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Malaus Kahn
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.09.13 15:40:00 -
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Question for all the experienced pilots - what is repsectable DPS for the different ship types (frig, cruiser, and battlecruiser). When I look at fittings on various websites I find that my DPS is never ever as good (sometimes not even close) as some fittings. I have to assume having V in all skills is not a prerequisite for PvP, so I ask - what is a good amount of DPS for the aforementioned shiptypes? I fly Amarr (if that matters)
Thanks ahead!
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Irae Ragwan
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Posted - 2010.09.13 16:10:00 -
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So you basically want an excel sheet for every amarr ship and possible fit in terms of projected dps with max skills?
Send me a few billion isk and i'll consider it.
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Lexx Jonlan
Gallente Shadows Of The Federation
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Posted - 2010.09.13 16:23:00 -
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Originally by: Malaus Kahn I have to assume having V in all skills is not a prerequisite for PvP
It isn't, but most quoted fits use the All Level V character in EFT so that there's a standard baseline to compare them with.
Don't sweat getting the 'perfect' numbers.
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Malaus Kahn
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.09.13 16:23:00 -
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Edited by: Malaus Kahn on 13/09/2010 16:26:22 No, read up please. I know trolls can read, at least at a rudimentary level.
I am interested in knowing a ballpark figure for most ship categories (frig, cruiser, bc), not each ship, to clarify in case you didn't understand. Excel spreadsheets and dumb comments are not what I asked for.
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Malaus Kahn
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.09.13 16:25:00 -
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Thanks for the reply, Lexx.
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Merdaneth
Amarr Sovereign Hospitaller Order of Saint Katherine
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Posted - 2010.09.13 16:28:00 -
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For PvP
Frigs: 100dps Cruiser: 300dps Battlecruiser: 500dps Battleship: 800dps ____
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Malaus Kahn
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.09.13 16:29:00 -
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Thanks!
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Gecko O'Bac
H A V O C Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.09.13 17:33:00 -
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Originally by: Merdaneth For PvP
Frigs: 100dps Cruiser: 300dps Battlecruiser: 500dps Battleship: 800dps
These numbers are misleading at the very best.
Frig dps is around that number typically, but that's only on fighting ships. Beside the taranis, most ceptors don't really bother with dps.
For all the other classes the dps numbers depend much more on the fit of the ship since sniper fits are typically lower damage. This is particularly true for battleships. Most fits are long range or midrange (where in most cases you fit long range guns with short range ammo), so that number is quite too high for the typical fleet combat bs (though it's kind ok for solo short range bss, even too low). Finally the most commonly used BC in pvp is the drake and in the heavy missile fit it sits around 300, 350 dps.
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Malaus Kahn
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.09.13 17:52:00 -
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Thanks!
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Zyress
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Posted - 2010.09.13 21:31:00 -
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Originally by: Merdaneth For PvP
Frigs: 100dps Cruiser: 300dps Battlecruiser: 500dps Battleship: 800dps
I suppose those are good ballpark figures but its a little more complicated than that, some weapon systems have great alpha but crap DPS. You can get like 180 dps out of a rocket Kestrel on eft but you can't put that dps on any in game target that isn't sitting still. With Light Missiles you can easily get over 700 hp alphas but your DPS is sub 80
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omgfreemoniez
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Posted - 2010.09.13 21:50:00 -
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Edited by: omgfreemoniez on 13/09/2010 21:50:15
Originally by: Merdaneth For PvP
Frigs: 100dps Cruiser: 300dps Battlecruiser: 500dps Battleship: 800dps
Those are pretty low estimates. I'd say it's more like:
Frigs: 200 dps Cruiser: 600 dps Battlecruiser: 900 dps Battleship: 1500 dps
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Merdaneth
Amarr Sovereign Hospitaller Order of Saint Katherine
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Posted - 2010.09.13 22:30:00 -
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The question was to give ballpark figures for respectable dps for general ship categories. That is what I answered.
100dps for a frig it neither best, optimal, peak, all level V with implants, specialized or whatever. It is a ballpark figure which when you reach it will be considerd by most FCs who don't know anything else to be respectable.
If you are a newer player, and you fit up your T1 Omen in EFT and it shows 150dps or less (typical for a newer player in a T1 Omen), you know you aren't bringing 'respectable dps'. 300dps on a Drake Battlecruiser is not considered respectable dps by most people for its class. If you have 300 dps on a Battlecruiser, expect other people to judge your damage as lowish.
1500 dps for a Battleship is also not respectable, it is extreme, requiring full-on-gank fits, specific ships, level V skills and whatnot. 800 dps is respectable. 400 dps is low for a Battleship (but again, typical of a low-skill point player). ____
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Portmanteau
CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2010.09.13 22:55:00 -
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Originally by: Gecko O'Bac
Originally by: Merdaneth For PvP
Frigs: 100dps Cruiser: 300dps Battlecruiser: 500dps Battleship: 800dps
These numbers are misleading at the very best.
Frig dps is around that number typically, but that's only on fighting ships. Beside the taranis, most ceptors don't really bother with dps.
*ahem, sader, claw
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Gecko O'Bac
H A V O C Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.09.13 23:16:00 -
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Originally by: Portmanteau
Originally by: Gecko O'Bac
Originally by: Merdaneth For PvP
Frigs: 100dps Cruiser: 300dps Battlecruiser: 500dps Battleship: 800dps
These numbers are misleading at the very best.
Frig dps is around that number typically, but that's only on fighting ships. Beside the taranis, most ceptors don't really bother with dps.
*ahem, sader, claw
True but honestly I've seen many combat ranises but not nearly one tenth that number of saders or claws. Also the frig number should be 200 dps in truth, or a little under that.
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Bomberlocks
Minmatar CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2010.09.13 23:39:00 -
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Originally by: Merdaneth For PvP
Frigs: 100dps Cruiser: 300dps Battlecruiser: 500dps Battleship: 800dps
Merdaneth, outside of IGS you're a whole other person! Nice answer. I think the figures are pretty good for a beginning level character (or even not so beginning depending on your fit and what you specialised at).
I don't fly Amarr but getting close to 200 dps out of rifter would be pretty damn extreme (two Gyros, rigs, all Vs, implants), and the same goes for a Punisher. Not only that but it takes a while to get your actual in game DPS figures near to those perfect scores. Don't worry about it.
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Roosterton
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Posted - 2010.09.14 03:29:00 -
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Originally by: omgfreemoniez Edited by: omgfreemoniez on 13/09/2010 21:50:15
Originally by: Merdaneth For PvP
Frigs: 100dps Cruiser: 300dps Battlecruiser: 500dps Battleship: 800dps
Those are pretty low estimates. I'd say it's more like:
Frigs: 200 dps Cruiser: 600 dps Battlecruiser: 900 dps Battleship: 1500 dps
Using faction fits, maybe. Here, let me break it down a bit further.
Rookie ship: 1 DPS. T1 Combat Frigate: 100 DPS. Assault Ship: 250 DPS. Electronic attack ship: Doesn't really matter. Combat interceptor: 200-250 DPS. Tackling interceptor: Doesn't really matter. Covert Ops: Doesn't really matter. Stealth Bomber: 350-450 DPS.
T1 Destroyer: 300 DPS. Interdictor: A bit more.
T1 EWAR cruiser: 200-300 DPS. T1 Combat cruiser: 300-400 DPS. HAC: 500-600 DPS. Combat Recon ship: 300-400 DPS. Force Recon ship: 200-300 DPS.
T1 Battlecruiser: 500-600 DPS. Fleet Command Ship: Doesn't really matter, as long as you have a tank. (A few exceptions) Field Command Ship: 700-900 DPS.
T1 Combat Battleship: 900-1000 DPS. Marauder: 900-1300 Black Ops: Doesn't usually matter, but lower than a T1 combat battleship. Faction Battleship: Anywhere from 800-1500.
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Portmanteau
CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2010.09.14 05:12:00 -
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Originally by: Roosterton
Rookie ship: 1 DPS. T1 Combat Frigate: 100 DPS. Assault Ship: 250 DPS. Electronic attack ship: Doesn't really matter. Combat interceptor: 200-250 DPS. Tackling interceptor: Doesn't really matter. Covert Ops: Doesn't really matter. Stealth Bomber: 350-450 DPS.
T1 Destroyer: 300 DPS. Interdictor: A bit more.
T1 EWAR cruiser: 200-300 DPS. T1 Combat cruiser: 300-400 DPS. HAC: 500-600 DPS. Combat Recon ship: 300-400 DPS. Force Recon ship: 200-300 DPS.
T1 Battlecruiser: 500-600 DPS. Fleet Command Ship: Doesn't really matter, as long as you have a tank. (A few exceptions) Field Command Ship: 700-900 DPS.
T1 Combat Battleship: 900-1000 DPS. Marauder: 900-1300 Black Ops: Doesn't usually matter, but lower than a T1 combat battleship. Faction Battleship: Anywhere from 800-1500.
Covert Ops: about 100 just thought i'd correct that
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Lexx Jonlan
Gallente Shadows Of The Federation
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Posted - 2010.09.14 09:37:00 -
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And that's why EFT DPS numbers mean so little without context. It's easy to boost DPS figures by making a ridiculous but unusable fit, so what you need to do is find a useful fit FOR THE JOB YOU HAD IN MIND. Then, and only then, compare some DPS figures with similar fits to find out what a 'reasonable' DPS level should be.
Like most things in Eve, the answer to most questions should nearly always start with "It depends..."
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Dotard
Minmatar The Tuskers
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Posted - 2010.09.14 11:54:00 -
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Long range usually means less damage. Some ships want to shoot in optimal (e.g. your amarr ships), others in falloff. Then it also depends on what you are fighting, since you do not use the same range against everything. If you fit a Vagabond in EFT for example the DPS shown is missleading, since you will probably be half into your falloff in most fights. Also EFT and similar tools do not calculate tracking difficulties you might be having, or trailing drones that can't apply their DPS or the actual DPS after resists. Some of this has been said and the correct answer is, that there is none. Even if you want the theoretical stats with T2 fitting and all skills 5, you will see that the damage greatly differs depending on race, weapon type, what specific ship you are using and for what role it is fitted. Just look at the 100 different types of Dominix or Typhoon fittings and you will see what I mean.
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Malaus Kahn
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.09.14 13:16:00 -
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Many great answers, thanks!
When I use EFT I always use the character I made in there that mirrors my online toon, so the numbers match up. At first I had some builds that were all V skills and rare parts, but I quickly realized that I should be more realistic - I never plan on playing a game for "years" although Eve is fun lol.
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Portmanteau
CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2010.09.14 13:46:00 -
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Originally by: Malaus Kahn Many great answers, thanks!
When I use EFT I always use the character I made in there that mirrors my online toon, so the numbers match up. At first I had some builds that were all V skills and rare parts, but I quickly realized that I should be more realistic - I never plan on playing a game for "years" although Eve is fun lol.
A quick rule of thumb (and by no means definitive) is that if you aren't getting the bare essential DPS that roosterton listed, you may wish to switch to a ship where you have better skills and continue training the hull in which it is lacking before you pew pew with it. Better to fly a properly trained frig or cruiser than a deficient BS. It makes sense to invest more time getting fewer hulls up to par than barely being able to fly a lot of hulls at an early stage
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lwxsky oli
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Posted - 2010.09.15 20:49:00 -
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Originally by: Malaus Kahn Many great answers, thanks!
When I use EFT I always use the character I made in there that mirrors my online toon, so the numbers match up.
Just want to make sure you know that in EFT you can download your character skills automatically through API key.
Then you can see how much you can get from your skill precisely. There is no need to make a character.
This may save you some time.
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