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Akisawa
Caldari Path Of The Cursed
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Posted - 2010.09.14 17:45:00 -
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Originally by: Zhilia Mann
Originally by: Nova Sun Edit: right fitting advice to stay on topic cruisers+AB is good
In a thread full of so many kinds of fail, this is the nugget of good advice. Of course when you start adding your two omnis and AB the Gila does start to look a little undertanked, doesn't it?
I'm not saying, I'm just saying....
I see what you did there =)
--- Improving my day by ruining yours
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Rikki Sals
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.09.14 18:40:00 -
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For level 4s, an armor tanked Ishtar makes a way better drone boat IMO.
Much more flexibility to fit a sentry damage rig and even Omni Link if you're bold, and control range bonus is built in so you don't have to find a way to squeeze the Drone Link in on an already horrendously CPU capped ship. Haven't found a single lvl 4 from any faction that a variation of my armor Ishtar couldn't handle.
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Limdood
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Posted - 2010.09.14 18:46:00 -
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Originally by: Atrophy42
well imo they just feel it is crappy because they don't know what they are talking about =P
as for your comment on me not having any idea as to who preffer's what.. they have been telling me all morning in this post or are you blind to that fact?
As far as "not knowing what they are talking about," that distinction is currently falling to you. People are pointing out that you can do what you are trying to do with another ship that is FASTER, CHEAPER, and TOUGHER. Many fits "fail" because they aren't as high of dps as other fits, or they don't have as good of a tank, or they cost WAY too much (i COULD officer fit my rifter....but it just isn't worth the ISK). When your ship is flat out worse than the other ships posted, then it isn't a matter of preferring the Gila over a (lets say) drake....instead its a matter of preferring a ship that is WORSE at the job in all ways.
The way to fix your fit is to move the fit onto a different hull and add some dps.
PS. you can certainly be overtanked. A ship that tanks 1500 damage and does 150 will get a mission done in 2 hours, and will never be in danger of dying, ever. A ship that tanks 500 damage and deals 500 per second can do the same mission in 30 minutes....and guess what, it will never be in danger of dying.
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Altaica Amur
The Elliance
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Posted - 2010.09.14 21:39:00 -
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The Gila can be a nice little missioning boat for those with skills specifically geared towards gallente and caldari cruiser V and drones but that last bit is key, have drone skills or forget about the Gila until that changes. With t2 heavies and/or sentries you can get some very nice DPS while doing your afk or semi-afk missioning, likely better then a Dominix would end up in the short term due to the time to train BS V, but really you need those t2 drones.
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Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.09.14 21:40:00 -
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Originally by: Altaica Amur The Gila can be a nice little missioning boat for those with skills specifically geared towards gallente and caldari cruiser V and drones but that last bit is key, have drone skills or forget about the Gila until that changes. With t2 heavies and/or sentries you can get some very nice DPS while doing your afk or semi-afk missioning, likely better then a Dominix would end up in the short term due to the time to train BS V, but really you need those t2 drones.
If you have even half way reasonable gunnery skills, I'd expect a domi to do far better than the Gila/Ishtar.
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Irae Ragwan
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Posted - 2010.09.14 23:05:00 -
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The domi looks better than the gila.
Space Spud > Wtfisthatpolygonalass
Nuff said.
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Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
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Posted - 2010.09.15 01:17:00 -
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Originally by: Irae Ragwan The domi looks better than the gila.
Space Spud > Wtfisthatpolygonalass
Nuff said.
Sadly, you're right.
It's really too bad: the one thing the vast majority of drone ships have in common is that they can and will make your eyes bleed. It's just a matter of how much blood you're prepared to lose.
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Zeta Function
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Posted - 2010.09.15 02:06:00 -
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Originally by: Zhilia Mann
Originally by: Irae Ragwan The domi looks better than the gila.
Space Spud > Wtfisthatpolygonalass
Nuff said.
Sadly, you're right.
It's really too bad: the one thing the vast majority of drone ships have in common is that they can and will make your eyes bleed. It's just a matter of how much blood you're prepared to lose.
carriers aside... arbitrator is an awesome hull, esp as curse. rattlesnake looks quite awesome now with the new skin. myrmi is always a pleasant looking ship, and tbh... i find ishtar not that bad... :) all the rest can go the the spaceoven and be remodeled... ^.^ |
Irae Ragwan
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Posted - 2010.09.15 02:19:00 -
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Originally by: Zeta Function
Originally by: Zhilia Mann
Originally by: Irae Ragwan The domi looks better than the gila.
Space Spud > Wtfisthatpolygonalass
Nuff said.
Sadly, you're right.
It's really too bad: the one thing the vast majority of drone ships have in common is that they can and will make your eyes bleed. It's just a matter of how much blood you're prepared to lose.
carriers aside... arbitrator is an awesome hull, esp as curse. rattlesnake looks quite awesome now with the new skin. myrmi is always a pleasant looking ship, and tbh... i find ishtar not that bad... :) all the rest can go the the spaceoven and be remodeled... ^.^
That is nonsense. The space spud has much more character than these ships. The mere thought of calling the myrm pleasant (it's a fin...) is outright herracy.
PS. I'll give you the arby. Enterprise Amarr.
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.09.15 11:06:00 -
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Originally by: Atrophy42 Edited by: Atrophy42 on 14/09/2010 14:40:12 more tank than a drake and is fully capable of running 4's though it can not run them as fast but hey at least you can spend time with your enemy and get to know them as your shooting his friend's =P
edit: removed the pic n posted link linkage
Not sure how you came to the conclusion fully capable of running level 4's with 210 DPS, but I don't think that is enough to actually kill all of the ships. When you say "fanboi" try to picture a fat man doing burlesque with 2 big ass fans that say CCP on one and HTFU on the other. Because that dude is me. |
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Wacktopia
Bi-Tech Theory Focused Intentions
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Posted - 2010.09.15 11:53:00 -
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From experience I have found the Ishtar a much easier ship to PvE in (vs Serpentis/Guristas) than the Gila. You can cap-stable active tank it to nearly 1k DPS for Kin/Therm with a few of the cheaper faction mods. I also find it easier to fit a cloak and probe launcher (off-lined until required) for plexing.
Conversely, I prefer the Gila for PvP - it supports a reasonably slippery nano/shield setup with a bigger buffer than the Ishtar can support.
Also, you need to be getting well over 400 dps from your drones if you're serious about using this ship for PvE like that.
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FT Diomedes
Gallente The Fimbriani Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2010.09.15 12:57:00 -
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The Gila is a hard ship to fit, because shields and drones are very CPU hungry - and it is tight on CPU. Still, I have found this setup very effective for Level 4 missions. Can an armor-tanked or shield tanked Ishtar do it just as well for less - yes! But I still love my Gila. Rather than trying to sit in one place with sentry drones - the way I run my Dominixes or my Rattlesnake - I actually fly the ship:
[Gila, Gila] Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner Caldari Navy Large Shield Extender Caldari Navy Large Shield Extender Dread Guristas Heat Dissipation Field Dread Guristas Ballistic Deflection Field Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Small Tractor Beam I Salvager I
Medium Core Defence Field Purger II Medium Core Defence Field Purger II Medium Core Defence Field Purger II
Ogre II x5 Hammerhead II x5 Hobgoblin II x5 Warrior II x5 Valkyrie II x5 Berserker II x5
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2010.09.15 13:38:00 -
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I could never eft a gila that I liked, kinda disappointing because I have one from ages ago that I should have sold when they spiked up to 300m
I like afterburner + passive shield tank + sentries, aka sit around speed tanking and go afk (ishtar does a great job at this one sda II one cdfp II) to make it cap stable you have to fit too many pdu and not enough spr for an awesome tank
but it should work I'd just rather use something else.
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Atrophy42
Caldari Science And Combat Institute
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Posted - 2010.09.15 14:40:00 -
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Originally by: Cipher Jones
Originally by: Atrophy42 Edited by: Atrophy42 on 14/09/2010 14:40:12 more tank than a drake and is fully capable of running 4's though it can not run them as fast but hey at least you can spend time with your enemy and get to know them as your shooting his friend's =P
edit: removed the pic n posted link linkage
Not sure how you came to the conclusion fully capable of running level 4's with 210 DPS, but I don't think that is enough to actually kill all of the ships.
the only to be sure was to run several L4's in it and it passed with flyin color's.. i ****ed up in one and aqquired full room aggression and i never had to warp out Oo
if you like you can come on a few with me just to watch :)
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Atrophy42
Caldari Science And Combat Institute
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Posted - 2010.09.15 14:58:00 -
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Originally by: Akisawa Edited by: Akisawa on 14/09/2010 14:35:40 Edited by: Akisawa on 14/09/2010 14:33:19 - would you please fix your image, it hurts the eyes - Gila is ways too overpriced for what it does, or was supposed to do - if you want to passive tank so badly - get into Drake and tank away - if you want to use proper mission drone boat - get Rattlesnake - what you have accomplished here in that fitting, is crap ship, doing crap dps, while tanking some damage. this is not offense to you, this is Gila's issue.
why the fit fails? - if you see there are empty slots in your fits, it is a good indicator the fit fails - crap damage with no boost to your drones. the only purpose of this fit seems to be tanking, and spending hours in missions where your drones cant hit anything - for what its worth, get drone link augmentor in high slot.. but oh wait, Gila have too crap CPU to allow that - If you plan to use sentry drones, you must fit somewhat 2 x drone tracking links, and at least 1 sentry drone rig for damage - If you plan to use heavy drones, you must fit .. drone tracking link + drone speed link
ahh crap ok err
emtpy slots eh your prolly right but she works for what i do
lets see you see any heavy drone's on this fit? me either no need for a drone speed link
a drone link augmentor i can control my drones out to 60km with my skill's the gila targets at 57km with my skills enough said so no need for one
umm.. spending hours in a mission where my drone's can't hit nuffin... wrong mabey in guristas extravaganza it is a long mission... and my drones hit and they hit hard
the drone tracking link for my sentry's err.. my sentry's done have any problem's tracking from what i see (i don't afk tank so err i have eyes on them at all time's <--- drones can get expensive lol)
yar that's all i got Oo
umm... last time i went afk my dumb ass used precisions and medium drones to drop a BS Oo yus that did take longer than expected lol i figured that out roughly 13 volleys into that one but he was in low armor so i didn't bother changing to sentry's/fury's
ok that's all i has on that matter lol
i personally do not feel the gila suck's as much as everyone say's it does, i love the gila missiles/shields/drones <-- too epic to pass up :) non of that gallente armor tanking bullcrap (yus death to the frog federation hehe )
anyways i am starting to like this topic even though it did not turn out the way i had orginally intended but meh o7
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.09.15 18:38:00 -
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Originally by: Atrophy42
Originally by: Cipher Jones
Originally by: Atrophy42 Edited by: Atrophy42 on 14/09/2010 14:40:12 more tank than a drake and is fully capable of running 4's though it can not run them as fast but hey at least you can spend time with your enemy and get to know them as your shooting his friend's =P
edit: removed the pic n posted link linkage
Not sure how you came to the conclusion fully capable of running level 4's with 210 DPS, but I don't think that is enough to actually kill all of the ships.
the only to be sure was to run several L4's in it and it passed with flyin color's.. i ****ed up in one and aqquired full room aggression and i never had to warp out Oo
if you like you can come on a few with me just to watch :)
I believe you but what are the times on what missions? Have you run any missions with tough bosses like vengeance? More power to you for doing it, I am just asking if it is capable of running them all.
I use a cynabal for 4's sometimes and it has less tank but more DPS and it is a PITA. I was looking for a small ship to do sansha's with so I could park it in my Orca while I mine the mission afterwards.. I wanted armor tanking against the EM damage they spit out but a gila would be able to shield tank sansha OK. So when I ask realize I am asking out of curiosity, not trolling. Thanks. When you say "fanboi" try to picture a fat man doing burlesque with 2 big ass fans that say CCP on one and HTFU on the other. Because that dude is me. |
Atrophy42
Caldari Science And Combat Institute
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Posted - 2010.09.16 00:52:00 -
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ahh well... to be honest i never timed myself and she can run almost as fast as my drake.. err lets see vengeance is with rachen mysuna right? that is a tuff nut to crack she can get it done as for sansha's i have learned sansha's can't aim worth a **** i stay 50 km out and stay moving personally i orbit my target at 50 and lets loose missile's and drone's and my tank rarely drop's below 74% vs. sansha's.. as for all level 4 mission's i haven't done them all but from what i see yea she is perfectly capable or doing so... worlds collide can be a bit of a douche with all the webifier's but once you down those your set
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triafrenum
The Knights Templar R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.09.16 04:19:00 -
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Originally by: Atrophy42 ahh well... to be honest i never timed myself and she can run almost as fast as my drake.. err lets see vengeance is with rachen mysuna right? that is a tuff nut to crack she can get it done as for sansha's i have learned sansha's can't aim worth a **** i stay 50 km out and stay moving personally i orbit my target at 50 and lets loose missile's and drone's and my tank rarely drop's below 74% vs. sansha's.. as for all level 4 mission's i haven't done them all but from what i see yea she is perfectly capable or doing so... worlds collide can be a bit of a douche with all the webifier's but once you down those your set
So you can run missions slower then an already painfully slow going ship but you tank them really really well. If you want a ship that does terrible dps but has an even bigger tank go for a vulture. You could probly get the shields to never drop below 90% and the missions will take even longer then with your gila.
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Atrophy42
Caldari Science And Combat Institute
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Posted - 2010.09.16 12:24:00 -
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Originally by: triafrenum
Originally by: Atrophy42 ahh well... to be honest i never timed myself and she can run almost as fast as my drake.. err lets see vengeance is with rachen mysuna right? that is a tuff nut to crack she can get it done as for sansha's i have learned sansha's can't aim worth a **** i stay 50 km out and stay moving personally i orbit my target at 50 and lets loose missile's and drone's and my tank rarely drop's below 74% vs. sansha's.. as for all level 4 mission's i haven't done them all but from what i see yea she is perfectly capable or doing so... worlds collide can be a bit of a douche with all the webifier's but once you down those your set
So you can run missions slower then an already painfully slow going ship but you tank them really really well. If you want a ship that does terrible dps but has an even bigger tank go for a vulture. You could probly get the shields to never drop below 90% and the missions will take even longer then with your gila.
drake runs faster than a raven contrairy to popular belief =P
fail troll more please :)
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Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
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Posted - 2010.09.16 12:28:00 -
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Edited by: Zhilia Mann on 16/09/2010 12:30:47
Originally by: Atrophy42 lets see you see any heavy drone's on this fit? me either no need for a drone speed link
Granted -- but see below.
Originally by: Atrophy42 a drone link augmentor i can control my drones out to 60km with my skill's the gila targets at 57km with my skills enough said so no need for one
That's actually more of a commentary of wanting a SeBo than not wanting a DLA -- especially on a sentry fit.
Originally by: Atrophy42 the drone tracking link for my sentry's err.. my sentry's have no problem's tracking from what i see (i don't afk tank so err i have eyes on them at all time's <--- drones can get expensive lol)
Remember: omnis affect two things: optimal and tracking. This effectively makes them damage mods for sentry drones as it increases hit quality, especially at lower ranges but throughout the engagement window, while simultaneously increasing the size of said engagement window. So your Garde IIs can do silly things like obliterate cruisers from 5k to 50k or more. And that's without even touching any other drone types. This is a good thing.
tl;dr: just fit omnis. Two if you must, three if you can, and at least one is absolutely required or it's not really a decent sentry fit.
But of course you don't have to use sentries (though you are probably better off doing so). But in that case you're using heavies, and they will more or less require a speed augmentor or two -- because that's the only way to get more damage out of them (more time shooting, less time chasing and all that jazz).
Either way, you're eating up mid slots and CPU. Both of which are at a premium on the Gila in degrees not present on the Ishtar, Dominix, and Rattlesnake. Which is why the Gila is a niche ship that sucks for most purposes and all PvE purposes. And there's really no arguing otherwise.
Originally by: Atrophy42 i personally do not feel the gila suck's as much as everyone say's it does, i love the gila missiles/shields/drones <-- too epic to pass up :) non of that gallente armor tanking bullcrap (yus death to the frog federation hehe )
I've said it before: I really want to like the Gila. I'm within spitting distance of absolutely maxed skills for the Gila. But I just can't justify using the Gila (for PvE) over any of its direct competitors.
Edit: I've been a copy editor for years. You'd think I could actually use effect and affect properly. Sigh.
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triafrenum
The Knights Templar R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.09.16 14:30:00 -
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Originally by: Atrophy42
Originally by: triafrenum
Originally by: Atrophy42 ahh well... to be honest i never timed myself and she can run almost as fast as my drake.. err lets see vengeance is with rachen mysuna right? that is a tuff nut to crack she can get it done as for sansha's i have learned sansha's can't aim worth a **** i stay 50 km out and stay moving personally i orbit my target at 50 and lets loose missile's and drone's and my tank rarely drop's below 74% vs. sansha's.. as for all level 4 mission's i haven't done them all but from what i see yea she is perfectly capable or doing so... worlds collide can be a bit of a douche with all the webifier's but once you down those your set
So you can run missions slower then an already painfully slow going ship but you tank them really really well. If you want a ship that does terrible dps but has an even bigger tank go for a vulture. You could probly get the shields to never drop below 90% and the missions will take even longer then with your gila.
drake runs faster than a raven contrairy to popular belief =P
fail troll more please :)
I have come to the conclusion that you in fact are a very clever troll or a complete idiot. I would really like to hear how a drake runs missions faster then a raven.
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