Kylote
Terminal Impact Dara Cothrom
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Posted - 2010.09.12 22:07:00 -
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Your killboard history is part of your resume when you apply to a new corp. Your losses tell me if you have a clue how to fit ships, and your kills show me how active you are, what sort of gangs you like to fly in, what ships and weapons you can use, and what pvp experience you've had in highsec/lowsec/nullsec.
I can't imagine not having that when looking at a recruit. -- Terminal Impact is recruiting PVPers for fun ops in lowsec/0.0/wormhole space. Visit our website or join ingame channel "the tict pub". |
Daergaar
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.09.12 23:45:00 -
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In my two years of playing, I've never uploaded a single kill of mine. I simply don't care about them. I have fun playing the game, not whoring my ego.
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Irae Ragwan
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Posted - 2010.09.12 23:57:00 -
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Originally by: Darcon Kylote Your resume tell me how active you are to fly ships and I can't imagine not having that when looking at a recruit.
K
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Abdiel Kavash
Caldari Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2010.09.13 00:26:00 -
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Edited by: Abdiel Kavash on 13/09/2010 00:30:28
Originally by: Daergaar In my two years of playing, I've never uploaded a single kill of mine. I simply don't care about them. I have fun playing the game, not whoring my ego.
Don't worry, we know anyway. ___________ EVE is dying! Now for real! |
Goose99
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Posted - 2010.09.13 00:40:00 -
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Originally by: Abdiel Kavash Edited by: Abdiel Kavash on 13/09/2010 00:30:28
Originally by: Daergaar In my two years of playing, I've never uploaded a single kill of mine. I simply don't care about them. I have fun playing the game, not whoring my ego.
Don't worry, we know anyway.
Those actually make him look decent. Lowsec pvp while still in noobie npc corp while willing to risk BC at that early stage is a good sign. The sole kill is likely uploaded by someone else who laid final blow.
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Bad Messenger
draketrain
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Posted - 2010.09.13 07:23:00 -
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If you are FC you may be interested to see after battle how your fleet members fitted their ships and propably give some advices to those who had not so good fit for the fleet you were running. New pilots usually do not have all required skills for proper fittings.
Browsing old mails brings sometimes good memories to your mind, so kill board is somekind of history book too, outsiders does not always know the story behind mails but involved parties usually have some memories if fight has been somehow special.
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Daergaar
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.09.13 07:47:00 -
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Edited by: Daergaar on 13/09/2010 07:49:29
Originally by: Goose99
Originally by: Abdiel Kavash Edited by: Abdiel Kavash on 13/09/2010 00:30:28
Originally by: Daergaar In my two years of playing, I've never uploaded a single kill of mine. I simply don't care about them. I have fun playing the game, not whoring my ego.
Don't worry, we know anyway.
Those actually make him look decent. Lowsec pvp while still in noobie npc corp while willing to risk BC at that early stage is a good sign. The sole kill is likely uploaded by someone else who laid final blow.
I didn't upload a single one of those. 2 of them were jumping into gate camps while missioning with a friend in dreaded Egghelende (pretty sure on one of those I popped one of the gate camp ships in my PvE Drake before I died...the record of one of those 2 losses is missing. I lost a second Drake in that system.). The one where I popped the hurricane was a 1v1 can bait outside a station. 2 of his friends joined in, and I still managed to pop the Hurricane before I died. Someone else joined in as well to help me out.
My point is that the combat log post doesn't really tell a good story of what really happened. I think PvP is fun whether I win or lose.
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Hauling Hal
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Posted - 2010.09.13 09:01:00 -
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Edited by: Hauling Hal on 13/09/2010 09:02:43
Originally by: Daergaar In my two years of playing, I've never uploaded a single kill of mine. I simply don't care about them. I have fun playing the game, not whoring my ego.
Uploading Killmails is pretty much irrelevant, as most killboards pull all kills automatically from CCP. The only poeple that upload them are those that want the results on the KB ASAP or people posting false kills.
It's worth noting that this is an MMO, so if you are flying with other people they may be interested in whether you can PvP or not. If you play solo, then fine and dandy.
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Dodgy Past
Amarr Trans-Solar Works Rooks and Kings
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Posted - 2010.09.13 13:28:00 -
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Originally by: Darcon Kylote Your killboard history is part of your resume when you apply to a new corp. Your losses tell me if you have a clue how to fit ships, and your kills show me how active you are, what sort of gangs you like to fly in, what ships and weapons you can use, and what pvp experience you've had in highsec/lowsec/nullsec.
I can't imagine not having that when looking at a recruit.
This is why I care about my stats being relatively accurate.
If you want to join a decent PvP corp then the first thing they'll do is look you up on Eve kill, from that they'll decide if they want to bother talking to you. It's actually far more important than your SP count since certain important roles such as tackling don't require much SP but do require high levels of skill that should at least be hinted at by a killboard.
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Skex Relbore
Gallente Red Federation
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Posted - 2010.09.14 14:56:00 -
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Hello my name is Skex and I'm a killmail addict and I've been killmail free for one day which I shall hopefully fix tonight.
Beyond the epeen factor and the potential resume padding I also use my killboard as a way to track my progress as a PVPer to examine what I've done right what I've done wrong. What area's I need to improve in. evaluate how particular fits perform. I use it for fitting idea's by looking at loss mails of people who are good PVPers. As an FC I use them to help fleet members with fitting advice. as well as for deciding who I should primary first in the opposing fleet.
You can get a lot of information on how a given pilot likes to fly. Their preferred ships and load outs. Are they risk adverse or do they like engaging even or worse odds.
It doesn't matter if you want to post your kills or not they're going to get on either through you or your victim/killer so you might as well participate to try and keep it somewhat accurate.
The way I see it since you're going to be on the killboards anyway, you are foolish if you don't use them as a tool to improve your game play.
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tomd741
The Minutemen
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Posted - 2010.09.14 23:13:00 -
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Killmails provide a great deal of crucial information. However, I wish CCP would have a Eve Killboard that no one can change and pad. Most killboards are padded and fake info on them. Some are accurate however. But telling who is accurate and who isn't is the problem. Hence why I wish CCP would make a KB.
Note: If that would affect lag in an adverse way, screw the KB!
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Lost Greybeard
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Posted - 2010.09.15 00:44:00 -
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Killmails are, essentially, intel.
Posting kills for other people is great, it reveals their fits, what they drive, their relative skill level, etc.
However, this is only if you want to help other people out. Having no reason to do any such thing, I don't post mine. If nothing else, keeps people from knowing what I've looted.
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IbanezLaney
Caldari Dingo took my corp name
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Posted - 2010.09.15 01:29:00 -
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Killboards are like everything else in eve.
If you're names on top and you're winning it's great, but if you fail at it then everything related to it must suck.
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Skex Relbore
Gallente Red Federation
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Posted - 2010.09.15 16:48:00 -
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Originally by: IbanezLaney Killboards are like everything else in eve.
If you're names on top and you're winning it's great, but if you fail at it then everything related to it must suck.
QFT
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