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Martial Marshall
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Posted - 2010.09.12 19:44:00 -
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Ive read plenty of the threads asking 'how do I make zillions?'. Im trying to do better than about 3M and hour with Blue Ice. It's gone from 105k when I restarted a couple of months ago to 82k a unit. Ive tried rocks as well. Im just not sure if Im going about things wrong or what. I usually just pull up, mine, return to a base and empty. I know it is not efficent that way but with the ice your only making 3 trips or so an hour at about 2 mins each.
So Im wondering, how could I make the best use of this character: http://eveboard.com/pilot/Martial_Marshall
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation
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Posted - 2010.09.12 20:14:00 -
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Edited by: Whitehound on 12/09/2010 20:16:05 Mining alone will not get you rich. You need to start making something out of your ice and ore. The skill training then follows your needs for whatever your next goal is.
Start researching some BPs if you not already have. Start manufacturing and then sell your products.
Looking at your skills, train up the following ones next:
Mass Production Production Efficiency
Advanced Laboratory Operation (you have the prereq so doing one or two levels will not cost much time)
Connections
Trade Retail Accounting Broker Relations --
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.09.12 21:08:00 -
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Originally by: Whitehound Mining alone will not get you rich. You need to start making something out of your ice and ore.
Manufacturing seldom increases your revenue much on top of the mining income (it's a flat and rather small percentage for ships, for which you already need to buy some of the minerals anyway - and for modules, the market is not exactly booming), so if you're mainly going to use just the resources you mine, you still won't get rich any time soon. Even if you do the math, buy the proper ready-researched blueprints you CAN afford at a low-ish initial investment and start buying materials to keep your production lines going, you still won't exactly get rich too soon, but it might end up better than mining anyway. You could liquidate everything else you have (if you have it) and invest in some better-yield blueprints (not much better, but still), then keep reinvesting your profits into more blueprints until you already have your entire production line capability working full time. By this time, you're so far divorced from mining that you might as well just quit mining altogether.
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation
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Posted - 2010.09.12 21:19:00 -
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Edited by: Whitehound on 12/09/2010 21:20:34
Originally by: Akita T Manufacturing seldom increases your revenue much on top of the mining income ... By this time, you're so far divorced from mining that you might as well just quit mining altogether.
Here is an idea of what to do: OP shall become a corp thief. Forget mining and industry all together. Why go through all the steps, and learn anything about industry, when one can make billions with just stealing it? Akita, you are really an inspiration. --
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Irae Ragwan
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Posted - 2010.09.12 21:52:00 -
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Originally by: Whitehound Edited by: Whitehound on 12/09/2010 21:20:34
Originally by: Akita T Manufacturing seldom increases your revenue much on top of the mining income ... By this time, you're so far divorced from mining that you might as well just quit mining altogether.
Here is an idea of what to do: OP shall become a corp thief. Forget mining and industry all together. Why go through all the steps, and learn anything about industry, when one can make billions with just stealing it? Akita, you are really an inspiration.
And the minerals you mine are free!
Wait...
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Ren Nekk
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2010.09.12 22:05:00 -
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You could get 1.5 - 2 bill for him on the character bazaar. That's a lot more than you're likely to make mining any time soon :)
Then you can buy plexes and skill a pure production or trade character, or whatever you like.
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.09.12 22:08:00 -
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Originally by: Whitehound Akita, you are really an inspiration.
*whistling obliviously* Aaaah, another satisfied customer !
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Berikath
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Posted - 2010.09.13 00:28:00 -
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Originally by: Martial Marshall Ive read plenty of the threads asking 'how do I make zillions?'. Im trying to do better than about 3M and hour with Blue Ice. It's gone from 105k when I restarted a couple of months ago to 82k a unit. Ive tried rocks as well. Im just not sure if Im going about things wrong or what. I usually just pull up, mine, return to a base and empty. I know it is not efficent that way but with the ice your only making 3 trips or so an hour at about 2 mins each.
So Im wondering, how could I make the best use of this character: http://eveboard.com/pilot/Martial_Marshall
You're not gonna make more than about 10 mil an hour in high-sec mining. If that isn't enough to satisfy you, then honestly the most profitable use for your character might be here.
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=channel&channelID=734105
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Martial Marshall
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Posted - 2010.09.13 00:55:00 -
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Im not able to even get close to 10 mill an hour though. Ive tried in my Hulk and Mackinaw and cant get above about 3M.
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Berikath
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Posted - 2010.09.13 01:19:00 -
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10m is, as I recall, the guesstimate you get if you:
Have someone else hauling for you. Are being boosted by an orca Have all maxed skills Are mining only the best variants of the most valuable ore Are using T2 strips with appropriate T2 crystals Have perfect refine and are moving your stuff to the best market Are only counting the time you're actually in the belt eating 'roids, not moving or anything.
If you're not doing one or more of these things, it'll affect your ISK/hr.
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2010.09.13 02:45:00 -
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You are not going to make much ISK mining, especially if you're doing the ice harvesting variant of mining. Ice harvesting is something people do while watching TV or babysitting - activities where you have a computer doing nothing anyway, and your attention is needed elsewhere.
Train up for PI, so you can be doing PI while waiting for your ice harvesters to cycle.
Train the various trade skills, so you can be playing the market while you wait for your ice harvesters to cycle.
Get in a fleet with an Orca pilot providing bonuses, so you can cycle the ice harvesters faster and stay in the belt while someone else does the hauling.
3M an hour sounds about right for solo harvesting blue ice. You'll get to about 7M an hour when in a fleet with booster and hauler.
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Martial Marshall
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Posted - 2010.09.13 13:36:00 -
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If 3m is about right then for solo playing then thats fine with me. I thought I was doing something completely and utterly wrong and just wanted to know what it was. I didnt realise most of the refrences were to gang mining, well I assume they have to be seeings how I cant get over 3.3m and with people here saying 'Orca', 'gang', 'hauler'.
I usually play modern warfare or have my 2 kids to watch/chase after/drive me insane ... so the length of the cycles etc. kinda suits me.
Since this guy is only about 2 months off being a perfect Orca pilot, I think, I might start another account tonight to make a miner that will be ready by the time this guy has finished off that side.
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Jack Hellblazer
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Posted - 2010.09.13 16:45:00 -
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Edited by: Jack Hellblazer on 13/09/2010 16:45:56 Using a Hulk, the theoretical maximum yield per cycle (3 minutes) is 2347 m^3 (per strip miner). Looking at http://www.bsacse.webege.com/exchange/index.php?id=OREPRICE for the most profitable Empire ore at 92isk/m^3, we get the following:
Isk per hour = 2347*3*92*20 = 12 955 440 isk/hour
A more realistic scenario, where your yield is about 2000 it would be the following:
Isk per hour = 2000*3*92*20 = 11 040 000 isk/hour
If you are only making 3 mil an hour, you are doing something horribly wrong.
I can remember when mining in empire yielded 130 isk/m^3 for the best mineral, that was sweet. (at least 15 600 000 mil an hour).
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Kiyirari
All Star Shipyards
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Posted - 2010.09.13 18:13:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Whitehound Mining alone will not get you rich. You need to start making something out of your ice and ore.
Manufacturing seldom increases your revenue much on top of the mining income (it's a flat and rather small percentage for ships, for which you already need to buy some of the minerals anyway - and for modules, the market is not exactly booming), so if you're mainly going to use just the resources you mine, you still won't get rich any time soon. Even if you do the math, buy the proper ready-researched blueprints you CAN afford at a low-ish initial investment and start buying materials to keep your production lines going, you still won't exactly get rich too soon, but it might end up better than mining anyway. You could liquidate everything else you have (if you have it) and invest in some better-yield blueprints (not much better, but still), then keep reinvesting your profits into more blueprints until you already have your entire production line capability working full time. By this time, you're so far divorced from mining that you might as well just quit mining altogether.
I would have to agree with Akita T on this one, i've built up a collection over the years some i use for T2 invention and others i simple sell as bpc copys to fund other activitys.
I also have 2nd account which i trained up as hulk/mac pilot, the natural progression for me was this toon to assist in my industrial section of building/invention dutys once all that was satisfactory the toon was developed into pve as a support Domi pilot for lvl 4s/salvage etc... that toon now backs up My PI operation making pos fuel.
Hope that helps, its just what i've done
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Berikath
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Posted - 2010.09.13 18:18:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Hellblazer Edited by: Jack Hellblazer on 13/09/2010 16:45:56 Using a Hulk, the theoretical maximum yield per cycle (3 minutes) is 2347 m^3 (per strip miner). Looking at http://www.bsacse.webege.com/exchange/index.php?id=OREPRICE for the most profitable Empire ore at 92isk/m^3, we get the following:
Isk per hour = 2347*3*92*20 = 12 955 440 isk/hour
Originally by: Martial Marshall Im trying to do better than about 3M and hour with Blue Ice. [/url]
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@ 3 mil an hour, he COULD be doing something horribly wrong since his numbers are so much lower than yours...
or he could be mining ice, which has numbers COMPLETELY different than yours.
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Martial Marshall
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Posted - 2010.09.13 20:26:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Hellblazer Edited by: Jack Hellblazer on 13/09/2010 16:45:56 Using a Hulk, the theoretical maximum yield per cycle (3 minutes) is 2347 m^3 (per strip miner). Looking at http://www.bsacse.webege.com/exchange/index.php?id=OREPRICE for the most profitable Empire ore at 92isk/m^3, we get the following:
Isk per hour = 2347*3*92*20 = 12 955 440 isk/hour
A more realistic scenario, where your yield is about 2000 it would be the following:
Isk per hour = 2000*3*92*20 = 11 040 000 isk/hour
If you are only making 3 mil an hour, you are doing something horribly wrong.
I can remember when mining in empire yielded 130 isk/m^3 for the best mineral, that was sweet. (at least 15 600 000 mil an hour).
See thats where I have the problem. Even going after the most profitable I cant get close to that. I have a hulk fitted out with T2 and crystals and cant do it. Which makes me think Im doing something wrong ... unless it is all down to gang mining numbers.
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Lafaela
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Posted - 2010.09.13 23:38:00 -
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Don't panic too much about Jack's numbers.
They are assuming a perfect miner which includes all skills at 5, all implants, and a pefect gang mate with an orca, perfect skills of his own, along with his own implants and ganglinks, and his calculations for isk/hour then assume you never have to warp out to unload, and that you never have any roids that wear out part way through a cycle, and that you only ever mine the most valuable ore available in hi-sec.
Even his "reasonable" 2000 cube per cycle requires you to be in a gang and is not achievable solo.
Google Halada's Mining Guide to get a better idea of what skills and implants matter and exactly how much you can mine solo.
The simple fact is it would take about 4 months training to get those perfect hulk skills so you will have more room for improvement yet.
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2010.09.14 01:40:00 -
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Originally by: Martial Marshall Since this guy is only about 2 months off being a perfect Orca pilot, I think, I might start another account tonight to make a miner that will be ready by the time this guy has finished off that side.
I followed your thinking for the same reasons - ice harvesting is very afk-friendly - but do keep an eye out for frigates bumping you to suss out possible macro miners. I opted for three characters: one flying an Orca, two flying Hulks.
Make sure you keep training the Orca pilot with other leadership skills, the Orca can run a shield harmonization link too, for what that's worth :)
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Gavin DeVries
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Posted - 2010.09.14 03:04:00 -
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I used to mine, but don't any more. I have Exhumers 4, and enough skill to use (some) crystals. I also can't use T2 mining drones, only having skill level 4 in them as well as Drone Interfacing. So, here would be my numbers, if I were to try mining to earn money.
These values are 3 weeks old. The last time I ran the mineral prices through my spreadsheet was 26 August. At the time, the most valuable hi-sec ore was Kernite, at 103 ISK per m3. If I mine Kernite, by myself, I'd be pulling in 1668 m3 per minute. That's just over 10 million per hour, but that's assuming no time wasted hauling, no time spent not mining because I have to move to find new rocks, etc. As a more practical matter, since I don't have an alt to haul or give gang bonuses I'd probably spend at least 25% of the time warping to/from the station either in the Hulk or in a hauler to pick up a jetcan, so I'd figure about 7.5 million per hour.
I would never mine ice, not unless I was going to really do it afk. Turn harvesters on, alt+tab, go do something else for half an hour. ______________________________________________________ Isn't it enough to know that I ruined a pony making a gift for you? |
Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2010.09.14 06:19:00 -
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Originally by: Gavin DeVries I would never mine ice, not unless I was going to really do it afk. Turn harvesters on, alt+tab, go do something else for half an hour.
You don't have to be away from the game to make use of ice harvesting :)
I know I'm starting to sound like a broken record, but PI, trade, manufacturing - can mostly be run while you're harvesting ice. For manufacturing you'll have to make sure that there are materials in the assembly arrays to produce the stuff you want to make for the next few hours.
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youthink
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Posted - 2010.09.14 12:16:00 -
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In a Mac with Exhumers IV, boosted by Orca/Mining Foreman Mindlink. Just under 4 minutes cycle time, carving Glacial Mass, 5.8M/hour (eve-metrics median sell).
Multiply by two (two macks) and you have just over 11.6M/hour not-so-much afk mining income. If I would to sell the Glacial Mass. Refining with zero waste and selling as POS fuel yields much more.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2010.09.14 12:54:00 -
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@OP
Best use you can have of a miner is to sell him.
If you really insist at doing the reportedly lowest pay profession in EvE, expect to make 6-7M per hour in an Hulk and 3-4 in a Mack (ice). Ideal scenarios are just that: ideal. You are not going to find infinite size roids nor you'll manage to stop lasers at fractional cycles to min max the yeld and similar. - Auditing & consulting
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