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Drutort
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Posted - 2004.12.30 01:39:00 -
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Edited by: Drutort on 30/12/2004 04:09:32
I would like to know thisą since when are minmatar last in speed? Regardless of the ships? So it has a 1 extra med slotą but did you notice its dmg and hp are weak? And other interceptors with more dmg and hp have same base speed or more and not to mention most have 3 meds and 3 lowsą
How are things like this over looked? Sure the claw is the fastest but it has only 2 medsą and its hp is kind of weak vs other interceptors.
My stiletto needs 1 OD to match some of the speeds of other interceptorsą and by that time I could be deadą while others have more lows and can easily evade stiletto if they use WCS in lowsą and still have about same speed if not more. So what do you end up with? other interceptors just out classing stiletto in all areas but EW of course because of the 1 extra med slot oh \o/
Also im not sure about the mass of other ships but I think its not too bad on some shipsą
Only way to beat someone else would be to have acceleration at lvl5 or so with a stilettoą and that might not be enough, if others use there low slots to shove ODĘs in.
claw 1125000 kg 475 m/s crusader 1050000 kg 455 m/s ares 1100000 kg 450 m/s malediction 1000000 kg 435 m/s stiletto 1100000 kg 435 m/s crow 1000000 kg 425 m/s taranis 1075000 kg 420 m/s raptor 1075000 kg 415 m/s
look at these numbers well... esp with the ab/mwd changes...
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Drutort
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Posted - 2004.12.30 01:39:00 -
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Edited by: Drutort on 30/12/2004 04:09:32
I would like to know thisą since when are minmatar last in speed? Regardless of the ships? So it has a 1 extra med slotą but did you notice its dmg and hp are weak? And other interceptors with more dmg and hp have same base speed or more and not to mention most have 3 meds and 3 lowsą
How are things like this over looked? Sure the claw is the fastest but it has only 2 medsą and its hp is kind of weak vs other interceptors.
My stiletto needs 1 OD to match some of the speeds of other interceptorsą and by that time I could be deadą while others have more lows and can easily evade stiletto if they use WCS in lowsą and still have about same speed if not more. So what do you end up with? other interceptors just out classing stiletto in all areas but EW of course because of the 1 extra med slot oh \o/
Also im not sure about the mass of other ships but I think its not too bad on some shipsą
Only way to beat someone else would be to have acceleration at lvl5 or so with a stilettoą and that might not be enough, if others use there low slots to shove ODĘs in.
claw 1125000 kg 475 m/s crusader 1050000 kg 455 m/s ares 1100000 kg 450 m/s malediction 1000000 kg 435 m/s stiletto 1100000 kg 435 m/s crow 1000000 kg 425 m/s taranis 1075000 kg 420 m/s raptor 1075000 kg 415 m/s
look at these numbers well... esp with the ab/mwd changes...
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Drutort
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Posted - 2004.12.30 01:43:00 -
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Edited by: Drutort on 30/12/2004 01:44:43 im really confused which race is supposed to have the speed bonuses? huh? doesnĘt look like minmatar in this case
Also funny that the caldari interceptors donĘt have the 4th med slotą but minmatar does O_o
GG ccp... ship that sucks with proj and cant even catch the heavier dmg dealing interceptors... kind of weak if you ask me... especially with these new MWD and AB changes...
we cant put mwd and ab at same time... so and other interceptors would end up being faster anyway... if same rules applied to all.
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Posted - 2004.12.30 01:43:00 -
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Edited by: Drutort on 30/12/2004 01:44:43 im really confused which race is supposed to have the speed bonuses? huh? doesnĘt look like minmatar in this case
Also funny that the caldari interceptors donĘt have the 4th med slotą but minmatar does O_o
GG ccp... ship that sucks with proj and cant even catch the heavier dmg dealing interceptors... kind of weak if you ask me... especially with these new MWD and AB changes...
we cant put mwd and ab at same time... so and other interceptors would end up being faster anyway... if same rules applied to all.
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2004.12.30 02:20:00 -
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I would think they have the overall fastest, not every class faster. They'd be sensible enough to try and compensate for some weaknesses with other qualities in the different classes.
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2004.12.30 02:20:00 -
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I would think they have the overall fastest, not every class faster. They'd be sensible enough to try and compensate for some weaknesses with other qualities in the different classes.
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Ray McCormack
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Posted - 2004.12.30 03:06:00 -
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Stiletto It ain't that bad considering. It's a pure 'interceptor', nothing more. Although it does have the ability to destroy, especially with the loving Projectiles are due...
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Ray McCormack
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Posted - 2004.12.30 03:06:00 -
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Stiletto It ain't that bad considering. It's a pure 'interceptor', nothing more. Although it does have the ability to destroy, especially with the loving Projectiles are due...
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Chade Malloy
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Posted - 2004.12.30 03:11:00 -
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What about accelleration and maneuverability? I haven¦t tried out the stiletto or claw yet, but in general minmatar ships behave better than the other races while running under full speed, for example in close range with high speed orbiting.
Its fine by me ;)
Not to mention that the stiletto/claw is usually cheaper than for example the taranis
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Chade Malloy
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Posted - 2004.12.30 03:11:00 -
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What about accelleration and maneuverability? I haven¦t tried out the stiletto or claw yet, but in general minmatar ships behave better than the other races while running under full speed, for example in close range with high speed orbiting.
Its fine by me ;)
Not to mention that the stiletto/claw is usually cheaper than for example the taranis
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Specops
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Posted - 2004.12.30 03:15:00 -
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You also notice the fastest frig in the game ain't Minmatar? Its Amarr. The Executioner.
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Specops
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Posted - 2004.12.30 03:15:00 -
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You also notice the fastest frig in the game ain't Minmatar? Its Amarr. The Executioner.
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Drutort
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Posted - 2004.12.30 03:21:00 -
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Edited by: Drutort on 30/12/2004 03:37:01 im not sure but with the mass changes minmatar are not that much better? i dont get it though why other ships are faster... as said above they are out classed.
so look claw is fastest base wise in speed but it has the most mass even more then caldari...
ccp needs to fix this... too bad they didnt look at all the ships and fix this... its sad, its sad that race that has its guns all screwed up and comes in 2nd in armor/shield tanking and was supposed to have speed as an advantage has lost even that... not to mention what place projectiles come in vs other weapons.
its very sad indeed
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Drutort
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Posted - 2004.12.30 03:21:00 -
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Edited by: Drutort on 30/12/2004 03:37:01 im not sure but with the mass changes minmatar are not that much better? i dont get it though why other ships are faster... as said above they are out classed.
so look claw is fastest base wise in speed but it has the most mass even more then caldari...
ccp needs to fix this... too bad they didnt look at all the ships and fix this... its sad, its sad that race that has its guns all screwed up and comes in 2nd in armor/shield tanking and was supposed to have speed as an advantage has lost even that... not to mention what place projectiles come in vs other weapons.
its very sad indeed
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Drutort
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Posted - 2004.12.30 03:53:00 -
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Edited by: Drutort on 30/12/2004 03:54:32
Originally by: Specops You also notice the fastest frig in the game ain't Minmatar? Its Amarr. The Executioner.
no minmatar frigs are faster and only because of the 5% per lvl to velocity... without that they would probably be down in the bottom as some of them have more mass then other races... for some strange reason... when they look like they will fall apart any moment.. i cant see how they would have more mass then other races
but looks like the devs went off of that base for the interceptors... but forgot that minmatar interceptors donĘt get that 5% to velocity bonus.... hence other ships are faster esp with how things work with mass with ab/mwd
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Drutort
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Posted - 2004.12.30 03:53:00 -
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Edited by: Drutort on 30/12/2004 03:54:32
Originally by: Specops You also notice the fastest frig in the game ain't Minmatar? Its Amarr. The Executioner.
no minmatar frigs are faster and only because of the 5% per lvl to velocity... without that they would probably be down in the bottom as some of them have more mass then other races... for some strange reason... when they look like they will fall apart any moment.. i cant see how they would have more mass then other races
but looks like the devs went off of that base for the interceptors... but forgot that minmatar interceptors donĘt get that 5% to velocity bonus.... hence other ships are faster esp with how things work with mass with ab/mwd
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Kashre
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Posted - 2004.12.30 04:56:00 -
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Originally by: Specops You also notice the fastest frig in the game ain't Minmatar? Its Amarr. The Executioner.
There is an RP reason for that:
Quote: The Executioner is another newly commissioned ship of the Amarr Imperial Navy. The Executioner was designed specially to counter the small, fast raider frigates of the Minmatar Republic; thus it is different from most Amarr ships in favoring speed over defenses. With the Executioner, the Amarrians have expanded their tactical capabilities on the battlefield.
As for the stiletto, I dont mind it being a bit slower than most interceptors... its not, imo intended to fight other interceptors, or even frigates... its meant to tackle bigger ships, or maybe give EW support from long range or something.
Maledictions can give a claw a run for its money, but not much else is as fast as a properly setup claw. +++
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Kashre
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Posted - 2004.12.30 04:56:00 -
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Originally by: Specops You also notice the fastest frig in the game ain't Minmatar? Its Amarr. The Executioner.
There is an RP reason for that:
Quote: The Executioner is another newly commissioned ship of the Amarr Imperial Navy. The Executioner was designed specially to counter the small, fast raider frigates of the Minmatar Republic; thus it is different from most Amarr ships in favoring speed over defenses. With the Executioner, the Amarrians have expanded their tactical capabilities on the battlefield.
As for the stiletto, I dont mind it being a bit slower than most interceptors... its not, imo intended to fight other interceptors, or even frigates... its meant to tackle bigger ships, or maybe give EW support from long range or something.
Maledictions can give a claw a run for its money, but not much else is as fast as a properly setup claw. +++
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Fred Meyer
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Posted - 2004.12.30 19:31:00 -
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I've always been confused as to why the Minmattar have such high mass for how thier ships look. Compared to other ships, some look like they went very skimpy on structure, favoring "wireframes." You'd think that'd make the Minmattar ships very light. Oh well...
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Fred Meyer
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Posted - 2004.12.30 19:31:00 -
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I've always been confused as to why the Minmattar have such high mass for how thier ships look. Compared to other ships, some look like they went very skimpy on structure, favoring "wireframes." You'd think that'd make the Minmattar ships very light. Oh well...
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.12.30 19:34:00 -
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Surely slower ships are good for Minmatar's with their tracking problems..........
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.12.30 19:34:00 -
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Surely slower ships are good for Minmatar's with their tracking problems..........
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